I purposefully do these sorts of move as bait for scum to try to latch onto it and expose a bad case. You wanna keep going down this path?
I turned myself into LHF as a way to better expose those who have disingenuous cases on me. You went : "oh this ACTION has to be scum so now everything you did is now scum motivated".
You built your case by only saying how i would do a certain thing if i were to be scum.
You haven't even tried to ask me to explain anything or to question me to get answers that would lead to alignment indicative answers. Instead you went ahead and claimed an assumption based on a NAI action.
I can make more specific rebuttals later when I'm not phone posting but you do have explaining to do flopz wrt your reads
with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2020-09-21 12:45:00).
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
Should have said before but got caught up in life, I'll be V/LA for the next couple of days
noted. -D
“[Jellyfish] are 97% water or something, so how much are they doing? Just give them another 3% and make them water. It's more useful.” ~ Mr. K. Dilkington.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
the only plausible reason they have here to make a post like that would be if they were quoting a post and intending to post it in scumchat but ended up messing it up.
unless you have a better explaination why they referred to you when you weren't part of the conversation?
In post 341, Donempire wrote:Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?
You don't think it would be beneficial to have associative tells lined up for tomorrow?
I not suggesting a zero sum deal. If we lynch alisae today, we lose a loose end tomorrow, as she will always have the doubt of lolhammer hanging over her head. If shes town, thats obviously detrimental. If shes scum, there will be devils advocates and really no way to be sure either.
In post 383, Donempire wrote:I'm literally the first vote alisae, im the most sus person on that wagon? For an rvs vote and a hammer that then happens while im asleep? Defend your hammer, dont try to paint me as scum instead, it only makes you seem worse. So far the only reasoning you gave was "it was an accident", and if so dont you check VCs?
You seem the most sus person on that wagon because you enabled that wagon to reach 5 votes when you could have easily made sure that that didn’t happen by unvoting.
And how am I not supposed to see your slot and think that what you’re doing is strange? Not only did you enable that wagon to reach 5 votes, but you’re also coming into the day phase trying to label me as a liability and saying why its better to mislynch then it is to lynch scum. Like this is really strange because it feels like you’re not trying to find scum. Do you have any other suspects or am I your only suspect?
I voted Icon because I scumread him and he was acting weird in regards to Windows and I liked Windows the most between their discussion with Icon. Thats why I voted Icon and I didn’t realize I hammered until I woke up and saw that I hammered. I’m sorry. I fucked up.
In post 341, Donempire wrote:Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?
You don't think it would be beneficial to have associative tells lined up for tomorrow?
I not suggesting a zero sum deal. If we lynch alisae today, we lose a loose end tomorrow, as she will always have the doubt of lolhammer hanging over her head. If shes town, thats obviously detrimental. If shes scum, there will be devils advocates and really no way to be sure either.
dude it was an accident wtf?
Okay? And that means you cant have some motivation behind lolhammering somehow?
I dont see how we reach upon a conclusion on you. You either carry this lolhammerer mark into d3 or you die today and at least we can associate. I already explained my reasoning in the post you quoted.
Or you can realize that it was an accident, and any alignment can place that vote at that time and think they would not hammer Icon, and move on.
Except that allows scum!you to get away easily with mishammering a town. Why do you want me to risk that over explaining yourself and clearing your name?
because
A. I’ve been trying to find scum all game
B. If you flip me today and I flip town, you bring the game into F5 which is more favorable for scum because no one has that much info to go off of considering how quickly D1 ended. You need to spend this day trying to find scum and get more information to work off of. If you don’t do that and lynch me because you think I’m a liability, then it doesn’t matter if you lynch scum tomorrow, how are you going to do that in F5 when its significantly harder to due to the lack of information.
In post 383, Donempire wrote:I'm literally the first vote alisae, im the most sus person on that wagon? For an rvs vote and a hammer that then happens while im asleep? Defend your hammer, dont try to paint me as scum instead, it only makes you seem worse. So far the only reasoning you gave was "it was an accident", and if so dont you check VCs?
I didn’t check VCs because there weren’t any VCs at the time
Checked, and you're right. Last vc was 4 pages ago. I still dont see why you dont check previous vcs before voting someone.
Because in my mind I thought only Windows and Ydrasse were voting them and that I was applying pressure onto Icon. Its the same reason why those types of hammers happen in the first place.
In post 394, Donempire wrote:This no consequence game is why im pretty fond of pushing this wagon, as we seemingly cant lose with this.
The thing is you CAN lose with this.
You get rid of a slot that is pretty obvtown and make F5 harder for yourself due to the lack of information from other slots.
In post 400, Donempire wrote:I think your slot will never be completely townread or scumread because of the hammer. I dont know your gameplay, you may be a better player than me. Your slot however is tainted, and im worried scum!you will get away with doing this, like i said, because of devils advocates, and town!yous reads will be taken with a grain of salt always. Since its inherently an unreadable action and with no other targets, i thought it was a good compromise to let you go today so we could focus on other people without fear.
If you’re scum then you’ll probably continue to push this because its actually very easy to do so and you’ll mislynch and create a F5 where you’ll probably win. This worries me a lot because by the time F5 is created, its favored for scum since D1 was cut short and D2 was spent flipping the hammerer who was innocent all along.
If you’re town I need to convince you why you need to make an effort to scumhunt instead of voting me due to the fact you think I’m a liability. I get you may think that my slot is unreadable because of that hammer, and I think if you are town you’re approaching it from the wrong angle. If you think an action is unreadable, you should not read into it or read into it once you have more evidence/information.
Right now, what we need is more information and more investigation.
Do you have any other suspects?
Also what do you think of the hopkirk kill?
In post 394, Donempire wrote:This no consequence game is why im pretty fond of pushing this wagon, as we seemingly cant lose with this.
The thing is you CAN lose with this.
You get rid of a slot that is pretty obvtown and make F5 harder for yourself due to the lack of information from other slots.
You're obvtown?
Again, im not trying to lynch you instantly. Why do you think pressure on you would prevent discourse? I think thats the most valuable avenue right now, honestly. As we play, we'll have information.
prior to the lolhammer I would see myself as obvtown, ya. Why wouldn’t I?
In post 411, Donempire wrote:I dont try pushing on an experienced town player for a lolhammer as scum. I'll let them live so they can arouse suspicion on d3. Thats what im trying to avoid, and while it is easy to push you, with only a single argument i dont see why i'd want to spearhead a town!you lynch.
In post 411, Donempire wrote:I'll scumhunt, thank you. I think you think all im doing is isoing you and everyone else is muted, they arent.
I mean its pretty easy to reach this conclusion when you start the day pushing me as a liability and suggest that mislynching is +EV. Why would I not tell you to back off if thats what I think you're doing?
(Also I just don't react well to being voted/suspected in general but thats a me thing as both alignments and there's no way for you to know that)
In post 413, Donempire wrote:After this, i am suspicious of windows. His posts and the way he reached a conclusion on ico stinks. We can talk about that if you have any ideas about it.
why do you think it sucks
also these interactions are hilarious in retrospect
