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Post Post #62 (isolation #0) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:17 pm

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In post 0, Gypyx wrote:Welcome ! You are the members of the
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, you may talk in this factional PT at any time your roles are :

Midwaybear : Mafia Novice 1-shot Rolestopper
Iconeum : Mafia Night 1-2 JOAT (Neighborizer ; Alien : Rolecop ; Watcher ; Activated Informed)
Petapan : Mafia Informed (knows that Iconeum is a Mafia Night 1-2 JOAT With an activated informed ability that tells them all the modifiers owned by town power roles)
yeap

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sounds about right :lol:
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Post Post #63 (isolation #1) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:18 pm

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finding out i'm scum in this playerlist

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Post Post #64 (isolation #2) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:19 pm

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wait it's N1 already?

i thought i only missed just about my weekend vla
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Post Post #65 (isolation #3) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:20 pm

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40 pages over a weekend

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Post Post #66 (isolation #4) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:26 pm

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Neighborizer ; Alien : Rolecop ; Watcher ; Activated Informed

Neighborizer: If I use this, it's on datisi. Town!Ico would Always do that on Datisi. It *might* backfire, but it probably wont. Strong use.
Alien: whatever. Situational.
Rolecop: potentially strong *if* we find a pr and *if* we manage to kill it (cop, blocker etc)
Watcher: meh
Activated Informed: reminds me of Anna Kournikova. Looks good. Never wins. What is the net gain here? Some information. Probably doesn't really do much until later in the game. Potentially N2 stuff.
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Post Post #67 (isolation #5) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:27 pm

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NB + RC are the strongest N1 options here.
I know i've missed the opening phase, but otoh I was just on weekend vla. Town's own fault to rush a day end.

If it's ok with you guys i'm going for the NB on datisi.
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Post Post #68 (isolation #6) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:27 pm

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i'll probably claim 1-shot NB to them and work from there

have them 'get me in the game and sOlve'
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Post Post #69 (isolation #7) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:28 pm

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I use my neighbourizer shot on datisi


unless my scumteam says otherwise
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Post Post #70 (isolation #8) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:28 pm

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as for the kill, i've not read the game yet. I might skim it.
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Post Post #72 (isolation #9) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:34 pm

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holy lord of dragons that shoshin character

i'd have gone monkeyballs on them (if i was town), which means i'd have to have faked going full monkeyballs on them

good thing i missed the weekend lol
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Post Post #73 (isolation #10) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:37 pm

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ok from my experience, Alisae is a lot scarier when scum vs when town. From the playerlist, ABR is probably the strongest solver?
Noraa's a good player, but lacks certain elements. My job is to pocket datisi.
GE is probably high up on the scary list. SirC as well.

If you wanna off alisae, be my guest. If I'd recommend someone just by playerlevel, i'd go with someone in SirC, GE or ABR.
On top of that Alisae is going to create a LOT of noise and spam, which is a great place to hide in as scum. OTOH, if they smell a scent, they will *NOT* let go. And that's an understatement.
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Post Post #74 (isolation #11) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:38 pm

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In post 55, petapan wrote:
petapan kills alisae


sorry alisae can't have you shaking up the gamestate, would've loved you in the game under different circumstances
this is probably somethign i agree with

i read ABR iso and shoshin iso, looks like town was in quite the shape at the end of day
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Post Post #77 (isolation #12) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:35 pm

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hi petapan

nice to meet you
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Post Post #80 (isolation #13) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:00 pm

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In post 78, petapan wrote:hi iconeum

i was regarded as a decent scum player once but this game is probably way outside my comfort zone, my energy level for day 1 was way low for unrelated reasons but i was a little frozen. did get a flurry of twilight posts in, looking to hopefully enter day 2 strong and hopefully take control of things

midway is new and has not much confidence but i would like to help him out and show him the ropes, it would bring me joy to see him endgame here
don't worry about performance, i'm here to have a good time and (hopefully) get a W but my prime concern is having fun :p

if you wanna have a go at ABR, by all means be my guest

as for MidWay, all i can say is, go for it. Don't be afraid to mess up. There's nothing as funny as learning from the experience.
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Post Post #81 (isolation #14) » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:01 pm

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In post 79, petapan wrote:also i was never a bigtime team player so maybe this can be a learning experience for me?? we shall see
i am definitely not a strong player on site, but i've got my share of experience

if everyone just relaxes and goes with it, we'll be fine :)
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Post Post #96 (isolation #15) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:24 pm

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don't worry too much about what you should be doing

just try to look like ur solving this game and don't worry about stepping on toes

I've caught up with a good part of the game, and I think there's gonna be plenty noise on D2 to hide in

also yeah, i'm gonna be playing catchup, working with datisi on sOlvIng, and generally pushing people around until they townread me
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Post Post #98 (isolation #16) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:38 pm

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In post 97, Gypyx wrote:
In post 89, midwaybear wrote:Also,
can Ico multitask and use any amount of abilities each night, or is he limited to one?
You aren't multitasking by default, so no he can't
who are you to tell me what i can or cannot do
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Post Post #100 (isolation #17) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:42 pm

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midway rolestops gypyx
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Post Post #103 (isolation #18) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:53 pm

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you don't try to solve as town? :p
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Post Post #104 (isolation #19) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:55 pm

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main point is, stop worrying so much :p

also, fuck planning. Sure, discussion about night kills and what other night actions we are taking is required, but you can't really make a game plan on how to handle any single day as far as i'm concerned. At least, not as a team.
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Post Post #105 (isolation #20) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:56 pm

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If you are uncertain on how to handle a certain topic or player, feel free to ask me some feedback in here. But just don't overly worry about having a gameplan. That's for tryhards :p
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Post Post #107 (isolation #21) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:15 pm

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if you wanna go tryhard, we go tryhard

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Post Post #108 (isolation #22) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:15 pm

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i've not done that before as scum, so might be entertaining
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Post Post #109 (isolation #23) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:22 pm

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Step 1: Basics


We need to get parity or better, so here's the playerlist, minus us:

Datisi
Gamma Emerald
VP Baltar
Alisae

SirCakez
DeasVail
Noraa
Albert B. Rampage
innocentvillager

Ali is (hopefully) biting dust real soon. That leaves another 8 town v the 3 of us. Best case is we will need another 2 mis-being thrown into a fucking pits, and 2 clean nightkills.

I'm gonna try and use my hood with datisi for maximum
shits 'n giggles
benefit for us, so we probably don't wanna exe there anytime soon.
That leaves GE, VP, SirC, Deasvail, Noraa, ABR and iv as good mis-being thrown into a fucking pits. Of these, I consideer Noraa, IV and VP as potential 'easy' marks (sowwy).

ABR is probably drawing attention, but they are a solid player and should be able to coop with it.

So, if we put this in tiers:

Noraa
IV
VP

GE
SirC
Deasvail (no experience with this player?)
ABR

if there is an option to have any of the bottom 4 voted out, we take it. Even if that means all 3 of us on-wagon. The bottom 4 are also probably the to-kill list in any case, with the 3 top players being 'safe' push options.

All of this isn't taking much of the game-flow in consideration, and definitely not a whole lot of day 1 play.
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Post Post #110 (isolation #24) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:38 pm

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Step 2: player analysis and predictions (PAAP)


Spoiler: Gamma
Gamma


I think they had a fairly solid day 1, where Shoshin was such a disturbing factor it threw everyone off. In hindsight, I think a strong town is probably fine with that miselim anyway. What matters is how they go from there.

So, Gamma. Based on an ISO dig, there primary targets are going to be Noraa and Midway. I think Gamma is someone who pushes strongly to get reactions, so when Midway comes under pressure, I think they should just cooperate as best as they can. I'll be helping to pile pressure onto Noraa, and see what happens there. I've seen them crack under pressure as town, and they can really scum it up then :p

This player is in my top 2 of scary list.


Spoiler: ABR
ABR

I've got some experience with them, and IIRC they correctly identified me as town in the Roses game. I might have fooled them in 1 game, but i'm not sure about that. I think I can be townread by them, nontheless they are great and logical solver. Beware.
Seems to be most 'present' player so far, I expect them to be most influencial when it comes to deciding the lynch.
As with GE, they got sidetracked by Shoscum. Expect them to be pointing there nose in every direction. As with GE, I expect them to pile pressure on Noraa early.

Equally scary as GE. Maybe even more. Fully expecting them to be sorting me as well, because from their PoV they 'can read me correctly'. Probably my main test on D2, together with the datisi hood. Chances of miselim on this player on D2 are low, probably need to nightkill. Main reason why i'd choose GE or ABR over Ali is that we probably can't get either of these players out thru dayplay anyway.
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Post Post #111 (isolation #25) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:40 pm

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inbetween thought

i miiiight go for a defence of Noraa based on 'recent games with her', where this is town!meta for them. Somewhat risky because TMI etc, but maybe worth a shot if wagon spots are limited.
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Post Post #112 (isolation #26) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:43 pm

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*MUST READ*

Most important take-away so far:

We will need at LEAST 2 nightkills to win, and i'm betting that both ABR and GE are going to be among them. After 2 nightkills, massclaim is going to be a thing and we may not get opportunity to kill these players because of mech play. Killing Ali now means we might lose a shot on either of these players later on. Seeing how stacked our roles are, expect town to have a shitload of pr's as well. This is a 'normal' game after all.
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Post Post #116 (isolation #27) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:25 pm

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In post 114, petapan wrote:i'm not anticipating a strong set of town prs because our utility is kind of limited
disagree with your disagree, kinda

towns these days are loaded to begin with, and i think 3-shot of what we have +3team scum member means town is gonna have some strong guns to work with
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Post Post #117 (isolation #28) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:26 pm

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i mainly want you to realize what it means if we take out Ali now, and that we probably won't be able to shoot in the 'top tier' list later on because of that

otoh, ali isn't a bad shot, they are a good player when in the moody mood
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Post Post #118 (isolation #29) » Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:34 pm

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Case point:

this is the setup of the previous game Gypyx modded

Spoiler:
Role list :

Town 1-Shot Bulletproof Vengeful
Town Novice 3-Shot Vigilante
Town Ascetic Indecisive Doctor Neighbour
Town Role Watcher Neighbour
Town Combined Vanilla Cop Mailman
VT
VT
VT
VT
VT
Mafia Odd-night Complex Traffic Analyst
Mafia Informed (there is an Ascetic player in the game)
Mafia goon


yes that's right

a goon, informed of there being 1 ascetic, and a TA

vs 1x BP vengefull, 3x vig, doc neighbour, role watcher neighbour, and a vanilla cop mailman

I reckon we have *more* power then that setup, so i'm deducting town has *more* power then that setup
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Post Post #122 (isolation #30) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:01 am

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i feel no right or need to force the kill upon you after not being here for Day 1, just wanted to get my thoughts in so in case i'm right i can go 'i told you so' afterwards for a glorious memory
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Post Post #160 (isolation #31) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:20 pm

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In post 127, Gypyx wrote:There is no neighborhood
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Post Post #161 (isolation #32) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:22 pm

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In post 134, petapan wrote:wtf is going on
In post 136, midwaybear wrote:Town has 4+ PRs
hm
ur acting surprised

i literally said this :p
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Post Post #162 (isolation #33) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:23 pm

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i should probably read game first lol

spicey things happening?
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Post Post #165 (isolation #34) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:28 pm

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In post 986, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Peta and midway are 100% town.
yeah so ehhh like i said

ABR is really scary :lol:
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Post Post #166 (isolation #35) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:45 pm

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better start keeping track of claims

this might get a bit messy during my catchup

IV: disloyal hider
ABR: tracker
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Post Post #167 (isolation #36) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:55 pm

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shoulda shot ABR and i'm using my 'i told you so' at this point :p
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Post Post #170 (isolation #37) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:06 pm

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In post 129, petapan wrote:we gotta activated informed n2 i think, this is significant
i doubt that actually
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Post Post #171 (isolation #38) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:06 pm

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i'm about to blow this game wide open with a spicey claim tho
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Post Post #172 (isolation #39) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:07 pm

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which might set up a D3 AB pr flip
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Post Post #174 (isolation #40) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:11 pm

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fair enough :p
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Post Post #176 (isolation #41) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:12 pm

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from what I can tell now, Alien is a likely action i might have to take, pending further claims

blocking one of the living pr's on N2 is probably a good thing
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Post Post #177 (isolation #42) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:37 pm

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I think datisi is town
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Post Post #179 (isolation #43) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:45 pm

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Sort-of-a-plan currently in my head:

attempt at mis-exe IV
we alien SirC
we kill ABR

that sets up a potential mis-exe of SirC on D3, no?
our next kill is probably going to be the IC, VP
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Post Post #180 (isolation #44) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:54 pm

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In post 175, petapan wrote:now that they are the alien is the obvious choice

what are you going to claim?
i'm going with a simple 1-shot neighbourizer, that i targeted datisi and failed

i'm crumbing information about my action not going through, and there being a FN

how i'm handling this should give me +towny points I think
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Post Post #181 (isolation #45) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:55 pm

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In post 137, petapan wrote:midway, depending on what cakez claims, you MAY want to counterclaim a role. i think that is the only way you survive this day. some sort of protective is probably for the best. let's start planning it now
i STRONGLY disagree with this at this point

if this came to massclaim right now, i think vt is a good claim for the both of you
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Post Post #182 (isolation #46) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:56 pm

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oh shit i forgot we have a full rolestop shot as well

actually might wanna consider saving that until later, will pend on further claims and the actual flip this day
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Post Post #183 (isolation #47) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:41 pm

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a SirC exe over IV would be amazing not gonna lie

but i can't burn my hands on that stuff right now
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Post Post #184 (isolation #48) » Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:54 pm

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tbf, most of this back and forth with datisi WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IN A HOOD

I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE POCKETING HIM IN OUR HOOOOOD

NO I'M NOT SALTY ABOUT THAT AT ALL
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Post Post #186 (isolation #49) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:23 am

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what do you guys think?

ride the wave that is ABR and just kill a claimed detective here, hiding behind ABR?

i think it's +utility for us and might open up later kills during the night because we need to get rid of town power asap

We might be able to like, exe Sirc. Then kill maybe IV and have ABR stand there with his pants down lol
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Post Post #187 (isolation #50) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:24 am

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and when that happens, there's a 1-shot nb claim, a FN, an ascetic(?) player to back it up, but that might show too low town power.

hmm

i'll continue this train of thought tomorrow
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Post Post #188 (isolation #51) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:24 am

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getting rid of Sirc AND ABR is a lot stronger if you look at gamestate control.
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Post Post #189 (isolation #52) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:28 am

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In post 1643, Iconeum wrote:more from me tomorrow unless ya'll decide to quickplay this shit again
absolutely feel free to quickplay this shit if an opportunity on SirC or ABR comes to bare. I want them both dead.
IV not so much.
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Post Post #206 (isolation #53) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:10 pm

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In post 191, petapan wrote:
In post 1542, Datisi wrote:this is obviously a game full of mech fuckery, and for him to be scum here there'd have to be some galaxy brain mech wizard scumbuddy who's figured out enough about the setup to tell ico what and how to soft/crumb and then what to claim later *and* have it not collide with whatever other roles claim by that point (and i don't think i see anyone on that list anywayyyy)
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Post Post #207 (isolation #54) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:10 pm

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it's fine

kinda
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Post Post #208 (isolation #55) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:11 pm

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In post 192, petapan wrote:the safe route would be alienate him tonight and rolestop n3 preventing any possibility of a result.
i was considering this as a strong option, but i'm not sure we wanna have ABR power through this game after a couple of his suspects flip green
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Post Post #209 (isolation #56) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:11 pm

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In post 194, petapan wrote:any mechanically-minded player could see a hole in this plan so big you could fly a 747 through it, and i'd sure as hell be pointing it out if i was town, but i'm not, so lol
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Post Post #212 (isolation #57) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:57 pm

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true true

but i feel that if i hammer at this point

i think we kinda need to kill datisi actually
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Post Post #214 (isolation #58) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:58 pm

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In post 210, petapan wrote:although it occurred to me that the fn visit might have also roleblocked you (not out of the question given these roles) and that's why there's no hood
that's possible, but it doesn't hurt my drop about probably 3 more pr's (an interfering role because my shot didn't work, my hood shot, the FN)
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Post Post #215 (isolation #59) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:00 pm

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we can probably win this without having to kill VP at one point, if I can successfully pocket them.

ABR is like a blind projectile, can't really predict where they gonna end up for reads on D3.
A flip now on SirC would set up the noraa slot for miselim on d3 i think, with DV and ABR also potentially miselims.

I think datisi would be the kill yeah. They also one of the more mechanically minded players, so would be good getting them out.
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Post Post #216 (isolation #60) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:02 pm

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alternatively, a Noraa flip and sequential kill on Datisi would set up an awesome day 3 for us because ABR and SirC are probably gonna cloud up the game even further. SirC, DV, ABR are all potential misflips at that point.

Assuming we kill datisi as well, which is the right call I think.
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Post Post #217 (isolation #61) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:04 pm

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imo both options are fine
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Post Post #218 (isolation #62) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:11 pm

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The Road To Parity #1 (TRTP1)


Datisi
(potential ascetic)
Gamma Emerald
VP Baltar (potential fn)
SirCakez
(claimed investigative)
DeasVail
Noraa (claimed vt)
Albert B. Rampage (claimed monstrosity investigative)
innocentvillager

ico
mdw
peta

this brings us to D3 where we might run up Noraa fast. DV is a potential misflip. Town might turn on ABR.
Next, noraa would get yeeted ideally. We can kill someone like GE or VP pending reads and stuff.

Gamma Emerald

VP Baltar (potential fn)
DeasVail
Noraa (claimed vt)

Albert B. Rampage (claimed monstrosity investigative)
innocentvillager

ico
mdw
peta

bringing us to

VP Baltar (potential fn)
DeasVail
Albert B. Rampage (claimed monstrosity investigative)
innocentvillager

ico
mdw
peta

this lylo for example. A FN that is gonna be confirmed. An investigate (ABR) that is probably confirmed at that point.

Ok this isn't ideal. I'll work on this later, maybe. I think after datisi we will need to kill in either ABR or the fn claim.
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Post Post #219 (isolation #63) » Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:36 pm

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like

random thought about the night kill

i'm gonna cry if datisi is bulletproof ascetic lol
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Post Post #221 (isolation #64) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:12 am

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do you think i can slip in a hammer at this point, or are we better off waiting and see what happens?
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Post Post #222 (isolation #65) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:15 am

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i'm sorry for asking that out loud, was more to myself then an actual question
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Post Post #223 (isolation #66) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:24 am

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Midway probably does the killing this night btw
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Post Post #224 (isolation #67) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:37 am

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midway kills datisi

Ico alienates ABR
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Post Post #226 (isolation #68) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:49 am

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In post 225, Gypyx wrote:Petapan is the one who performed the kill last night though
and?
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Post Post #228 (isolation #69) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:57 am

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at least i made you miss a page bottom
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Post Post #234 (isolation #70) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:41 pm

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just for the record, i think you guys are mixing things up?

ABR is an even night motion detector
IV is a disloyal hider

so in order to get a guilty, ABR has to motion detect IV, who has to target either of us, and nobody can interfere with either of their actions. Same goes with his odd night tracker

am I wrong in seeing it like this?
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Post Post #235 (isolation #71) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:42 pm

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if I alien ABR, his action doesn't go thru, and nobody can target them. Thus, no guilty can be made by either of those investigate roles. The only 'problem' the hider can cause is if we target them for death, and they hide behind scum. They'll effectively be unkilleable in that very specific scenario.
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Post Post #236 (isolation #72) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:44 pm

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we kill datisi because there is a +++++++chance they are also a town power role, ascetic + maybe (probably?) smt else.

ABR is going to be our battering ram, which is hopefully pointed in the wrong direction. Otherwise i'll discredit them. Massclaim is also going to be a thing on the next day. I'm still thinking both of you are better off claiming VT.
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Post Post #237 (isolation #73) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:45 pm

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midway performs the kill because *if* anything happens that guilties them because of that, I think they are the most burned scumslot anyway (no offense)
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Post Post #238 (isolation #74) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:48 pm

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also my dudes, i'll be in weekend vla when day starts

so just chillax ok

don't stress out

i'll be lurking anyway and i'll step in if it's needed

i think we are doing fine, there's a couple strong potential misflips out there for day 3

@midway, if you do somehow end up being the day 3 exe, that's fine and don't feel bad about it. If things start to go real south on you we might bus you.
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Post Post #239 (isolation #75) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:54 pm

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in reality tho, the noraa slot *should* be something we manage to mis-exe next

then we can kill someone like VP, because FN and all

we'll see how it goes
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Post Post #241 (isolation #76) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:56 pm

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the only real issue i see here is lylo

who the fuck can we kill in lylo for the win

ABR? They're a beast and aren't going down without a kick and a scream. Rough.
GE? If they get their feet in this game, a force to be reckoned with. For now, not really a threat (yet).
IV? Probably our best bet, if we can get enough town power roles flippped and go 'hur dur scummy butt'
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Post Post #242 (isolation #77) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:57 pm

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In post 240, petapan wrote:
In post 234, Iconeum wrote:just for the record, i think you guys are mixing things up?

ABR is an even night motion detector
IV is a disloyal hider

so in order to get a guilty, ABR has to motion detect IV, who has to target either of us, and nobody can interfere with either of their actions. Same goes with his odd night tracker

am I wrong in seeing it like this?
he'd also get a 'guilty' if he targeted either of you and iv targeted you, since he'd be visiting you. Motion_Detector gets a positive both if their target visited someone, or if someone visited their target

however, this is all a moot point, as we're alienating him so he won't get a result
true, but the main point is that IV's role is very weak by itself and we shouldn't be scared of it unless we specifically wanna kill them at night (which is never happening this game)
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Post Post #245 (isolation #78) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:20 pm

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In post 243, petapan wrote:i would personally love to get midway to endgame, my first game with him he got called out by pretty much everyone and broke my heart with his selfhammer, i want to help him improve if i can. it might not happen but it'd be fun if it did.
hey i've been doing what I can in-game to townread em

it was just a statement that *if for whatever reason* things go south on his slot, they shouldn't feel bad about being exe'd. They are doing good so far.
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Post Post #247 (isolation #79) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:07 pm

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This may be premature, but let's assume our NK goes thru


Live footage of datisi realizing they were the NK (colourized):

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Post Post #248 (isolation #80) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:08 pm

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Also, live action footage of ABR doing his best to run over this town:

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Post Post #250 (isolation #81) » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:44 am

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i've taken this pt way too seriously so far :p
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Post Post #251 (isolation #82) » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:44 am

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oh daddy

tho that's entirely peta's fault
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Post Post #262 (isolation #83) » Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:48 pm

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Midway fair warning

If you scum read me you better have a solid thought to back it up because town Ico doesn't take being scum read lightly
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Post Post #265 (isolation #84) » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:21 am

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In post 263, Gypyx wrote:Petapan receives the following information :

You know that VP Baltar is aligned with the
Town


he targets both scum lol

we certainly be deepwolfing lol
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Post Post #266 (isolation #85) » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:25 am

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ngl , this fighting with abr is tons of fun
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Post Post #267 (isolation #86) » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:26 am

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town actually doesn't want massclaim? fine by me
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Post Post #268 (isolation #87) » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:45 am

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kinda thinking we push this to massclaim to out that roleblocker tho

*something* stopped me from hooding datisi and it wasn't him being ascetic...
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Post Post #269 (isolation #88) » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:46 am

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detective
motion detector tracker
disloyal hider
fn
roleblocker??
backup roleblocker


like holy fuck that's at least 6 named townies
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Post Post #270 (isolation #89) » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:47 am

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town rb + a backup??

okay they can mess with town power as well, so maybe
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Post Post #271 (isolation #90) » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:47 am

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so like, who's the roleblocker then??
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Post Post #273 (isolation #91) » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:48 am

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gamma or DV for roleblocker then
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Post Post #274 (isolation #92) » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:48 am

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In post 272, midwaybear wrote:I think we might have a fn/roleblock in the same role.
would they fn AND roleblock me tho?

Oooh spicey

they are not multitasking and block the player when performing their action
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Post Post #275 (isolation #93) » Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:49 am

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no that is impossible because they woulda blocked you from killing hmmmm
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Post Post #285 (isolation #94) » Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:12 pm

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Okay so that makes sense
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Post Post #286 (isolation #95) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:28 am

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Vp must die next that roleblock plus conf town is too strong
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Post Post #300 (isolation #96) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:31 pm

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In post 287, petapan wrote:yeah, obv he dies. midway rolestops me to prevent a block, and i kill him. i think there's basically no chance he'd target me again, but we can 100% guarantee he gets killed this way.
this would depend on who we flip, because there will be a tracker on the prowl next night
tho ABR's credibility has taken a dunk
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Post Post #301 (isolation #97) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:18 pm

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with an ABR flip and a VP nightkill, we have both DV and GE open for misflip and straight out win tomorrow
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Post Post #302 (isolation #98) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:18 pm

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but i'd like to check if the setup would make sense for that, because that means we have what exactly?
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Post Post #303 (isolation #99) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:21 pm

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Tracker/motion detector
detective
backup rb
rb fn
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disloyal hider

would town believe that is actually the setup? maybe the disloyal hider gets busted then, i dunno
a solve tomorrow would have to be smt like IV/GE/DV

that can work, no?
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Post Post #304 (isolation #100) » Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:21 pm

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there's an alternative route where we don't kill VP, and gamble a bit on where they roleblock

it's super risky tho
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Post Post #321 (isolation #101) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:23 pm

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Guys abr is still a very critical flip
Why we moving off?
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Post Post #328 (isolation #102) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:42 pm

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In post 2463, innocentvillager wrote:rather than control, more like passively support town just ripping each others faces off
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Town in dead chat probably screaming at this game lol
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Post Post #330 (isolation #103) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:09 pm

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don't think this game is won yet

abr flipping town is gonna shake them awake
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Post Post #331 (isolation #104) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:09 pm

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but there is still gamma/DV/dunn to misyeet

neither are solid town to lead this game at this point
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Post Post #332 (isolation #105) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:10 pm

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it's absolutely critical we get this ABR misflip
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Post Post #335 (isolation #106) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:18 pm

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this is insane
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Post Post #336 (isolation #107) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:18 pm

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i mean

this town is insane lol
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Post Post #337 (isolation #108) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:20 pm

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i'm gonna try and ride this

'i knew VP was confirmeable townie' all the way to endgame i hope
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Post Post #339 (isolation #109) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:23 pm

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so like

mdw rolestops peta

peta kills VP?
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Post Post #340 (isolation #110) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:24 pm

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In post 338, petapan wrote:game plays itself, ico

if only i could see the look on people's faces after that flip

i will avoid premature celebrations but we have entangled them in so much conflict and chaos at this point that it is basically impossible for anyone to come close to getting the team, even if they suspect one of us

so long as we are careful to avoid sloppy mistakes, we should win
i'm extremely paranoid, because in the last gypyx game i played, scum was literally in this position and a funky role blew it out of the water for them
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Post Post #341 (isolation #111) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:25 pm

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4v3 tomorrow

if town wanna kill one of us, and we don't bus, they need all 4 town votes alligned
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Post Post #342 (isolation #112) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:25 pm

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i mean, i agree this should be a done deal but i wanna be diligent and see this thru so we can actually celebrate
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Post Post #346 (isolation #113) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:32 pm

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(the fn with roleblock is a magnificent role in a setup with this much town power btw)
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Post Post #347 (isolation #114) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:32 pm

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In post 345, petapan wrote:but regardless of the outcome (though hopefully a win) you guys are my favorite teammates ever and i am extremely proud of both of you
it's definitely in my top three :p
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Post Post #348 (isolation #115) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:39 pm

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In post 0, Gypyx wrote:Petapan : Mafia Informed (knows that Iconeum is a Mafia Night 1-2 JOAT With an activated informed ability that tells them all the modifiers owned by town power roles)
just a little game, but what would we have gotten with the information we already know?
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Post Post #349 (isolation #116) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:40 pm

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lazy even-odd
what was the detective again?
backup
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Post Post #352 (isolation #117) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:52 pm

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In post 350, Gypyx wrote:
In post 346, Iconeum wrote:(the fn with roleblock is a magnificent role in a setup with this much town power btw)
You really think so? :oops:

Pedit : well you would've gotten all the modifers town power roles have?

Ppedit :
Would've been like

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Post Post #353 (isolation #118) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:52 pm

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oh you forgot the 1-shot (of the neighbourizer)
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Post Post #355 (isolation #119) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:55 am

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Live footage of town, some 6 hours ago, reading the flip (with scum appearing in the background on the right at the beginning of the gif)

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Post Post #356 (isolation #120) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:56 am

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ABR upon joining the dead thread

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Post Post #357 (isolation #121) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:57 am

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Scum, in 2 days from now, trying to look disturbed over the ABR flip

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Post Post #365 (isolation #122) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:49 am

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In post 363, petapan wrote:very funny to look back on day 1 and me being unmotivated and afraid to post lol

feels GOOD to get back in the groove

midaybear, if you liked any of the advice/coaching i gave you, you should copy it and save it somewhere - i'll probably be redacting a bunch of it when this game is over. i don't mind people knowing how i think as mafia but it wouldn't be fair to leave an open playbook to read you by.
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Post Post #366 (isolation #123) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:49 am

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Gif game

Plz

Yes
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Post Post #369 (isolation #124) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:16 pm

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can we have an F in chat for what could have been a glorious game where I neighbourized datisi

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Post Post #372 (isolation #125) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:12 pm

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potential for a push on IV:

-too many town power roles
-fake claim could fit him being the 'scum roleblocker' (remember, it's confirmed who VP blocked, and it's confirmed ABR got blocked as well)
-him not dying fits the scum fakeclaim - plus if he got tracked he's got an out
-they were eager to claim, suggesting the fake claim was prepped
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Post Post #379 (isolation #126) » Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:19 pm

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In post 376, petapan wrote:coordinating a hammer might be tough given time zones. what times are people going to be around?
In post 377, midwaybear wrote:Ico and I seem to be on opposite ends of the world. Probably during the morning for me which is late for him.
this is probably going to go the distance as far as deadline is concerned, which is a 50/50 in our favour anyway.

As far as hammering is concerned, once I see that a town wagon is getting critical, i'll increase my lurking hours a bit :p

i'm not focusing on getting that quickhammer in tho, play this nice and slow. No rushing.
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Post Post #382 (isolation #127) » Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:31 pm

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In post 381, Gypyx wrote:Night 4 results :

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You know that VP Baltar is aligned with the
Town
that's 3 for 3 scum

(tho this was obviously a block attempt at scum read)
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Post Post #383 (isolation #128) » Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:15 pm

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Post Post #384 (isolation #129) » Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:34 am

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I'm kinda just rolling with the flow here. It seems peta and I can/are being townread by Dunn and IV, I think that is a solid 'townblock' to flip either of gamma or DV from. Gotta work a little around midway here, but even their flip isn't detrimental to our game I think.
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Post Post #397 (isolation #130) » Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:19 pm

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dudes chill a bit

this day is gonna take a while, and at one point or another we are all gonna be on the plate (or should be, at least, if town works properly)
midway taking *some* pressure is very normal, it's on us to point town away from him ever so slightly

just don't burn your towncredit protecting mdw, peta :)
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Post Post #399 (isolation #131) » Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:30 am

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i feel like this probably ends well when town is pressured to vote by deadline pressure, into DV I think

just don't give the idea you are rushing things
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Post Post #401 (isolation #132) » Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:48 am

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patience is absolutely key here
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Post Post #405 (isolation #133) » Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:37 pm

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How is your reread going Peta?
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Post Post #407 (isolation #134) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:16 am

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I'll be out of weekend vla in about 12 hoirs

Ready to harvest this towns apathy
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Post Post #411 (isolation #135) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:09 pm

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don't worry midway

i saw you throwing shit at me

prepare to get wrecked you scummy scumbut
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Post Post #412 (isolation #136) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:40 pm

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Post Post #413 (isolation #137) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:41 pm

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we are in hammer range bois
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Post Post #414 (isolation #138) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:41 pm

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Post Post #415 (isolation #139) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:43 pm

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Post Post #416 (isolation #140) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:44 pm

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live footage of peta rn

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Post Post #417 (isolation #141) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:46 pm

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mafia team alligning 3 votes for the quickhammer

expectation v reality

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Post Post #419 (isolation #142) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:49 pm

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which one exactly?
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Post Post #421 (isolation #143) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:51 pm

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small serious note here:

we are NOT, i repeat

we are NOT quickhammering coordinated by all 3 of us

Stuff like that cost scumteam the (certain) victory in the last Gypyx 'normal' game

i'd blow up maximum 2 of our slots here, but i can see town piling more votes as well
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Post Post #422 (isolation #144) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:54 pm

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Live action footage of Iconeum, upon spotting the first town-on-town vote in LYLO

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Post Post #423 (isolation #145) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:55 pm

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ok full meme time
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Post Post #424 (isolation #146) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:56 pm

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#sorrynotsorry
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Post Post #426 (isolation #147) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:12 pm

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I know Ali loves my meme game so here you go

Spoiler: ABR self-hammer
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Spoiler: Dadditisi realizing they were the NK
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Spoiler: petapan, some weeks ago, finding out they rolled scum
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Spoiler: VP upon learning they targeted all 3 scum in a row
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Spoiler: midwaybear being cute
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Spoiler: DV being accused by literally the entire game and their mothers
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Spoiler: IV actually being close to solving this
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Spoiler: Dunnstral going after Gamma
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Spoiler: Alisae repping in, ready to smash this scumteam
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Spoiler: SirC fighting ABR
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Spoiler: Scumconeum @scumteam
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Post Post #427 (isolation #148) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:12 pm

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this would have been an amazing pagetop but oh well
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Post Post #428 (isolation #149) » Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:16 pm

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YOU CAN DO IT, DV

VOTE SCUMERALD

DOOOO IIIIIIITTTTTTT
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Post Post #430 (isolation #150) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:52 am

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i'm tying myself into Gamma here, in case i get flipped
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Post Post #439 (isolation #151) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:09 pm

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i've gone down that path so yeah
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Post Post #440 (isolation #152) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:10 pm

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don't worry about this

we are still on a path to victory here
IV is really salvaging this game for town tho

in case i get flipped prior to gamma, that slot is completely burned
there's a chance this game goes the distance, but peta is secure as deepwolf i think
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Post Post #442 (isolation #153) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:50 pm

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as long as gamma stays the default option today, and not me or peta we are fine yeah

worst case, gamma slot doesn't live in lylo i can imagine

everyone thinks we are looking at DV for the misflip, which is fine
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Post Post #443 (isolation #154) » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:50 pm

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don't worry about me btw, i'm feeling absolutely fine in-game

i need to be overdramatic here to act like town!ico :p
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Post Post #445 (isolation #155) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:22 am

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you guys can absolutely organize hammer here btw

when ur both online, meet up in here and VOTE DUNN'S ASS OFF

gamestate is deteriorating, and not in our favour

if you see opportunity, hammer away and put this baby to bed
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Post Post #447 (isolation #156) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:30 am

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alright i'll just keep having some fun itt meanwhile :p
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Post Post #448 (isolation #157) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:58 am

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imagine the screaming going on in dead chat rn
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Post Post #449 (isolation #158) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:03 am

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omg peta why are you treating me like this

ur so annoying

y u no wanna read my posts
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Post Post #451 (isolation #159) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:09 am

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OMG UR HERE

LET'S FUCKING END THIS SHIT
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Post Post #454 (isolation #160) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:10 am

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midway u ready to vote gamma here?

or how you guys wanna handle this
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Post Post #455 (isolation #161) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:10 am

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@midway vote for gamma NOW
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Post Post #456 (isolation #162) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:10 am

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give me a heads up in here
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Post Post #457 (isolation #163) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:11 am

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midddwaaayyyyyyyyyyyy
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Post Post #459 (isolation #164) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:12 am

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where u @ homieeee

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i'm standing by

ready when u are
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Post Post #461 (isolation #165) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:13 am

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heart pounding

racing

send help
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Post Post #462 (isolation #166) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:13 am

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did we do it
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Post Post #463 (isolation #167) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:16 am

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GYPYX DID WE DOOO IIITTT OR NOT
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Post Post #464 (isolation #168) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:16 am

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GYYPPYYYYYXXXXX
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Post Post #465 (isolation #169) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:16 am

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gypox pls
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Post Post #466 (isolation #170) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:16 am

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where u
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Post Post #468 (isolation #171) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:18 am

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town is so absolutely lost lol
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Post Post #469 (isolation #172) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:18 am

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i'm just assuming the best here

gentleman

it was my pleasure
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Post Post #471 (isolation #173) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:19 am

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uh oh
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Post Post #472 (isolation #174) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:23 am

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Post Post #473 (isolation #175) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:24 am

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this is
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Post Post #474 (isolation #176) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:24 am

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it

my dudes
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Post Post #475 (isolation #177) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:25 am

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one daddy to rule them all
one daddy to find them
one daddy to bring them all
and in darkness
daddy them
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Post Post #478 (isolation #178) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:30 am

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In post 476, petapan wrote:Iconeum, you were awesome this game. You reminded me of the important thing, which is to have fun
cheers

now if u'll excuse me
i'm skipping the glass

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Post Post #479 (isolation #179) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:32 am

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i'm not gonna write a big speech like peta but

peta, there's nothing i can learn you in this game outside of what you said, and that's having fun. Imagine winning without that, it's insane. Imagine losing while having fun? Yeah.

midway… u are on a path to becoming a good player. I hope you learned from this game. Just keep playing and get crucial experience and u'll be one of mafia's finest in no time. It was a pleasure playing with you both.
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Post Post #480 (isolation #180) » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:34 am

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@gypyx, no redactions from me
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