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Hello. Here to fix this shitshow of a game. Have been following along somewhat passively and have general reads but need to do a full readthrough. Top of my head had andres and fuzzy as town at a glance, see Dunn has claimed an innocent on N_M, would put mafia in {unwnd, FL, noraa, plusjoyed, johnny, gera, nopoint}. Just as a preliminary grouping.

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unwnd seems pretty lifeless this game.

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shelly's start looks pretty town, goes together with noraa's replace-in looking town.

nopoint's vote on Dunnstral early on page 4 looked bad the first time I saw it, doesn't look any better on a reread.

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I don't feel like high efforting right now.

VOTE: nopointinactingup

Haven't liked the votes/pushes hes made, early townread of Johnny came across way too confident for what he'd done especially seeing as how at the time he was trying to string up dunn for a similar early townread.

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That didn't seem to be a problem in that large game, you showed up and were easily able to cut through the apathy and tear scum apart.

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I see. Don't really buy it, but okay.

Having seen FL's claim, I'll just say I have reason to believe it's true.

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Read back through page 16 again, probably not doing any super detailed analysis. nopoint actually looked a little more towny but still isn't great overall, probably one of the people voting me right now is scum, as a guess, so him or johnny.

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Johnny could be scum, but on a gut level from his posts I don't feel it, his response to getting accused mid D1 didn't look that scummy. I'll wagon someone just for the sake of a wagon though.

@ Plus
Yes I am a newbie..... been one for 7+ now. I am glad someone finally noticed, Now I can leave MS complete. By everyone take care

@Not Mafia
You mean I can't be like you last game where you did nothing and won. I am disappointed. I wanted to be like you but I guess I cant now

Do you have actual thoughts outside of snappy comebacks?

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All these close to naked votes on FL as he's about to show effort makes me think he's town unless I'm missing something and effort-FL is a scum thing. FL's wagon actually was pretty productive there's gotta be some scum material here. Dunn's vote is pretty scummy and I already have a scum-read on him so I have no qualm about joining his wagon.
Vote:Dunntral

Towns are unwnd, andres, johnny, fuzzy, Plus. scumies are dunn, maybe FL

These posts came 12 minutes apart.

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I'll confess to playing suboptimal this game. So here's my top of the dome read:

Insane seems town, unlike hank, but does also tie himself to flavortown

Fuzzo prolly town still. Don't really have any nuanced thoughts beyond that. I like their last post and excited to see the vca

Plus asks good questions so I don't really wanna Elim them

Unwnd just.... not wanting? To play better? Feels bad.

Noraa is cool

Prolly not gonna vote nopo today

Do you have any scumreads at all? (I don't know how I seem town, I've done basically nothing)

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Can you phrase that different

it's like you're tossing out weak townreads to a lot of slots and gonna vote for whoever isn't in that cluster. It seems like a scum tactic

I have a very hard time seeing him throwing out so many townreads as a scum strategy, actually.

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not sure what to do here,,,,,,I dont want to vote flavor as I want to give him more time to be sorted but we are now against the deadline.... I think I might vote Flavor bc of us hitting the deadline. I am not sure

Don't care for this post actually.

I'm liking this shelly wagon, her blatant shading/ignoring points against her is scummy.

Titus and Dunn are clearly scum here.

FL trying to tie Dunn to Titus here near the end of the day looks pretty scummy too, I wouldn't rule out FL-dunn bussing team.

so nopoint calls FL scummy for trying to die Dunn to Titus, and then...proceeds to try to tie FL and Dunn together.

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I’m willing to believe dunn on his claim, did everyone forget how FL tried to set up a titus dunn scum team yesterday who are both town

This is such a crappy post, Lol.

All these close to naked votes on FL as he's about to show effort makes me think he's town unless I'm missing something and effort-FL is a scum thing. FL's wagon actually was pretty productive there's gotta be some scum material here. Dunn's vote is pretty scummy and I already have a scum-read on him so I have no qualm about joining his wagon.
Vote:Dunntral

Towns are unwnd, andres, johnny, fuzzy, Plus. scumies are dunn, maybe FL

These posts came 12 minutes apart.

This is town to me insano

Askin again: do you have any scumreads? because the stuff you posted off the top of your head was all toward the town side.

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I am sorry, I cannot feel my way into this game.
not helping that daughters are off from school and so need loads of supervision on their school work.
today feels like a drifty day, very few people trying to drive anything and we shall end up with a poor elimination. I do not excuse myself from this at all, but wanted to be honest on my position.

This is also garbage. We can kill this guy anytime.

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Johnny could be scum, but on a gut level from his posts I don't feel it, his response to getting accused mid D1 didn't look that scummy. I'll wagon someone just for the sake of a wagon though.

@ Plus
Yes I am a newbie..... been one for 7+ now. I am glad someone finally noticed, Now I can leave MS complete. By everyone take care

@Not Mafia
You mean I can't be like you last game where you did nothing and won. I am disappointed. I wanted to be like you but I guess I cant now

Do you have actual thoughts outside of snappy comebacks?

if you wagon for the sake of it, why would you join the wagon with only 1 vote and not the ones with 2 like uwnd or Noraa.

Voted my gut level suspicion. I don't really scumread nora's slot, but I guess I'd sheep andres there. If unwnd keeps imitating his avatar with his play I'll vote him. Also thought he came off a little sketchy in his argument ith andres.

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@ Insaflex
what is your opinion on the no lynch yesterday?

I don't have a strong take beyond it being bad. People weren't around and not eally trying, a few didn't know we needed a majority, don't think the blame can fall on anyone in particular and it doesn't say anything about their alignment anyway.

Caught up to where I replaced in.

Let's wagon someone and get a claim, we have 4 days. It can be me, if that's the way people want to go. I'm not going to try to wow people with some dense analysis because I don't have strong thoughts.

VOTE: unwnd

Know I said I'd wait but screw it, game needs action.

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What's this? 10 pages of Noraa and Flavor Leaf fighting? Hmm, just going to ignore all of it, don't mind me.

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Okay, I took a peek back anyway. Doubts about Flavor Leaf being town are gone.

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VOTE: noraa

Johnny wagon composition absolutely sucks.

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Could you please use the multi-quote function, rather than replying to every single post individually?

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The whole dynamic where nopoint came out confidently townreading Johnny based on single game meta and Johnny reciprocates looks potentially like a pocketing dynamic to me. Doesn't feel natural.

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I'm a Vigilante Enabler.

If anyone ever thinks I claim this scummy ass role as scum here, we're gonna have some words post game.

Maybe if people weren't posting 15 posts in a row it'd be easier to find that he claimed well before that.

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@FL: you're condescending af and I don't think attacking other people personally like this should be allowed in the thread

@Nora: just ignore him

Yeah Nora is doing pretty much what I'd expect scum in her position to do. There's no way she can really think Johnny is scum considering Johnny plays entirely differently in the last game we were in.

This is a weird line to say to someone you think is putting on an act?

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I'll just fullclaim here and now since everyone's pretty much outed: My role's 1-shot loyal bodyguard. Yes, a complete garbage role that is nearly identical to ABR's garbage fakeclaim in that other game. Loyal modifier on a BG only makes sense if a vig exists in a setup, so I believed the enabler claim.

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nopoint is claiming some kind of clear on johnny, not sure what it is. I don't think geraintm's a bad shot, maybe fuzzy. I guess I need to give andres a third look but I felt he was town on my first two reads.

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Johnny's role sort of suggests a lot of non-vanilla roles in the setup. Which makes sense with the enablers. Could be a scum investigative but I like the way he tested nopoint's claim.

I have a hard time seeing scum ever making 1378.

UNVOTE:

If people want to flip me, I get it and probably won't fight very hard because I don't have strong reads and my role doesn't do much.

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VOTE: unwnd

Meh.

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Watcher enabler sounds like what you claim when everyone else is claiming enabler and you're on the chopping block

I think the wagon moved from scum to scum with Noraa to No Point.

And Insaneo is backing them up, kinda.

I voted both of them today, Lol. Kind of don't think noraa is scum anymore though.

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I will say, I don't like they tried to vote Unwnd again.

It makes me feel like they came into this game trying to pocket me, because they sheeped my Unwnd, Noraa, and Nopoint reads this game.

they also did the "believe FL's role to be true" which made me think they were the vigilante.

Think what you want. My role really doesn't make sense without a vig because the loyal modifier keeps me from saving a kill on scum. I think we're in some kind of fucky setup with minimal VTs. But like I've said, not going to try to defend myself too hard if you decide you want to get rid of me today.

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Every time fuzzy posts I want to see it as pure, take him off the list of potential scum in my eyes.

Unwnd, I want your opinion/help making sense of this

For the rest, Unwnd is, at the very least, nai. I lean towny, and don't want them to be the elimination today

Not wanting to eliminate, I can understand, but leaning towny, someone whose opinion you want, why, exactly?

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Hot take: if nopoint is scum, andres is very plausibly a partner.

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maybe
andres is my strongest non-mechanical (as in roles/claims not being a thing) TRs personally.
But POE is tightening for me
I think andres, Noraa are dayplay wise town
I think either nopoint or johny is town and other maf
Notmafia and dunn gotta be town
FL is town

that leaves insano, gera, uwnd, or fuzzy as the 2 remaining scum slots in my book. I think uwnd is probably scum, he's been trying to slow things down as of late and talking himself up. I'll probably shoot him if nopoint flips red today.

if I had to guess a solve it'd be nopoint/uwnd/insano.

On play, andres looks town, yeah. But I went back and noticed he was making some pretty strained defenses of nopoint, and for all his posting looks town, he hasn't really driven the game in any direction, and I feel as though today he's started to coast quite a bit. Just a theory that's contingent partly on nopoint's flip. I know people don't trust me because of Hank's play, and I don't really have a problem getting flipped at some point, just want to give people something to consider after I flip.

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VOTE: nopoint

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VOTE: nopoint

why? also do u still think Johnny is town?

Don't really townread him in spite of the claim, still have vague gut feels on johnny being town from little stuff he's said, I don't know that being inactive and lurking is a scumtell for him, looking at his games.

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Oooh which games did you look at.

@noraa watchu wanna know

Can't say more, sorry.

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maybe
andres is my strongest non-mechanical (as in roles/claims not being a thing) TRs personally.
But POE is tightening for me
I think andres, Noraa are dayplay wise town
I think either nopoint or johny is town and other maf
Notmafia and dunn gotta be town
FL is town

that leaves insano, gera, uwnd, or fuzzy as the 2 remaining scum slots in my book. I think uwnd is probably scum, he's been trying to slow things down as of late and talking himself up. I'll probably shoot him if nopoint flips red today.

if I had to guess a solve it'd be nopoint/uwnd/insano.

On play, andres looks town, yeah. But I went back and noticed he was making some pretty strained defenses of nopoint, and for all his posting looks town, he hasn't really driven the game in any direction, and I feel as though today he's started to coast quite a bit. Just a theory that's contingent partly on nopoint's flip. I know people don't trust me because of Hank's play, and I don't really have a problem getting flipped at some point, just want to give people something to consider after I flip.

I know you think I'm scum for whatever reasons you have but I'd love to flip here and think I can convince you otherwise.

VOTE: Andres

I agree with your take, but I also don't get where you're defeatist and keep saying things like 'well just flip me', because while I don't have insight about your play as town, I think you know yourself well enough to where you were able to emulate good thoughts that always gave me pause in the Mini Normal. I think Andres' speaks from a perspective that is heady analysis but nothing ever surfaces from it. I noted where I would actively have conversation with Andres prior D1 (I think even today) and it seemed like we both walked away from the conversation pretty listless. I don't know what end he gets into these arguments like they matter for him, and the more he continues to do it, the more it seems like only an appeal.

Because I see it as unlikely that I convince people I'm town and have a read worth following, hell, I'm not that convinced myself.

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maybe
andres is my strongest non-mechanical (as in roles/claims not being a thing) TRs personally.
But POE is tightening for me
I think andres, Noraa are dayplay wise town
I think either nopoint or johny is town and other maf
Notmafia and dunn gotta be town
FL is town

that leaves insano, gera, uwnd, or fuzzy as the 2 remaining scum slots in my book. I think uwnd is probably scum, he's been trying to slow things down as of late and talking himself up. I'll probably shoot him if nopoint flips red today.

if I had to guess a solve it'd be nopoint/uwnd/insano.

On play, andres looks town, yeah. But I went back and noticed he was making some pretty strained defenses of nopoint, and for all his posting looks town, he hasn't really driven the game in any direction, and I feel as though today he's started to coast quite a bit. Just a theory that's contingent partly on nopoint's flip. I know people don't trust me because of Hank's play, and I don't really have a problem getting flipped at some point, just want to give people something to consider after I flip.

This is probably Scum btw. Insano has nonsensically been trying to tie me to nopoint, and is softly discrediting me.

Nonsensical, huh?

You could spend the time to find a better avatar

Sacrilege! don't mess with k-pop bro

If anyone is familiar with Johnny they should tell me if his behavior is indicative of anything

Right now his questions seem preemptive that gives me pause

I was scum partner with Johnny on our last game and I can say that his behavior is so far very different but not sure if that's AI considering he knows I'm in this game.

I didn’t see anybody ask you, so I’ll do it: what differences do you see between Johnny’s game when you played with them as Scum and this game?

I’m also inclined to think that nopointinactingup is likely Town based purely on the fact that nobody jumped to their defense really. Fuzzy piled on in 143 to defend Dunnstral, and most others ignored the interaction for the most part. Flavor Leaf decided it was more important to make things about himself, so I don’t know what to make of that yet. Will keep reading.

I believed it then but no one else sees it so idk, they can’t all be scum

Real Scum slips in my experience are rare. Like obvious mistakes that truly reveal that you’re Scum just don’t happen all that often. Scum tend to be careful. If anything, what appear to be mistakes made by Scum can be simply differences in style or communication. We just came out of a game where a Town player was thought of being Scum for referring to themselves in the third person (and being coached into a post).

I think the evidence for a slip needs to be overwhelming, or the slip really obvious. Otherwise, it’s just not that.

unwnd is town, at least that's what I'm willing to bet on for now since with the spontaneous way he is speaking he will get found out soon if he was scum.

Johnny is looking worse so I'm going to have to take back that alliance request. I find the way johnny plays as scum is lurking and opportunism and I got a sense of it in his recent posts.

shelly is looking like she's trying to solve, but the way that she's doing it seems odd and commentary-ish. also, shelly I would like you to explain your Andres read.

I like fuzzy and vibing with a lot of what he's saying

Why are so happy to defend unwnd here? It can’t be that speaking in a spontaneous way is all you have to hang your hat on.

@Andres, what do you think of my point against FL?

Look I’ll give you my download, and you tell me what you think.

Could Flavor’s self-vote “plan” have been disingenuous - an obvious attempt at making themselves look Scummy so that they can explain away their survival later in the game, without attracting too many votes? Yes, maybe. Flavor doesn’t seem that keen on giving out reads or establishing themselves in this game, so that’s not a positive sign. It’s also a marked departure from how they’ve played Scum the last few times we’ve faced each other though, and that in a way also makes sense (it would be easy for me or others to spot I think).

Where I’m struggling is when I try to make sense of it from a strategic perspective. Flavor seems fine under pressure as Scum, but he knows that he needs allies, or Town players that are in a position to make errors. The easiest way to get significant errors is by pocketing players, or at least have others actually think you’re Town. He doesn’t seem particularly focused on even projecting Towniness here, openly admitting to not trying hard, and inviting votes. Not the most viable Scum strategy long-term is it? The other side of it is that he’s buying time, but Flavor doesn’t like to sit on the sidelines for too long. If he continues to drag his feet for too long execute him. Otherwise, I think there’s better places to look for now.

^I would maybe disagree on nopoint though. I don’t see the slot as Scummy. I thought that acknowledgment that the slip maybe wasn’t that to be a Towny response.

^Also that logic that the person that shellyc was on is more likely to be Scum makes no sense. Nopoint was on a wagon that had a shot at going through. shellyc was sitting alone on a wagon that was not going to happen, which clearly robs the Town of information. Just because they were cross-voting and you TR Shelly doesn’t mean that nopoint is Scum. Why wouldn’t you instead trust Titus’ voice more, who you know was Town and suspected Shelly?

Why so pessimistic geraitnm? There’s still a lot left on this day and some legitimate avenues of inquiry are being pursued.

I don’t think nopoint is Scum. And I TR Johnny now. So I will continue to vote where I’m at. Sorry shelly. If I need to consolidate onto Flavor I might just do that, but again I continue to be skeptical there to some extent.

Soft interactions, continual defense of the player based on incredibly weak reasoning. I don't like throwing it all out preflip because if he's town it's worthless, but it's not like I'm saying this for no reason.

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Was who's getting vigged ever settled?

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...why fuzzy?

dunnstral, not_mafia, and plusjoyed are all conftown, feel reasonably good about FL and noraa as town. Need to reread day 1 a bit to check but feel very comfortable parking my vote here for reasons already stated:

VOTE: andresvmb

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I don't necessarily blame you for misreading him, Noraa, because he didn't do anything, you just have to learn that sometimes people not doing much doesn't make him scum. The way he outed was +town though.


...the mafia killed

johnny

?? The literal only reason I could see for that is that one of the claimed PRs is a fakeclaiming goon, or one of the unclaimed players is a mafia PR who doesn't want to claim a PR. Even if I thought he was unlikely scum with nopoint based on their interactions, killing him over a conftown role is

bizarre

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Shelly was scumreading nopoint but waffled a bit, and was trying to put connections between him and other people a lot...ehhhh. She liked to bus a lot, correct? I don't think their interactions are necessarily clearing.

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I'm liking this shelly wagon, her blatant shading/ignoring points against her is scummy.

Hm, maybe not, he was wlling to go after her on day 1 and kept at it with noraa, seems less likely he'd go for that kind of risky cross-bussing. I also have a very hard time seeing Noraa making that johnny kill. That's in addition generally reading noraa's posting as town. I wouldn't revisit the possibility of her being scum until we're out of options.

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For what it's worth, I should disclose that Johnny neighborized me before he died, their hood was basically inactive, they greeted each other but didn't say much otherwise, nopoint didn't put any reads there so there isn't anything to learn from it.

Do think the unwnd/nopoint interactions day 1 are less likely to be s/s.

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Ctrl+F andres in Nopoint's ISO and there's a disparaging amount of leeway in their interactions lol

That is what I was saying as of Day 2; When a potential wagon was starting to form on nopoint day 1 andres was attempting to defuse it: 250 258 262 546
And these on day 2: 692 760

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Start with your townreads then? If looking scum for scum doesn't suit you then inverse it, I actually do this a lot myself to create a PoE

inverse is hard too.
I think plus is town but that's 100% mech.
I don't even believe that strongly in Dunn town with his literal 5 posts or something.
NM is super underwhelming this game and so I'm just like ... uh.
Im not a big fan of flavor and I honestly feel like he could be scum gassing me up.
The problem is that I think everyone here that's not mechanically cleared could be scum and I fail to see anything that I even remotely am willing to clear for long periods of time because literally like ten seconds later they call me scum and I'm like "bitch wtf"

Dunn is a claimed cop with an innocent on not_mafia and titus as an enabler who died night 1. were you not aware of this?


Suddenly I'm concerned that you don't seem to know the claims when Johnny ended up getting shot over a claimed PR.

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Among my biggest suspects for this scenario are FL, Hank (before the replacement) and geraint due solely to their inactivity and that's why I'm pressuring people with votes to get some inputs on where they are.

There's basically nothing for nopoint/gera, but...rule of 3? Maybe? Wouldn't mind eliminating there, definitely needs to go at some point.

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Oh, wait, my bad, I didn't read the hood closely enough (despite there being hardly any posts) - nopoint said he thought the scum was shelly and flavor leaf with one of the inactive people. (also wanted to recruit plus to the hood, but that's irrelevant since plus is confirmed town)

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I'm not really interested in all this constant noise from Noraa and people arguing with her, just pollutes the game. andres changing his tune from being apologetic for being wrong to turning back to suspecting me when FL came in is pretty funny though, like he suddenly felt there was a chance to push back at me. The theory is pretty funny, for me and Noraa to bee scum together would mean the scum were doing nothing but bussing each other yesterday (and that from 1208 on, we bussed each other rather than voting ML-bait Johnny). But that's just a little feeling on my part and my view there is already biased. As it is, I still have a hard time seeing noraa as scum making a statement like how she was sure johnny was scum but wanted to keep him around to talk to him anyway. That just doesn't feel like a thought process a scum player is likely to fake. I'll try to do a reread today with an eye toward nopoint interactions.

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So Insano refuses to re-evaluate or consider any of my points? Noted.

I can be both apologetic for being wrong, and continue to push for what I think is the correct solve. I’m not “changing my tune”, I’m playing the game.

And I think it’s mighty interesting that you don’t even consider the possibility that the Scum were bussing. Particularly since (i) Dunn, the claimed Cop, and Fuzzy, Confirmed Town, were not voting, and (ii) the only players voting outside of nopoint were geraintm, me, and nopoint. Is your theory that the entire Scum Team was voting outside of nopoint? Well if either geraintm or I are flipped and we flip Town, your theory immediately goes out the window. Are you ready for that?

I would also point out that no second wagon gained any traction. That is bizarre for a game with a Scum determined on saving a member of their own Team. We did such a poor job of organizing against a nopoint execution that we couldn’t even agree on the Town that should be executed? Does that make sense?

I just feel like your tenor toward me between last night and now changed really dramatically. I'm not inclined to totally rule out the possibility that scum bussed, but my FIRST INSTINCT on any scum flip is not to look for bussers, and interaction-wise, that seemed less likely. The idea that no other wagon could gain traction is a weird one to me, given you can see we had 3-vote wagons on me, nora, and johnny at one point (and that's 2 wagons on town fmpov, minimum). The wagon on nopoint also happened relatively fast, and it's entirely possible you just weren't prepared for it. Yes, if one of you or gera flips town I obviously have to re-evaluate and I plan to look at everyone again today to cover my bases but I'm just saying where my preliminary suspicions lie.

...I GUESS I could see a world where mafia don't want to vote johnny because they know he's in a hood and think they can pocket him, but eh. Still hard to see nopoint and the shelly slot as scum together. I have no idea what her meta was as scum, though.

For what it's worth, I should disclose that Johnny neighborized me before he died, their hood was basically inactive, they greeted each other but didn't say much otherwise, nopoint didn't put any reads there so there isn't anything to learn from it.

Do think the unwnd/nopoint interactions day 1 are less likely to be s/s.

actually, can you quote what was said? Is that allowed?
I already think you're town but that would help others sort you.

I can't direct quote, per the rules. I can paraphrase but I've told you pretty much all there was to it anyway, they had less than a full page of posts in the thing.

(me being in the hood shouldn't really clear me, anyway, as people have said)

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I'm just going to continue to ignore the Noraa show and go back to rereading, thanks. If anyone has any questions for me, bold my username because I'm likely going to be skimming past the pages of pointless arguments she generates.

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Early game makes shelly/nopoint look not implausible, actually, although I've no idea who would fit as a 3rd teammate in that instance.

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Early game makes shelly/nopoint look not implausible, actually, although I've no idea who would fit as a 3rd teammate in that instance.

I would argue early game doesn't make any team look implausible.

Untrue. I think early game shows strong evidence for unwnd as town.

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I think early game shows strong evidence for unwnd as town.

ooo where? I very much like this theory!

Not now. I'm going to present my conclusions when I've gotten to the end of day 2, or at least up to my replace in. I want to get everything nicely compiled.

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That was a hammer? Really?

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I'll just post what I have written down now before lock, hopefully:

94 - nopoint votes Dunn
102 - unwnd defends Dunn from nopoint's vote

135 - nopoint expresses suspicion of unwnd for defending Dunnstral
140 - unwnd continues to disagree with him

149 - unwnd continues to express a scumread of nopoint and votes him

154 + 156 - unwnd continues to explain scumread of nopoint

I don't think the early push there looks like a bus, but keep in mind this is from reading literally 1/3rd of Day 1

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The one paranoid thought I had is that FL's claim seems like it has TOO much downside for town, based on what's been claimed in a setup that's otherwise fairly weak, the one issue is that he claimed before it was known there was a vig which would have to mean he already knew there was a vig somehow, and that seems less likely with a watcher flipped? I don't know. I didn't think nopoint pushing on him looked like a bus but like I said I need to reread Day 1

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@plus, do seriously take another look at unwnd.

Seriously vig this

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To be clear, the plan is I protect PlusJOYED and he vigs someone, right?

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I don't understand how no one instantly voted him when he'd claimed the flipped mafia role. That should have been automatic.

But other than that, GG, nice job PlusJOYED.

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I don't understand how no one instantly voted him when he'd claimed the flipped mafia role. That should have been automatic.

But other than that, GG, nice job PlusJOYED.

He retracted the claim prior to the flip though, to be totally fair.

Oh, I didn't notice because I literally stopped reading the game once Noraa started flooding it. That's on me I guess.

GG scum and thanks iv for hosting, nice set-up.

Excellent bodyguard shot insano

Thanks, although I was literally just doing what people told me to do. I realized the only important thing was keeping Plus alive for one more day. I guess scumteam anticipated I might use the shot night 2?