it's townie or NAI depending on what made the player madIn post 1339, xRECKONERx wrote:can explain why AtE is townie
why did you not like the Deas wagon earlier?
it's townie or NAI depending on what made the player madIn post 1339, xRECKONERx wrote:can explain why AtE is townie
this is a good point but i'll have to see how likely RCE was to be launched without your hand in itIn post 1349, DeasVail wrote:I apologise if my thought process wasn’t clear at the time and I can understand why it would seem a bit strange, but I also think it’s a very strange arc to take as scum. PUSHING relentlessly on RCE as soon as he replaces in and then suddenly stopping after a claim that is only going to buy him a night max.
yeah, this is validIn post 1356, The Bulge wrote:that said
I've taken a closer look, Hectic, and some of your points imo don't hold water because of thisIn post 902, petapan wrote:UNVOTE:
ok 0 reason to ever vote out that role
smells of buying time but is 100% provable so he gets a chance to prove it
have thoughts on where i want to go but need time to compose themi think it would be weird and unnatural for dv to get into a full explanation of why to keep rce alive when peta is here doing exactly that. I see what you're saying is missing if you're looking at his iso, but with the context of the thread, I don't think the onus was on dv at the time to explain his unvote.
alright, so i understand you're saying you really thought RCE was scum which is why you didn't want to argue against eliminating him regardless. but if you have a personal preference to give the claim a day, that means you think it's a more optimal route for town, right? and if so, why not give your input more into why you'd want to do that or talk to me about it at all? I find it odd that in your next post all you have to say on it is "I'm actually don't care if RCE gets elimmed" or something along those lines. why not talk more about what you think is better for your wincon?In post 1349, DeasVail wrote:But the tricky part is that I REALLY thought RCE was scum. So am I going to try and stop him from being eliminated? No, because I was worried the whole time that I’d be stopping an elimination on scum and that’d be bad. (Before the claim I was almost as confident as I can get on RCE being scum)
yeah, so, what I meant was that genuine emotion is always NAI or town in my experience, expect for rare circumstances where something would only make you mad if you were scum. feeling frustrated by a push on you is easier when you're town and know that other person's wrong, but also possible as scum if you feel it's unfair/unwarranted, or are just annoyed anyway. Ydrasse's emotion read as genuine, but it's possible scum!her was outraged that she was being countered by the doomed scumslot last minute, which would leave scum in a worse position overall. I think it's harder to be as outraged as that as scum over town though, these posts I especially liked:In post 1354, xRECKONERx wrote:okay can you explain what AtE would look like in Ydrasse/Summer's case if they were scum being wagoned yesterday? vs if they were town? how come AtE and emotional play is townie or NAI, yet early on in this very game, you read me as scum for doing exactly that?
In post 986, Summer Nights wrote:like. does anyone here genuinely believe this claim is real? and if so why are you voting me, i want explanations other than like ~but what if he really is the n1 vig~
even if my wagon goes through i want people to justify their reasoning for me over rce right now
In post 987, Summer Nights wrote:^ this is the worst vote on my wagon in case anyone was wondering idc how towny people thing datisi isIn post 967, Datisi wrote:i feel like i'm gonna regret this. whoever is not yet voting, get onto a wagon.
VOTE: summer
if we do flip summer today, tomorrow i am not buying any story about a roleblocker or a rolestopper or a jailkeeper or whatever the fuck.
also it's 2:30am and i'm still not done and i just wanna sleep.
"oh this might be bad... might regret it uwu, not buying any stories about xyz" while already expressing doubts on rce
like if you already think like this just vote rce hello?
In post 992, Summer Nights wrote:like what the fuck hello
make up your mind, is tstbs real or not this game reck?
Like she's kinda lashing out lolIn post 1007, Summer Nights wrote:my blood pressure is lowering now but i will remember this.
It's in flux honestly. There's times where I get worrying pings, like where I get this sense she's struggling to genuinely speak her thoughts about something, like when she was trying to articulate her read on you, and so writes "filler" for lack of a better word to fill the post, but then I like the way she reacted to being counterwagoned to RCE, and her being the counterwagon isIn post 1366, Datisi wrote:@hectic what is your read on ydrasse
In post 1417, Ydrasse wrote:if i had to vote btwn these two wagons right now id probably? go on deas again but looking between them is like... hmmmm
@augustus: i miss u. tell me what u think of deas's recent posting when youre here bc idk what to make of creature vs deas. lowkey i feel like describing deas as flail-y this game is like... idk about that one
This is so contrasting to my current read on the gamestate that I'm wondering if this is scum-indicative. Can you expand on this?In post 1447, The Bulge wrote:hmmmmm reactions to my readslist/notespost make me nervous I'll be the nk target.
Don't forget this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1In post 1451, Aristophanes wrote:Reading should happen today.
Could you spew these while you're here for me now?In post 1450, Aristophanes wrote:I have a few thoughts from Jingle but that's mostly it.
aww is that a butter knife you're holding? how adorableIn post 1523, Ydrasse wrote:absolutely going mental on yuo, so many wounds, little swiss cheese man gets bullied for looking like a pincushion
why would I inject that into my blood? get your strange nonsense outta hereIn post 1528, Ydrasse wrote:its nt adorable when its in your BLOOD
You're in my PoE and I don't think many are townreading you, so I'd be surprised if you were the nightkillIn post 1462, The Bulge wrote:contrasting how?In post 1456, Augustus Caesar wrote:This is so contrasting to my current read on the gamestate that I'm wondering if this is scum-indicative. Can you expand on this?In post 1447, The Bulge wrote:hmmmmm reactions to my readslist/notespost make me nervous I'll be the nk target.
pedit dv can answer as well
goddamnit, prime read material missed thereIn post 1536, Ydrasse wrote:ari i do not know which of us here is missing the joke, but one of us certainly is
<3
I'm glad it's fine!In post 1549, Ydrasse wrote:i mean if you can handle knowing that i know now you hate me and want me to die and be dead i GUESS its fine ://
This is much more useful if you say these now rather than later, AriIn post 1509, Augustus Caesar wrote:Could you spew these while you're here for me now?In post 1450, Aristophanes wrote:I have a few thoughts from Jingle but that's mostly it.
In post 725, RCEnigma wrote:My slot hasn't posted prior to my rep in so I'm assuming you mean unreadable, but treating as scum.
In post 727, DeasVail wrote:No I think you’re scumIn post 725, RCEnigma wrote:My slot hasn't posted prior to my rep in so I'm assuming you mean unreadable, but treating as scum.
RCE replied too jokingly for my liking, whereas I think he would feel the need to act more annoyed or react harsher if talking to town.In post 729, RCEnigma wrote:Oh, well damn I can't beat that logic.
In post 718, RCEnigma wrote:I'll gauge the room, I'm 5-ish pages into my catch-up. Do any of you terribly mind catching up by response to significant (imo) posts or just most of my thoughts summarized in a block?
In post 721, RCEnigma wrote:Probably, through 7 pages my shortlist poe is datisi/Deasveil/Reck
In post 722, RCEnigma wrote:Actually looking through the last VC that doesn't hold up. I don't know the game state page 20+ but it's probable there are at most 2 scum on my slots wagon. That's mostly by virtue of not yet being hammered.
In post 723, RCEnigma wrote:Yeah I'll do summary over stream of consciousness, I'll have to give it some thought.
Deas states RCE is looking a lot like scum straight after RCE posts for the first time. No one else has reacted to RCE's initial posting and Deas is the first to do so. Scum!him has no way of knowing how people will react to it, unless he didn't have any part in helping RCE in the PT, and just let him post a fairly weak catchup. I think scum!Deas doesn't just put forth this RCE-catchup-bad narrative right from the getgo, but would at least allow others to react to it first. Like, this was RCE's first posts, it's close to a clean slate on a lurker-slot rep-in, Deas doesn't need to do this to his partner as scum.In post 724, DeasVail wrote:[Town]-- Aristophanes - Adorable, xRECKONERx, xofelf -- Datisi, Augustus Caesar -- The Bulge - Summer Nights, petapan - [Sirius9121] --- Creature --- RCEnigma --[Scum]
Reads update.
RCE I'm really sorry but you're looking very scum right now.
but isn't putting out fake-looking stuff
lol I just saw thisIn post 1042, Sirius9121 wrote:assuming scum has setup info, scumteam easily find a perfect scumclaim.
we should give rce a kill target and if the target isn't dead kill him anyway on d2
go unvotefools
This depends on the player and you shouldn't treat this as a blanket scum-indicative trait. Ydrasse has towngames where she does nothing but fluffs for 90% of them. Fluffing/shitposting is not a useful way to read her imoIn post 1620, xofelf wrote:Maybe it's not a good game for it, but at the same time, it's not a good game for town to do filler fluff. Like it's a net-negative no matter which way you slice it. I also talked with Ceph for a while about Ydrasse to try to figure out why he thought she was scum, and a lot of the posts I brought up came from that discussion. In the post of mine you're quoting, I said I was flip-flopping. Cuz there is a lot that has made me think she's not town. And there's some stuff that could be town because it does remind me of myself a little, just the whole of it all just sits bad with me. So much of her content is nothing, and she has a lot of posts. I'd expect more effort to actually do something of some kind from town. Like yeah I know I'm not great, but I'm trying and I give what I feel about what's going on and try to give posts to actually justify this.
Which of her posts give you that impression?In post 1622, DeasVail wrote:Like, that’s the whole point of most of her posts. How many of her posts are about finding scum/town and how many are to look a certain way?
505In post 1638, Datisi wrote:@hectic, after scrolling through your iso for 0.7 seconds, i think i saw you not wanting to vote ari? can you refresh / link me as to why?
Yeah, that doesn't really make sense and I don't know what Sirius is getting at.In post 1643, Adorable wrote:Hectic what do you think of this post 1559
I only gave a list of players I town read on day 1. I asked him what readlists is he talking about and he ignored me.
In post 1389, The Bulge wrote:disagree. there have been more posts from you that pinged me in some way than from any of my townreads. there are 3 main reasons why you are not a scumread. the way you pressured RCE is one of them, and would be the most impressive part of your play if you do flip red.In post 1387, DeasVail wrote: Bulge, the reason I asked you the question I did is because it kind of feels like you're holding yourself back from townreading me, with all these qualifiers of "DV is a very skilled player" etc. that stop something that would otherwise be town about me from being a reason to townread me. What is your basis for being particularly concerned about my ability as scum, compared to other people?(daytalk made all the scum on this site soft!).but a doomed slot is a doomed slot, and I think we both come from an era of mafia where there are no holds barred when it comes to bussing a partner replacing in like thatI also really liked the way you tried to squeeze content out of creature, but with him in my top scumreads I have to consider the possibility of his buddies coming in to bail him out of a content hole., but these are only words. So yea, there are things holding me back, but I don't know where you get the impression that I should have you higher on my list?finally, painting yourself into a corner saying you will likely end up townreading me upon review was a good look for you
How does Reck's post there appear like he's ridiculing it rather than opening up discussion about it? I don't understand how you came to the first conclusion before you realisedIn post 1440, The Bulge wrote:at first i thought you were ridiculing the idea, but I realized you were in fact entertaining itIn post 1423, xRECKONERx wrote:i have no idea what you are trying to say about me hereIn post 1392, The Bulge wrote:I noted this as trying to cast doubt on that possibility, but looking again it's actually clearly the opposite, and reck is trying to open this dialogue after briefly hopping onto the Summer counterwagon yesterday, and has been lazily floating it as an alternative to ari all day now.
In post 1665, Datisi wrote:WHY is it tanking??? WHY does it feel like every single game relevant thought you put into this thread was pulled out of your ass 3 seconds earlier without any cohesion whatsoever????
Datisi, would you make these posts as scum if you knew Ydrasse was town? And how bad would you feel about making them?In post 1670, Datisi wrote:fucking lol. so i'm scum because i'm voting you? except i was town earlier when i was expressing suspicion on you? ok ydrasse.
This post is incredibly towny. Reason being is that the anger behind this post is solely due to Datisi incorrectly scumreading Ydrasse. Ydrasse does not get mad about this if Datisi simply has a correct scumread. SheIn post 1669, Ydrasse wrote:because this is the second vote you’ve made on me now and the first one fucking sucked and here you are again back on board datisi that’s whyIn post 1665, Datisi wrote:WHY is it tanking??? WHY does it feel like every single game relevant thought you put into this thread was pulled out of your ass 3 seconds earlier without any cohesion whatsoever????
i’m literally playing on my fucking 15 min break and don’t exactly have time to go back and hard reread and i’ve been trying my best to get back into a game to be helpful
So the QUESTION is whether Ydrasse is faking her anger in the last page of posting, and it doesn't look fake to me.In post 1681, Augustus Caesar wrote:I mean, it obviously depends on the player a lot. Norwee is someone who this tell works on 100% of the time.
kuribo is a person this tell does not work on at all
Ydrasse is someone who has never reacted in this manner as scum. She'll act sad, but never ragey
do you in general agree/disagree with this point?In post 1680, Augustus Caesar wrote:It's a pretty common tell. Scum don't feel genuine rage when being pushed, and usually have to fake it, while town do all the time. It's the feeling of being "right" and knowing the accuser is wrong
Ydrasse hasn't faked it in any of her scumgames previously