Micro 995: Secret Jesters

[Hazel Rofa]

Ego

[Hazel Rofa]

Fuck me, why couldn't I be a pokemon I mean jester

[Hazel Rofa]

Why would you vote me if you thought I was a jester? You must be scum! Do you even belong in this timeline?

VOTE: raymond

[Hazel Rofa]

Raymond+AJ

I WIN

they better lynch me if they want to win too!

[Hazel Rofa]

I must eliminate all threats to this time line, how tf do I do that with just one vote?!?!?

[Hazel Rofa]

Uhh the best one obv

[Hazel Rofa]

Nah we're all just low-class lame ass workers yo

[Hazel Rofa]

We're also all the baddies

[Hazel Rofa]

Dude what is wrong with you guys, only three of us exist and now mafia know about all of us

[Hazel Rofa]

It's to late, we need to do a reroll now

[Hazel Rofa]

Nah I'm keeping my vote.

You're obv VT and raymond is either scum or jester

[Hazel Rofa]

Maybe we should give other people time to check in

Or not idk

[Hazel Rofa]

That sounds like super big brained thinking though. Not sure such a post actually comes from scum here

[Hazel Rofa]

Part of me is wondering if Raymond is wisdom playing the same strat as the last game

[Hazel Rofa]

UNVOTE:

[Hazel Rofa]

He was a jester

[Hazel Rofa]

NM, were supposed to keep our mains under lock and key

[Hazel Rofa]

Part of me is wondering if Raymond is wisdom playing the same strat as the last game

I have no idea who you are, but I guarantee I'm nobody you will think of.

And my strats are complicated. And filled with motives. Complex motives.

[Insert snail picture]

Oh, who!

[Hazel Rofa]

I'm not sure which account I am, or who my scumbuddy is.

VOTE: The Swedes

Wai would you make it obv that u played the last game?

I have not claimed my main account in any way.

Ok koba

[Hazel Rofa]

It would be pretty funny to find out that it was NM after all vs an NM poser ngl

[Hazel Rofa]

Is that a serious read Raymond?

Only serious posts from now on, we need to seriously scumhunt this game

Now stop flooding this place, scum.

this is a scum

VOTE: Raymond Chestnut

I think you might actually be town here, so you and sissy are like, going to be my two rocks this game while figure out how tf to navigate this game and actually make it so that we win

[Hazel Rofa]

I'm.... Pretty sure that the jesters don't know who the other jesters are?

[Hazel Rofa]

The triplets is reading... Genuine? And their f they wanted to be lynched, I don't think that this is the way to go

[Hazel Rofa]

The swedes are triplets

[Hazel Rofa]

:T

At least we still have three jesters before scum win

[Hazel Rofa]

VOTE: Sissy

Unless I missed something town just loses right?

The three jesters get killed next and mafia reach parity. Town can try to get killed to screw the jesters but it seems like mafia win is assured unless people decide not to kill sissy here.

????

[Hazel Rofa]

VOTE: grace

I feel safer voting there, I think Lila could be jester pretending to be jester and I'm wary of voting there, but I guess I can see where raymond is coming from

[Hazel Rofa]

I mean...

I also think you and grace are likely the scum team here, handler town, cha cha jester, raymond.jester, swedes jester

[Hazel Rofa]

Like... Apparently, raymond and I are chainsawing but the idea that you and grace are as well is for some reason entirely out of the question?

The only read I have on grace is that grace is not a jester here so they must be town or mafia and I don't think they are town

[Hazel Rofa]

At the same time I feel like I could easily switch you and swedes around.
I don't like graces lack of engagement, I don't like graces telling of information but actual lack of hunting of any kind, and everything she is doing is entirely surface level.

I also feel like she feels the need to effort enough so that she doesn't get limmed here so she throws manipulative words that are designed to make people back down rather than want to fight her further which also supports her as not jester in this case

[Hazel Rofa]

I am down for that. Hell if you solve the game I might just elim you today even.

This is actually 100% VT because allowing jester Cha Cha win today means that handler!jester is that much less likely to achieve her own win con

lets negotiate

i help you guys elim a scum

you let me die tomorrow and win

deal?

That isn’t how it works. There’s two scum left remember? And why is your solve better than mine or anyone else’s?

And that's exactly why this is either mafia or jester herr

[Hazel Rofa]

I'm pretty dead set on my handler!VT read so grace can't be town here. You could be scum or jester. Why wouldn't I prefer my stronger read?

[Hazel Rofa]

If I'm saying handlers reaction to a jester willing to town side is "ok, we'll let you win tomorrow if we hab a mafia today" as a town reaction then it's obvious that I'm going to read the exact opposite reaction as a different alignment?

Lila!scum wouldn't like the idea of jester townsiding because it makes her wincon harder to achieve. If she can successfully get another mislim today why would she want to work with a jester?

Lila!jester doesn't like the idea of another jester townsiding because I'm a game with just two jesters instead of three, she would have to work that much harder to get limmed before the other jester. Lila!jester would be harboring some level of irritation towards chacha clearly claiming jester and Townsiding, and being the first jester to think of the idea before any other of the jesters could

[Hazel Rofa]

Ok so we elim in the group of three.

One of them should claim jester now.

The pool of (two scum and one jester) contains a VT.

What are you reading Lila and grace as. What do you think of Lila hard defending grace here.

If you're truly going to town side, you can't just a deal with one person who could be mafia here and assume that she's VT

[Hazel Rofa]

I would be willing to let Cha Cha and Raymond win here if both are willing to get Grace and Lila limmed

[Hazel Rofa]

Raymond and Handler

What do you both think of that proposal

[Hazel Rofa]

Let me break it down a little bit further. Jesters have no real incentive to try or look like they're trying. If anything they want to look like Mafia.
Town wants to either blend in with the Jesters and not try or try and sort people.
Mafia wants to look like Town, but they aren't so they struggle.

You can throw in layers of WIFOM if you want, and say really Jesters want to look like Mafia who want to look like Town, so jesters want to look like Town. At the end of the day, the above still holds though. The only reason a Jester would want to look like Town is so they get scumread.

Speaking of: Jesters now have to townside.

How is this ever a scum post?

This post is text book IIOA, why couldn't it be a scum post? It has no intent, she's not scum hunting all she's doing is literally stating information that any one of us could say.

[Hazel Rofa]

In a world where Raymond isn’t scum, we can all yell at him post game for probably losing it for us.

What's the point of this AtE if you're town here?

You have a town read between handler/grace so town!you knows for a fact that raymond can't be town here

[Hazel Rofa]

In a world where Raymond isn’t scum, we can all yell at him post game for probably losing it for us.

I'm town

and you haven't given me a single reason why Grace is readable as town in any universe whatsoever

If you're town then my read on handler is wrong, but I don't think it is. We seem to be on the same wavelength which is weird. It also means you are also likely uninformed so if you're jester just drop the act and help us win and I'll make sure you'll win too

[Hazel Rofa]

This is why they’re really voting Grace. Town would think the opposite.

It's totally a scum-claim to want to lynch scum over jester and not give jesters easy wins.

Okie dokie

[Hazel Rofa]

1v1 me, bro. How are you gonna call out my lack of engagement when you're reading Micro 995: Secret Jesters?

Lol I missed this

What does this even mean?

[Hazel Rofa]

I think Raymond is uninformed.
Assuming you're entirely wrong about your supposed solve, where's scum hiding?

[Hazel Rofa]

So in your opinion, is scum or jester more likely to lie about being vt?

I think scum is more likely to pretend that they are VT

The thing about Raymond, from my perspective, though is it looks like they are coming to the same conclusions that I am, seeing the game the same way I am and making pushes that I feel are making sense this game. It lines up almost too perfectly to be a pocket and it lines up to perfectly for it to be like scum pretending to be town if that makes sense.

There are points in where he is making pushes before I am

[Hazel Rofa]

I think Raymond is jester and I don't understand why he'd continue to lie about that.

I made a post towards you chacha. If you want to achieve you wincon, you're going to have to work harder

[Hazel Rofa]

Guys

Only two of (raymond, chacha, Lila) can win this game. If all jesters win town and scum both lose so

[Hazel Rofa]

I said earlier that swedes is likely not jester, for playing in a way that didn't seem like they wanted to be lynched.

Swedes *looks* like a jester there which I think scum would most likely do this game

[Hazel Rofa]

And I do think that Cha Cha is another jester simply because of how she claimed and how she decided to town side.

I said earlier that you were likely scum or jester because xha Cha townsiding made it that much less likely for you to achieve your win con.

That said, I think I would be most willing to give you and Raymond the win here

[Hazel Rofa]

It could also be dumb telling while intentionally voting the IC.

Normally I think scum would want to avoid the attention she would garner from that but if he was trying to look like a jester so that everyone else would be adverse to limming him via reverse psychology then it works perfectly for her strategy

[Hazel Rofa]

Also given your response about grace, I'm less sure about my read on handler. Mafia mind melding with another town (or in this case uninformed) is pretty difficult.

In my mind, if grace is the other VT, then handlers strategy here would be the exact opposite of her partner

[Hazel Rofa]

I am down for that. Hell if you solve the game I might just elim you today even.

I town read this because of the eagerness to work with a jester townsiding but like, if the handler is mafia trying to blend in with the VTs, this actually wouldn't be that hard a post to make

[Hazel Rofa]

Hot take: Lila doesn’t want to elim Grace. Jesters don’t give a fuck

Mmm...

I mean I said it earlier that Lila didn't want chacha getting her wincon before she did because that means she would need to work that much harder.

If Lila also believed grace to be jester here as well, with Cha Cha townsiding and grace ending up a limmed jester, Lila can't win without the other two factions losing. It becomes near impossible for her to win so why wouldn't she care?

[Hazel Rofa]

Swedes is Mafia chainsawing for Raymond.

Next Saturday should be worth keeping me around for

What is going to happen then?

Yeah, Grace is mindmelding with me too much to be mafia, so that’s why she’s extremely likely to be jester. But you are trying to look more like jester and Raymond is trying to look more town despite acting not town.

So in your opinion, is scum or jester more likely to lie about being vt?

I think scum is more likely to pretend that they are VT

The thing about Raymond, from my perspective, though is it looks like they are coming to the same conclusions that I am, seeing the game the same way I am and making pushes that I feel are making sense this game. It lines up almost too perfectly to be a pocket and it lines up to perfectly for it to be like scum pretending to be town if that makes sense.

There are points in where he is making pushes before I am

Problem for me is that’s exactly how I feel about Grace except unlikely Raymond she isn’t fakeclaiming vt.

VOTE: Raymond

My response on grace was in regards to Lila defending grace because of the mind melding.

It's the exact reason why I thought raymond is uninformed.

[Hazel Rofa]

Yeah I think Swedes doesn’t like me very much because they said I haven’t been helpful when I think I’ve efforted probably more than anyone, especially for someone who isn’t town.

If the scum team is swedes/handler or swedes/grace, I don't think they would like you very much for having the game for town nearly solved despite not being town

[Hazel Rofa]

Either way this is deserved and if town does end up going down, not everyone has to lose their wincon because of it

VOTE: Lila

[Hazel Rofa]

I don't like the Cha Cha reaction either, tho.

[Hazel Rofa]

I don't like the Cha Cha *Vote either, tho.

[Hazel Rofa]

Handler might actually be outright avoiding limming within the two claimed Jesters in the hopes of hitting town

[Hazel Rofa]

I think lim order should be

Lila, Raymond, swedes.

If the game is over, then Handler

[Hazel Rofa]

I think lim order should be

Lila, Raymond, swedes.

If the game *ISN'T over, then Handler

[Hazel Rofa]

Mmmm...

I believe Cha Cha to be jester and I believe Raymond and Lila's the most

I think Lila winning is the most deserved.

There is one scum in claimed Jester and one scum in claimed town, likely

[Hazel Rofa]

Both of those slots are in the claimed VTs. One of them have to be the legit VT, my bet is that it's grace

[Hazel Rofa]

VOTE: swedes
VOTE: handler

[Hazel Rofa]

Swedes, chacha, and raymond are all playing jester, I think if Cha Cha hard confirms jester, swedes is the scum in the jester and fading them would give us ease of mind for the remaining jesters tomorrow

[Hazel Rofa]

VOTE: Swedes



Parking here for right now

[Hazel Rofa]

So who between (swedes, chacha, raymond) is scum?

[Hazel Rofa]

It would be between swedes and xha Cha imo

[Hazel Rofa]

You think swedes is town pretending to be jester?

[Hazel Rofa]

Because imo that makes no sense at all

Pedit: Mmmm... That's... terrible

[Hazel Rofa]

I mean, if that's his actual motivation that's shitty and poor sportsmanship

[Hazel Rofa]

I'm definitely down with handler!scum but I'm not sure about grace!scum given Lila's avid defense of her yesterday

[Hazel Rofa]

I'm not so sure why you're thinking Swedes is town here.

A large amount of his posts amount to IIOA and he doesn't make much of a stance on anything. He claims jester, but the way he posts suggests that he doesn't want a whole lot of attention garnered towards his way. His posts and his claim doesn't match up

[Hazel Rofa]

Who is "the majority of the people"?

[Hazel Rofa]

I am more than sure that Raymond looses his chance to win with a grace elim today

[Hazel Rofa]

Also, swedes is trying to make a CW to handler at this moment. I don't understand how it could be so obvious

[Hazel Rofa]

In your eyes, I've already proven to have accurate reads and I do not think grace is the right lim.

Lila used the exact same logic with grace that I did with you. If it was proven true in your case why couldn't it be true in their case?

[Hazel Rofa]

He would also need to convince two more others today

Well, one more other and Cha Cha isn't going to be keen on letting a second jester win today. He needs Sissy's vote to win so he needs to play Sissy's game.

[Hazel Rofa]

Why do you town read handler swedes

[Hazel Rofa]

Oh

VOTE: handler

[Hazel Rofa]

Why do you town read grace and scum read me then

[Hazel Rofa]

Nothing in your iso suggests that you have me as a scum read and grace as a town read. Nothing in your iso suggests you believe the other jester claims.

Nothing in your iso shows any of your thought progresses and you're literally open wolfing just so you don't get elimiated and have a chance to win this game

[Hazel Rofa]

Yesterday we talked about killing in me and cha cha

Grace stated how you are giving a free win to a jester(lila) and then going to miselim a jester(me or cha cha), they are too informed

VOTE: Raymond

I don't remember saying I wanted to eliminate you, I think I only said Lila/Handler/Chacha

then again, I don't mind you doing this because I'm J E S T E R

you confuse me more and more with each post

so vote yourself

This is also absolutely not jester because if Raymond wins, then he never can.

IT IS PLAIN. IT IS SIMPLE

[Hazel Rofa]

He is not a jester because he is pushing for raymond *knowing* he will never get his chance to win

[Hazel Rofa]

So you absolutely think the charade between raymond and I is scum theatre okiedokes

[Hazel Rofa]

We walk lock step from D1, I push him as jester because he reads uninformed and at that point in time, I had another VT read.

I keep pushing him, and he keeps denying it, only to say "HEY HAZEL EAS RIGHT ALL ALONG LELELELELEL"????

[Hazel Rofa]

She can't, she's stalling

[Hazel Rofa]

I feel like all my posts speak for myself. I disagree with your swedes read, and I've already stated that the two quotes you posted was him trying to play jester. I've said all game that swedes is trying to play a jester game but his actions and reactions shows otherwise. His actions is inconsistent with his claims, and now that handler is off the hook she now has to leave?

[Hazel Rofa]

All she says is that she's obvtown as town and no one sees it. She is using AtE towards your slot because that's all she can do. She's focused on placating you than actually convincing you of anything

That is not a town-mindset

[Hazel Rofa]

I'm going crazy and blending in the reasons for swedes scum and handler scum together

[Hazel Rofa]

And I mean, the question stands I guess,

Why do you think there's two scum in the claimed town when there are three claims in each pool and exactly two of each role remaining,m

[Hazel Rofa]

Handler I dunno what to do here tho since you seem to think Grace is town

if you want to sell me on hazel scum then I'll hear you out but I'm not really interested in a swedes push rn

Also not pushing Swedes atm I think they are jester.

Is no one reading what I am saying?

That is exactly what happened

[Hazel Rofa]

now that handler is off the hook she now has to leave?

All she says is that she's obvtown as town and no one sees it. She is using AtE towards your slot because that's all she can do. She's focused on placating you than actually convincing you of anything

That is not a town-mindset

Did someone say case?

[Hazel Rofa]

I mean I do admit that I have much more on swedes than I do you Handler but it was because I did think she was town over grace. I thought about what Lila said about grace and I guess I can see where she is coming from now.

Yes, when the handler said they had to try hard now, it looked town but they aren't actually doing it. They are sticking to IIOA and AtE because they have nothing else to use other than that

They are doing nothing but begging and pleading to survive and they are not actually puting any effort in solving the game themselves. they are not concerned with the wincon for town or the wincon for jester because they are neither

[Hazel Rofa]

Town support is going to raymond (at least mine) and jesters need all of town to get elimiated tomorrow so yeah.

The other two jesters have already lost ngl

[Hazel Rofa]

Sissy got it!

[Hazel Rofa]

Still I made my cases on both my scum reads here and I kinda feel like I don't have any more to say

[Hazel Rofa]

If Cha Cha is scum and Swedes is Jester then like Cha Cha is making a big gambiting play since he can't be sure that he is eliminating the last town he needs to be able to get the perfect scum win here. When he initially decided to townside, he was making it clear that he was jester in this game and Raymonds play around pretending to be a scummy VT then sticking to jester claim and to hopefully town side so that he can hope to win isn't a scum play here either soooookk

[Hazel Rofa]

VOTE: Raymond

What now?

[Hazel Rofa]

Also I'm sorry Cha Cha, you did play a good game

[Hazel Rofa]

We all seem to be assuming there's 1 scum in the VT claims and one in the Jesters. What if its actually two scum in the Jester claims and a Jester claimed Town?

I think it's not likely, since I don't read either of the Town claims as Jesters.

Before I forget >> Grace is likely scum if Hazel isn’t. If Grace was town Grace would say “either of the OTHER town claims”. This post implies two town claims when there would be three. It’s not enough to make me question Hazel over Grace but it’s weird.

This would be the obvious shift if you did manage to elimiate me

But that reason is just so bogus.

You are also missing the fact that I explained why my read between you and grace flipped.

Ohwait.... You wouldn't want to put that in your case against me.

Carry on then

[Hazel Rofa]

When this flips Jester it gets obvious that at least half of my solve is correct.

It is also obvious that my read on Raymond was correct.

And it also proves that my logic here should not be dismissed.

I will also probably parade handler/Swedes but I'll try to not be too obnoxious about it

Pedit: Cha Cha is the last Jester sissy

[Hazel Rofa]

Raymond claimed Jester ages ago

[Hazel Rofa]

With Raymond gone, Swedes and Handler no longer have a buffer within the claimed Jesters.

Swedes should be elimiated next since Cha Cha is clearly jester and handler is still going to push me tomorrow and if he succeeds, he is going to need to convince you that grace is the mafia to achieve parity with town.

Pedit: I'm apologizing to Cha Cha because she made herself obviously jester by reaction and now that two of them are gone her chances of winning is probably zero now

[Hazel Rofa]

Handler is already preparing themselves to case up grace, because they need to

[Hazel Rofa]

After raymond flips, we should have one jester, two scum and three town remaining.

Game is still happening

[Hazel Rofa]

I should probably go to bed now but liiikkkeeee

I feel like town is that much closer to realizing that handler is full of shit

[Hazel Rofa]

Also town has a real chance of winning if we just like....

Idk, become reasonable and not racked with paranoia?

[Hazel Rofa]

Town hasn't lost yetttttt

[Hazel Rofa]

Also, handler also seems pretty obsessed with making sure everyone knows that "he's VT"

More two cents

[Hazel Rofa]

I'm going to bed now though

[Hazel Rofa]

VOTE: swedes

MY READS ARE MAGICALLY ACCURATE THIS IS SCUM

[Hazel Rofa]

I may have hammered but the wagon would have never happened if scum didn't push on Raymond in the first place.

Plz forgive me and punish the scumz

[Hazel Rofa]

Hazel+Swedes is possible, (Grace Swedes is more likely imho but Hazel Swedes gets more probability if Raymond is jester).

I keep reading this trying to make sense of it.


Hazel/swedes is possible but grace/swedes is more likely but nah it's swedes/Hazel.
Handler has no where to gooooo

[Hazel Rofa]

????

Ur trolling

[Hazel Rofa]

I didn't actually lynch the last Jester did I?

[Hazel Rofa]

If you're the last Jester then both you and Cha Cha player A+ psychology games mang

[Hazel Rofa]

I don't think I'm elimming grace over you

And btw, I only do phone posts

[Hazel Rofa]

I could smell victory and I was being generous

Probably too generous

[Hazel Rofa]

on the plus side, we flipped nothing but non-town as soon as I entered the game

on the town side, that loses the game in this setup!

Had a multiball game where that happened to me too

Shall we all out if/when jingle confirms game over?

I know I don't mind

[Hazel Rofa]

Maybe I shoulda trust my own read over Lila

[Hazel Rofa]

I can't read alts for shit

[Hazel Rofa]

Blanked.