Open 792: Masons and Monks GAME OVER

[SirCakez]

VOTE: notscience
he's lying

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Hayasaka
meta

Interesting.
Very interesting tbh.

VOTE: hayasaka
Newb scum response to being voted

[SirCakez]

This is a wack player list


I kinda dig it

[SirCakez]

Newb scum response to being voted

Did you assume newb based on join date, or look up player history?

Join date

[SirCakez]

hayasaka is an alt?

[SirCakez]

They're scum

[SirCakez]

Dram how about we lynch Dave together.
Then I bus my partner for full town cred and proceed to be shot by the other team.

Why lynch 2 scum when you can get a 3rd one for free.
You have to think big.

This post is scummy regardless of the "new scum" tell no longer being accurate since this is apparently an alt

[SirCakez]

Kinda like Dave here actually

[SirCakez]

I mean... Isn't that the exact shit you're accusing dave of? Posting noncommittal shit that can just be handwaved away?

Because my post was intended to be a shit post. Dave's wasn't.

I think that's clearly different?

None of your posts look like shit posts to me

[SirCakez]

A50 looking like haya's buddy here

[SirCakez]

a50 would normally be a townread for his shitposting but with this being multiball im leaning slight scum mhmmmmmm no questions

I got this same vibe

[SirCakez]

A50 looking like haya's buddy here

Ohm damn! You got us. Sorry, Haya. I tried.

Scum response

[SirCakez]

A50 looking like haya's buddy here

Ohm damn! You got us. Sorry, Haya. I tried.

Scum response

Wrong

Do tell

I actually think I like this more now A50's responses make me feel so icky
VOTE: A50

Also I'm traveling/moving in next few days so I'll be around erratically

[SirCakez]

I actually think I like this more now A50's responses make me feel so icky
VOTE: A50

There was a time when I would have thought "Scum!SC wouldn't be pushing me so blatantly on D1". Those days are gone now. No more the fool.

What does this even mean

[SirCakez]

This game is more slow than I expected

[SirCakez]

I can't vote all the scums

[SirCakez]

not science wagon is pretty terrible and probably scum led

[SirCakez]

I wouldn't call two people a wagon

Iirc there were more people but some moved

I actually think I like this more now A50's responses make me feel so icky
VOTE: A50

There was a time when I would have thought "Scum!SC wouldn't be pushing me so blatantly on D1". Those days are gone now. No more the fool.

What does this even mean

It means than sometime ago I would have TR'd you for your push on me, but I do not TR for this push because I no longer believe it's town indicative of you.

Based on what? We haven't played together in ages

[SirCakez]

A50 town.

Nah

[SirCakez]

A50 town.

Nah

Do you think they're scum, or do you disagree with the townreads, and why?

UNVOTE: Innocentvillager

I think hes scum, his spamminess early on was bad and then his reaction to my push felt very constructed.

[SirCakez]

I’m fine with a lurker d1 if there’s no better options.

We're only like three IRL days into this game why this defeatism?

[SirCakez]

I’m not being defeatist we literally were on the subject of them and I weighed in on them lol

Yeah I meant 337 to be about the general case and took 338 as the same.

Hmm I see
I took NS's response as a "I give up let's hang a lurker" response but I guess I misunderstood

Town: IV, Malakittens, notscience
Null: A50, N_M
Scum: Xayah, Dunn, The Bulge, SirCakez, davesaz, Agar, Draomic

I think we should lynch someone in my scum list
VOTE: Agar

What is this monstrosity of a readslist

[SirCakez]

hm is Elements low hanging fruit or not
questions questions

[SirCakez]

Mala/notmaf/dram/????

Is that too easy?

For sure

[SirCakez]

It's two lurky players who haven't really scum hunted and not mad
Low hanging fruit city

[SirCakez]

not mafia*

[SirCakez]

hm is Elements low hanging fruit or not
questions questions

Generally speaking, he is. (Based on -at least- two games I've played with him before, in which he was eliminated on D1 on both. Oh, and he was Town on both two.)

Hm ok

Mala/notmaf/dram/????

Is that too easy?

I'm town for a start

Huh?? You may all laugh at me (now or postgame if I'm wrong) but this post is actually AI and it says N_M is indeed a townie. Scum!N_M never gives a shit about being SR'd! (And neither does Town!N_M tbh, but it's so odd he decided to intervene here it is town indicative of him).

This just isn't true because he was scum in Doubles Mafia and gave a shit about SRs there

[SirCakez]

Which one was Doubles Mafia again?

The one with two different games and only two scum had to be killed for town to win

Also I think agar is town.

What are you seeing because I'm struggling to read agar rn

@A50 it’s pretty clearly a joke, lol.

why say this?

hm is Elements low hanging fruit or not
questions questions

Generally speaking, he is. (Based on -at least- two games I've played with him before, in which he was eliminated on D1 on both. Oh, and he was Town on both two.)

Hm ok

what was the purpose of posting the original question? what did you get from this answer?

I decided not to put him in my scum pile for the bad readslist.

[SirCakez]

What the hell does LHF mean

[SirCakez]

Mala's apathy is always NAI because she's always swamped so you need to read her off of what is there

[SirCakez]

You could be right
But I don't think it's enough to go off of alone
I will admit she is similar-ish to the recent game I modded where she was scum

[SirCakez]

mmmmmk dude

[SirCakez]

Cakez, man, like... how do you

feeeeeel

?

like I'm in the center of a raging tornado crossing the plains of Kansas

[SirCakez]

nobody can even explain the reason for their vote other than A50's OMGUS so it seems pretty crap to me

[SirCakez]

nobody can even explain the reason for their vote other than A50's OMGUS so it seems pretty crap to me

Do you have any reads supported by evidence?

Not really but I don't claim too

[SirCakez]

Where did you get that I'm not trying to get reads?

[SirCakez]

I am but I'm having trouble finding stuff to hook onto this game

[SirCakez]

I'm the town leader and you're full of bullshit.

This is outright wrong lol

nobody can even explain the reason for their vote other than A50's OMGUS so

it seems pretty crap to me

no other posts in your iso indicate this.

ie, what are you going to do about it?

Nobody who is voting me is even talking about pushing me
So there's not much for me to do about it nor do I really care

Dram's case was kind of bad but seems townie enough?

[SirCakez]

I think I was wrong about the hayasaka slot being scum IV has been showing up and doing actually town shit more than most everyone else

[SirCakez]

A50 is still my strongest SR by far. Seems like he's not even trying here.

[SirCakez]

@xayah you dont have to answer obviously because you've said you wouldn't but if you care to it would be interesting to know why you think cakez is town.

You can't even explain why I'm scum so why would you want someone to explain why I'm town?

NM is a useless wagon/elim day 1

[SirCakez]

I can ask right? If he doesn't want to explain it whatever

Just because I don't have a concrete reason for voting you doesn't mean I can't ask other people if they want to share their opinions? idk what you want from me

and yeah id rather not elim NM d1

Ofc you can it just seems discontinuous with what you've said before

Also I take back my Dave townread

[SirCakez]

This feels similar to Doubles Mafia NM but I'm still not interested in a wagon there today

[SirCakez]

Nobody who is voting me is even talking about pushing me

You want me to push the case on you? Fine..

Spoiler:

I think I was wrong about the hayasaka slot being scum IV has been showing up and doing actually town shit more than most everyone else

What exact town shit has IV done?

A50 is still my strongest SR by far. Seems like he's not even trying here.

Why would I try when I can make you do all the work for me?

A50 seems to be openwolfing here tbh

IV seems to actually be trying unlike 90% of this game so that's my rationale

[SirCakez]

I feel like I have nothing to add here
The N_M wagon is stupid and pointless
Mala's AtE is a little gross but I still wouldn't vote her for it

[SirCakez]

The N_M wagon is stupid and pointless

this is true

What are your thoughts on a50?

He's my top SR I've already talked about this

[SirCakez]

A50's entire scum hunting seems to consist of OMGUS

[SirCakez]

I don't have strong opinions his game, why are there 4 votes on Malakittens?

She seems very different from her limited availability in 2148. You were there too- doesn’t she seem like way more of a nonentity this game?

At this point I accepted my death.

That’s a scum claim from her, IV.

Nah it’s called I got other things to do and focus on this game. I’m taking my skills for my paramedic card and don’t wanna be distracted.

Obv the wagon isn’t going away even though it’s complete and utter fucking bullshit.

These read like AtE

[SirCakez]

I hated Dave's readslist and his reaction to being pushed by deam

[SirCakez]

dram*
Also page top

[SirCakez]

Cakez what about the game of mafia, if anything, typically gets a somewhat emotional out of you?

Someone pushing me who's just flat out wrong (I mean like a legitimate push not the jokers in this game)
When I'm really confident in a push and people won't listen to me

Idk I used to get a lot more angry but I've tried to back down on that because I was really rude sometimes

[SirCakez]

intent to hammer

Only because we're running out of time

[SirCakez]

lol you're dreaming

[SirCakez]

Congrats Mala!

[SirCakez]

Now tell me who is scum and why?

You because your reaction to my scum case on you was off and I didn't like it.
And sircakez is shifty.

How am I shifty?

[SirCakez]

NM claim or die

[SirCakez]

Actually fuck it he had his chance
VOTE: NM

[SirCakez]

whine some more Bulge
Maybe if you actually had something to push me for people would listen

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:
baffled as to why nobody is voting with me, even if elements is town

maybe my vote will have more use off him than on

A50 looking like haya's buddy here

Ohm damn! You got us. Sorry, Haya. I tried.

Scum response

this post sucks

VOTE: sircakez

Also I think agar is town.

What are you seeing because I'm struggling to read agar rn

@A50 it’s pretty clearly a joke, lol.

why say this?

hm is Elements low hanging fruit or not
questions questions

Generally speaking, he is. (Based on -at least- two games I've played with him before, in which he was eliminated on D1 on both. Oh, and he was Town on both two.)

Hm ok

what was the purpose of posting the original question? what did you get from this answer?

sorry forgot to check in yesterday, I should have time for this tonight

sircakez wagon good

nobody can even explain the reason for their vote other than A50's OMGUS so

it seems pretty crap to me

no other posts in your iso indicate this.

ie, what are you going to do about it?

yes that. dram's points about dave's posts being damning to dave.

cakez slot being so boring big pings me!

@xayah you dont have to answer obviously because you've said you wouldn't but if you care to it would be interesting to know why you think cakez is town.

If Cakez is scum he's having to fake this amount of confidence and I don't see why he goes that angle. Plus if his read is right (and you believe it to be so) he's the person on top of the 'you should kill' list for w/e scum team isn't on it. There's certain strats you do in this setup and Cakez is like...doing none of them.

what about cakez's play this game makes you assume he would be playing optimally as scum? or is this a meta thing?

I can ask right? If he doesn't want to explain it whatever

Just because I don't have a concrete reason for voting you doesn't mean I can't ask other people if they want to share their opinions? idk what you want from me

and yeah id rather not elim NM d1

Ofc you can it just seems discontinuous with what you've said before

Also I take back my Dave townread

What about dave's last couple pages made you switch? if anything my townread of dave has grown stronger.

yea but I've seen mala AtE and this seems like not really that same level you know

anyone pushing for elements should probably help me with cakez instead im pretty sure elements is just bad town and the cakez wagon has the same perks

Here is the entirety of Bulge's push on me
What a monster of a scumhunter

[SirCakez]

VOTE: a50
Should have happened yesterday

[SirCakez]

VOTE: sircakez

this will look so nice as a counterwagon oooou~

lol

This A50 wagon is bad and y'all should feel bad for it.

Say why or piss off

[SirCakez]

Nobody even really wanted to elim NM it just ended up that way cuz no one could agree

[SirCakez]

Nobody even really wanted to elim NM it just ended up that way cuz no one could agree

Which makes it easy for scum to blend in with no worries. If Scum didn't want that miselimination they would have tried to push elsewhere. which would have stood out.

YES, I do realize town did the same (didn't try to push away from N_M), but that's not even my argument. I didn't say Scum

pushed

N_M. I said they were on the wagon. Where? I don't know. They could have been early or they could have been late. They just were on it.

If you don't believe me, try explaining why both Scum teams shot ON THE WAGON. It's because they BOTH agree to my logic. Both scum teams were hunting for the other scum team. (Unless you can find something in either NK target's ISO that could have been misinterpreted as a crumb to being a Mason/Monk)

Ok so what's your point here?

[SirCakez]

A50: Scum were on N_M
SC: He was a deasline miselimination
A50: Which makes more sense that scum were on it
SC: So what's your point?

I'm acknowledging that you were right, now I'm just curious what we should do with that information because you're making a big deal out of it

[SirCakez]

767 as been determined by me to not be a valid vote. (Mostly because I do not want to have puzzles for votes later that I need to solve)

Votecount 1.17

Not_Mafia (6):

Malakittens, davesaz, notscience, innocentvillager, Xayah, Elements

Almost50 (1):

SirCakez

Malakittens (1):

AGar

davesaz (1):

dramonic

notscience (1):

Not_Mafia

SirCakez(1):

The Bulge

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Almost50

With 13 in residence, it takes 7 votes to send someone down the mountain.
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-08-31 17:40:00)

Sure I can do Dave
Xayah isn't bad either

[SirCakez]

AGar is A50's buddy lol

[SirCakez]

AGar is A50's buddy lol

Brilliant contribution.

Right back at you

[SirCakez]

AGar is A50's buddy lol

Brilliant contribution.

Right back at you

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize that was the majority of my posting.

And?

[SirCakez]

Not wooosh
I just don't care

[SirCakez]

Well agar and cakez is entertaining but not really



Cakez I’m reading a50 as town that’s giving u scum vibes on him

I'm confused what you're asking me

[SirCakez]

I feel like this game is spinning wheels

[SirCakez]

Can we go back to the A50 wagon

[SirCakez]

Can we go back to the A50 wagon

Still don’t get how you can hard sus A50 rn

Why not?

[SirCakez]

Damn I haven't been prodded in years....

[SirCakez]

VOTE: xayah
Seems no one will bite on A50

[SirCakez]

VOTE: xayah
Seems no one will bite on A50

Why me?

POE other people are townier and consensus
wagonomics

Updated page 12 reads;

A50/Elements/Dave looks town

wrong maybe wrong

joey entrance kinda good though and honestly we need active players so Imma head back here

VOTE: A50

[SirCakez]

dave and A50 are putting out a lot of "content" but it's almost all crap Joey
What's the towniness you're getting from the content?

[SirCakez]

dave and A50 are putting out a lot of "content" but it's almost all crap Joey
What's the towniness you're getting from the content?

Got any town reads you're willing to put a reason to?

Dunn is fine
The Bulge has an obnoxious playstyle but probably town
and elements I guess? the slot feels v lynchbaity

I have a big null pile which is killing me

dave and A50 are putting out a lot of "content" but it's almost all crap Joey
What's the towniness you're getting from the content?

Well, I think consistency in-and-out of itself is a hard trait to maintain as scum. I don't really agree with the content but I read for the thought processes. I think a50 went above and beyond many time where he spammed 3-4 savage town posts a minute appart. Its hard stuff to do as mefia

For dave, I am less certain. The content is w/e, it's not like I expect to agree with them. Tho, when I was reading, I was starting to scumread them until I saw my pred hard townread on them, then I assumed I was overthinking and went back to my initial read on them. I think one of his worst post in the game is the ''i am the town leader and this is bullshit'' one. I have no doubt that dave is a great player and from memory, like I said, he was better as t. Tho this game, he's not the beacon of I light I thought he would be. Could it be explained because this is a hard game? Maybe because it's been 2-3 years since I played with them? Maybe I am rusty? idk.

I might try to play this game out of gut rather than head since it's multiball tho

do you have experience with A50? his spam-posts are NAI, he's super good
With Dave I just get a lot of indignance and "scum who is mad they are being scumread" vibes from his posts
like his reaction to my last set of posts for example
and I'm not getting any "town leader" vibes

I'm a VT popcorn AGar

[SirCakez]

You're getting PR who is annoyed they're being scumread.

As for leading, aside from your latest post I'm the only one in the game who has come close to reading more than half the playerlist. Damn right I'm indignant.

hmmmm

your defensiveness is noted however

At the time it felt like lazy shades and with bad logic. I didn’t really explained well what I meant since I was going to work and had no time left, shrugs

@hoot hoot i dislike that you still haven’t produced anything related to any slot outside dave even when proded multiple times.

Out of everyone’s rxn from the last few pages, buldge/cakez/dave’s looks like town to me, hm

@cakez; i have at least 5+ completed games with a50 and always ended up hard townreading him correctly but for better reasons than i tr him this game. Could you link me some of his s games I am lazy

I honestly can't point to a specific game but it's just my general conception of my games with him over the last ~4 years

[SirCakez]

Claiming PR also would force an IC out, get rxns, dodging the lynch pool etc

So we agree the flip pool is ; toadpool/hoothoot/monkey/cakez/buldge/kitty

Can you translate this

[SirCakez]

Agar and dunn are both prolly town useless argument

[SirCakez]

Claiming PR also would force an IC out, get rxns, dodging the lynch pool etc

So we agree the flip pool is ; toadpool/hoothoot/monkey/cakez/buldge/kitty

Can you translate this

Well, I am used to chat mafia where fake claims are common for both alignement.

A classic; fake claim masons with someone who you pocketed.

Another classic: Or when everyone is massclaiming, claim to be a pr. If the amount of claimed PR is exceeding what is expexted, retract and play it cool. If an actual PR is not claiming, take their spot, hunt for it and set them up for a CC down the road. This is also useful to find PR that want to stay hidden; you claim their role and they will flip shit then play it cool. Also in this very context, PR were claimed so they wouldnt be in the lynch pool. It’s another possible gain as scum with no downside because you only keep the claim if the other PR (hidden or IC) let’s you keep it.

Only gains, no lost. This is a side of mafia that is usefull irl and in chatmafia but extremely rarely ever useful in forum mefia. The argument a50 used about the behavior having no incentive as scum because it’s a scumclaim, is exactly the very same rationale that permit this kind of play; it’s too scummy to be scum... but is it?

I wasn’t shading dundun, but I was disagreeing with a50 about being this naïve about the move. But I also agreeded that in most circumstances, it’s only a bunch of very ballsy players who do this so the “overall” rational of a50 I agreed with. So I agreed both ways; aGar and a50.

I think a50 is also biaised because he’s the one who asked for a town to lie, so he was appealing to town in his mind and then assumed that dundun answered the call, therefore biaised in believing he’s town for that. I think the dundun argument that he was deliberately asked to fake claim justify his claim is total bullshit though. Fakeclaiming for memes is a better reason in this case than because someone asked you to

I meant in reference to your nicknames for people in the pool

[SirCakez]

Wtf is A50 talking about

[SirCakez]

hoot hoot = dram
toadpool = elements
monkey = a50

Thx

dunnstral is probably scum
VOTE: dunn

Lmao

[SirCakez]

I just literally have nothing to add here
I can do any of A50, mala, dram slot, elements/dolittle, preferences in that order

[SirCakez]

VOTE: mala
Wagon wheeee
Let's just flip and progress

[SirCakez]

I think it's nai for dolittle he played like this in my last game with him

[SirCakez]

Dolittle you're aware dunn is conftown?

[SirCakez]

Beisde, cakez's 1187 asking to flip&progress makes little sens as town mindset of this being lylo. Which is part of why I was second guessing myself

I didn't actually realize we are in LyLo
There is always cross kill potential too

I still prefer dundun

With all due respect, I don't care what you prefer. I'm a starter, you're a replacement. You don't replace in to mess up my stats with your whims, assuming you are town.

This is terrible lol

Yo hold up I thought Dunn was conftown????

[SirCakez]

We badly need a deadline.

Yo hold up I thought Dunn was conftown????

Are you confusing me with Agar?

Apparently
I'm not interested in eliming you today anyways

[SirCakez]

You're probably in a scum slot :/

[SirCakez]

Iso Dram
Self explanatory

[SirCakez]

Cakes why did you tell me dunnstral is conf town

I got him confused with AGar who is conftown from claim

[SirCakez]

whats your read on dunnstral then

Light town other people are scummier

[SirCakez]

I think the mala slot has an insanely high chance of hitting scum just based on POE and slot apathy

[SirCakez]

fuck

[SirCakez]

Time for A50 to go methinks

[SirCakez]

Dolittle is for sure scum from my pov also

[SirCakez]

Our odds are really good to hit scum here...

[SirCakez]

I want to go for scum elim the odds are better

[SirCakez]

So we basically need crosskills no matter what?

[SirCakez]

Also nobody is gonna attack Dolittle and I think he's definitely scum so why not

[SirCakez]

Honestly it seems like it doesn't matter too much which way we go

[SirCakez]

VOTE: drdolittle

[SirCakez]

someone hammer dolittle zzzzzz
if he's town we deserve the loss

[SirCakez]

Yeah wut
Dunn and Bulge were the WWs they win
I was the other goon

[SirCakez]

I was so sure A50 was a WW