mystery box of silver 10. (done)

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Lunch is over for me. I still want that answer DS. Will check back later.

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April Ludgate (11): mastina, NorwegianboyEE, shellyc, superbowl9, Titus, MathBlade, TheGoldenParadox, Tayl0r Swift, April Ludgate, Nero Cain, Almost50

Here there's at least two scum in this. If you don't want to vote in your going squad vote shellyc

Actually, there are more. April is mod-confirmed scum to start with. Norwee is publicly confirmed Scum (because you say the Army is not concerning and he is confirmed not Army). I am confirmed scum to sb and vice versa. mastina, Titus and Nero are confirmed scum to each other, and now that the have both myself and Norwee in the hood they are confirmed to us as well, and I am strongly leaning Mathblade is scum with the rest of us too.

Hmmm.. that leaves shelly, TGP & Swift as "Town candidates".

But seriously, who would you be suspecting from that wagon?? Give me NAMES.

I obviously would never claim scum but there are specific reasons I have been evasive and let’s leave it there. If you scumread me for it so be it. Little busy here doing this to help.

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Alright. That makes me feel a lot better about this. Titus' hood notwithstanding, I

really

don't like MM/SB's hood (I don't remember their third). While they may not be "scum", I don't think that they are town-aligned with their wincon at all. There are 2 of the 3 members who are super scummy.

PEdit: Hmm, with A50? Well, if they're not the "scum faction", I don't feel bad about thinking that they're a non-town aligned King (although is that an innate part of their role or did they get it from the peanut gallery?

Can I execute this?

I am okay with an execution there.

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Good news is, I got the apartment.

Bad news... it's unfurnished.

So less anxiety but less time.

/me hugs

I have a rule not to talk RL in game but hugs.

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April Ludgate (11): mastina, NorwegianboyEE, shellyc, superbowl9, Titus, MathBlade, TheGoldenParadox, Tayl0r Swift, April Ludgate, Nero Cain, Almost50

Here there's at least two scum in this. If you don't want to vote in your going squad vote shellyc

I actually think there may be zero scum in this and that scum thought town would turn on itself if they avoided it.

Intrigued. What do you think scum were doing instead?

The 3 players in the mod-provided list for today's execution have one on a vanity wagon and 2 not voting, so I assume that was the case for at least 3 of them, and that wagon could have only 1 scum on it at most.

I am going to say this several times for the people in the back.

I think VCA is flawed in this game due to the 3P nature of things.

I really think you should focus in the pairing given. I get the reasoning here but I think there is a flaw I can’t explain. If you’re insistent please shoot Shelly I townread the other two.

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^^that was hyperbole, a50 don't ACTUALLY shoot me

I’m actually okay with TGP being the shot but it’s unlikely since he didn’t ask for your claim.

TGP is not scum. I am actually coming around to a full solve of ddl/DS/shelly/Chemist. If I'm wronf on one of them then Taylor comes in for them, and if I'm wrong about a second I'll consider Pickaxe

Remove Chemist and replace with JJH or Pete and I am okay with it.

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Wait how did you get April scum?

She flipped town.

A50 are you okay?

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Wait how did you get April scum?

She flipped town.

A50 are you okay?

The post was sarcastic.

More planes landing at Math’s head!

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Wait how did you get April scum?

She flipped town.

A50 are you okay?

The post was sarcastic.

More planes landing at Math’s head!

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I think mass claim can wait until at least we're done with the A50 judge dredd Phase.

Agreed with this. So agreed with this.

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I obviously would never claim scum but there are specific reasons I have been evasive and let’s leave it there. If you scumread me for it so be it. Little busy here doing this to help.

Did you bloody read what I said? I called myself Scum. I called the hood scum, and I called Norwee scum too. It was SARCASM.

I am sorry

I have had about four things crash around me so I sorta skimmed.

*hides in blushies*

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Remove Chemist and replace with JJH or Pete and I am okay with it.

Nah. jjh is Town. Ascetic Scum would be too strong for an Inventor, a Motion Detector, a Tracker, and -presumably- a Gossipee. NONE of them can target it, so it's even stringer than GODFATHER.

I think you’re making a mistake there.

We’ve only seen town/3P powers except one shot alien.

Scum have to survive against both.

Ascetic imho is really good for that.

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Remove Chemist and replace with JJH or Pete and I am okay with it.

Nah. jjh is Town. Ascetic Scum would be too strong for an Inventor, a Motion Detector, a Tracker, and -presumably- a Gossipee. NONE of them can target it, so it's even stringer than GODFATHER.

I think you’re making a mistake there.

We’ve only seen town/3P powers except one shot alien.

Scum have to survive against both.

Ascetic imho is really good for that.

And what was the Alien for then?

My prevailing theory is to prevent neighborize. Titus said it acts as a protection. Having it be an alien also stops invests hitting there.

I just don’t think one shot balances out against everything the 3P has and the ascetic balances so well.

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Anyway, I am ready to end the day if you all are. I will give it another hour or two for anyone who wnats to add something or request and extension.

May your shot ring true.

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I put my thoughts in the hood A50.

Any reason you don’t put them here?

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prob b/c she doesn't want

you

scum to know

Like I get that but I mean why would she not want her reads out here?

I wasn’t asking the surface why I was asking the deeper why.

Clearly it’s something she wants hood only.

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prob b/c she doesn't want

you

scum to know

Like I get that but I mean why would she not want her reads out here?

I wasn’t asking the surface why I was asking the deeper why.

Clearly it’s something she wants hood only.

I didn't want A50 to feel like he had to justify his choice to me or anyone else.

Ah. Yeah he shouldn’t have to. He’s confirmed 3P.

Whatever he hits it’s like he’s not town. So whoever he does hit will likely promote his win con.

Lmao.

Like I hope his reads are good but don’t know til he votes.

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I think that's what he was getting at. Hyper contradictions though leans scum.

which is prob why he's scum.

What is your solve Nero?
So far you have me+SS+?

And DS’s post is ugly. Wtf.

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The ugly post is 5970 for context.

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I guess people are afraid of posting for fear of being shot for saying something stupid.

More like this day has been over for a while.

Nero is that like you scumread those six people individually or is that these are the only people I see teamed? I am trying to figure out where your head is at.

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Nero is that like you scumread those six people individually or is that these are the only people I see teamed? I am trying to figure out where your head is at.

y do u care where my head is at?

Just because you think I am scum doesn’t mean I think you are. I just think you’re annoying. I am hoping by finding some commonality we can figure this out. I’d rather not have a Nero tunnels math like an idiot day.

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I just think you’re annoying.

town with good reads are annoying. I don't think you

HAVE

to be scum but I deff think you

COULD

be.

I have a question though. Yesterday, d2, you were pushing the idea that our hood was scum and you were claiming you had a town read on April. So why vote...her?

I was voting her to demonstrate a few things that I think are slowly sinking in

1) IIOA will kill this game. If you look over D2 again you’ll see I was town grouping (I refuse to call it a block). Facts can be very misleading. You know my scum game and that I do that as scum. The moderator does tell the truth but if you put wrong biases on it it is fucked.

2) I think there’s something about the setup that y’all weren’t noticing that I am not sure if you got but it it’s waaaay too late if you didn’t get it.

3) I was frustrated that you all seemed to try to “rule” the thread with an iron hand vs ya know talking or trying to read me. You still are a bit with this whole A50 determines the execution but at least today is better than yesterday.

Overall I felt like I was bending over backwards to do things in a cordial manner and getting no where and between that and the conf and 95% I was just checked out and done.

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I'm not arguing vca with titus. That's my untrained eye. I don't see what prevents scum from forming a counter wagon.

I just think VCA is useless for that.

I mean why would scum counter wagon town? I guess I play scum differently.

I could see a case like Civ but I don’t remember how many Other wagons there were in that game. Just that it surprised me it was all town.

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VCA isn't very accurate, lets move on and stop playing like its 2012

Commonality found.

VCA sucks in multiball and 3P and since there’s been multiple 3Ps and not a single town driven day I couldn’t agree more.

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WRONG!

For all intents and purposes, 3p are town in this game without 18 town we couldn't get 5 scum. VCA has its place and all but its not the say all and be all Titus thinks it is.

Other than yourself, what do you think of my read list, Math?

I think you’re labeling yourselves that and today was more Townie than yesterday but once a 3P you’re a 3P. Until I know the wincon (which I am not asking) I apply 3P rules. And so the way I do VCA I need town to have a voice to get a vibe of where town is and where the scum are hiding. The two 3Ps drowned it out which is why the wagons were weird.

I think swap Chemist for JJH and you’re pretty good. I just think JJH scum makes more sense setup spec wise and I disagree with Mastina.

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I'm not arguing vca with titus. That's my untrained eye. I don't see what prevents scum from forming a counter wagon.

I just think VCA is useless for that.

I mean why would scum counter wagon town? I guess I play scum differently.

I could see a case like Civ but I don’t remember how many Other wagons there were in that game. Just that it surprised me it was all town.

I'm not going to get into a theory discussion with you. It's pointless in-game.

(Sarcasm) Ouch you wound me *hand over heart*

(Serious talk) Where was this Pete earlier? I like him.

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the 4 scum are in

math
SS
DS
TGP
chemist
DDL

wich means im 4/6 so not 100% but still p accurate.

JJH?????

I think Mastina in the Titus/Mastina/Nero hood probably vetoes a JJH build.

With how fast this game is going it feels like Titus is going the reads, Nero is doing reaction tests, and Mastina is doing setup spec and Titus does VCA. I doubt the three of them budge on JJH. Nero has some disagreement which he uses but they’ve synergized a lot which is a good thing.

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eh.....

im being lazy and sheeping mastina

Close enough.

I was pretty sure you were just doing reaction tests and sleeping one of the two. I just thought it was Titus rather than Mastina.

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every math post just makes me cringe.

That’s almost always true unfortunately. I don’t know why.

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reaction tests are so 2010. Its 2020 Math, get with the times brotha.

I am old. Sometimes the old dogs tricks still work. But I don’t mind learning new tricks.

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What’s your favorite ice cream flavor math

Vanilla. Can’t have a lot of flavors as I can’t have caffeine.

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Also how are you the too poster by >100 after missing D1 chill tf out dude

Can you define that please? XD

It’s very hard to chill when I can count on two hands the amount of times y’all in the Alliance have gone full blabber mouth and I have had to interact quickly to cover it. Like I get there’s new dangled social media but sometimes y’all should live in 2010.

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Super Bowl favorite chicken dish?

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I do believe we need someone to send someone off the island.

I believe that’s A50s job

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And one random useless fact.

One can not compute dividing by zero if the person first does not have the ability to solve the problem.

Hey I am bored sue me.

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math did u ever give an opinion on massclaim?

Yes I have and I hate it. I am always against it until absolutely necessary.

Right now I don’t think it is.

Depending upon how A50s shot goes we will see if my mind changes tomorrow.

I am kinda also against it in general because I want the hood to pick up on something and not scum.

So I kinda really don’t want mass claim because it may show scum what I have been trying to hide.

If y’all dictate it I can’t stop it, but I think not yet.

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Think of it like Texas Holdem

Player A has a 7-2 offsuit
Player B has a K-Q hearts
Player C has a A-K spades
Player D has a pair of jacks

Flop is Q 10 9
Player A knows they win on a couple different ways.

But if you tell them the next card without them putting any money in they may give more before they realize they are screwed.

The turn card will eventually happen.

Get scum to bet first.

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Anywho I am going to bed soon. Anything else?

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Here's final request before I end the day (for real)!

I want everybody to NOT argue too much, but to tell ne if they think it better to execute ddl (the sure thing) or go for shelly/Chemist (and the reason would be to give the Society the chance of being all on ddl, because they all agree he's scum too).

AGAIN: FOR THOSE ASKING ABOUT THE SOCIETY WINCON. ALL THREE NEED TO BE ON 2 SCUM WAGONS. THEY WERE ALL IN GAMMA, so they need another one, They also need to AVOID being on more than one town wagon, and they've already exhausted that by being on April. They CANNOT afford to be on another miselimination, and they need to be on a SCUM elimination, so I would like to give them ddl.

Remember: Do NOT "argue" too much. Be brief and precise if you please. Thank you

Here’s the issue with that.

You’re acting as if you have solved the game before the flips have happened yet.

Let’s assume for just a moment that whoever you shoot is town, how do your reads change?

You’re acting like it’s a foregone conclusion.

I get you are REALLY confident but that’s we’re fuck ups happen.

If you’re really determined to shoot in Shelly/Chemist I would focus where we agree and shoot Shelly rather than differ for this reason but overall I prefer DDL. Just in case things are fucked.

Mainly I am Mr. Pessimist over here trying to be a realist. Don’t get me wrong I agree with almost everything you’ve said (except the interaction bit and setup spec). I just would want us to be in the best possible place.

That means imho shoot DDL
If scum we have a few other places of agreement to start from.
If town we know we need to focus on PickAxe/JJH and can figure out what happened.

Also leaving DDL until tomorrow gives scum a place to hide imho.

But as always you do you. If you shoot in Shelly/Chemist I see the reasoning I am just way more conservative.

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Math he said brief which means everyone other than math and mastina are allowed to respond

Sorry Shutting up now

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The math seems wrong but right?

If you’re making the assumption there has to be at least one scum between Shelly and Chemist it works

But then you’re literally assuming what you’re trying to prove.

That is like me doing a list of A50 and going look “100% chance of scum”

That’s not how math works lmao.

#Math can’t shut up

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ddl (1): sb
Chemist (1): Bell,
shelly (0):



Not voting (): MM, mastina, Titus, Nero, Norwee, Math, S_S, jjh, Pickaxe, Ds, TGP, Taylor, shelly, Chemist, ddl

Apparently I don’t get a vote either
(Overdramatic comedic tone)
*sniffles*

Fine! Guess I will take my posts and go home. (I am home. Well shit.)

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ddl (1): sb
Chemist (1): Bell,
shelly (0):



Not voting (): MM, mastina, Titus, Nero, Norwee, Math, S_S, jjh, Pickaxe, Ds, TGP, Taylor, shelly, Chemist, ddl

Apparently I don’t get a vote either
(Overdramatic comedic tone)
*sniffles*

Fine! Guess I will take my posts and go home. (I am home. Well shit.)

Comedy isn't your strong point is it?

Not really. That’s why I wanted to make sure people didn’t think it was serious considering my prior serious arguments of the 3Ps hogging the game.

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I mean yes. If you assume you’re right you’re right.

If I assume 3 scum are your hood at the onset then I get a 100% chance if there being scum in your hood.

It’s circular logic.

If I assume I am the moderator there is a 100% chance of me being the moderator.

Wrong assumptions can lead to false conclusions.

That’s why as superbowl said you don’t assume.

Imho there’s still plenty of ways to get Titus’s hood their wincon.

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ddl (1): sb
Chemist (1): Bell,
shelly (0):



Not voting (): MM, mastina, Titus, Nero, Norwee, Math, S_S, jjh, Pickaxe, Ds, TGP, Taylor, shelly, Chemist, ddl

Apparently I don’t get a vote either
(Overdramatic comedic tone)
*sniffles*

Fine! Guess I will take my posts and go home. (I am home. Well shit.)

Isn't "Math" short of your handle?

(I had voted for DDL execution before that post. )

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When you do math you put in no assumptions or reads. If you want to put in assumptions or reads then you’ve just told us you have a clear DDL elim. If you’re worried about 3P stuff shoot PP. It’s VERY easy and if you fuck this up you WILL be pulling a mastina

Why would I be bloody shooting someone I bloody TOWN READ?

You wouldn’t but that doesn’t make you right.

You’re putting in the assumption you’re right to justify percentages.

Math is done without reads even if you’d never shoot there.

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I'm more of an social studies kinda guy. I don't know anything about math tbh.

Is that "Math" McConaughey or Math-U Perry??

Alright Alright Alright I guess we’re doing this then lol. (I pick McConaughey I get a nice car ad out of it)

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If I assume 3 scum are your hood at the onset then I get a 100% chance if there being scum in your hood.

On what grounds? I mean, I gave you the premises of my assumptions, so don't argue using a "random" assumption. I want one supported ny evidence for you to make it.

That was sarcasm.

You’re doing

If X then calculate odds of Y.
Let’s say X (combination of all prior reasons) has say an 80% chance of being true.
And independently Y has a say 75% chance of being true.

If X then Y has a 80% chance * 75% chance of being true.

The more likely assumptions you stack the more you decrease the odds of all of them being true.

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Actually Superb Owl might have an point. It is better for public relations to kill the slot everyone scumreads. Hero shooting that hits town will aggravate tensions in our community and allow the scum terrorist group to spread Anti-Alliance propaganda.
I will discuss with my superiors about this issue.

Agreed because if I have to play piece maker again this is going to go very poorly tomorrow.

Considering I am universally townread if the Alliance fucks this up then I may get nominated to actually try to lead tomorrow and after a year of rust and sometimes how bad my reads can be I don’t want to be the only voice that’s trusted tomorrow.

That scares me.

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Fucking fine.

VOTE: DDL

P-edit: I will no longer oppose your elimination either. Fair is fair.

Thank you.

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Bell what are you talking about.

+1

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Thank you A50. If I am wrong, yippie. If I am right, we've set up to get scum tomorrow.

Wrong about ?
Right about ?

I also really hate it when you chain execute.

Please one at a time. That’s all the executes we got.

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she thinks ddl is town ause everyone said he was sum inluding the sum team

I mean valid argument but scum bus when they’re caught and IMHO that’s what this is.

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guess which key is having problems on my keyboard.

@Math, I agree. The only thing that gives me pause is that scum don't usually do it twice.

Uhm ?? I don’t know?

@Bell For there to be a twice there has to be a first and Gamma was 3P driven.

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she thinks ddl is town ause everyone said he was sum inluding the sum team

Actually my theory is scum wanted anyone but Pete.

Interesting. Go on.

@Nero lol

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guess which key is having problems on my keyboard.

Judging by 6149 my money is on either x or v

Nope I don’t c what you’re talking about.

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I'd have to find my cross referenced chart again as evidence. I am not doing that until after work. If the thread gets locked and DDL flips town, you'll have it waiting for you tomorrow.

Sounds good.

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I just realized that there was data on this and I think in general scum are about as likely to be on scum wagons as town are. Even post-flip one of their own.
So never mind I guess?

Odds and likely in a weird setup is a dangerous game to play.

Let’s just play it safe.

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scum don't usually do it twice.

Are you saying Nicki Minaj dates form an all-town pool?

Spoiler:

C’mon man.

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guess which key is having problems on my keyboard.

Judging by 6149 my money is on either x or v

Nope I don’t c what you’re talking about.

That's your accuracy vs my precision then.

Clearly. XD

Anything else before I get ready for work or is it all good?

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Oh. Good. I was concerned A50 was

actually

throwing.

Titus, you willing to neighborize one of Math or I tonight? It's kinda a pain walking around in the dark.

Ewwwww

Disgusting.

I do not town read you.

If Titus Nero and Mastina good DS I swear I woke up in upside down land.

Titus Nero and Mastina almost never hood me due to paranoia.

Like wtf?

I needs me an instant elimination

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God DS*

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Hood DS*

I can has type skills I swears

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I'm the leader now. I've usurped Mastina and Titus. Sorry that you and Math have to deal with the sane head now.

And why exactly have you urusped them?

DDL hasn’t flipped. Know something we don’t and care to share?

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Luckily I am not scum so none of that matters.

I trust them to know what they’re doing. They’ve got their new dangled tricks imho.

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1. If you're scum, even if you get in the hood, you're predictable enough (and loud-mouthed enough) that we could get some real information from it.
2. If you're scum, you'll get sorted easily enough. Sorry to say, Math, my dear chum, but you're kinda washed up and I don't have to worry about you pulling some crazy 9000 IQ plays.

What if he's neither, but rather scum instead?

Lol I can’t. I am dying over here.

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1. If you're scum, even if you get in the hood, you're predictable enough (and loud-mouthed enough) that we could get some real information from it.
2. If you're scum, you'll get sorted easily enough. Sorry to say, Math, my dear chum, but you're kinda washed up and I don't have to worry about you pulling some crazy 9000 IQ plays.

What if he's neither, but rather scum instead?

I'm gonna assume that you mean what if he's town?

If he's town, that's excellent. I have someone who is frank and says stuff in the super secret cool kids club.

Says stuff in this thread, while he's in the super secret cool kids club. Not necessarily says stuff in the cool kids club.

How about we quit wasting time on what will never happen?

Good. Good.

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why was that discussion in this thread rather than in your PT?

There was nothing left to hide from anyone. I needed the public opinion and he reiterated the same argument, and Math backed him up (but I don't blame him because Math doesn't know "everything"). Titus started getting cold feet too because ddl was almost unanimous, so I figured maybe leaving ddl till later may backfire.

Lmao when did I claim to know everything?

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^ Scum who knows Chemist flips town?

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Can you please fly to my residence and show me the screen with your wincon on it?? Not sure if i can trust you otherwise

Yeah That’s how it always is with me.

Not to be trusted til the flip

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At this stage, I think the scumteam is most likely to be DDL, Taylor, DS, and one of TGP and S_S.

Remember to rule of 3 this

At least someone sees my point of JJH scum.

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Wow i thought I was alone in that SR

Nope been arguing with Mastina through Nero about it all game

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At this stage, I think the scumteam is most likely to be DDL, Taylor, DS, and one of TGP and S_S.

Remember to rule of 3 this

How do you rule of 3 something with 5 names in it

Rule of three says anytime scum list three or more people at least one is scum (little more complicated than that but close enough)

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You make me so happy when you use poker analogies

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You make me so happy when you use poker analogies

JJh limped into a flop at SB and everyone here is thinking he's on aces....

I mean when you aren’t thinking about the rules of engagement and decide to play by your own setup spec and rules you’re gonna end up high on the hog.

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I don’t think JJ is likely scum. Maybe they could be ascetic SK or something. But unless we get a bunch of double kills i wouldn’t worry about it.

SK is impossible.

We all know how much worth your setup spec has, sorry if that’s too blunt.

After all April can’t have been town right?

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Smh Let’s just see what happens tonight.

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Did I suggest that you did?

The scare quotes around "everything" imply that it's something that someone else said

Oh yay! More context fails /sarcasm

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VOTE: PeteVOTE:

Super Bowl and Norway was do you think about the cop info above?

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VOTE: Pete

Sorry mobile

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We know Pickaxe Pete will be the execution.

I still need to rework my notes as my solve wasn't perfect due to the last notifications present.

We know that scum shot DS and DS shot jjh. This is helpful as we know the second kills are coming from town universally, rather than just taking our word for it.

The second vig should shoot within the new pool of three, even if I disagree with the shot.

Let’s pretend your setup spec is correct. Key word pretend

Because we won’t entertain Vig hunting or correcting this assumption if wrong/right/tipsy turbo

Who would you shoot?

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some kudos to DS - he didn't hit scum, but he did targets who would've been distracting during the day, good vigging I think.

Yes. DS may have not had the best reads, but his shots were still useful, which is why scum likely killed him.

i guess, although why didnt scum shoot in the mason-pool?

Because of questions like this.
Posts like Maths "pretend".
Paranoia from DS.
The masons disagree on who scum is now.
Shooting the vigilante.

Hey if scum don’t shoot in confTown that’s a win for us right? More conf townies?

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some kudos to DS - he didn't hit scum, but he did targets who would've been distracting during the day, good vigging I think.

Yes. DS may have not had the best reads, but his shots were still useful, which is why scum likely killed him.

i guess, although why didnt scum shoot in the mason-pool?

Because of questions like this.
Posts like Maths "pretend".
Paranoia from DS.
The masons disagree on who scum is now.
Shooting the vigilante.

Hey if scum don’t shoot in confTown that’s a win for us right? More conf townies?

Why do you sound so different now. I swear, it's like you're an different person from D2.

Uhm, I don’t know what you mean? *puzzled look* *looks at mirror* Yep still MathBlade.

[MathBlade]

I mean you went from "these 3p masons will be the death of our society, we are all doomed" to: "Hey, these masons are pretty alright."

I actually switched yesterday if you take a look.

They weren’t being tyrants so I just figured Titus and Mastina were overeager.

[MathBlade]

Why does DS's flip imply an even-night vig

Town needs more killing roles in a large.

in a game with 7 conftown by day 2?

Titus is pretty bad with setup spec.

Let it go.

[MathBlade]

some kudos to DS - he didn't hit scum, but he did targets who would've been distracting during the day, good vigging I think.

Yes. DS may have not had the best reads, but his shots were still useful, which is why scum likely killed him.

i guess, although why didnt scum shoot in the mason-pool?

Because of questions like this.
Posts like Maths "pretend".
Paranoia from DS.
The masons disagree on who scum is now.
Shooting the vigilante.

Hey if scum don’t shoot in confTown that’s a win for us right? More conf townies?

yeah exactly math. I know what you're saying Titus, but my point is that, if scum are really taking that line, it's really stupid. Even yesterday, at most it was only me and Math really pushing the questions, and I'm within the 7! As I say, *shrug*, we're going with it, as that's the consensus.

I mean some things look stupid that were smart.

Look at how many townies have died.

Never underestimate scum here.

This actually scares me.

[MathBlade]

I mean eventually scum will have to kill the masons or be PoE’d out of existence. It’s a matter of when.

[MathBlade]

i mean masons will have a majority tomorrow, so it might already be too late.

That’s why I am worried.

Something has to be off mathematically.

Maybe scum shot DS because he was still pushing the mason claim?

[MathBlade]

I mean of those 3, it's clearly TGP first.

Now that we know there was 1/3 in the last batch, i think it’s likely that A50’s theory about scum choosing these cop pools is correct. Based on that we may not even want to shoot within the 3, since our poe has been narrowed outside it. Ofc we could be getting wifomed

erm, i think you'll find that was MY theory

Don’t worry I tend to like yalls theories better than the Titus’s hoods.

Y’all s makes sense.

[MathBlade]

i mean masons will have a majority tomorrow, so it might already be too late.

That’s why I am worried.

Something has to be off mathematically.

Maybe scum shot DS because he was still pushing the mason claim?

unlikely, they'd have shot Something Smart in that case.

DS was pushing pretty hard too. SS woulda been obvious.

[MathBlade]

Nah I am just getting paranoid, right?

[MathBlade]

you might be right but for the wrong reason lol

Elaborate?

[MathBlade]

also if scum has any compassion theyll kill me tonight before i get recruited to the other hood

Scum by definition are compassion less and pretty sure they don’t take orders from confTown. That’s be crazy. Lol

[MathBlade]

also if scum has any compassion theyll kill me tonight before i get recruited to the other hood

Scum by definition are compassion less and pretty sure they don’t take orders from confTown. That’s be crazy. Lol

nah scum can be compassionate, and it wasn't an order, it was a humble request!

Seems odd you want to die?

*puzzled*

Hey even night vig theres a player who wants to die if you exist?

[MathBlade]

also if scum has any compassion theyll kill me tonight before i get recruited to the other hood

Scum by definition are compassion less and pretty sure they don’t take orders from confTown. That’s be crazy. Lol

nah scum can be compassionate, and it wasn't an order, it was a humble request!

Seems odd you want to die?

*puzzled*

Hey even night vig theres a player who wants to die if you exist?

are you really asking a town vig to shoot me, rather than within the potential scumpool?

I am confused I thought you were claiming you needed to die?

If not then the Vig needs to shoot in the scum pool.

[MathBlade]

also if scum has any compassion theyll kill me tonight before i get recruited to the other hood

Scum by definition are compassion less and pretty sure they don’t take orders from confTown. That’s be crazy. Lol

nah scum can be compassionate, and it wasn't an order, it was a humble request!

Seems odd you want to die?

*puzzled*

Hey even night vig theres a player who wants to die if you exist?

are you really asking a town vig to shoot me, rather than within the potential scumpool?

I am confused I thought you were claiming you needed to die?

If not then the Vig needs to shoot in the scum pool.

erm, i was more volunteering myself to eat the scum NK, as opposed to actively playing against my wincon.

Oh some games have really weird wincons

I have learned to never assume lol

[MathBlade]

erm, i was more volunteering myself to eat the scum NK, as opposed to actively playing against my wincon.

Yeah good job, now scum will never shoot you. Ever.

Pretty much this yeah

[MathBlade]

ok hero solve time:

Bell - TGP - Pickaxe Pete - Mathblade

Clearly such a hero solve.

[MathBlade]

I can't argue with pickaxepete town atm.
Because why would I.
I'm town.

If you could not embarrass me by being actually scum Pete I would appreciate it.

These two posts don't track.

Prepare to be embarrassed because I'm town. Why do you want me to be scum?

Bell probably town based on this.

really?? i drew the opposite conclusion when I ISO'd Bell...

Yeah but you also think someone saying "honestly" is a scum tell.

Usually is about 50/50 or at the very least dread saying it

[MathBlade]

ok hero solve time:

Bell - TGP - Pickaxe Pete - Mathblade

Clearly such a hero solve.

was i right??

Dunno you’ll have to ask scum. That was sarcastic.

[MathBlade]

ah well, if Norweg is just gonna be a jerk, who cares about his opinion!

VOTE: pickaxe pete

This guy cares about conf not Army’s opinion.

[MathBlade]

i feel like the potential benefit from a mastina scumflip today is massively outweighed by the drawbacks of flipping town!mastina, and in any case she seems to be making a concentrated effort to gamesolve, but i'm not sure if that's nai for her. VOTE: plusjoyed their entire push on mastina feels manufactured and 575 and 674 ping me as calling out something for which there is no reason to call out.

Town!mastina will be dead by day 3 or day 4. You should know that. No reason to wagon her. Bad post.

This kinda feels like it might be bussing.

+1 TGP has major scum equity.

[MathBlade]

How you doin math?

Outed scum say wha?

[MathBlade]

Norway, how's it going? How's them fjords?

Fjordy.

Hope Ukaota doesn’t show up tonight.

(It’s a Fjord reference)

[MathBlade]

Okay in seriousness pretty sure we need to try to salvage what we can today.

[MathBlade]

Okay in seriousness pretty sure we need to try to salvage what we can today.

salvage? aint it a good day? confscum on a plate

We haven’t had a good day of town lead hunting all game.

[MathBlade]

Okay in seriousness pretty sure we need to try to salvage what we can today.

salvage? aint it a good day? confscum on a plate

We haven’t had a good day of town lead hunting all game.

Pedit I mean town town before Titus throws her complaint “But I’m town”

[MathBlade]

Math, I still want to see your VCA supposing the Alliance is all town.

Already told you VCA is useless without any town direction.

I’d be spewing bs into thread, kinda against my win con to spread bs like that.

[MathBlade]

Titus don't you have to be on wagon? Remember to vote.

You gonna do anything?

[MathBlade]

Then VCA would be worthless. @MM sometimes it’s not the best tool

[MathBlade]

I mean of those 3, it's clearly TGP first.

I'm in favor of Tayl0r but I could just be jilted from last game. I need to run the data.

Oh, no. You beat me to that too. So, what should I do now

to keep the hoods sporadic

?

Oh, YES! FoS someone OUTSIDE those 3. Chemist is Scum. GOOD IDEA me.

This may be weird but I don’t think Chemist is scum.

I don’t see scum shoot DS in a Chemist scum world.

Scum would need an invest that lets them find DS.

[MathBlade]

So I take it everyone has decided fuck hunting and I am the only one trying?

[MathBlade]

Is it bad I can’t tell the MM heads apart and just think of them as one person?

[MathBlade]

This slipped right by me. I'm not necessarily town reading MM either but for the mason group.

Actually, one in each group makes sense.

This explains why scum don't shoot in mason groups. They really wanna sell us on this: "one scum in each of the groups" narrative.

if true, that suggests scum collectively are really not paying attention to the claims.

Would match the inactive/ineffective scum d1 theory I had.

Maybe we’re just assuming scum are good? When we shouldn’t be?

[MathBlade]

Taylor is always scum even when she isn't.

Every post looks like sarcasm, irony or like there's some insular or self-aware joke involved. Even her questions read like this to me.

Also, no, not really I think it's extremely weird that scum aren;t killing in the society.
I mean A50 NK wifom given his statements I can buy and maybe they investigated diamond. But I don't know how the scum team expects to survive when the elimination pool is this narrow.

well this post proves that you get me, but it doesnt prove anything about your ability to sort me.

bell can't read you, she wish she knew what's going through your mind...

I do too.

I keep thinking she scum claims when I read her posts.

Then I have to remember she’s sarcastic.

[MathBlade]

Mechanically, the Masons (Myself, sb & MM) should now be confirmed to EVERYONE.

To the other hood, we've had a scum flip, we have one outed scum, and we have a pool of three than contains at least one scum, which leaves only 3 scum at max to be found according to their mod-provided info.

To everyone else, they either believe the Society (and their mod-provided info) = same as above, or they still doubt them, and if they assume they're still lying then we can't be scum either because that would be too many scums in the game.

I know I could've phrased it a hell lot better, but I'm out of focus right now, so that's all you'll get from me at this time.

I figure you’re more like Switzerland.

[MathBlade]

Mechanically, the Masons (Myself, sb & MM) should now be confirmed to EVERYONE.

To the other hood, we've had a scum flip, we have one outed scum, and we have a pool of three than contains at least one scum, which leaves only 3 scum at max to be found according to their mod-provided info.

To everyone else, they either believe the Society (and their mod-provided info) = same as above, or they still doubt them, and if they assume they're still lying then we can't be scum either because that would be too many scums in the game.

I know I could've phrased it a hell lot better, but I'm out of focus right now, so that's all you'll get from me at this time.

that's actually helpful - i guess we are proper mech conftown now thanks to the other hood.

I hereby deem your hood the Switzerland of the game.

If anyone touches you you’ll have a sad Mathy

[MathBlade]

the society could be town that is wrongly trusting the other hood right? isnt that a possibility?

I mean it’s possible...

Just like gravity could reverse itself just on pigs and pigs fly.

[MathBlade]

WHAT IS YOUR WINCON

Apparently to take my cheese and claim it as their own.

Like their story has so many holes but I still buy it and trust it.

And it tastes good.

[MathBlade]

is there any way after this interaction that Bell could EVER be town?

He is pushing my Swiss cheese.

Maybe it’s really just Bell SS TGP?

[MathBlade]

Yes, but the way you were wording it was outright confusing to me. Because I thought you were all town and that the society wasn’t but then you said you thought they said they were confirmed the same alignment to them too. Which confused me.

Now you're confusing me too. What are you talking about?

everyone's confused. but she's just scum trying to work out what the hell is going on, now they are basically in a position where they can't make any wrong moves.

I think I am confused because there’s too many and too few scum.

[MathBlade]

Like my brain hurts.

[MathBlade]

Ok i don't really like Bell acting like one of the hoods are fine but raising suspicion about the other.

Except that one of the hoods is fine and the other may not be.

Talk it out I gotta work.

[MathBlade]

Too bad drunk Titus can't come out.

Drunk Titus would at least make some sense.

This thread I feel like took a turn to wtf ville

[MathBlade]

at least one of the following players is in

King Doris Donatello's Army

:

• shellyc
  
• Tayl0r Swift
  
• TheGoldenParadox

Honestly I could see this as 1, 2, or even all 3, really.

Also, I hope this is not a lolhammer, but:
VOTE: Pickaxe Pete
Confscum is confscum.

Today's a good day for discussing who the scum are, but I want to actually place my vote on who we'll be removing today.

Mastina are you town?

[MathBlade]

But suffice to say my understanding was that town+ all confirmed, society not but they’re assuming or they are.

Then MM said that Titus, mastina and Nero were all confirmed to each other.

They say they are all confirmed to be the same alignment.
Ergo= From THEIR point of view they have no traitors/no scum in their group.
But from our perspective we don't know anything about what's actually going on in their group as we only have their words to go from.
So they all have same allignment and wincon but we don't know for sure what they are, although they state they are townsiding and seem to be doing so. And they are most likely not a part of Gamma's army group.

So they’re town cool. I think? *confused like it’s 2010*

[MathBlade]

mastina hasn't been particularly scummy in this game - she's been exactly like her town-self, aside from being a lot less active.

I'm being my normal active self, but being a lot less controlling, for good reason; I fucked up on April and was a PP defender until last night, sooooooo.

I don't trust myself to lead the town, so I'm trying to be a bit more passive/supportive.

On that note I did have a theorycrafting wheel start spinning in my head but I need to catch up and give it time to sit to get the gear really turning.

I feel like all these hoods are a race to the bottom tbh.

Did you guys get a power or any weird machination to share?

[MathBlade]

and how do you know what roles scum have?

For the record, someone suggested there was a scum rolecop either on D2 or D3, but I don't remember who.

Scum shooting DS who if he 'crumbed nobody in the 7 thought to point these crumbs out and thus likely didn't see them meaning they probably weren't there, seems to support the rolecop theory, because if the collective town didn't figure out he was the vig, how would the scum have figured it out with such confidence as to shoot an unconfirmed player? Ergo, that player was probably correct.

Then this confirms Chemist as town probably
And so far I have only been wrong on Jjh

Cries in sads

[MathBlade]

I am legit confused.

Like what is this game?

I feel drunk yet just clocked out from work.

[MathBlade]

i mean masons will have a majority tomorrow, so it might already be too late.

wait youre saying we should kill in the masons? arent you a mason?

I mean there's definitely a faction that needs to kill the masons...

(I so wanna call this a scumslip, just 'cuz.)

I mean are you like sure?

If there is they’ve been doing a piss poor job at killing any claimed masons.

[MathBlade]

Tayl0r are you gonna post or just quote my ingenious.

ive been shitposting hard for the past hour or so

i feel like everyone has been shitposting for pretty much the last 200 pages.

I feel like that too Except I haven’t been

[MathBlade]

Tayl0r are you gonna post or just quote my ingenious.

ive been shitposting hard for the past hour or so

i feel like everyone has been shitposting for pretty much the last 200 pages.

I feel like that too Except I haven’t been

is it wrong that I'm getting "defeated scum" vibes from you today?

Yes.

If I was scum I would be laughing at all the shit posting burying actual attempts at play.

[MathBlade]

Pickaxe Pete (5): MathBlade, Morning Mage, Titus, TheGoldenParadox, mastina

@Math
@MM
@TGP

If you could unvote I'd much appreciate it. You could revote at will after Nero has voted. Thank you.

VOTE: Unvote

As my king wishes

[MathBlade]

Tayl0r are you gonna post or just quote my ingenious.

ive been shitposting hard for the past hour or so

i feel like everyone has been shitposting for pretty much the last 200 pages.

I feel like that too Except I haven’t been

is it wrong that I'm getting "defeated scum" vibes from you today?

Yes.

If I was scum I would be laughing at all the shit posting burying actual attempts at play.

i dunno, i think if you were scum you'd be disappointed at having put in proper effort only to be let down by crappy teammates and a seemingly unbalanced setup.

Nah. I have broken the setup ages ago tbh.

Just no one would believe me if I said what it was and would be antitown to share sooooo.

[MathBlade]

Tayl0r are you gonna post or just quote my ingenious.

ive been shitposting hard for the past hour or so

i feel like everyone has been shitposting for pretty much the last 200 pages.

I feel like that too Except I haven’t been

is it wrong that I'm getting "defeated scum" vibes from you today?

Yes.

If I was scum I would be laughing at all the shit posting burying actual attempts at play.

i dunno, i think if you were scum you'd be disappointed at having put in proper effort only to be let down by crappy teammates and a seemingly unbalanced setup.

Nah. I have broken the setup ages ago tbh.

Just no one would believe me if I said what it was and would be antitown to share sooooo.

i'm listening dude

Not yet. Trust me. I got you fam.

[MathBlade]

If you broke the game why do you want me to help you solve rn math?

Because I understand HOW it’s balanced doesn’t mean I know WHO goes where

[MathBlade]

now who's overdoing it

Yes you did quite brilliantly my lord.

You have shitposted brilliantly.

[MathBlade]

Words on a screen can be more meaningful than you realize.

^
There's a damn good reason site staff will ban for ableism, racism, sexism, transphobia, homophobia, and other forms of bigotry, from bigots who post words on a screen. The words on the screen carry meaning that can and will hurt.

...are you suggesting that i am a bigot?

Nah, just making a generic point (wasn't directed at you, was more just of an 'in-general' sort of thing); words carry meaning in that they can be loaded with harmful hurtful bigotry, so it's best to be aware that they do indeed carry meaning. The age-old statement of "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me", as it turns out, isn't actually true because words

can

hurt people.

But this is probably a topic better suited for a GD/Speakeasy thread rather than a talking point in a mafia game.

Please. Some of these posts tangentially hurt me and I wanna wrap you up in a feels blanket and go it’s fine.

[MathBlade]

Oh, so none of you can be scum unless all of you are scum is what you’re saying?

Correct.

And since none of us are scum and scum refuse to kill us...well. Their funeral. Quite literally.

They've nobody to blame for being poe'd but themselves for leaving the townbloc untouched.

Agreed.

I guess they expected me and Titus to rip into each other for about our 4.5 day average (hyperbole joke)

[MathBlade]

this game’s a lot closer to being solved and almost inescapably solved?

Shouldn’t the scum team concede?
Can they even win anymore?

they can't win, yes they should definitely concede

Scum should clearly concede why haven’t they?

What is up with their scum kills?

[MathBlade]

Clearly there’s something worth investigating imho because IF my theory is right something will happen tonight.

Huge if.

Watch me die

Fuck

[MathBlade]

this game’s a lot closer to being solved and almost inescapably solved?

Shouldn’t the scum team concede?
Can they even win anymore?

they can't win, yes they should definitely concede

Scum should clearly concede why haven’t they?

What is up with their scum kills?

skills? or did you mean kills?

Sure let’s go with both. Whatever floats your three person boat.

[MathBlade]

Clearly there’s something worth investigating imho because IF my theory is right something will happen tonight.

Huge if.

Watch me die

Fuck

hmm you promised me it would be ok fam

It’ll be okay for you always <3

But for me....


That's me in the corner
That's me in the spotlight
Losing my non shot posting
Trying to keep up with you
And I don't know if I can do it
Oh no, I've said too much
I haven't said enough

[MathBlade]

Clearly there’s something worth investigating imho because IF my theory is right something will happen tonight.

Huge if.

Watch me die

Fuck

hmm you promised me it would be ok fam

It’ll be okay for you always <3

But for me....


That's me in the corner
That's me in the spotlight
Losing my non shot posting
Trying to keep up with you
And I don't know if I can do it
Oh no, I've said too much
I haven't said enough

excellent, give me some more to work with

You’re good if I die fam.

Looking back it’s unlikely.

But if I do you’re gold.

If not, stick with me. <3

[MathBlade]

Oh no. I killed the thread again. It died a horrible death.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: PP

This is a vote for Pete so I can vote Pete now yeah?

Titus hood has their wincon all set up?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Pete

Someone will tell me if I am wrong

[MathBlade]

let math vote Pete but, he needs all the town cred he can get.

Why thank you Mr. scummy mcscum butt (joke)

[MathBlade]

harsh words!

I know. So harsh.

Almost like I think he’s not scum or something.

[MathBlade]

only 5 unclaimed...should we massclaim?

Critical Role time!

Nope. No where near lylo.

Stop being scummy.

[MathBlade]

I mean elo sorry*

[MathBlade]

Who's the 6th confirmed townie.
I feel like scum for asking this.
But I expect to be getting' some shit.

Titus,Nero,A50’s hood, Norway are all confirmed not Army.

VOTE: Shellyc

I wholeheartedly agree. Shelly imho scumslipped hard eod.

[MathBlade]

Repeating:
Town+
: A50, SB, MM.

Town:
Norwe:
Bell.

Achieved win condition:
Titus, Nerocain. Mastina. Town siding.

Why no announcement?

They said earlier that they had to win with town and do that iirc.

[MathBlade]

I'm on a quest to be able to Read shellyC and I did not see her scum game. This game.
._.
I guess she was salty at the set up.

@Pedit; Oh, okay Math.

Just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not there.

[MathBlade]

I'm on a quest to be able to Read shellyC and I did not see her scum game. This game.
._.
I guess she was salty at the set up.

@Pedit; Oh, okay Math.

Makes sense. I can deffo see that based on EoD.

[MathBlade]

That’s when scum bite you. Be careful.

Don’t get too eager and too far ahead. One day at a time.

[MathBlade]

I will have to do some double checking later if one of my theories holds but at first glance TGP’s math seems right.

[MathBlade]

Pretty much if a few things are X then I agree with TGP
If they are Y I don’t. So I can’t say without maths.

[MathBlade]

If it's scum controlled they clearly are forced to not repeat the same 3 names or there are additional rules.

Trying to guess the mod or guess scum is bad before a flip.

Just take it one day at a time.

[MathBlade]

Okay math,
Imo, It's shelly, DiamondC and I dunno who the other one is.
They both sound salty about the set up.

*facepalm* pretty sure diamond isn’t scum.

[MathBlade]

Lmfao. I don’t know if you’re caught or that’s the biggest townslip. Leaning latter.

[MathBlade]

doesnt matter if lolhammer scumpool is too small this is solved i trust the hoods

Here this post.

Shelly says the scum pool is too small afterward.

Between that and how fast the posts were from her and Pete it reeks of a quick end of day.

[MathBlade]

Titus is very racist. She called Math a town beard. That term is very offensive to my glorious neckbeard.

Hahahaha that’s not racist. That’s just typical Titus.

I would be worried if she thought I was good town.

Oh and Nero where is Shelly then if she is town?

This is her usual posting time and crickets.

[MathBlade]

Well, the day just started and its ???? time in asia so....

Iso her like I did.

This is her normal time to be online.

And Asia doesn’t celebrate Halloween I don’t think.

[MathBlade]

I think whoever did the pairings if town did a good job and if scum did a shit job.

[MathBlade]

6807 was a joke so I dunno why you are acting like it wasn't

Because my joke detector is broken and I will always defend my sister from attacks on her character as a person.

[MathBlade]

Oh and Nero where is Shelly then if she is town?

but this line is pretty dumb and manipulative.

?? I don’t see how either one applies.

Do go on.

She’s not online after day open turns on her. That’s a very typical “Ahhh what do I do?” Scum response

[MathBlade]

but Bell got that it was a joke.

Bell isn’t an Aspie like me.

I will always err on the side of defending my sister.

If it’s a joke make it funny next time.

[MathBlade]

you honestly thought I thought your sister was racist b/c she's she called you a town beard? lol I don't really buy that

Too bad. I don’t care what you buy. I would rather make sure to heal any issues than accidentally leave you with the impression my sister is bad.

[MathBlade]

Can we like not spam the thread please?

[MathBlade]

in fairness, I did come away with the idea that scum are in chemist, shelly, bell and S_S but Math hard pushing a shelly elimination is kinda yucky.

(In the tone of a seven year old)
Nuh uh your play is icky. Not Townie at all Mr. 3P. What are you gonna do for that sick burn? *Tssss*

[MathBlade]

Can we like not spam the thread please?

has nearly 800 posts. Tells

ME

not to spam.

Yes. I can rapidly post and have it not be spam.

You however lack the skills.

[MathBlade]

im town

as i said its TGP/S_S/Taylor

chemist takes over if one of this is wrong
unless this is setting up a chainlynch on TGP and TGP is town (I don't see that yet) and its S_S/taylor/chemist

How did you get there? Let me pretend you’re town.

[MathBlade]

math why do you think a mason died over you?

Because I am math.

I don’t get shot ever.

[MathBlade]

Plus mason and like numbers lol

[MathBlade]

VOTE:

Tayl0r Swift

Random Nero be random?

[MathBlade]

Because I am math.

I don’t get shot ever.

I think you can understand my skepticism

Expect, yes. Understand no.

There’s 3-6 conf town and you’re wondering why a not conf town didn’t get shot?

There are certain things that shouldn’t be pushed. If scum are dumb ffs let scum be dumb.

[MathBlade]

I could imagine a scenario where Bell and Math hard bus their scum buddy. Thus Sheely is right that she's being pushed by scum.

Math being so confident and trying to rush is pretty bad and Bell mocking her is equally bad.

1) Him
2) no. I get you know I am good scum. But not even I would be that brazen.

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I can also imagine a scenario where Nero wakes up and stops being annoying.

I don’t think it’s going to happen lol.

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I called Shelly her. Stop trying to gain sympathy by falsy claiming that im misgendering you.

Sorry I misread it’s midnight

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lets get confscum TGP first ok nero?

we can get 3 scumflips in a row that way

Again, please don’t think about this like that.

Chaining lynches is almost certainly bad.

I think you and TGP are both scum and could go for either.

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Chaining lynches is almost certainly bad.

says the person that

did

want to chain lynch jjh, ddl and PP. So why don't you want to chain lynch this group?

Uhm no? I wanted to restrict focus in those three and if we fucked up then continue on.

Huge difference.

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Eliminate, lunch, space, end, assassinate.

Cmon' the mods nice nough to mod for us. Least we can do is respect his wishes.

math vote tgp then

if ur confident about tgp scum why are you pushing my slot first instead of tgp? and calling tgp scum without effort to push there at all?

Because you’re imho the most likely.
If TGP gets more people I would hop over no problem.

Sorry my bad.

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mastina was Destructed in the night! she was a

Tracker Appointer* from the Henry P. Jurgenssen Society.

at least one of the following players is in

King Doris Donatello's Army

:

• Chemist1422
  
• shellyc
  
• TheGoldenParadox

*once, at night, is able to make a certain player a full tracker in addition to their other abilities

....

I am just gonna sit down somewhere that isn’t this ridiculousness.

Good night

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blame Titus.

Its not all bad, I mean we may miss our wincon but at least town will win so...

I will

NEVER

vote Taylor here because of this post.

Nero claimed 3P siding town. This reads to me like Nero’s hood is full of BS.

I cannot and will not believe that Nero is gamethrowing his own wincon so then the only option I have is Taylor is lock town.

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Nero said he doesn’t care about his wincon.

This means he is 100% gamethrowing here.

Nero claimed 3P townsiding.

If gamethrowing he is scumsiding.

This means Taylor has to be town.

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Where's the logic in: "I suspect a 3P wanting to eliminate X, therefore X is absolutely 100% TOWN and never scum"
That really doesn't make sense.

If this was a regular push I 100% agree.

But Nero said he may lose (means he doesn’t give a shit about his wincon) therefore he is blatantly scum siding/game throwing. I will never help someone do that.

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I don’t respond to someone saying they’ve given up on winning either. Y’all are a ton of sheep not even reading posts anymore. That’s painfully obvious.

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Instead of doing this, why not ask him to clarify what he meant by what he said?

There is nothing to clarify imho. I quoted it and I read it.

I do not see any other way to interpret it.

He is welcome to give his own.

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Might as well just say it at this point.
Any of our recruited members have the ability to suicide without ending the day by bolding it in the hood PT. We recruited Tayl0r explicitly for this purpose as we were planning on using this ability to lower the PoE faster without letting scum nightkill conf!town. But Taylor is refusing to comply.

You mean Taylor doesn’t want to die despite your hood’s reads being shit all game?

This game is practically a lock for us if we just go through the eliminations and down the PoE and now the Titus hood says “Hey if you don’t want to Suicide which would be antiwincon you’re scum”

I swear I am reading the most stupid shit.

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Like you’re wagoning someone for not dying to reduce PoE when literally any Townie dying reduces PoE sure. But it also gives scum a chance to fuckin win.

This game should be on damn lock. I do not follow what the fuck the hood is doing.

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....
They're accelerating the game that from my perspective can only really be a good thing.
She can also control who she blows up on, so they're giving her the option to pick whoever she wants.
If she's scum she should just explode on one of the town or whatever.
If she's town, she's got pretty good shot of just hitting scum.

That’s literally not what Norway’s post says.

It says she just dies. Nothing about a Vig.

No one ever just “suicides”.

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This game is practically a lock for us if we just go through the eliminations and down the PoE

And how is this not exactly what we are doing?

Because the game is on lock if it’s lynch,kill,lynch,kill

It is not on lock if random townies die all over the place giving scum a second kill.

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And your shit theory of "Nero wanted Taylor to die all along" is a lie because Nero didn't even really care about which player was hooded and actually said they'd be fine not recruiting anyone at all.

Do you mean which Townie got hooded?

Because that’s exactly what that sounds like.

Then he has to follow up Titus’s bs because I would smell Titus lying a mile away?

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It says she just dies. Nothing about a Vig.

No one ever just “suicides”.

She dies and the day doesn't end. We can either eliminate two suspicious slots in a row or confirm that Tayl0r is scum.

Lol that’s so antitown it’s not even funny. Think about it from the other side. No one ever suicides because it gives scum a second free kill out of that and a chance to escape their doom. Sure if the hood is townsiding which I doubt it reduces THEIR PoE.

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It's literally never in your interest to suicide.
I don't think the information trade was worth it.
But I mean, I don't really care.

This. 100% this.

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You’re thinking your hood’s plan is amazing who would resist?

That has been the thinking the entire fuckin game.

I resisted April lynch therefore scum.
Diamond Sentinel resisted therefore scum.
Taylor resists suiciding for no return therefore scum.

How about your hood pulls it’s head out of its own butt and actually tries to put itself in another person’s shoes rather than being the holiest of holy?

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They’re 3P NOT TOWN.

This to me reads like their wincon was a bunch of malarkey and they just have to survive until the end of the game, are pissed off they accidentally townsided too hard and are trying to eliminate town.

Occam’s razor. Simplest answer is most likely the right one.

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Now if you gave someone a Vig when they suicided I could see that maaaaaybe being okay but risky AF. As it stands this Suicide is -EV. No one town or scum ever takes you up on that plan. Scumreading them for that is rather stupid at best, malicious at worst and I am really really struggling as to how this is just stupid and if I have to struggle that much the right answer is maliciousness.

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They’re 3P NOT TOWN.

This to me reads like their wincon was a bunch of malarkey and they just have to survive until the end of the game, are pissed off they accidentally townsided too hard and are trying to eliminate town.

Occam’s razor. Simplest answer is most likely the right one.

If we have to survive until the end of the game, and town is winning, it makes sense to continue to townside.

Townsiding is getting two executes per day.

That's why Taylor must suicide or be executed.

That’s literally scum siding.

Scum for all intents and purposes cannot win if we lynch kill lynch kill.

Forcing suicides gives lynch two kill.

Scum can win there.