Open 800 - Donner Party | Game Over

[Guillotina]

Hi guys. First game here.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

Sup dude!

[Guillotina]

Wait... deadline is 9 DAYS? 9... days? lol Like... Day 1 is made of 10 days?

[Guillotina]

Wait... deadline is 9 DAYS? 9... days? lol Like... Day 1 is made of 10 days?

I don't understand the question.

But yes, we have longer dayphases here than a lot of other sites do.
It's so worth!

Yah sorry it's just.. I've never played a 10 day phase game before so, I needed to confirm what my eyes saw.

[Guillotina]

Yah sorry it's just.. I've never played a 10 day phase game before so, I needed to confirm what my eyes saw.

wait so what is ur prfpc exactly?

-curiousbearbear

Hmm, you are gonna have to speak plainly... I'm super bad with abbreviations.

[Guillotina]

prfpc = profile pic

and its a guillotine...

Yup. And I was serious about what I said, the longest phase I have ever played before this is 72/24 hours.

[Guillotina]

Wait... deadline is 9 DAYS? 9... days? lol Like... Day 1 is made of 10 days?

I don't understand the question.

But yes, we have longer dayphases here than a lot of other sites do.
It's so worth!

Yah sorry it's just.. I've never played a 10 day phase game before so, I needed to confirm what my eyes saw.

Understandable! It was a big adjustment when I first came to the site. It allows for a far better quality of game though, if you ask me

Looking forward to the experience

[Guillotina]

Hi guys. First game here.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

Sup dude!

Have you played before? Do you have any questions before I forget you're a newbie and just treat you like a peer?

I've played and hosted games before but not for long. I've been playing since May this year so... compared to players with decades of experience, I'm a newbie still.

[Guillotina]

Snoooooooore

@guillotine where you played before did you scumread people who posted four pages of nothing?

If you refer to noise, sometimes, in a game of 48 hour days. I don't know what's consider noise in games with day phases this long.

Hi guys. First game here.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

Sup dude!

@guil also do you know Tommy?

We've played games together in another site.

[Guillotina]

I'm also immediately paranoid of Guillo being an experienced played pretending to be new, but it's just a

feeling

.

Guillo, why didn't you play any newbie games?

For a few reasons.

1) This site's layout is still confusing to me.
2) Because I wanted to join a game, whichever came first.
3) I learn faster playing with experienced players so even if I knew there were newbie games, I would have still joined this one.

Question: I wouldn't have joined if I found out it was a 10-day-Day Phase though. Are newbie games shorter?

-tabletop

I got the impression that was off-site. You don't think it's fair to ask why he didn't join the newbie queue if he still considers himself a newbie?

It's fair, just irrelevant and a tiny bit suspicious.

-tabletop

[Guillotina]

Crap i responded inside the quotes. 100% karma.

I'm also immediately paranoid of Guillo being an experienced played pretending to be new, but it's just a

feeling

.

Guillo, why didn't you play any newbie games?

For a few reasons.

1) This site's layout is still confusing to me.
2) Because I wanted to join a game, whichever came first.
3) I learn faster playing with experienced players so even if I knew there were newbie games, I would have still joined this one.

Question: I wouldn't have joined if I found out it was a 10-day-Day Phase though. Are newbie games shorter?

-tabletop

I got the impression that was off-site. You don't think it's fair to ask why he didn't join the newbie queue if he still considers himself a newbie?

It's fair, just irrelevant and a tiny bit suspicious.

-tabletop

[Guillotina]

Crap i responded inside the quotes. 100% karma.

I'm also immediately paranoid of Guillo being an experienced played pretending to be new, but it's just a

feeling

.

Guillo, why didn't you play any newbie games?

For a few reasons.

1) This site's layout is still confusing to me.
2) Because I wanted to join a game, whichever came first.
3) I learn faster playing with experienced players so even if I knew there were newbie games, I would have still joined this one.

Question: I wouldn't have joined if I found out it was a 10-day-Day Phase though. Are newbie games shorter?

-tabletop

I got the impression that was off-site. You don't think it's fair to ask why he didn't join the newbie queue if he still considers himself a newbie?

It's fair, just irrelevant and a tiny bit suspicious.

-tabletop

bit defensive. Might agree with squiggles on a SR here

-nornor

Actually no. Think about it. An experienced player who is a newbie to the site they are playing, is an experienced player's nightmare at the site they are a regular on.

It makes me unpredictable and scum want as much control of the room as possible, so unpredictability is something they want to avoid. This is why newbies always die first and this is why your push on me is a tiny bit suspicious.

[Guillotina]

Spoiler:

Crap i responded inside the quotes. 100% karma.

I'm also immediately paranoid of Guillo being an experienced played pretending to be new, but it's just a

feeling

.

Guillo, why didn't you play any newbie games?

For a few reasons.

1) This site's layout is still confusing to me.
2) Because I wanted to join a game, whichever came first.
3) I learn faster playing with experienced players so even if I knew there were newbie games, I would have still joined this one.

Question: I wouldn't have joined if I found out it was a 10-day-Day Phase though. Are newbie games shorter?

-tabletop

I got the impression that was off-site. You don't think it's fair to ask why he didn't join the newbie queue if he still considers himself a newbie?

It's fair, just irrelevant and a tiny bit suspicious.

-tabletop

bit defensive. Might agree with squiggles on a SR here

-nornor

Actually no. Think about it. An experienced player who is a newbie to the site they are playing, is an experienced player's nightmare at the site they are a regular on.

It makes me unpredictable and scum want as much control of the room as possible, so unpredictability is something they want to avoid. This is why newbies always die first and this is why your push on me is a tiny bit suspicious.

Lol what'd you say? Newbies always die first? Whats with this lame ass AtE? Hope you realize that Im prolly newer than you considering you had played mafia on another site. My first time playing mafia was on this site so even if my start date is a bit earlier than yours, im more new than you unless u spent like two weeks on your old site :/

-dontuseAtEonme

^this AtE only works if I believe you are newer than me which I currently dont unfortunately

-nornor

Now who is being defensive? Im talking from my personal experience, that's all. I havent been to a site where i'm new and i dont get lynch first, so i figured it must be because it makes me unpredictable threat to scum. Unluckily for scum in this particular game is that it is a 10-day one so i got plenty of time to study you.

[Guillotina]

Spoiler:

Crap i responded inside the quotes. 100% karma.

I'm also immediately paranoid of Guillo being an experienced played pretending to be new, but it's just a

feeling

.

Guillo, why didn't you play any newbie games?

For a few reasons.

1) This site's layout is still confusing to me.
2) Because I wanted to join a game, whichever came first.
3) I learn faster playing with experienced players so even if I knew there were newbie games, I would have still joined this one.

Question: I wouldn't have joined if I found out it was a 10-day-Day Phase though. Are newbie games shorter?

-tabletop

I got the impression that was off-site. You don't think it's fair to ask why he didn't join the newbie queue if he still considers himself a newbie?

It's fair, just irrelevant and a tiny bit suspicious.

-tabletop

bit defensive. Might agree with squiggles on a SR here

-nornor

Actually no. Think about it. An experienced player who is a newbie to the site they are playing, is an experienced player's nightmare at the site they are a regular on.

It makes me unpredictable and scum want as much control of the room as possible, so unpredictability is something they want to avoid. This is why newbies always die first and this is why your push on me is a tiny bit suspicious.

Lol what'd you say? Newbies always die first? Whats with this lame ass AtE? Hope you realize that Im prolly newer than you considering you had played mafia on another site. My first time playing mafia was on this site so even if my start date is a bit earlier than yours, im more new than you unless u spent like two weeks on your old site :/

-dontuseAtEonme

^this AtE only works if I believe you are newer than me which I currently dont unfortunately

-nornor

Now who is being defensive? Im talking from my personal experience, that's all. I havent been to a site where i'm new and i dont get lynch first, so i figured it must be because it makes me unpredictable threat to scum. Unluckily for scum in this particular game is that it is a 10-day one so i got plenty of time to study you.

You can't pull your noob card out if someone newer hasn't pulled it yet. Jus doesn't work bud.

-Nornortheinfant

I didnt know there was a noob card to pull. I am what i am whether you want to accept it or not, but I smell fear in your behavior and I'm gonna figure out why.

[Guillotina]

im a noob and it means i cant possibly be scum. pls no vote

Wrong statement.

I owned a group of highly experienced players in a game where i was a mafia goon and a noob.

Just like im gonna own a group of wolves in this one as a newbie town. Don't underestimate the power of noobs.

[Guillotina]

im a noob and it means i cant possibly be scum. pls no vote

Wrong statement.

I owned a group of highly experienced players in a game where i was a mafia goon and a noob.

Just like im gonna own a group of wolves in this one as a newbie town. Don't underestimate the power of noobs.

nono you dont understand. im not saying thats what youre saying. you are clearly not claiming to be a noob (at least after being pressed).

im saying im legit a noob and they dont let me roll scum yet which means im 100% town and please leave me alone

I never said that you said that that's what I was saying lol. Also i never said that im not a noob, only that i consider myself one compared to players that have played this for decades! I continue making noob mistakes in the other site and i just made one here (answering inside quotes).
I am a noob HERE, cause i am, this is my first game HERE.

vote]Tayl0r Swift[/vote]

Your first comment was a rather opportunistic and shady. You jumped in the middle of our convo to post a halftone remark and throw shade on me instead of posting something valuable to the subject. I was scum to jump in but i was not too hopeful because a good scum does not usually fall for that trap.

If you are a noob then you are obvious scum and if you are not, then suck at being scum.

So you are gonna remain in my PoE list until you show me traits that are characteristic of town and that perhaps that comment was just you being a smartass.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

[Guillotina]

Correction: i was expecting scum to jump in

[Guillotina]

This is why I said I was throwing the newbie tells in the garbage

Smart. Tells can be faked

[Guillotina]

i dont think you read my post. because if you had read my post youd see that the listmods have stated that im not allowed to roll scum. so im town in every single game. check my completed games. i was town in all of them. check my egosearch. you wont see any scum PTs. usually im an IC, so this whole not being mod-confirmed thing is strange.

Whaaat? I didnt know that was a thing. So...where can i see the listmods? I dont see it in the OP

[Guillotina]

i dont think you read my post. because if you had read my post youd see that the listmods have stated that im not allowed to roll scum. so im town in every single game. check my completed games. i was town in all of them. check my egosearch. you wont see any scum PTs. usually im an IC, so this whole not being mod-confirmed thing is strange.

Whaaat? I didnt know that was a thing. So...where can i see the listmods? I dont see it in the OP

memberlist.php?mode=leaders

Let me rephrase, where can i see where they stated that you cannot roll scum, ever?

[Guillotina]

i dont think you read my post. because if you had read my post youd see that the listmods have stated that im not allowed to roll scum. so im town in every single game. check my completed games. i was town in all of them. check my egosearch. you wont see any scum PTs. usually im an IC, so this whole not being mod-confirmed thing is strange.

Whaaat? I didnt know that was a thing. So...where can i see the listmods? I dont see it in the OP

memberlist.php?mode=leaders

Let me rephrase, where can i see where they stated that you cannot roll scum, ever?

oh its a secret thing. they didnt say it publicly or people would get upset. obviously.

Then i dont believe you.

[Guillotina]

check my meta. always town.

So? It just means your luck rands you town.

I spent 3 months always randing town before i randed wolf the first time.

[Guillotina]

i dont think you read my post. because if you had read my post youd see that the listmods have stated that im not allowed to roll scum. so im town in every single game. check my completed games. i was town in all of them. check my egosearch. you wont see any scum PTs. usually im an IC, so this whole not being mod-confirmed thing is strange.

Whaaat? I didnt know that was a thing. So...where can i see the listmods? I dont see it in the OP

Bro. you can't actually believe this....

-nowaynoraa

I dont

[Guillotina]

I dont

uh huh I sure see that.

-sarcasticmeanbear

That's great! Glad you do. Any helpful posts or are you gonna keep posting noise? Or should i wait for one of the other three heads and hope that's the bright one?

[Guillotina]

I can see now why they elim you first every game buddy... you are clearly too dynamic a thinker for scum to leave around

I'll take that as a compliment and true, town also won those games because my death was informative to them. Either way. It's a win-win and 10 days in a god given gift for someone like me.

[Guillotina]

If i was in scum's shoes i'd yeet me as soon as possible.

Do days end early upon reaching majority here?

[Guillotina]

Actually no. Think about it. An experienced player who is a newbie to the site they are playing, is an experienced player's nightmare at the site they are a regular on.

It makes me unpredictable and scum want as much control of the room as possible, so unpredictability is something they want to avoid. This is why newbies always die first and this is why your push on me is a tiny bit suspicious.

This take is pretty valid; it’s also why replacements tend to get killed when other options aren’t very compelling.

Yah, replacements are a problem for scum, imagine wolves spending time hard pocketing someone and then they sub out and someone with a clear view of the pocket in question outs them. Happens often!

Now imagine a new member joining your homesite where you spent months if not years providing and gathering meta to control the opponent when you rand wolf and out them when you rand town, and this new player joins a game with non of that and outs you solely based on your behavior in that specific game. That gotta suck! This is when you find wolves casting votes on you for the most ridiculous reasons! Does it ring a bell? No? Keep reading.

Then i dont believe you.

The fact you even started to take the bait on that bothers me

I'm new here, i don't know anyone but Thomas here, so forgive me for not catching troll-like jokes from outed scum.

VOTE: Guillotina
Between taking a joke a bit too seriously and having a pretty hard LAMIST tone I’m okay with this going aorn

This sounds like you tried hard to find a reason to find me scum, cast a ridiculous vote on me and see if it gains momentum. This gets you lynched where i come from.

[Guillotina]

Guilottina do u come from the werewolf mafia site?

-curiousbear

No.

[Guillotina]

This sounds like you tried hard to find a reason to find me scum, cast a ridiculous vote on me and see if it gains momentum. This gets you lynched where i come from.

You really think you SCARE me? I eat players like you for breakfast. And I don’t think I had to “try hard” to find those reasons. The joke thing is self-evident and as for why it’s scummy, scum don’t really have the mental bandwidth to be figuring out what is and isn’t a joke effectively, they’re to busy trying to deceive everyone to allocate that brainpower. It’s not exactly scientific but it’s what I’ve discerned over time. And your LAMIST behavior comes from stuff like 162 where it seems a little theatrical to be making that sort of commentary, to the point I find it likely that it is actively staged. The desire to project a townie mindset seems a little TOO strong imo.

Interesting choice of words. “I eat players like you for breakfast” in a game where scum are the cannibals. I know that remark is NAI but it was so funny! Lol.

Let's break this down from a psychological stand point.

1) “You really think you SCARE me”? Denotes that you felt threatened by my words. Why?
2) “I eat players like you for breakfast”. You felt the need to threaten me. Why?
3) “I don't think i had to “try hard” to find those reasons”. Implies doubt, meaning you did try hard to find those reasons.
4) “The joke is self-evident”. Even if it was I don't see how falling for a joke is alignment indicative.

Then the nonsense and vastly hilarious.

5) “scum don’t really have the mental bandwidth to be figuring out what is and isn’t a joke effectively”. Are you really gonna case me for not catching a joke? Lol. Ok, that one is a joke! See? I'm town.
6)”they are trying to deceive everyone to allocate that brainpower”. In the name of the entire mafia players community, i apologize for the ignorant statement of this player, he called you all dumb when you randed wolf and won your respective games, he even called himself dumb in the process.
7) “It's not exactly scientific but it's what i've discerned overtime”. I can see you are the very embodiment of genius.
8) “And your LAMIST behavior comes from stuff like 162 where it seems like a little theatrical”. LAMIST only applies if I was wolf which I'm not. I'm strong in my opinions and I'm a badass player. If you are town, you should spend less time hating on me and more on helping catching wolves.
And if you are scum, I can only hope that your partner is not Tayl0r Swift, otherwise, you are both screwed because you suck.

[Guillotina]

so based on the games i've seen him play, i think guillotina is of town alignment regardless of his accuracy in pushes, folks

Sup bud! Thanks for the pocket! I mean... the endorsement.

[Guillotina]

guillotina, can you read and explain your thoughts on my interaction with superbowl and the hydra slot

I'll read again and give some thoughts...if any. But not today. I'm tired and I spent my entire brainpower not catching Tayl0r Swift's joke and downgrading my intellectual level so Gamma could understand me. I'm gonna catch some sleep.

[Guillotina]

I'm a badass player.

And if you are scum, I can only hope that your partner is not Tayl0r Swift, otherwise, you are both screwed because you suck.

im cracking up

[Guillotina]

This site is getting on my nerves, i had collected posts in a multiquote for questions and comments i wanted to post and they are gone.
Do Q+ vanish when you go to the next page? It does not save?

[Guillotina]

Hi guys. First game here.

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

Sup dude!

Have you played before? Do you have any questions before I forget you're a newbie and just treat you like a peer?

this feels like a townie reaction to me, more genuine and cutting the fluff to get into and advance gamestate

The first 5 pages of this game were indeed trash within the game solving context. Except for this post. His question felt like bootlicking and town-reading it as genuine was...odd. When a game starts i only think there are townies and scum.
Newbies, experienced, women, men, hydras are terms that become completely irrelevant once a game starts. You dont worry about if someone is a newbie, worry if he is scum or not.

Bootlicking could be an attempt to pocket someone so, a bit suspicious.

[Guillotina]

Oh you just responded out of order. We played in the Merchant’s Daughter game, we were scum together

Tbh that delayed response has me like :S

wait btw did we win? wasnt Nancy Drew there

yeah we won

Interesting choice of words. “I eat players like you for breakfast” in a game where scum are the cannibals. I know that remark is NAI but it was so funny! Lol.

Disregarding the rest of the post rn because it’s probably weaksauce nonsense, why call this out if you don’t feel it’s alignment indicative at all? If I’m trying to legitimately send a message with that, it places me in a small set of players where if I’m town, it would be advised to not call such a thing out. I wasn’t exactly subtle about it, but you felt compelled to call it out for no constructive purpose. If you are town all you are doing is sounding like a smug smartass by calling something out like this. All you’re doing in that case is signaling that you’re desperate for validation of your intelligence. Which kinda lines up with the attitude you’ve already put out.

I stated why i called it out, it's in the post you quoted.

Because it was funny!

I don't believe you didnt read the entire post considering how fixated you are onto me. So saying that you disregard the rest of the post because it's probably weaksause, is bullshit and you know it.
I think we are looking at a case of measuring whose penis is bigger here. You got a horse size one and a got a two inches one, there. Your ego wins, can we now catch scum?

Yes, this means i town read you for now because you've been the only one who was not afraid to thunderdome with me and speak your mind freely. It never felt like your words were calculated, it was raw emotion triggered by my riding in a high horse attitude. Scum has been trying to throw shade on me or avoiding me, but you went all head on against me and speaking your mind.

[Guillotina]

Yeah the entire point-by-point response was just twisting everything I said until you could reasonably turn it against me. No thanks, not dignifying that with a proper breakdown.

It was not my intention to twist and turn it against you. It's a habit. I'm a psychologist.

[Guillotina]

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

Ok. I'll bite. What AI content was in the first 5 pages?

[Guillotina]

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

also probably because this site's meta for sod1 sucks? lol

So your approach to D1 is “sit back and let others do the work for me”. Good to know

Ok. I need to understand the figure of speech here.

When you said D1, did you mean real day 1? (The first 24 hours of the game) or Day Phase 1?

[Guillotina]

guillotine feels like they are taking too much risk by being so straight man to be scum

Noraa hasn't scumread me yet so that's a red flag

You are town-reading me for the wrong reasons. There is powerwolfing and there is truthwolfing, how do you know im not one of the two. Put me under proper scrutiny.

I believe the comment about Noraa is due to history between you?

[Guillotina]

I can see now why they elim you first every game buddy... you are clearly too dynamic a thinker for scum to leave around

If i was a town roleblocker i would roleblock you on N1 for this comment. Yah, you also know what this comment means.

[Guillotina]

Yeah the entire point-by-point response was just twisting everything I said until you could reasonably turn it against me. No thanks, not dignifying that with a proper breakdown.

It was not my intention to twist and turn it against you. It's a habit. I'm a psychologist.

That may be so, but you seemed intent to take anything I said the opposite to what I meant if it served to debase my statement. That seems less like proper psychology and more like a self-serving implementation of it.

But setting that aside, it seems you are being genuine here. As such, I’ll let the push go, but I’ll also state I still don’t really rate you. It’s easy to talk a big game, but without proper evidence I can’t tell how well you fit into those big shoes you’re trying to fill.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: Chaos Triforce
Idk if I had been clear on this yet, but I feel like they generally haven’t been impressive, and Noraa in particular seems a bit off I think? To put a pinpoint on one of my issues, I feel like they’re a bit overly defensive about everything.

Nobody can really rate me. I'm unique, unorthodox in my approach and i can change my meta in every game, so judging me based on meta from past games would be pointless too.

This is why i also suspect DoubtingThomas, because he says that based on games he's played with me he thinks I'm town, but he knows i change meta effortlessly in every game and i manipulate meta after the game ends too. He knows this and I know DoubtingThomas can do this as well.
So his willingness to town read me based on meta makes me put him in the null list because ke knows better. He suspects 2 out of 4 people i suspect too, that is why i don't put him in my PoE list yet.

That said, im willing to work with a null read to catch these damn cannibals whim im sure are drooling over the sight of my flesh.

[Guillotina]

YO SUPERBOWL DID YOU RAND SCUM WITHOUT ME!?

You’ll know if you’re dead by tomorrow

I see this specifically coming from scum more than town.

-norbear

Scuuuuuuuuuuuum shaaaaaaaaaaaade

Bowl is undoubtedly town.

Why?

I think those two slots could be w/w .

[Guillotina]

Thomas told me so

Okay.

Why?

I think those two slots could be w/w .

Why not?

Your team is bowl/triforce?

I don't know who my team is but I don't think those two are part of it and tbf your lack of activity is concerning.
If you are still wondering why I think those two are W/W read the goddamn thread and play the game instead of coasting it.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Chaos Triforce

[Guillotina]

Town Leans

• Gamma Force
  Aristophane
  Plusjoyed

Null

• DoubtingThomas
  chkflip
  pob long
  Johnny Farrar

Scum Leans

• Tayl0r Swift
  Chaos Triforce
  superbowl9

[Guillotina]

Yeah the entire point-by-point response was just twisting everything I said until you could reasonably turn it against me. No thanks, not dignifying that with a proper breakdown.

It was not my intention to twist and turn it against you. It's a habit. I'm a psychologist.

Is this a roleclaim?

[Guillotina]

5 pages of no real substance though isn't great

Why is it that this post happens every RVS ever played?? Why do people think they see no content (there is AI content in these pages so idek what ur on in the first place), then instead of generating content just complain about it and dip??? I never understand it

Ok. I'll bite. What AI content was in the first 5 pages?

Not gonna handhold you through how to play the game unless i want your vote somewhere

I'm not asking to handhold me, I'm asking you to make me see something I probably missed. We are all trying to catch scum right?

[Guillotina]

Not gonna handhold you through how to play the game unless i want your vote somewhere

I like this post

I don't.

[Guillotina]

I feel like im in a newbie

We never stop learning so in a sense, we are all noobs.

[Guillotina]

no I don't know you change meta effortlessly. I played with you as a wolf against town in a game I subbed where I didn't notice you that much (lundun bastard) and then that mash where you wolfed against me, no? I dont recall any other games. the ongoing one I honestly barely read anyone

In the lundun game I was a third party, I convinced town to kill the town redirector instead of me, I had to because you pushed my yeet, and I did it by convincing town that you were my top town lean when in fact you were my top scum read, then in the night I arrested you taking you out from the game. If it wasn't because of the modbot error I would have won that game, remember now?

[Guillotina]

Down to elim guillotine just to raise the level of play, you’re posting way too much for someone doing pretty much nothing VOTE: Guillotina

Sounds like a shitty reason to kill a town if you ask me.

[Guillotina]

TWIST: I got 4 scum leans. 3 are in my scum lean list.

I placed the forth scum lean in my town lean to make that player feel comfortable.

I think DT already knows who that is. Has anyone else figured it out?

[Guillotina]

God damn! I keep looking for the menu where to look at the current vote count lol. @Marashu what's the current vote count please?

[Guillotina]

I'm gonna guess it's PJ based on posts regarding him from you? I also don't think Ari's been active enough you'd feel the need to make him feel comfortable.

Bingo!

I'm gonna go deep into their ISO's to see if I can figure out who is the less likely scum out of those 4.

[Guillotina]

@DT given your certainty about PJ, would you say that the Hydra team is spewed town as a result? Or do you think they are w/w and just did pretty good theater?

[Guillotina]

I think DT genuinely believes the point they are making. I’ll pencil them in as town.

Good to know.

How about your personal read list. Do you have one yet?

[Guillotina]

this game is a shitshow rn. im just gonna sheep gamma for today.

Why?

Is it because I town read him and I said that I'm gonna try to find the less likely wolf in my PoE list, and you think sheeping him would make you look less wolfy? Or are you trying to make me suspect him because I suspect you?

[Guillotina]

Yes. Posting it again with adjustment:

town: tay, guillo, dt
weak town: chk, johnny, pj
bleh idk: superb, ari
actually idk: sirius, poblong
scum: chaos

Thank you Gamma.

Why do you town read Taylor? If you already explained it, I missed it, sorry.

[Guillotina]

@DT given your certainty about PJ, would you say that the Hydra team is spewed town as a result? Or do you think they are w/w and just did pretty good theater?

why do you think they are spewed town? because she voted them initially?

i think PJ being scum makes them more likely to be town, but i prob won't clear them. i probably won't push the hydra slot anymore today though

Yes. PJ advocated it for a policy lynch against Chaos, that would piss me off to the point of making a shitstorm, but Chaos took graciously and even said that they are trying hard not to scum read PJ. The reaction is odd.

[Guillotina]

Alright. VOTE: pob long

This guy is awfully quiet. Come play.

[Guillotina]

DT this isnt a normal game, and im thinking the difference is in part because of overly cocky outsiders who are clashing and making no effort to fit in.

Fit in to what? In a game where everyone plays differently, what is the norm for people to fit in?

[Guillotina]

I fucking hate secret alts, can we just kill that?

What do you mean,

no?

/sigh

Guess I'll read.

I think I've only played with Gams and bowl before.

The rest? Be ready for hatefucking. See you soon~

Pedit: WHAT'S UP YOU UGLY SUMBITCH!

Trash post

VOTE: Chaos Triforce

GuEsSiNg WhO tHe SeCrEtS aRe UpSeT mE

Fucking die, thanks. More at 11.

Trash post

>bitching about fluff
>bitching about bitching about fluff
>more fluff

YO SUPERBOWL DID YOU RAND SCUM WITHOUT ME!?

>posturing
>"u suk" "no u"

I literally have nothing to say on p 12. That's a problem.

Trash post

Aristophanes. Get back here and sort some shit.

I believe in you.

Trash pocketing post

Lol uh sure...

I'll be around dw

I'm not worried. I want to eliminate you from my scum pool, but in order to do that I need to see you work.


Superbowl is town.

Trash post. We would like to see you work too.

YO SUPERBOWL DID YOU RAND SCUM WITHOUT ME!?

You’ll know if you’re dead by tomorrow

I see this specifically coming from scum more than town.

-norbear

Scuuuuuuuuuuuum shaaaaaaaaaaaade

Bowl is undoubtedly town.

Trash post

Why isn't he?

Like, case it out for me.

I want to see if you're magically taking thing south when you should be going north.

Lazy trash post. Last time i checked this was a game of teamwork, not a game of servants doing the work for you.

Thomas told me so

Okay.

Why?

I think those two slots could be w/w .

Why not?

Your team is bowl/triforce?

Trash post

FUCKING CASE WHY IT DOESN'T

WHY AM I SAYING THE SAME FUCKING THING TO THREE PEOPLE

Pedit: you're truly just making an effort to shit in my salad rn, aren't you? Read his reply, then my response, to that question.

Jesus, Lord in Heaven, give me strength.

Pedit2: You are all literally the worst.

Trash post.

My townread is meta based. Bowl and I won a scum game together not terribly long ago, and my looking back on it and comparing the two is night and day different. Shit ain't hard.

Still no bowl case.

Not interested in the pissing contest.

I'll check back in after I DM my DnD game tonight.

Get your lazy ass in here and post valuable content we don't work for you.

Literal paragraphs of pissyfit crying.

Makes fun for not engaging

that.

Imagine. Tom might be town, jury's out tho.

Trash post!


Is this the game of a 10-year MS player? I'm so disappointed. Why aren't we pushing this more?

[Guillotina]

Is trash scum?

It's worse. Much worse.

[Guillotina]

But like is it more likely to have a red role PM

Are you really asking Johnny, cause this sounds like the trolly engagement from Tayl0r

[Guillotina]

You asked why we're not pushing. I'm asking why WOULD we be pushing

Because he is not contributing to game solving. Where i come from he is a policy lynch.

[Guillotina]

Sounds like you flip coins a lot where you're from

It's not really flipping a coin when the player does not do what he is supposed to do, play the game.

It's been three days and all he's done is color commentating the game and being terrible at it.

He could be scum for all i know waiting for the night to kill the contributing players to silence the room and have an easier game.

[Guillotina]

plusjoyed is giving town reads on his friends like government is giving out food stamps to the poor, wtf?

Plus is generally extremely hard to read. I have never ever not SRed him in a game before. Like thats how scummy I perceive him as and its so scummy that I can never stop myself. My conclusion is plus is scummy af. Just hope there is a vig in the game that vigs him. If there isn't, then you have to concentrate and make things right your own way :/

-nornor

Chaos, What do you think about chkflip?

How about you DT?

[Guillotina]

Chaos, What do you think about chkflip?

he has like two posts. he's a p scummy player. I've never played with him before. I came close to once where he got eliminated day 1 and I replaced into the game night 1. From what I know, his playstyle is extremely scummy and he is LHF.

-nornorbear

I checked his past games and he does not play like this, he is def not LHF. I mean, i wish that player from those other past games was here.

I think he is just scum and he is intentionally playing a weird game to throw us off.

VOTE: Chkflip I know now that you are better and can do better, if you purposely don't then you are scum or policy lynch material. Come on cannibal! At this rate you ain't getting human flesh tonight.

[Guillotina]

Oh I’ll definitely obvtown. Question is whether you’ll live to see it.

Not a good look Gamma. What the hell is that supposed to mean?

[Guillotina]

Sounds like you flip coins a lot where you're from

It's not really flipping a coin when the player does not do what he is supposed to do, play the game.

It's been three days and all he's done is color commentating the game and being terrible at it.

He could be scum for all i know waiting for the night to kill the contributing players to silence the room and have an easier game.

A challenge: find the instances of your actually following through with this particular policy elimination and tell me the ratio of town v scum on them. I know how I bet that would go.

If you pushed this further I would not be on board. Bad does not equal evil. Shit play is not a scum tell, and limming based on solely that is a coin flip with worse odds.

Disagreed. You are starting to bother me because you keep talking about flipping a coin as if my reasons are not valid to scum read him. I hosts games Johnny, I've seen several kinds of scum and chkflip flips the profile of one of those kinds!

Our chances of finding scum on Day 1 are the same regardless of the method

.

Bad does not NECESSARILY equals to evil but it can very well be, shit play does not NECESSARILY scum tell but it could, but you are missing the whole point or you are deliberately playing dumb because

lack of play is one of the most basic scum tells!!!

I'm not talking going-on-vacation or taking-care-of-the-family-first lack of play!! I'm talking about his lack of real play, he's got 13 posts and he could have made

thirteen great

posts! But he chose to post 13 shit posts and fock off.

That player is not playing the game! He is disinterestedly coasting it!! Just like an old tired scum rand with no motivation to play the game with "outsiders" (as Taylor put it) would.

It seems to me that you are willing to cut him some slack because he is a legacy player here, as in legacy players are not supposed to get yeeted on D1 if they play, well, like scum.

OR

You and him are teammates and you are covering up for your "LHF" scum mate.

By the way! Your posts have offered no substance so far! Let's change that.

Where are your reads???

PS: Imagine a world where town are offing each other without scum ever moving a finger to influence that result. It happens a lot. It could be happening here.

[Guillotina]

Yikes. My PoE got bigger... this sucks.

Town Leans

• Gamma Force
  Aristophane
  DoubtingThomas

Null

• pob long
  Chaos Triforce

Scum Leans

• chkflip
  Johnny Farrar
  Tayl0r Swift
  superbowl9
  Plusjoyed

[Guillotina]

Why ido you think s Gamma scum? Johnny

[Guillotina]

Gamma reads different in this game than he did in our two previous games together. But also both of those games were WEIRD AS FUCK so not willing to act on that.

If the games already ended, can you link me to them please?

[Guillotina]

What are they doing that is “hurting the game health”? It honestly seems like you just want to get rid of slots you can’t manipulate.

Dude are you serious? They literally wallpost about ticky-tack technicalities, focused more on proving a point than reaching an objective. They center discussion around themselves because of their (wildly undeserved) unchecked egos. Their play shows no sign of subtlety or care for sensitive information (as you yourself have pointed out) and they are OMGUS prone. It’s just typical newer player stuff. I’m kind of disappointed I have to explain any of this to you - you really think they’re helping you develop reads and that they’re taking effective actions to improve gamestate??? It feels like I’m handholding you through all this as much as I am the new people though, like do I have to explain what makes good town discussions to you? I’m more inclined to believe you’re willing to throw up easy townreads to defend those creating poor gamestate

1) Show me examples of ticky-tack technicalities that we the noobs did wallpost please.

2) Wildly undeserved egos make people make mistakes. Watch and learn noob.

3) What sensitive information is that? I say it because town is the

UNINFORMED

majority.

WOLF SLIP??

4) OMGUS is not always OMGUS, i figured this out after playing for six months. If you are a seasoned player you would know this already and if you did, you are trying to manipulate people into doubting their own emotions upon reacting to another party's accusation. OMGUS is a term that is exploited by wolves to discredit those emotions, the hunches produced by them and the reads generated upon following up those hunches.

I'm kind of disappointed that I have to point this out to you.

5) Yes! Please explain what makes good town discussions. Teach us all master.

6) It is incredible how we mindmeld about Gamma, yet our views and approach are so different.

[Guillotina]

Spoiler:

In 48 hours I want you to reread this exchange and tell me what you think looking back. Personal challenge.

Im a stubborn asshole. 48 hours later, I'm gonna think ur scum anyways. Nothing about that convo is gunna change my mind. Your actions in the future have the potential to do exactly that but telling me to go read something that I already read again and trying to say your perspective is better isn't gonna do anything good for you.

Oh I’ll definitely obvtown. Question is whether you’ll live to see it.

Not a good look Gamma. What the hell is that supposed to mean?

I pointed this out as well but I find you scummy for sheeping me but not giving me credit. Feels a bit like the "I'll take credit for this but then if all goes wrong, someone else suggested it first so its alright"
I may be overthinking tho, I admit.

Im saying Noraa’s lifespan tends to be shorter than mine in practice

rude.

noraa how should we be reading johnny and why?

I dont know how to read Johnny atm. Im in the process of figuring it out.

-nornor

Like in this game or just in general? because FROPPY WON"T TELL ME MY SCUMTELLS AND I WANNA KNOW THEM

most people won't tell u what ur scum tells are LOL. The reason is that once you know them, you will manipulate them and they will no longer be scum tells.

Yikes. My PoE got bigger... this sucks.

Town Leans

• Gamma Force
  Aristophane
  DoubtingThomas

Null

• pob long
  Chaos Triforce

Scum Leans

• chkflip
  Johnny Farrar
  Tayl0r Swift
  superbowl9
  Plusjoyed

explain why we got moved to null. You never mentioned why but just moved us up as we started get TRed by more people.

-Nornor

fuck I'm sorry.

-nornor

I nulled you because you are either doing a great job faking town or you are displaying townie traits, thus making me second guess my reads on you.

[Guillotina]

I see no reason to continue spending my freetime playing a forum game to be insulted by strangers on the internet who obsess on winning a game with no stakes behind it. I don't feel like I'm the only one who feels this game has become toxic either. I'm replacing out.

Angleshooting much?

[Guillotina]

I see no reason to continue spending my freetime playing a forum game to be insulted by strangers on the internet who obsess on winning a game with no stakes behind it. I don't feel like I'm the only one who feels this game has become toxic either. I'm replacing out.

This is should get modkilled!

I hope i dont have to explain why.

[Guillotina]

no i told the mod I was replacing out at the same time

You dont post it to the thread. You didnt read this site's rules?

Aaargh.

I'll be back later

[Guillotina]

Yikes. My PoE got bigger... this sucks.

Town Leans

• Gamma Force
  Aristophane
  DoubtingThomas

Null

• pob long
  Chaos Triforce

Scum Leans

• chkflip
  Johnny Farrar
  Tayl0r Swift
  superbowl9
  Plusjoyed

so you scumread: the people who disagree with you and townread: the people who you agree with and ari for some reason? yeah youre intentionally trying to derail the thread and prevent scumhunting. those arent genuine reads, those are pure ego.

VOTE: guillotina

I smell fear here. Unorthodox play does not sit well for scum. I'm gonna put it this way. Sometimes, just sometimes I say that I town read people but in my private notes I scum read them and viceversa. What? Do you think that only scum can pocket town?

Ari's towniness is a gut feeling produced by something he posted, it does not mean he'll stay there but I'll keep him there as I got a bigger PoE list to sort out.

[Guillotina]

Oh whats up ari! I feel like you rolled scum this game for some weird reason

I wish!

I love the idea of winning this as scum or especially as SK!

Alas, it is not in the cards this time

Here Johnny

[Guillotina]

ok but like... lying about a read or two is ok i guess if theres a purpose for it. we probably all do that. but your scum list is all of the people who have disagreed with you, and no one else. thats not scumhunting, thats you going on an ego trip

Really? Gamma disagreed with me and he is in my town list. Chaos disagreed with me and actually sort of throwed shade on me at one point and she managed to get out of my scum list. If you are gonna push me for not scumhunting, don't conveniently leave some facts out.

[Guillotina]

Oh whats up ari! I feel like you rolled scum this game for some weird reason

I wish!

I love the idea of winning this as scum or especially as SK!

Alas, it is not in the cards this time

Here Johnny

a) thats super easy to fake
b) to me that post slightly pings as not genuine
c) now that youve outed it i feel like your secret pocketing attempt on ari is null.

a) Or not.
b) I disagree
c) As long as you are in my scum list, the less you know the better.

Instead of worrying about Ari, worry about yourself. Besides suspicion on me, who else is scum for you?

[Guillotina]

ok but like... lying about a read or two is ok i guess if theres a purpose for it. we probably all do that. but your scum list is all of the people who have disagreed with you, and no one else. thats not scumhunting, thats you going on an ego trip

superb's reads have been most exclusively scum reading/pushing me and guillo. really odd for you to bully guillo for that. yes it's not a great read list, but there are people who's basically doing the same thing? not sure if you ignoring superb here is because he's your out of game friend and biased (or maybe you are biased about guillo) or because he's your scum buddy

i mean you dont see me defending superb owl either do you? earlier i was attacking both sides for being toxic. but that readlist is really garbage.

Because you said this, I'm inclined to believe that there is at least two scum in my scum list, if not all three.

[Guillotina]

ok but like... lying about a read or two is ok i guess if theres a purpose for it. we probably all do that. but your scum list is all of the people who have disagreed with you, and no one else. thats not scumhunting, thats you going on an ego trip

superb's reads have been most exclusively scum reading/pushing me and guillo. really odd for you to bully guillo for that. yes it's not a great read list, but there are people who's basically doing the same thing? not sure if you ignoring superb here is because he's your out of game friend and biased (or maybe you are biased about guillo) or because he's your scum buddy

i mean you dont see me defending superb owl either do you? earlier i was attacking both sides for being toxic. but that readlist is really garbage.

i didnt say you were protecting superbowl. i said you ignored him for guillo, which i dont know is because you've (as you have before expressed) like newcomers less (or think me and guillo are not trying to 'fit in') or some other reason

She also said that we are outsiders.

[Guillotina]

Ok. I gathered enough data to believe that VOTE: Gamma Emerald

is scum

and that

superbowl9

might be his partner.

I havent read anything since my last post writing this, so I'll catch up!

Look into the spoilers! Let the scumhunt begin!

Spoiler:

VOTE: Guillotina
Between taking a joke a bit too seriously and having a pretty hard LAMIST tone I’m okay with this going aorn

Being ok with an elimination for someone not taking a joke is hardcore scum.

This sounds like you tried hard to find a reason to find me scum, cast a ridiculous vote on me and see if it gains momentum. This gets you lynched where i come from.

You really think you SCARE me? I eat players like you for breakfast. And I don’t think I had to “try hard” to find those reasons. The joke thing is self-evident and as for why it’s scummy, scum don’t really have the mental bandwidth to be figuring out what is and isn’t a joke effectively, they’re to busy trying to deceive everyone to allocate that brainpower. It’s not exactly scientific but it’s what I’ve discerned over time. And your LAMIST behavior comes from stuff like 162 where it seems a little theatrical to be making that sort of commentary, to the point I find it likely that it is actively staged. The desire to project a townie mindset seems a little TOO strong imo.

I replied to this here:

286

Oh you just responded out of order. We played in the Merchant’s Daughter game, we were scum together

Tbh that delayed response has me like :S

wait btw did we win? wasnt Nancy Drew there

yeah we won

Interesting choice of words. “I eat players like you for breakfast” in a game where scum are the cannibals. I know that remark is NAI but it was so funny! Lol.

Disregarding the rest of the post rn because it’s probably weaksauce nonsense

, why call this out if you don’t feel it’s alignment indicative at all? If I’m trying to legitimately send a message with that, it places me in a small set of players where if I’m town, it would be advised to not call such a thing out. I wasn’t exactly subtle about it, but you felt compelled to call it out for no constructive purpose. If you are town all you are doing is sounding like a smug smartass by calling something out like this. All you’re doing in that case is signaling that you’re desperate for validation of your intelligence. Which kinda lines up with the attitude you’ve already put out.

At this point I was suspicious of Gamma of being scum so I took a gamble and decided to pocket him.

(I still don't believe you didnt read the entire post considering how fixated you were onto me. So saying that you disregarded the rest of the post because it was probably weaksause, is bullshit! You needed to make time to answer to that.

Yeah the entire point-by-point response was just twisting everything I said until you could reasonably turn it against me. No thanks, not dignifying that with a proper breakdown.

Notice the aggressiveness of his replies, such aggressiveness is NAI and someone that is town is expected to be this way but...

Yeah the entire point-by-point response was just twisting everything I said until you could reasonably turn it against me. No thanks, not dignifying that with a proper breakdown.

It was not my intention to twist and turn it against you. It's a habit. I'm a psychologist.

That may be so, but you seemed intent to take anything I said the opposite to what I meant if it served to debase my statement. That seems less like proper psychology and more like a self-serving implementation of it.

But setting that aside, it seems you are being genuine here. As such, I’ll let the push go

, but I’ll also state I still don’t really rate you. It’s easy to talk a big game, but without proper evidence I can’t tell how well you fit into those big shoes you’re trying to fill.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: Chaos Triforce
Idk if I had been clear on this yet, but I feel like they generally haven’t been impressive, and Noraa in particular seems a bit off I think? To put a pinpoint on one of my issues, I feel like they’re a bit overly defensive about everything.

If he was town he'd bother to enquire what my reaction was coming from. Instead he accused me, he said that I was twisting everything until I could

REASONABLY

turn it against him. When I said that I town-read him for an excuse that only a wolf would believe, he dropped all weapons and dropped his push on me???

POCKET ATTEMPT: SUCCESS!

If he was town he would have said something like, "no wait minute you pushed on me and twisted my words to make me look like a wolf and now you townread me? Fuck that!"
I know I would have, you don't get to frame me and then stop my push because you say you town read me, if you town read me for that, then you must know I'm town.

But he didn't react anywhere near that way, at this point he surely thought that he had pocketed me! LOLSCUM

From this point forward I followed him to see who he'd wolf and town spew.

YO SUPERBOWL DID YOU RAND SCUM WITHOUT ME!?

You’ll know if you’re dead by tomorrow

I see this specifically coming from scum more than town.

-norbear

Scuuuuuuuuuuuum shaaaaaaaaaaaade

Bowl is undoubtedly town.

Yeeeaaah I'm gonna need you to back that one up. Though I also would like better explanation of why the people SRing superbowl are doing so too.

"Translation: Yaaah, I'm gonna need you to to tell me why you scum read bowl so I could pocket you too and I'm gonna need everyone to tell me why the SR superbowl to kill you tonight."

town: tay, guillo,
weak town: chk, johnny, pj
bleh idk: superb, ari, dt
actually idk: sirius, poblong
scum: chaos

He pockets me and Taylor. I took a look at Taylor's games like she suggested and noticed that when she is town, she is care free and relax, like she is here. Evidently I put her in my scum list, to see if "Town" Gamma would try to convince me in detailed why Taylor was town, but he never did.

I feel like im in a newbie

why

Watch out for ari this game tho plus don’t just shove that in town

agree, was in another game with him where he was town recently enough and I think his vibe here is different
he feels a bit tepid this game, is the best way to put it

I feel like im in a newbie

why

Watch out for ari this game tho plus don’t just shove that in town

agree, was in another game with him where he was town recently enough and I think his vibe here is different
he feels a bit tepid this game, is the best way to put it

You’ve been acting like bad play isn’t bad this game which is really confusing and pinging me a little? I feel like you should know bad play w/ your flair and join date. Haven’t called it out cause I want you to get to D2 at least this time ToT

My flair? also what "bad play" have you seen thus far?

TEPID: showing little enthusiasm

. I agree, Ari shows even less enthusiasm than chkflip.

Gamma, Superbowl interactions hint distancing. Gamma spews Ari town.

superbowl is ok with Gamma reaching D2, why though?

I'm gonna guess it's PJ based on posts regarding him from you? I also don't think Ari's been active enough you'd feel the need to make him feel comfortable.

This was a reply to my 413 post. Wolf Gamma would need to ascertain his position as my town read. Notice PJ didn't because she knew she was town.

gamma what are your thoughts on this. seriously. this guy admits that he hasn't read bulk of my posts while giving an initial scum read on me for not liking my posts. and then now double downs on voting me even though my thought here is very transparent and easily followable for towns. take a stance.

It's dumb but PJ doesn't strike me as the pinnacle of intellectual play. It doesn't seem like what I've seen of him so far either, though.

I think DT genuinely believes the point they are making. I’ll pencil them in as town.

I must admit. These two interactions are weird. I don't know if I'm looking at a case of Gamma pocketing DT or Gamma buddying up with DT. My problem is that only two cannibals know each other. Hmm. A new question arises, is a world where Gamma/superbowl is less likely than Gamma/DT?

I need your help town because I can't read DT so he could easily pocket me.

it's noted that tayl0r swift is too good for me and won't even read my posts.

im not singling you out. i skimmed the thread but ughhh it was such a slog

Wanna elim in DT/Guillotine with me so we dont have to read this anymore

This is starting to run into trash take territory. Is there a legitimate reason what DT and guillo are doing is scummy? I don’t feel like what they’re doing is exceptionally policy worthy, otherwise.

Thanks for the pocket Gamma but this strikes me as odd. Before I townread you you were ok with lynching me because I didn't understand a joke and now you think it is outrageous to policy kill someone?

Also I’m on the fence here but I don’t really rate chk’s meta skill that highly rn

I can see how chkflip is LHF now.

You and I are both the type to be wrong on our most straightforward reads but be more tuned in on our subconscious SRs, I believe.
What’s your read list like rn?

Then I remember that you were the one that called me scum in like ur fifth post in this game. ur scum. there's no changing my mind here.

-nornor

I accept I might be wrong, in which case I’d like to know your reads, because if there’s someone bothering you and me simultaneously that might be a good person to home in on.

Oh I’ll definitely obvtown. Question is whether you’ll live to see it.

Im saying Noraa’s lifespan tends to be shorter than mine in practice

Then I think we should make sure Chaos Triforce lives another day, because you obviously feel threatened by the hydra.

You’re legitimately trying to push 2 of my confident TRs for a policy yeet here. I’m not happy about that in the slightest, I know you’re a much better player than that.

Thanks for your confidence buddy! I hope after this you think the same! Much love!

What are they doing that is “hurting the game health”? It honestly seems like you just want to get rid of slots you can’t manipulate.

Yah talk to your partner, he is ruining your perfectly formed pockets!

Superbowl if I’m overrating your skill off our one game together it’s quite advisable to tell me now jsyk

I think it's ok to ask him privately. No judgement here, ok, that's a lie! Judgement shall be passed!

Town Lean

Cat
Chaos
Taylor
Johnny


Null

Ari
pob Long
chkflip
DT

Scum

Gamma
superbowl

[Guillotina]

I'm on board for Gamma guillo but where did ari slip into null? And cat into town?

I'm not sure if I can comment on why cat is town without angleshooting. It is why I believe that slot should have been modkilled. I cannot explain the TR without violating rules.

I placed Ari in town list to wage reactions, but I didn't get any, so... Null, completely null.

[Guillotina]

And I feel like their posting isn’t as bad as you try to put it. Sure guillo’s 651 looks like a bunch of confbiased overeager theorycrafting garbage, but it also seems like a real take at least.

This is EXACTLY what I’m talking about. It’s an overton window shift, we’re now having a discsussion about whether or not what Guillo said is really THAT bad or not. I’m saying can we ditch this and have more productive conversations?

Trust me, i won't be eliminated.

[Guillotina]

I replaced Sirius (who did not post anything), not plusjoyed. Also, don't talk about modkills in-thread, if a post is against the rules, report it.

Still reading up, almost done but heading out for a bit

Copy and noted.

[Guillotina]

and Guillo, let's push superb whose ask to policy lim us for no reason yet continuing to come into thread to do nothing but complain about us and vouch for our policy lim over gamma

Yah ok. VOTE: superbowl9

I don't like it that Gamma is willing to vote there but superb's policy lynch against me is super bad for town if that push gains momentum.

[Guillotina]

Yikes. My PoE got bigger... this sucks.

Town Leans

• Gamma Force
  Aristophane
  DoubtingThomas

Null

• pob long
  Chaos Triforce

Scum Leans

• chkflip
  Johnny Farrar
  Tayl0r Swift
  superbowl9
  Plusjoyed

Ok. I gathered enough data to believe that VOTE: Gamma Emerald

is scum

and that

superbowl9

might be his partner.

I havent read anything since my last post writing this, so I'll catch up!

Look into the spoilers! Let the scumhunt begin!

Spoiler:

VOTE: Guillotina
Between taking a joke a bit too seriously and having a pretty hard LAMIST tone I’m okay with this going aorn

Being ok with an elimination for someone not taking a joke is hardcore scum.

This sounds like you tried hard to find a reason to find me scum, cast a ridiculous vote on me and see if it gains momentum. This gets you lynched where i come from.

You really think you SCARE me? I eat players like you for breakfast. And I don’t think I had to “try hard” to find those reasons. The joke thing is self-evident and as for why it’s scummy, scum don’t really have the mental bandwidth to be figuring out what is and isn’t a joke effectively, they’re to busy trying to deceive everyone to allocate that brainpower. It’s not exactly scientific but it’s what I’ve discerned over time. And your LAMIST behavior comes from stuff like 162 where it seems a little theatrical to be making that sort of commentary, to the point I find it likely that it is actively staged. The desire to project a townie mindset seems a little TOO strong imo.

I replied to this here:

286

Oh you just responded out of order. We played in the Merchant’s Daughter game, we were scum together

Tbh that delayed response has me like :S

wait btw did we win? wasnt Nancy Drew there

yeah we won

Interesting choice of words. “I eat players like you for breakfast” in a game where scum are the cannibals. I know that remark is NAI but it was so funny! Lol.

Disregarding the rest of the post rn because it’s probably weaksauce nonsense

, why call this out if you don’t feel it’s alignment indicative at all? If I’m trying to legitimately send a message with that, it places me in a small set of players where if I’m town, it would be advised to not call such a thing out. I wasn’t exactly subtle about it, but you felt compelled to call it out for no constructive purpose. If you are town all you are doing is sounding like a smug smartass by calling something out like this. All you’re doing in that case is signaling that you’re desperate for validation of your intelligence. Which kinda lines up with the attitude you’ve already put out.

At this point I was suspicious of Gamma of being scum so I took a gamble and decided to pocket him.

(I still don't believe you didnt read the entire post considering how fixated you were onto me. So saying that you disregarded the rest of the post because it was probably weaksause, is bullshit! You needed to make time to answer to that.

Yeah the entire point-by-point response was just twisting everything I said until you could reasonably turn it against me. No thanks, not dignifying that with a proper breakdown.

Notice the aggressiveness of his replies, such aggressiveness is NAI and someone that is town is expected to be this way but...

Yeah the entire point-by-point response was just twisting everything I said until you could reasonably turn it against me. No thanks, not dignifying that with a proper breakdown.

It was not my intention to twist and turn it against you. It's a habit. I'm a psychologist.

That may be so, but you seemed intent to take anything I said the opposite to what I meant if it served to debase my statement. That seems less like proper psychology and more like a self-serving implementation of it.

But setting that aside, it seems you are being genuine here. As such, I’ll let the push go

, but I’ll also state I still don’t really rate you. It’s easy to talk a big game, but without proper evidence I can’t tell how well you fit into those big shoes you’re trying to fill.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: Chaos Triforce
Idk if I had been clear on this yet, but I feel like they generally haven’t been impressive, and Noraa in particular seems a bit off I think? To put a pinpoint on one of my issues, I feel like they’re a bit overly defensive about everything.

If he was town he'd bother to enquire what my reaction was coming from. Instead he accused me, he said that I was twisting everything until I could

REASONABLY

turn it against him. When I said that I town-read him for an excuse that only a wolf would believe, he dropped all weapons and dropped his push on me???

POCKET ATTEMPT: SUCCESS!

If he was town he would have said something like, "no wait minute you pushed on me and twisted my words to make me look like a wolf and now you townread me? Fuck that!"
I know I would have, you don't get to frame me and then stop my push because you say you town read me, if you town read me for that, then you must know I'm town.

But he didn't react anywhere near that way, at this point he surely thought that he had pocketed me! LOLSCUM

From this point forward I followed him to see who he'd wolf and town spew.

YO SUPERBOWL DID YOU RAND SCUM WITHOUT ME!?

You’ll know if you’re dead by tomorrow

I see this specifically coming from scum more than town.

-norbear

Scuuuuuuuuuuuum shaaaaaaaaaaaade

Bowl is undoubtedly town.

Yeeeaaah I'm gonna need you to back that one up. Though I also would like better explanation of why the people SRing superbowl are doing so too.

"Translation: Yaaah, I'm gonna need you to to tell me why you scum read bowl so I could pocket you too and I'm gonna need everyone to tell me why the SR superbowl to kill you tonight."

town: tay, guillo,
weak town: chk, johnny, pj
bleh idk: superb, ari, dt
actually idk: sirius, poblong
scum: chaos

He pockets me and Taylor. I took a look at Taylor's games like she suggested and noticed that when she is town, she is care free and relax, like she is here. Evidently I put her in my scum list, to see if "Town" Gamma would try to convince me in detailed why Taylor was town, but he never did.

I feel like im in a newbie

why

Watch out for ari this game tho plus don’t just shove that in town

agree, was in another game with him where he was town recently enough and I think his vibe here is different
he feels a bit tepid this game, is the best way to put it

I feel like im in a newbie

why

Watch out for ari this game tho plus don’t just shove that in town

agree, was in another game with him where he was town recently enough and I think his vibe here is different
he feels a bit tepid this game, is the best way to put it

You’ve been acting like bad play isn’t bad this game which is really confusing and pinging me a little? I feel like you should know bad play w/ your flair and join date. Haven’t called it out cause I want you to get to D2 at least this time ToT

My flair? also what "bad play" have you seen thus far?

TEPID: showing little enthusiasm

. I agree, Ari shows even less enthusiasm than chkflip.

Gamma, Superbowl interactions hint distancing. Gamma spews Ari town.

superbowl is ok with Gamma reaching D2, why though?

I'm gonna guess it's PJ based on posts regarding him from you? I also don't think Ari's been active enough you'd feel the need to make him feel comfortable.

This was a reply to my 413 post. Wolf Gamma would need to ascertain his position as my town read. Notice PJ didn't because she knew she was town.

gamma what are your thoughts on this. seriously. this guy admits that he hasn't read bulk of my posts while giving an initial scum read on me for not liking my posts. and then now double downs on voting me even though my thought here is very transparent and easily followable for towns. take a stance.

It's dumb but PJ doesn't strike me as the pinnacle of intellectual play. It doesn't seem like what I've seen of him so far either, though.

I think DT genuinely believes the point they are making. I’ll pencil them in as town.

I must admit. These two interactions are weird. I don't know if I'm looking at a case of Gamma pocketing DT or Gamma buddying up with DT. My problem is that only two cannibals know each other. Hmm. A new question arises, is a world where Gamma/superbowl is less likely than Gamma/DT?

I need your help town because I can't read DT so he could easily pocket me.

it's noted that tayl0r swift is too good for me and won't even read my posts.

im not singling you out. i skimmed the thread but ughhh it was such a slog

Wanna elim in DT/Guillotine with me so we dont have to read this anymore

This is starting to run into trash take territory. Is there a legitimate reason what DT and guillo are doing is scummy? I don’t feel like what they’re doing is exceptionally policy worthy, otherwise.

Thanks for the pocket Gamma but this strikes me as odd. Before I townread you you were ok with lynching me because I didn't understand a joke and now you think it is outrageous to policy kill someone?

Also I’m on the fence here but I don’t really rate chk’s meta skill that highly rn

I can see how chkflip is LHF now.

You and I are both the type to be wrong on our most straightforward reads but be more tuned in on our subconscious SRs, I believe.
What’s your read list like rn?

Then I remember that you were the one that called me scum in like ur fifth post in this game. ur scum. there's no changing my mind here.

-nornor

I accept I might be wrong, in which case I’d like to know your reads, because if there’s someone bothering you and me simultaneously that might be a good person to home in on.

Oh I’ll definitely obvtown. Question is whether you’ll live to see it.

Im saying Noraa’s lifespan tends to be shorter than mine in practice

Then I think we should make sure Chaos Triforce lives another day, because you obviously feel threatened by the hydra.

You’re legitimately trying to push 2 of my confident TRs for a policy yeet here. I’m not happy about that in the slightest, I know you’re a much better player than that.

Thanks for your confidence buddy! I hope after this you think the same! Much love!

What are they doing that is “hurting the game health”? It honestly seems like you just want to get rid of slots you can’t manipulate.

Yah talk to your partner, he is ruining your perfectly formed pockets!

Superbowl if I’m overrating your skill off our one game together it’s quite advisable to tell me now jsyk

I think it's ok to ask him privately. No judgement here, ok, that's a lie! Judgement shall be passed!

Town Lean

Cat
Chaos
Taylor
Johnny


Null

Ari
pob Long
chkflip
DT

Scum

Gamma
superbowl

wtf is this progression lol

The first one was a fake read list. The second is the real one.

[Guillotina]

Except Cat cause it got confused. Insert BlackMage there

[Guillotina]

Except Cat cause I got confused. Insert BlackMage there

Correction

[Guillotina]

Except Cat cause it got confused. Insert BlackMage there

what the fuck is with this 'black mage' crap? can we keep my ethnicity out of it, thanks

My bad. Sorry

[Guillotina]

Except Cat cause it got confused. Insert BlackMage there

what the fuck is with this 'black mage' crap? can we keep my ethnicity out of it, thanks

oh yes, you were the one who tried to get my predecessor modkilled

Im not discussing that no longer and neither should you.

[Guillotina]

So your townread on me was never genuine. The entire townread on you that I had was based on you actually genuinely reconsidering me, so to find that reconsideration was staged outside you even deeper in the red than when you were initially pinging me.

It was not genuine at all. I pocketed a wolf and you fell for it.

[Guillotina]

it's alright, seems there always one clever clogs in every game nowadays who thinks that shit is funny.

Oh no, i legit read black mage instead of battle mage. I meant no malice.

[Guillotina]

So your townread on me was never genuine. The entire townread on you that I had was based on you actually genuinely reconsidering me, so to find that reconsideration was staged outside you even deeper in the red than when you were initially pinging me.

So you townread me because i said i town read you, so all the towns that dont townread you will get eliminated? That's not how this works.

[Guillotina]

The first one was a fake read list.

HUH @_@
what?

-questionmarknornor

Huh what what?

[Guillotina]

Why do you need a "fake reads list"?

-detectivenornor

It's how i study the room to confirm or discard hunches, how players interact with me when i scum read them or how they react when I town read them. How other players interact with the players in my lists, how their behavior change basec on my interaction with them, how it indirectly affect others.

[Guillotina]

So your townread on me was never genuine. The entire townread on you that I had was based on you actually genuinely reconsidering me, so to find that reconsideration was staged outside you even deeper in the red than when you were initially pinging me.

So you townread me because i said i town read you, so all the towns that dont townread you will get eliminated? That's not how this works.

The reason you townread me actually sounded like a real reason, so I thought you were being genuine. Now that I know it’s bait, it comes off as an excessively marinated wad of crap, which I think is scummy. If you just wanted to bait scum you probably just give a vaguely passable reason, but you tried to make me believe it. That’s sus.

Oh you got that one right, it is scummy, sneaky even, but im town. I'm a bad scummy town.
The kind wolves or cannibals in this case want to get policy lynched.

But i won't get eliminated, if you want me dead, your faction will have to kill me during the night.

[Guillotina]

Here’s the breakdown of why what guillotina did is a dirty scummy move.

Guillo claims he wanted to “pocket” me, but I think the key motive of the play comes out at the turnabout. By getting me to invest in a townread on him, I now can’t properly respond to the scum mines Spd the play without getting some dirt on me. He essentially wanted to make himself harder to eliminate by discrediting my voice if I tried to speak against him again. It’s dirty as fuck and and honestly needs to die.

VOTE: Guillotina
Let’s toss this dirty cheat to the hounds.

Please, im townread here more than you ever will be. When i die however and i flip town you will be the next elimination, you and superbowl. But i promise you, i won't get lynched in this game. Ever.

[Guillotina]

Here’s the breakdown of why what guillotina did is a dirty scummy move.

Guillo claims he wanted to “pocket” me, but I think the key motive of the play comes out at the turnabout. By getting me to invest in a townread on him, I now can’t properly respond to the scum mines Spd the play without getting some dirt on me. He essentially wanted to make himself harder to eliminate by discrediting my voice if I tried to speak against him again. It’s dirty as fuck and and honestly needs to die.

VOTE: Guillotina
Let’s toss this dirty cheat to the hounds.

Please, im townread here more than you ever will be. When i die however and i flip town you will be the next elimination, you and superbowl. But i promise you, i won't get lynched in this game. Ever.

I thought you weren’t interested in ego-dick measuring contests?

Heads up that one of the anonymous heads has decided to rep out. We'll continue to use this hydra for anonymity tho.

-nornor

You know I never realized until this post the exact rules on using hydras when one heads replaces out. I do have a hydra or two I might want to use as pseudo-alts, maybe I can dust them off?

This is not a contest, it's a fact.

[Guillotina]

Well I’m definitely not getting yeeted either.

How long you've been playing Mafia?

[Guillotina]

Well I’m definitely not getting yeeted either.

Who is getting yeeted then? Whom of your scum reads (if any) will you compromise to yeet that are not in my town list?

[Guillotina]

How do i subscribe to or bookmark threads here?

[Guillotina]

DoubtingThomas, what is your read on Gamma? Why?
Gamma Emerald, what is your read on DoubtingThomas? Why?

You know what i've noticed between you two, the unlikely harmony. If we go by game tone and probability, you two should have clashed at some point in this game already but you have not.

Like Gamma, you targeted me for having a big ass ego, but DT has the same big ass ego and you have never gone nuclear on DT. You eat people like me for breakfast but you have not attempted to eat pancakes with DT syrup.

And you DT, i looked into your ISO and it looks like you've been avoiding Gamma. You two have never clashed besides this last post about superbowl vote. You have done a few pushes but surprisingly it never got bigger like my pushes on Gamma, because he complies with everything you tell him. Gamma is

CONFIDENT

of his townread of you? Confident of a townread on D1! Does it not strike you as odd a little bit?

Did you pocket each other somewhere and I missed it or do you guys share a private room where you bonded or something? Or what the hell is going on between you two? If it wasn't because superbowl wants to policy lynch me, which is as bad as a miselimination, I would be unvoting him because you two are making me uneasy.

Help me understand this incredible synergy between you two.

Thank you

[Guillotina]

Also are

pob long

and

Aristophane

ever coming back to the game?

[Guillotina]

i think guillo is probably just scum here and should die.

So you doubt im scum and i should die anyways. Good to know

[Guillotina]

hmm thats an interesting interpretation of what i said

Is it? Tell me all about it.

[Guillotina]

Chaos is town.

I'm undecided on Guillotina - lots of examples of selective reading, bad faith arguments, and strawmanning, which would suggest scum. But the abrasive, confrontational and un-cooperative approach makes me think town. I don't think Guillotina-scum survives long in this game, so willing to give the benefit of the doubt for today at least.

My initial hero solve is Gamma-Tom-Aristo, although I haven't read all the way through yet.

You are town.

The best way to categorize me is that I'm a bad scummy town. Take a deep look at those who try to yeet me or cast suspicions on me for ridiculous reasons instead.

[Guillotina]

Chaos is town.

I'm undecided on Guillotina - lots of examples of selective reading, bad faith arguments, and strawmanning, which would suggest scum. But the abrasive, confrontational and un-cooperative approach makes me think town. I don't think Guillotina-scum survives long in this game, so willing to give the benefit of the doubt for today at least.

My initial hero solve is Gamma-Tom-Aristo, although I haven't read all the way through yet.

Also, can you explain to me what “stawmanning” is please?

[Guillotina]

hmm thats an interesting interpretation of what i said

Is it? Tell me all about it.

if you're town, you don't do yourself any favours.

Yah? Why is that?

[Guillotina]

hmm thats an interesting interpretation of what i said

Is it? Tell me all about it.

if you're town, you don't do yourself any favours.

Yah? Why is that?

because you're arguing about sod all for the sake of it.

Im sorry, can you elaborate on that?

Arguing about sod

?

[Guillotina]

Chaos is town.

I'm undecided on Guillotina - lots of examples of selective reading, bad faith arguments, and strawmanning, which would suggest scum. But the abrasive, confrontational and un-cooperative approach makes me think town. I don't think Guillotina-scum survives long in this game, so willing to give the benefit of the doubt for today at least.

My initial hero solve is Gamma-Tom-Aristo, although I haven't read all the way through yet.

Also, can you explain to me what “stawmanning” is please?

strawmanning is when you suggest someone is making a particular argument, which they are not making, and then proceed to explain why that argument doesn't hold.

I know this is a lot to ask but as someone who is always trying to become better at playing this game, would you mind pointing examples of strawmanning in my posts? Thank you

[Guillotina]

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

Pob Long will most likely get replaced and killing him will get us no info. So no, any yeet for the sake of yeeting someone is not good for me. Unless of course you can point out the benefit of his yeet.

[Guillotina]

hmm thats an interesting interpretation of what i said

Is it? Tell me all about it.

ok

i think guillo is probably just scum here and should die.

So you doubt im scum and i should die anyways. Good to know

me: youre most likely scum and should therefore die
you: you said im most likely town and should die anyway

You didnt say most likely, you said Im

probably

just scum. Probably indicates doubt like words such as maybe, perhaps etc. So you said that maybe im just scum and you are willing to yeet me without certainty of your own read.

If I say... hmmm maybe you are scum, lets kill you. How would you take it?

[Guillotina]

hmm thats an interesting interpretation of what i said

Is it? Tell me all about it.

if you're town, you don't do yourself any favours.

Yah? Why is that?

because you're arguing about sod all for the sake of it.

Im sorry, can you elaborate on that?

Arguing about sod

?

lol in my country "sod all" is a nice way of saying "fk all" i.e. nothing

where are you from?

Oh ok. I live in Las Vegas but im originally from Colombia, South America.

[Guillotina]

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

Pob Long will most likely get replaced and killing him will get us no info. So no, any yeet for the sake of yeeting someone is not good for me. Unless of course you can point out the benefit of his yeet.

he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town, and I have a low tolerance for letting quiet scum survive too long. Who knows what info we'll get - depends what happens next (i.e. who votes for him, who doesn't, who defends him and why). These open games are pretty swingy, so I think scum might have a lower propensity to bus (eliminate their team-mates) than normal.

I do have a low tolerance for coasting scum players too but pob long has not done anything to make me think he is either alignment. I'd rather wait to see if he gets substituted by someone who actually wanna play the game because that slot could be a town PR you know?

That said, i'd yeet him out of self preservation.

[Guillotina]

hmm thats an interesting interpretation of what i said

Is it? Tell me all about it.

ok

i think guillo is probably just scum here and should die.

So you doubt im scum and i should die anyways. Good to know

me: youre most likely scum and should therefore die
you: you said im most likely town and should die anyway

You didnt say most likely, you said Im

probably

just scum. Probably indicates doubt like words such as maybe, perhaps etc. So you said that maybe im just scum and you are willing to yeet me without certainty of your own read.

If I say... hmmm maybe you are scum, lets kill you. How would you take it?

ooh ooh I can answer this!

It's completely normal not to express absolute certainty in your reads, especially on Day 1 when it's unlikely you have any mechanical knowledge of the game. Also "probably" and "maybe" are different. This, btw, is an example of strawmanning - you're attacking Taylor for something that she didn't say, although even if she had said it, it wouldnt have been particularly scummy.

Ok for the record. Im not attacking Tayl0r... im defending myself from Tayl0r.
I'm town so my interpretation might be different than the intended message from someone accusing me of being scum thus I countered it with the intention to get more information.

[Guillotina]

can we all just compromise on a VOTE: pob long

Pob Long will most likely get replaced and killing him will get us no info. So no, any yeet for the sake of yeeting someone is not good for me. Unless of course you can point out the benefit of his yeet.

he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town, and I have a low tolerance for letting quiet scum survive too long. Who knows what info we'll get - depends what happens next (i.e. who votes for him, who doesn't, who defends him and why). These open games are pretty swingy, so I think scum might have a lower propensity to bus (eliminate their team-mates) than normal.

I do have a low tolerance for coasting scum players too but pob long has not done anything to make me think he is either alignment. I'd rather wait to see if he gets substituted by someone who actually wanna play the game because that slot could be a town PR you know?

That said, i'd yeet him out of self preservation.

why do you think he's gonna get substituted?

The rules says you gotta post once the first 48 hours and then after that, once every 24 hours. I've hosted games too and as a host if a player ghosts the game i process a substitution.

[Guillotina]

Chaos is town.

I'm undecided on Guillotina - lots of examples of selective reading, bad faith arguments, and strawmanning, which would suggest scum. But the abrasive, confrontational and un-cooperative approach makes me think town. I don't think Guillotina-scum survives long in this game, so willing to give the benefit of the doubt for today at least.

My initial hero solve is Gamma-Tom-Aristo, although I haven't read all the way through yet.

You are town.

The best way to categorize me is that I'm a bad scummy town. Take a deep look at those who try to yeet me or cast suspicions on me for ridiculous reasons instead.

you were so cocky yesterday! what happened?

I have my days of humility. Don't hate!

[Guillotina]

i think the rules state that you have to post once every 48 hours, and if you fail to do so you get prodded. after a prod you have 24 hours to post before getting replaced.

What is getting “prodded” by the way? I keep seeing the term here. Like a warning?

[Guillotina]

i think the rules state that you have to post once every 48 hours, and if you fail to do so you get prodded. after a prod you have 24 hours to post before getting replaced.

What is getting “prodded” by the way? I keep seeing the term here. Like a warning?

a prod is a private message saying "please post". In reality, and especially in a game like this, Mods are not always meticulous on prodding after that time frame. And pob long HAS posted, he just hasn't said much.

No comment from Taylor on pob long?

I looked into pob long ISO and he has not posted since Nov 13 so... I think he will most likely get substituted and if he comes back and posts again we push him to get more out of him and we make a decision based on that.

[Guillotina]

The best way to categorize me is that I'm a bad scummy town.

ouch this sound p scummy. generally scum want to be known as "bad scummy town" cuz it gives them a cover up :/

-nornnor

Well there is open wolfing and truth wolfing but even scum are peculiar on their ways of posting, they have to worry about not mislipping and outing their teammates.
Im not worried at all, i say what i want when i want regardless of how it may look because at the end of the day when I die, i will flip town and you guys will get a lot of information out of my dead.

Just make sure it is not a yeet because yeeting me is super bad for town.

[Guillotina]

I request a prod on Pob Long

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Aristophanes

I asked. Now I'm telling. Come play the game you signed up for.

Yah let's vote on the guy who is on vacation.

[Guillotina]

someone else besides superb (cuz i am not talking to them anymore) point to any real scum reads that superb has had? he's called for me and guillo's policy lim and then now a 'compromise' on pob long? lol why is this town again?

Yeah superb actually sorted in my last game with him and did at least okay at it. That’s why I asked if I am overrating his skill earlier.

Kind of hard to sort when all our interactions are lead by the 3 stooges

who are the 3 stooges?

Gamma guillo and DT

Ok, look, one thing is attacking the play and lie about me and all the stuff that your red faction is supposed to do, because it is part of the bubble. Another one is disrespecting me the way you did there.

May I remind you of rule #3?

"Behaviour - Be respectful. This is a heated game but toxicity will not be tolerated. Attack the play not the player. If your fellow players tell you to stop, you must stop. If you do not stop, I will tell you to stop."

So,

STOP

[Guillotina]

if you really want this game to progress and have action we elim out of superb-guillo-chaos (personal preference is superb) and start afresh d2

Hmmmm what? So, you town read me but you are ok with putting me in that 3-name PoE list? just for the sake of getting more information? Like if you can't negotiate superb, then you'd consider me over chaos? After mindmelding with me about how bad it is to yeet pob long?

Look, the policy lynch proposed by superb is bad and will never happen, but your proposal looks even worse man.

Like really, I'm astonished.

You haven't replied to 782 either.

[Guillotina]

Ok, look, one thing is attacking the play and lie about me and all the stuff that your red faction is supposed to do, because it is part of the bubble. Another one is disrespecting me the way you did there.

Idk if disrespect was the intent there. He just seems to think of our triad as a scumblock of sorts.

Don't matter, I asked him to stop and he said he will so I'm good with that.

[Guillotina]

I said you haven't done any solving at the point of you trying to push pob long for low efforting. that is a true statement because you've only tried any solving on me and that was even after I joined the thread and engaged YOU. not because you were really solving me. and

it's very evident that you haven't read any of my posts

.

eh, if you're gonna continue to be ridiculous, there's no point in me engaging you. it's inconceivable you're town at this point.

sorry but no matter how you look at this you are saying i am too inconceivable to the point that i am town. maybe you were trying to say it's inconceivable to say you're town at this point, but that's not on me. you wrote it in this manner sorry if english isn't your first language not trying to attack your linguistic skill but it reads that way. 'you are too wolfy that you are town at this point'

Sorry Thomas, but i understood it as “there is no way you are town”, ne never townread you there.

[Guillotina]

I said you haven't done any solving at the point of you trying to push pob long for low efforting. that is a true statement because you've only tried any solving on me and that was even after I joined the thread and engaged YOU. not because you were really solving me. and

it's very evident that you haven't read any of my posts

.

eh, if you're gonna continue to be ridiculous, there's no point in me engaging you. it's inconceivable you're town at this point.

sorry but no matter how you look at this you are saying i am too inconceivable to the point that i am town. maybe you were trying to say it's inconceivable to say you're town at this point, but that's not on me. you wrote it in this manner sorry if english isn't your first language not trying to attack your linguistic skill but it reads that way. 'you are too wolfy that you are town at this point'

Sorry Thomas, but i understood it as “there is no way you are town”, ne never townread you there.

do you think Thomas is trying to solve my slot in good faith?

Honestly the exchange between you two has gotten so ridiculous, that i dont feel either of you are trying to solve each other in good faith.

I back DT on regards pob long. We get no info from his yeet and i won't be voting there today.
I rather keep my vote on superb or switch to gamma, those are the two im willing to compromise for in day 1.

I'd like that we the active players try to solve people like chkflip, johnny farrar and taylor too, they are too comfortable letting us beat each other.

[Guillotina]

CHUCKLIP

I refuse to say anything other than chucklip from now on

[Guillotina]

Thomas, a request and a demand.

Request: please use spoiler tags when you're going to ISO dump in a post. I don't need to re-read 20+ posts just to see you reply with like two lines of whatever.

Demand: Stop saying lynch. We use eliminate here. Acclimate yourself. I'm a little surprised the moderator hasn't said anything, but they might only be skimming for votes. It's an offensive word and it'd behoove you to get it in your head not to use it. Thaaaaanks~

Gamma: Why wouldn't I take moderated games into consideration? It's part of your meta.

Pob long: elaborate.

Ok! Thanks for moderating! Now... reads please!

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE: superbowl9

I'm not sure I wanna vote here anymore

[Guillotina]

Why

Because the interactions between DT and you still make me uneasy. Im not ok with voting with people i suspect.

[Guillotina]

What happened to your superb suspicion, then?

It's still there for his willingness to accept any death.

But here is the thing. No wolf is gonna openly talk about policy eliminations. I hate it because i am one of his suggestions but a wolf would be very careful about how he suggests deaths. Superb did it so carefree that it it cant come from a wolf.

I also convinced myself that his policy elimination can't be real because i was his target, i hated it that he was willing to yeet me for the reasons he wanted to, still do. But i policy townread Battle Mage and it would be hypocritical that my policy action is real while hos is fake.

[Guillotina]

Correction: while his is fake

[Guillotina]

There are a few things about DT that i don't like.

1) It reminds me of his wolf game too much, he wolfs when he is town too but he is rational. Here he has been very irrational.
2) When I posted the big spoiler wall about how i pocketed Gamma and mentioned a possible DT-Gamma relation, he ignored it and pushed me bote with him against superb because he wanted to policy lim us. DT is not a newbie, he should know that policy lim suggested so openly cant come from wolf, but I am the noob and i fell for it and that was enough to make ignore my suspicion on DT-Gamma.
3) He pocketed me hard when he said he townread me, being town read when everyone else suspects you feels really validating, and ever since then i've been leaving him alone until i noticed his DT-Gamma relations.

4) Scum reading the entire mafia team on D1 is the equivalent of hitting the lottery and I know im not that lucky. So Superbowl, Gamma, DT can't be the team by that logic and insisting that i must be right is really arrogant, i got a big ass ego but i can keep it in check.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

[Guillotina]

But here is the thing. No wolf is gonna openly talk about policy eliminations.

also not true proven by experience both personal and witnessing someone else

Can that experience be corroborated?

[Guillotina]

bad boy guillo. bad boy

I'm a very bad town boy!

and superb hopping on for an opportunistic wagon :tsk tsk:

It's not opportunistic if you are scum right?

2) When I posted the big spoiler wall about how i pocketed Gamma and mentioned a possible DT-Gamma relation, he ignored it and pushed me bote with him against superb because he wanted to policy lim us. DT is not a newbie, he should know that policy lim suggested so openly cant come from wolf, but I am the noob and i fell for it and that was enough to make ignore my suspicion on DT-Gamma.

i am not reading every single words of every single posts you write. especially if i don't scum read you and have greater focuses elsewhere

That's a good point. Care to invest some of your precious time to help me solve you?

VOTE: Aristophanes
I don't like how much of a gnarl the situation is with the more active players, but it seems like no good agreement is probably gonna be reached there, so I think it's best we defer that issue.

I'm willing to defer that issue voting for you scum. DT, is not this an opportunistic wagon? Pushing someone who is VLA until tomorrow?

that is why I had such a great distaste for superb's push for a policy lim on DT/guillo btw

That's very townie of you.

the fact he's VLA doesn't mitigate the vibes I've already gotten from him.

Which are?

[Guillotina]

how much meta have you done on Thomas, Guillotina?

-tabletop

A considerably good amount. Ive played games where he was scum and town, and also hosted games where he was a player.

[Guillotina]

i know im quiet. its more about spam making the game less fun than anything. im reading along and have some reads but its pretty low-confidence due to noise interfering with the signals.

i do think gamma and chaos are prob town. dt could be town, or at least i dont see myself voting there.
chk and ari could be scum
erbow is probably scum.
guillo is still scum.

Well you are super wrong about me, i suggest you looking somewhere else. If you won't, then case me instead of just calling me scum. Or do you just expect people to take your word for it?

Why are gamma/dt town/town for you?

[Guillotina]

She does. Isn't it

rude?

Nah, it's not rude.

It's arrogant.

[Guillotina]

Well you are super wrong about me, i suggest you looking somewhere else. If you won't, then case me instead of just calling me scum. Or do you just expect people to take your word for it?

The reason she won’t do that is because she knows you will just take her points and “destroy them with facts and logic”. A lot of newer players want like a point by point case they can tear down to feel like they’ve won an argument or interaction, but you can literally technicality and overanalyze your way out of ANY point someone can bring up in this game.

It’s just not an efficient or fun way to play, so a lot of people use more broad terminology and clarify when necessary, and will debate more on the spirit of an argument rather than trying to think up arguments to prove themselves right. Why would anyone with that approach bother to give a nuanced explanation when they know the spirit of that message will not be relevant to the one responding? Yet you view it as “they have no argument! They must have backed off because they were scared of interaction!”

I know this because I used to be that player. I also know this post probably won’t convince you of what I’m saying. But if you’re looking for an explanation as to why I’ve “shaded” you and DT, this is it. Have fun destroying it with facts and logic

What do you know about the reason she will not do it, did she tell you in chat? Why is Taylor ok with this guy answering for her?

So you are saying that if someone accuses me of scum, I shouldnt try to debunk their theory to prove that I'm not? And instead what? Let the accuser lead a wagon to miseliminate me?
When you said that i can “literally overanalyze my way out of any point someone can bring up in this game”, what did you mean? Can you show me examples where i've done this?

These are all legit non rhetorical questions.

[Guillotina]

But here is the thing. No wolf is gonna openly talk about policy eliminations.

also not true proven by experience both personal and witnessing someone else

Can that experience be corroborated?

in terms of how my experience was when i did that? yes there was no consequence in me calling for policy lim and as scum i knew once the town flipped ttown, i wouldn't get heat for anything besides 'why would you try to policy lim??'

calling for policy lim also gives more confusion and negative feeling in the thread that is beneficial for scums, along with another positive (for scum) side effect of making people become more emotional, away from logic and truth

What i meant is if you can provide links here of games where players who have advocated for policy lynch on D1, turned up scum?

Johnny probably staying away from interacting with me and 'calming the thread' while not really taking a stance besides his vote on me is scummy, imo

Mindmeld. Johnny's 1139 made me make a question in my head: “This is weird, why?”

[Guillotina]

all the "scum reads" I got this game

-Too go-with-the-flowy to be town (Chaos)
-Shitting everyone (battle mage)
-Policy lim because he's bad for game health (superb)
-He's biting everyone's head off (Guillotina)
-Used AtE (Chk)

all the "scum reads" I got this game

-Too go-with-the-flowy to be town (Chaos)
-Shitting everyone (battle mage)
-Policy lim because he's bad for game health (superb)
-He's biting everyone's head off (Johnny)
-Used AtE (Chk)
-He's irrational when wolf (Guillotina.. although I don't think I ever wolfed against you besides a game that I subbed in for a day which I don't think really counts but w/e)

What happened here? Couldn't make up your mind?

[Guillotina]

Too go-with-the-flowy to be town

That is a legit reason though, maybe it’s not good but it’s not policy or w/e
Who out of those do you think is most likely to be scum? Do you think the team is on you, if so who would it be?
PEdit: I don’t recall Johnny saying you were scummy with that

I love this post. Legit

[Guillotina]

What i've been trying to figure out here is the gamma/dt relation.

Are they really buddying up?

Or

Is it a pocketing case and if so, who pocketed who?

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE: DoubtingThomas

DT, it seems like you legit town read me, at least you didn't lash off at me when i casted my vote on you. You behaved like someone who really town reads the other.

But i need more.

The moment you told me that you town read me with that odd poem. Why? Why do you town read me.

[Guillotina]

Spoiler:

Well you are super wrong about me, i suggest you looking somewhere else. If you won't, then case me instead of just calling me scum. Or do you just expect people to take your word for it?

The reason she won’t do that is because she knows you will just take her points and “destroy them with facts and logic”. A lot of newer players want like a point by point case they can tear down to feel like they’ve won an argument or interaction, but you can literally technicality and overanalyze your way out of ANY point someone can bring up in this game.

It’s just not an efficient or fun way to play, so a lot of people use more broad terminology and clarify when necessary, and will debate more on the spirit of an argument rather than trying to think up arguments to prove themselves right. Why would anyone with that approach bother to give a nuanced explanation when they know the spirit of that message will not be relevant to the one responding? Yet you view it as “they have no argument! They must have backed off because they were scared of interaction!”

I know this because I used to be that player. I also know this post probably won’t convince you of what I’m saying. But if you’re looking for an explanation as to why I’ve “shaded” you and DT, this is it. Have fun destroying it with facts and logic

What do you know about the reason she will not do it, did she tell you in chat? Why is Taylor ok with this guy answering for her?

So you are saying that if someone accuses me of scum, I shouldnt try to debunk their theory to prove that I'm not? And instead what? Let the accuser lead a wagon to miseliminate me?
When you said that i can “literally overanalyze my way out of any point someone can bring up in this game”, what did you mean? Can you show me examples where i've done this?

These are all legit non rhetorical questions.

It could be that taylor completely disagrees with everything I said (although I suspect she doesn’t) I just saw it as a good opportunity to hijack and explain myself a little

Your reply is exactly what I mean, I can give you examples but will you just “debunk” them? What’s the point? It will take a lot of effort from me to paint you a picture of what I’m talking about but why would I do that when there’s a good chance you’re not going to be looking at it to understand, but looking at it to “debunk”? <-that’s your example right there

Could be but i want to hear it from her.

Why are you not ok with me trying to both understand and debunk?
I feel like you are trying to manipulate my thought process. “Look noob, if you were were town and you were not a noob, you would do it like this, but since you are not, then you are doing it like this”.

This is how it feels. I dont think you are scum, i think you are an elitist, arrogant, ego-tripped town, who views me as a threat to your game experience. The issue with that man is that this a game of mafia where you'll get noobs, experienced, scummy towns, towny wolfs and several thousands of variations! Human behavior is complex and this is why mafia is so fun.

[Guillotina]

also why is guillotina like pretending to know my meta? he's saw my scum game once when it was my first game ever since my 1.5 years long hiatus and I subbed into a bastard mash that was already in a shitty place. would be playing differently no matter what. also I only randed towns in the games he's hosted, and yet that would still read differently reading from a host perspective? hmm maybe that will be my tinfoil slot out of my town core

Because i love playing mafia and i research players that catch my attention. This means i don't only refered to games i played with you or hosted for you, i looked up other past games.

[Guillotina]

UNVOTE: DoubtingThomas

DT, it seems like you legit town read me, at least you didn't lash off at me when i casted my vote on you. You behaved like someone who really town reads the other.

But i need more.

The moment you told me that you town read me with that odd poem. Why? Why do you town read me.

odd poem? I think I said I town read you in multiple posts and do not exactly recall which one you are talking about. which one?

The very first one where you told me something like "I town read you, let's work together to find scum".

[Guillotina]

If you think I’m an elitist preaching down to you idrc, I’m trying to explain to you why I’ve said what I’ve said. I’m not going to get into an argument with you about this but yes, I do view you as a threat to my chances at catching scum this game which is why I’m fine elimming you even if I don’t have a great read on your alignment. I would say this if you were acting the same way regardless of your experience level, but like I said I used to play that way and know it to come from newer players more often.

That is why I say that your are at elitist arrogant town player or (add to that a selfish one too), because you are willing to yeet another town regardless of him being a PR or not, just because he is a threat to YOUR chances at catching scum. This is a team deduction and cooperation game

Well I will tell you this I must not get policy lynched and if I do, you will immediately regret it as all town will (unless of course, you are scum or the serial killer).
So you are gonna have to work with what you got if you are part of my faction sir.

[Guillotina]

Spoiler:

This sounds like you tried hard to find a reason to find me scum, cast a ridiculous vote on me and see if it gains momentum. This gets you lynched where i come from.

You really think you SCARE me? I eat players like you for breakfast. And I don’t think I had to “try hard” to find those reasons. The joke thing is self-evident and as for why it’s scummy, scum don’t really have the mental bandwidth to be figuring out what is and isn’t a joke effectively, they’re to busy trying to deceive everyone to allocate that brainpower. It’s not exactly scientific but it’s what I’ve discerned over time. And your LAMIST behavior comes from stuff like 162 where it seems a little theatrical to be making that sort of commentary, to the point I find it likely that it is actively staged. The desire to project a townie mindset seems a little TOO strong imo.

Interesting choice of words. “I eat players like you for breakfast” in a game where scum are the cannibals. I know that remark is NAI but it was so funny! Lol.

Let's break this down from a psychological stand point.

1) “You really think you SCARE me”? Denotes that you felt threatened by my words. Why?
2) “I eat players like you for breakfast”. You felt the need to threaten me. Why?
3) “I don't think i had to “try hard” to find those reasons”. Implies doubt, meaning you did try hard to find those reasons.
4) “The joke is self-evident”. Even if it was I don't see how falling for a joke is alignment indicative.

Then the nonsense and vastly hilarious.

5) “scum don’t really have the mental bandwidth to be figuring out what is and isn’t a joke effectively”. Are you really gonna case me for not catching a joke? Lol. Ok, that one is a joke! See? I'm town.
6)”they are trying to deceive everyone to allocate that brainpower”. In the name of the entire mafia players community, i apologize for the ignorant statement of this player, he called you all dumb when you randed wolf and won your respective games, he even called himself dumb in the process.
7) “It's not exactly scientific but it's what i've discerned overtime”. I can see you are the very embodiment of genius.
8) “And your LAMIST behavior comes from stuff like 162 where it seems like a little theatrical”. LAMIST only applies if I was wolf which I'm not. I'm strong in my opinions and I'm a badass player. If you are town, you should spend less time hating on me and more on helping catching wolves.
And if you are scum, I can only hope that your partner is not Tayl0r Swift, otherwise, you are both screwed because you suck.

This sounds like you tried hard to find a reason to find me scum, cast a ridiculous vote on me and see if it gains momentum. This gets you lynched where i come from.

You really think you SCARE me? I eat players like you for breakfast. And I don’t think I had to “try hard” to find those reasons. The joke thing is self-evident and as for why it’s scummy, scum don’t really have the mental bandwidth to be figuring out what is and isn’t a joke effectively, they’re to busy trying to deceive everyone to allocate that brainpower. It’s not exactly scientific but it’s what I’ve discerned over time. And your LAMIST behavior comes from stuff like 162 where it seems a little theatrical to be making that sort of commentary, to the point I find it likely that it is actively staged. The desire to project a townie mindset seems a little TOO strong imo.

Actually no. Think about it. An experienced player who is a newbie to the site they are playing, is an experienced player's nightmare at the site they are a regular on.

It makes me unpredictable and scum want as much control of the room as possible, so unpredictability is something they want to avoid. This is why newbies always die first and this is why your push on me is a tiny bit suspicious.

This take is pretty valid; it’s also why replacements tend to get killed when other options aren’t very compelling.

Yah, replacements are a problem for scum, imagine wolves spending time hard pocketing someone and then they sub out and someone with a clear view of the pocket in question outs them. Happens often!

Now imagine a new member joining your homesite where you spent months if not years providing and gathering meta to control the opponent when you rand wolf and out them when you rand town, and this new player joins a game with non of that and outs you solely based on your behavior in that specific game. That gotta suck! This is when you find wolves casting votes on you for the most ridiculous reasons! Does it ring a bell? No? Keep reading.

Then i dont believe you.

The fact you even started to take the bait on that bothers me

I'm new here, i don't know anyone but Thomas here, so forgive me for not catching troll-like jokes from outed scum.

VOTE: Guillotina
Between taking a joke a bit too seriously and having a pretty hard LAMIST tone I’m okay with this going aorn

This sounds like you tried hard to find a reason to find me scum, cast a ridiculous vote on me and see if it gains momentum. This gets you lynched where i come from.

these posts. keep in mind when i did make that read, i mean i didn't think 'you change your meta as you pleased as either alignment' like you expressed in this game. saying that itself also is often times >rand townie, because you are being super open about your scum range which wolves are often scared to do so.

anyways, these posts read very differently than how you played in pantheon mash. i think i skimmed one of your posts where you greatly complimented your play in pantheon mash, but as a pretty loud townie that survived for many days in that mash, i thought you weren't really present in the thread unless you made posts. that may read weirdly, but it sounded like you only came into thread to SHOW that you were posting and that you were pushing people/doing work. real towns leave an impact in the game that resonates within thread even when they aren't in the thread. whenever you came in, sure, you pushed one or two people, but then you left, and then quite frankly i didnt really think about you after you left.

it is a 55+ person mash, so yes it's a bigger game, but there i think you very much stayed away from getting needless attraction. whereas here, you were openly talking about how you are new to the site, how newbies get killed, and etc against some of the louder players. that's something i didn't see from my one sample size game of yours.

Ok. I like this for the most part. However during the mash I was awful busy with work and I was not gonna read 50 pages on content when I came back from work, so it was hard to keep track. When I got nothing to do, I'm a very engaged wolf like I was in "High Noon" and yah, I change my meta almost every game.

[Guillotina]

Why is Taylor ok with this guy answering for her?

so first superbowl speaks for me and then you jump on it and put words in my mouth and say im fine with that. superbowl is scummy for answering the question directed at me, despite the answer being correct. you are scummy for trying to paint it like im partnered with superbowl.

sup er bow l/guillo team

Where did i put words in your mouth?

[Guillotina]

That is why I say that your are at elitist arrogant town player or (add to that a selfish one too), because you are willing to yeet another town regardless of him being a PR or not, just because he is a threat to YOUR chances at catching scum. This is a team deduction and cooperation game

Why would I not want a player gone that hurts my wincon? I've made my position known and if the majority don't agree then you won't get eliminated. Let's compromise, who do you think we can work together to elim? You've been pushing me most of the game so I don't know why you expect me to work with you on that...

Are you willing to keep an open mind? Forget that I'm a noob and an outsider.

If you townread me, that should be enough to keep me if you are town. I pushed you yes and hard! But now I think you are not necessarily the mafia faction. I still suspect that you could be the third party, as such faction is ok with getting anyone yeeted (you have displayed that tendency) or the arrogant selfish town player who only thinks about his game experience.

I hate arrogant people but in mafia that could just be an act.

I remember the second game i Played in MU, I was LHF in that game. There was this guy with a huge ego and an arrogant vile attitude and I hated him, I thought it was real. When the game ended he publicly apologized for LHFing me and he's been giving me hints about how to play and stuff. I still got a long way to go but I'm better than back then.
So this you, as much as I hate it could be just be a made up persona or it could be real, but that does not change the fact that there is a chance that you could still be town, but I need to see town leaning interactions and decisions from you.

People I won't yeet on D1: BM, DoubtingThomas, Cat and Chaos

How about you?

[Guillotina]

Why is Taylor ok with this guy answering for her?

so first superbowl speaks for me and then you jump on it and put words in my mouth and say im fine with that. superbowl is scummy for answering the question directed at me, despite the answer being correct. you are scummy for trying to paint it like im partnered with superbowl.

sup er bow l/guillo team

Where did i put words in your mouth?

specifically it was the bit i quoted about me being fine with super bowel answering.

Ok yah you are right. The question should have been. Taylor, are you ok with him speaking for you?

[Guillotina]

Spoiler:

That is why I say that your are at elitist arrogant town player or (add to that a selfish one too), because you are willing to yeet another town regardless of him being a PR or not, just because he is a threat to YOUR chances at catching scum. This is a team deduction and cooperation game

Why would I not want a player gone that hurts my wincon? I've made my position known and if the majority don't agree then you won't get eliminated. Let's compromise, who do you think we can work together to elim? You've been pushing me most of the game so I don't know why you expect me to work with you on that...

Are you willing to keep an open mind? Forget that I'm a noob and an outsider.

If you townread me, that should be enough to keep me if you are town. I pushed you yes and hard! But now I think you are not necessarily the mafia faction. I still suspect that you could be the third party, as such faction is ok with getting anyone yeeted (you have displayed that tendency) or the arrogant selfish town player who only thinks about his game experience.

I hate arrogant people but in mafia that could just be an act.

I remember the second game i Played in MU, I was LHF in that game. There was this guy with a huge ego and an arrogant vile attitude and I hated him, I thought it was real. When the game ended he publicly apologized for LHFing me and he's been giving me hints about how to play and stuff. I still got a long way to go but I'm better than back then.
So this you, as much as I hate it could be just be a made up persona or it could be real, but that does not change the fact that there is a chance that you could still be town, but I need to see town leaning interactions and decisions from you.

People I won't yeet on D1: BM, DoubtingThomas, Cat and Chaos

How about you?

Let's compromise,

who do you think we can work together to elim?

You: VOTE: superbowl9

This is final. Im not changing it. I believe by tonality and intention of your posts in this game so far that you are 3P.

[Guillotina]

Lolwolves for pushing Ari's yeet because he was V/LA

Gonna lurk now so i can help tmrw lmk who we mislim

This here. I dont know if he is aware of the mistake here. “lmk who we

mislim

”.

mislim means wrong elimination lol

[Guillotina]

Want to be on the record that I still think johnny/chaos/taylor are scummy

good to know sexy prfpc thinks we're scummy

-nornorthescummybear

Good to know? What are you gonna do about it? Also, you read superbowl post, what do you think about it? Are you keeping your vote on Gamma or are you switching to superb? Im interested in your next move here.

[Guillotina]

Good to know? What are you gonna do about it? Also, you read superbowl post, what do you think about it? Are you keeping your vote on Gamma or are you switching to superb? Im interested in your next move here.

1) why do you care?
2) did I not make it clear enough what I am thinking of doing?

-nornorisannoyed

1) I play here
2) No

[Guillotina]

You know what. I dont like Pob's yeet because it would give us no information but i feel we are cutting him too much slack. How many chances we have to give him for him to actually play the game?

[Guillotina]

Im legit mad at that game coaster

[Guillotina]

These games are too ling to let lurkers play these games. Chaos is not feeling good either making us wait this long for a decision. Take a stance Chaos! You vote or not vote for superb! Saying she intents to vote and stalling the game until it cools down sounds like a scum move. If you are not ok with voting, say you retract your intent to hammer then but dont keep us like this!

[Guillotina]

I cant read Taylor, i'll leave her to those that got meta on her.

[Guillotina]

pob's playing very, very differently to Trials Mafia. he was engaging with much more and pushing scum in Trials. he's just disinterested and unmotivated here, could be a difference in alignment.

superbowl feels town to me. if he's scum, he's probably the serial killer and not mafia. mafia would want to claim gunsmith or vig in this position to force a CC. actually, having said that, there is a viable counterwagon in Thomas, it's plausible scum!bowl thinks he can claim VT and effort with the wall to swing votes over to Thomas instead. shrug, I'm inclined to say he's town still, but I shall defer to my far superior hydra partner for this one

-tabletop

Bruh... Serial Killer is just as bad as scum for us!

[Guillotina]

pob feels like a shot in the dark, if I had to guess probably town but an acceptable kill as a gimmick lurker who's never going to get nightkilled or be a factor in the game.

I should go back and try to explain my chaos triforce read.

think chaos is town. why would scum!chaos not vote already?

In this setup? optics. You hammer town prematurely you look bad. have to work your way up to it. Plus plenty of times I've seen scum stay off a wagon on town they figured would go through anyway.

But I don't find the way nora pushed on gamma to be very honest looking at all.

Let's take advantage of the extra time Chaos is giving us then. Can you elaborate on the bolded please?

[Guillotina]

I have very recent scum win meta with erbow.

This... ain't it. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Meta can be faked and changed. I know because I change my meta in every game too.

If you believe we are barking at the wrong tree, show us why based on this game alone.

[Guillotina]

These games are too ling to let lurkers play these games. Chaos is not feeling good either making us wait this long for a decision. Take a stance Chaos! You vote or not vote for superb! Saying she intents to vote and stalling the game until it cools down sounds like a scum move. If you are not ok with voting, say you retract your intent to hammer then but dont keep us like this!

Yeah tbh she seems to be trying to let the pressure drop on superb

Correct, that is exactly how it feels.

[Guillotina]

still pretty sure guillo is scum here.

Then your judgement sucks big time because I'm not.

[Guillotina]

Yeah just get me out this game tbh, im not a PR so its not a big deal anyways. Don’t think I will be able to work with this town

AtE

Self-hammering isnt considered rulebreaking as town, just poor form right?

Poor form

[Guillotina]

Haha Congrats fellow townies!

[Guillotina]

congrats quillotina ig
how did your reads end up tbh

I was wrong all the time. The only good thing I did in this game was soft claim PR and take a shot from scum to potentially save a PR and I'm gonna pretend that PR is you. lol

[Guillotina]

Yikes. My PoE got bigger... this sucks.

Town Leans

• Gamma Force
  Aristophane
  DoubtingThomas

Null

• pob long
  Chaos Triforce

Scum Leans

• chkflip
  Johnny Farrar
  Tayl0r Swift
  superbowl9
  Plusjoyed

Your reads weren't bad when you accepted I was town!

Lol, those reads changed tho. So, no credits for me.

[Guillotina]

congrats quillotina ig
how did your reads end up tbh

I was wrong all the time. The only good thing I did in this game was soft claim PR and take a shot from scum to potentially save a PR and I'm gonna pretend that PR is you. lol

yeah dead thread showed I was a NK target n1 so your play very likely saved me
but yeah I think your reads aren't all bad but you need to learn to not tunnel town

I'm a noob here and it was arrogant from me to play like I was not. Trust me, I'll take it easy in future games, get to know the players here better first.

[Guillotina]

Thanks for hosting Marashu, see you in another kill floor fellas'