Micro 1004: Burdened By Secrecy

[Klaus Hargreeves]

ego as this account

[Klaus Hargreeves]

RULES CLARIFICATION!

Town players will lose if the paragons identify all of the secret identities. The "You win if the paragons guess correctly" portion of the Town Role PM refers specifically to the guessing of the scumteam.

If you have any questions about the setup, feel free to clarify with me and I'll be more than happy to answer.

Thank you for this clarification. I was highly confused and was going to ask about it in thread why it didn't just make sense to claim our alts immediately to make the paragon guess easier, but I didn't realize the Paragons had two different guesses.

VOTE: Lila Pitts I recognize all these other fools here. It's my idiot family members, You however, are a stranger. I don't take kindly to strangers in family discussions my friend. Please see your way out.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

as it has been a number of years since my last eLo day-one style game and don't remember there being such an inherent stance of RVS being forbidden in eLo day-one as you are postulating, and I have always been a huge proponent of RVS in the RVS versus RQS debate, I find your level of vehemence towards RVS to seem on the surface to be an attempt to appear to scumhunt without actual scumhunting, which is something only scum do because town actually *need* to actually scumhunt to find scum.

Due to your performative scumhunting without substance I award you four demerits to be subtracted from 100 points, and award myself 100 points due to my town role PM, leaving you and be matched at scores.


As I said Lila, all my family members are idiots, you're better served not having to put up with them, so you might as well leave now. My brother Five here provides ample demonstration to the fact.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

ninja'd by a recall of the performative scumhunting so as to not actually alienate the town members.

Five, you're looking mighty suspicious, did the future goons tell you how to save the world or something again? *rolls eyes*

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Sup fuckers, guess who just found out he’s allowed to post here as WELL as in the paragon thread

Only paragon I’m ever getting

We’re pretty sure we have 2 of you btw

That's funny considering only 3 of us have posted, and one of those only a single post. Y'all seem pretty confident

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Klaus thou doth protest too much


I will award you an additional 8 demerits for trying to tamper with my official scoring system.

is that 8 points for tampering or 8 points for protesting too much?

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I wonder which of my games you matched my meta to that made me so obvious

[Klaus Hargreeves]

sup

Also going to ego on this account.

ah I see how you're so confident about the other one

[Klaus Hargreeves]

for everyone yet to show up, maybe, don't ego both accounts within 5 minutes of each other. bad idea.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Actually Allison is the one we’re unsure of lol although leaning pooky

Five said something very revealing already

Like in their first post

hey meta diving first posts is the same way I went about trying to discern who the other secret alts were.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

i have no idea who this character is, other than played by the legend that is Elliot page.

rvs is rvs, gotta gitcha vote on, right VOTE: five?

UNVOTE: five Some people just like to spoil all the fun.

The characters are all from Umbrella Academy. Also this sequence reads like coming in and throwing down an initial post with a bog standard RVS vote, then reading the thread, realizing someone had already performatively pointed out the scummieness of RVS votes, and immediately unvoting.

Unfortunately, that unvote to avoid being a RVS vote in eLo is even more performative than five was telling us not to do it. Hello Five's partner. I always knew you liked him better than me Vanya, even though we were both supposed to be your brothers.

VOTE: Klaus Hargreeves

hooooooo boy. Five is *really* the leader in this scum team you guys got here isn't he?

Mod: Do baddy mc bad guys have daytalk?

I wonder if this is a coordinated vote here. It's less performative to have your scum buddy vote me than it is to vote me yourself after page 1 isn't it Five?

Spoiler: Allison's huge ass meme typefont post

LOADING VOTE CHANGE MODULE
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INITIATING VOTE CHANGE
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UNVOTE:
(expired on 2021-04-08 12:50:15)

UNTIL KLAUS IS VOTED
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I'm curious about the 24 hour delayed intent to vote, it's kind of odd. Is it just playing into the AI gimmick you started in your OP?

[Klaus Hargreeves]

oh hey i mixed up lila and vanya there. didnt notice till i read the quoted names in my post. rip

that second bit after lila's vote isn't applicable

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Instead, I'll exchange it with a "OMGUS!"

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Vote Count 1.1

Lila Pitts (0): Klaus Hargreeves,
Klaus Hargreeves (0): Lila Pitts,
Vanya Hargreeves (0):
Five Hargreeves (0):
Allison Hargreeves (0):

Not Voting (5): Five Hargreeves, Vanya Hargreeves, Allison Hargreeves,

are these 0's accurate?

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I have siblings? crud.

Klaus you on the special stash? You're mixin names up but the quotes look accurate for the names you posted? come at me if you're comin at me. I will cause the apocalypse if I get bored
yeah I read up a little bit on vanya

I mixed up who was posting because my lovely sister Vanya's profile picture was similar-enough to that interloper's that on cursory glance without being smart I mixed them up. I'm sorry dear, I didn't mean to accuse you of voting for me. I know my favorite sister would never.

And no comment about if I have been imbuing the contents of my secret stash, you know that's only for me and my cult to know about!

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Vanya would you like to vote for Klaus?

oh god. First I accuse the lil guy of coaching my sister in private daytalk PTs, and so now he just does it openly in front of all of us! I'm definitely thinking we found our siblings who are betraying us

[Klaus Hargreeves]

If you think for one second I will let you slander our sweet precious five like this then I am going to banish you to detention!

This is a family conversation Lila! >:(

[Klaus Hargreeves]

intent to hammer

UNVOTE:

At the point we're at intent to hammer I guess RVS stage is over.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

and with how swing y'all are being with your vote I do not want to leave my vote somewhere scum can come in and quick hammer.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Klaus are you town? Sing me the song of your people.

No wait, shit that's the wrong meeting.



That's the right song for you <3

[Klaus Hargreeves]

in a game where 3 votes is hammer I strongly agree with declaring intent. One of the other two people may not have been ready to hammer, and this gives them the chance to come in and voice their agreeance with the hammer. For example, of I hadn't unvoted, and you came in and voiced intent to hammer lila, I would've have definitely unvoted, as I stated in my unvote the lila vote was an RVS vote to spark conversation, and I most definitely was not yet at a level I was comfortable being a part of her hammer

[Klaus Hargreeves]

In fact, I'll come straight out and say it for the paragon's benefit. Hammering without an intent and a few hours to allow that intent to be known is a straight up scum-claim.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

however, unvoting once an intent to hammer has been made without substantiating your unvote is also at least decently scummy, as it literally takes the entirety of the town to agree to a scum lynch, and an unsubstantiated unvote after an intent is a sign that the unvote could've been a soft-bus.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Klaus is a fuddy duddy.

Not quite sure what this means.
Could you clarify the meaning of fuddy duddy?
Is it just mean you can't read me?

[Klaus Hargreeves]

also, on second thought, I think I should've /in'd to paragon.
I'm reasonably certain on like 3 of your identities already.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I'm not flea. -.- quit trying to help the paragons win without us

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Vanya is townie because paragon loss isn't their main way of losing.

Maybe five is mafia in the end.

paragons guessing all 5 of our identities
lynching another townie


both of these lead to a loss, and a loss is a loss. Paragons are essentially a multi-ball setup from my PoV. Scum can win without me. Paragons can win without me.
Yes, if Paragons guess scum right but 5 identities wrong, then they can win with me but the likelihood of that statistically is much less relevant than them guessing both of the scum if I deduce 1 of the scum wrong.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

yes. If we don't lynch a scum, and they guess the 5 identities properly, the 3 paragons win, we lose, and the scum lose.

If we Don't lynch a scum, they guess the scum team, but not the identities, we win *with* the Paragons.

If we lynch a scum, and they don't guess anything right, we win alone.

@Mod, if we lynch a scum, and the paragons guess the 5 identities, who all wins?

[Klaus Hargreeves]

ohhhhhhh I get your question

@Mod: Who wins if the paragons guess both their guesses correctly?

[Klaus Hargreeves]

@Mod, if we lynch a scum, and the paragons guess the 5 identities, who all wins?

This proposed sequence of events cannot happen.

The guess of all alt identities must be submitted before the elimination to be valid, and if it is correct the game will end immediately, meaning no scum can be eliminated.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh

They have to alt guess us before the hammer?!

gf bed phone post motherfucker

[Klaus Hargreeves]

ih8mylife

[Klaus Hargreeves]

VOTE: Klaus

someone hammer before the fuckers can guess our identities

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I HAD THEM SO FOOLED TWO MOTHE_)(@U%T){WUGHBP()*EBGHU)%V @U!TJGP(& WUYOTJT%{)(JEWN{HP"(EWUJT{)*(@#WYPOHJGMN

[Klaus Hargreeves]

and THAT is why i don't ego on main when hydra'ing.

I literally hadnt planned to ego


but I ego'd to try to obfuscate my identity, as a ploy ()_*&@YHIOTUYGH){S*HBY_{(*!V%HGUQOT NG

[Klaus Hargreeves]

woh hey I get up from having been butt-ass naked at the computer after lunging from bed to fix my alt slip, go to the bathroom get dressed and make breakfast because *I JUST WOKE UP AND PHONEPOSTED AN ALT SLIP* and because I missed a 2 minute deadline I'm the devil?


whatever. whoever we're lynching it needs to be promptly, before the paragons get a better reads on our alt identities after my slip


I'm sorry for not sitting around in my 65 degree bedroom with my asscheecks on my pleather chair to wait for your directions allison

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Klaus vote for alison

VOTE: allison

sorry power flipepd in my bedroom momentarily. both me and roommate run beefy PCs and beefy portable ACs off the same breaker

[Klaus Hargreeves]

VOTE: Alison

I am sorry if I am wrong <3

oh hey ninja'd. gue4ss we got 4 votes

[Klaus Hargreeves]

IT IS FINE OKAPOKA. WE KNOW YOU ARE SCUM. YOU JUST OUTTED YOURSELF. THIS GAME IS A 50/50 NOW.

okay so lewt me just break this down


even if you were right (which you're not) and we had 1 conf!scum and lynched a townie, before that the paragons had exactly a 1 in 10 chance of correctly guessing the scum team with 5 players. If 1 scum gets confirmed that ups to a 25% chance of guessing the scum team.


where the f are you picking 50/50 from?

[Klaus Hargreeves]

yeah the only scum!five scenario where he doesn't hammer me is scum!five+scum!klaus?

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I'm town

I wouldn't feel bad about hammering you if I were scum.

I certainly wouldn't pass up the Klaus Hammer if I were scum

like all of this.

Allison is either town flailing or trying really hard to murky up the twilight for paragons. which makes no sense.

I honestly think allison is town flailing, as I honestly can not see any justification for scum to self vote in this quick-paced of an eLo environment.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

from my POV, five passing up hammering me and your self voting yourself puts scum ad vanya/lila.


vanya hasn't been here this whole interaction which has been where a lot of telling actions have occurred and lila flipped votes onto you with nearly no provocation or comment.

Five not hammering me as scum only makes sense if I too am scum, and like I said, from my PoV, he therefore can't be scum.

allison selfvoting through a successful hammer is 100% townie thing to do, to prevent paragon identity vote causing us to lose before we even get a hammer, literally the only reason I switched to you instead of accepting a lynch on myself is because five was here and expressed willingness to hammer.

I would have switched to vanya, if you had youknow, given me more than 2 minutes when I was literally *naked as a newborn baby* and trying to hurriedly compose myself

[Klaus Hargreeves]

FIVE + LILA YOLO ALL IN

quit scumreading five without scumreading me.

you're town v towning.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

If I was scum with Lila I would just hammer Klaus there's no point for me to pass that up

[Klaus Hargreeves]

If I was scum with Lila I would just hammer Klaus there's no point for me to pass that up

[Klaus Hargreeves]

it's lila and vanya. I scumread vanya+five through most of the first few days, and only five's refusal to hammer me cleared him in my mind. that doesn't make sense from scum!five.

meanwhile lila's vote switch during this craziness was very opportunistic, and lila+vanya makes a pretty convincing scumteam

[Klaus Hargreeves]

ARE YOU SUGGESTING THE TEAM IS VANYA + LILA?

from my POV, five passing up hammering me and your self voting yourself puts scum ad vanya/lila.

yes

[Klaus Hargreeves]

PERHAPS IT COULD. SORRY KLAUS BUT I SAW YOU POSTED RIGHT AFTER I POSTED AND VOTED VANYA SO IT FELT AS IF YOU HAD NO INTENTION OF EVER VOTING VANYA.

no i was literally just stream of consciousness spewing and you ninja'd me. until my next post like 20 minutes later I didn't read any of the thread after my alt slip

[Klaus Hargreeves]

do we just want to claim alts or nah

pedit: yeah i know i ninja'd you but my post should've shown up in ur pedits since this isn't in the marathon forum and seeing that you stopped responding /shrug

ninja'd typically from my experience refers to a post being made while you're reading the thread, before you hit the reply button, thereby being considered an existing-post when you open the reply window, not causing a "new posts" popup when you submit your post

[Klaus Hargreeves]

did not know that was a thing tbh

yeah, so like if the game is so fast-paced that posts are being made quicker than you can read your own posts, and you don't use the quick reply window but the full-blown reply window, if a post is made before you hit "Reply, it will not trigger the new-post popup warning, as it will display in the feed under the reply box, for those discerning enough to read that feed (read: lol nobody)

[Klaus Hargreeves]

so if I am reading thread right now, and you make a post *while I am reading*

then i hit the "Reply" button bottom-left corner of the game, AND NOT USE THE QUICK REPLY, your post will be considered old/existing when U submit my reply, as it already existed before i started typing my reply

[Klaus Hargreeves]

anyways im the ic now everyone give me a list of how you thought about approaching this game, tackling all the conditions, what you did to advance the town win condition etc.

I deliberately put a birthday that I (assumed) would display during the game, that was not my birthday, deliberately put pronouns not my own, which I planned to obsesively correct people on.

all in an attempt to obfuscate my identity. Those familiar with me are familiar that idgaf about pronouns and will answer to any situation where I am the clearly indicated party, even though I am trans-femme and go by female pronouns.


all of these were ways i came up with to deliberately misconstrue my alt identity and it was apparently, successfully working

[Klaus Hargreeves]

anyways im the ic now everyone give me a list of how you thought about approaching this game, tackling all the conditions, what you did to advance the town win condition etc.

I deliberately put a birthday that I (assumed) would display during the game, that was not my birthday, deliberately put pronouns not my own, which I planned to obsesively correct people on.

all in an attempt to obfuscate my identity. Those familiar with me are familiar that idgaf about pronouns and will answer to any situation where I am the clearly indicated party, even though I am trans-femme and go by female pronouns.


all of these were ways i came up with to deliberately misconstrue my alt identity and it was apparently, successfully working

I also deliberately ego-posted on my main against my better judgement, and against all previous examples of me using an alt on site, because I was deliberately trying to get my main-ego to implicate some other alt as me later the next day.


WHICH IS WHAT LED TO THIS

WHICH IS WHY I DONT MAIN EGO EVER

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Oh, I also reached out to both Kison and Zoraster about receiving the "Unofficial Site Contributor" skittle, which has no access or permission different than any other regular user, on my alt account, for the duration of the game so as to further lead astray my identity, as why would a secret alt get a skittle color unless their main was skittle, and while both found it immensely amusing and wanted to, they both could not in good conscience do so

[Klaus Hargreeves]

r u fuckin kiddin me

kek kek kek kek kek

does it comfort you that at least you had my identity wrong?

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Whadda ya mean Klaus?

you're upset we sniped your alt guess, but knowing you were alt guessing me wrong, does that give you comfort to know that if you had altguessed before we sniped you, you still wouldnt have won on alt guess

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Idk how cleared Klaus is I don't know maruchan that well but she might be clever enough to conflate the altgame and the alignment game a townish seeming schtick?

Fmpov pooky's TR of Klaus has to be illegitimate

nah I'm just lazy, I mean look at the activity overview. I really don't want to post-by-post analyze myself for everyone, especially when half my shit is "spur of the moment was stupid, dont know why I did this", re: my alt slip


but like, if the paragons want it, I will.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I have a hot take

give it to me

[Klaus Hargreeves]

You were maruchan, no?

yes

[Klaus Hargreeves]

There are two scum in the four Alison voters

i mean, not impossible. Risky, but not impossible.

also, as vanya was not in-thread for the entire debacle, i think her lack of presence on the hammer could as much be bad timing as an alignment tell.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

You were maruchan, no?

yes

Perhaps we weren’t so fooled

tbh I was supremely surprised every alt-guess you guys posted that you were nowhere near guessing I was me.

like my only consistent meta across all games I am in, is that I am the number 1 poster during the game phases where I am alive.


I thought my playstyle was like a giant MARUCHAN sign

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I think the paragons are gonna guess I'm scum and I think we lose cause I don't feel like I was v townie this game

lets face it, they'd be right!

hey look at this scum throwin her scum buddy under the bus

[Klaus Hargreeves]

You were maruchan, no?

yes

Perhaps we weren’t so fooled

tbh I was supremely surprised every alt-guess you guys posted that you were nowhere near guessing I was me.

like my only consistent meta across all games I am in, is that I am the number 1 poster during the game phases where I am alive.


I thought my playstyle was like a giant MARUCHAN sign

you were top poster any time I looked

exactly my point

[Klaus Hargreeves]

pooky u are telling me that you wouldn't take the opportunity to be a meme and lol flip the game?

it took so much of my self-restraint to not hammer there lolololol

kidna wished you had. town vs scum wise, we'd be in the same predicament we are now, but then I wouldn't have felt like shit for alt-sliping

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I think Vanya is Isis

I think Allison is Isis tbh. She approached this game with the most strategy and best thought out plan of any of us, and used her death to try to IC corral us into a way to scrap the win by finding scum for the paragons

[Klaus Hargreeves]

which by process of elimination would make vanya flea, which makes sense as vanya was the most stringent at calling me out as being flea, and focusing on small inconsistencies that flea would be most likely to pick up on like my pronouns and etc

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I think Pooky and Isis are the scumteam. That seems simplest?

There's not enough space to worry that it could be Klaus

five and vanya?

[Klaus Hargreeves]

don't think I've played with any of you before and vice versa, which I thought would be a great saving anti-meta strategy

[Klaus Hargreeves]

How come you've never played with Isis but you also think Alison is Isis

don't think I've played with any of you before and vice versa, which I thought would be a great saving anti-meta strategy

Wait why'd you have an Isis altguess then are you scum with her?

because I'm scum with her, Allison, the mod-confirmed townie.....


that's the correct answer here

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I think Vanya is Isis

I think Allison is Isis tbh. She approached this game with the most strategy and best thought out plan of any of us, and used her death to try to IC corral us into a way to scrap the win by finding scum for the paragons

not any of these reasons i clearly laid out for my reasoning behind altguessing allison as isis

[Klaus Hargreeves]

makes sense, okapoka did the same thing in starry night

just need to find the partner tbh

its lila and vanya.

they are both scumreading the other while throwing in a second townie as an effort to lend validity to their incorrect team-guess.


five is clear as glass, only scum!five move that makes sense to not lynch me *both the times the option was available to him* is scum!me, which from my PoV, clears him.

Allison is clear because flip.

i'm clear from my PoV

its lila and vanya

[Klaus Hargreeves]

im literally conftown oka how could u miss that >_<

lila isn't reading the game anymore, just WIFOMing up the twilight to try to keep her win.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I think Vanya is Isis

I think Allison is Isis tbh. She approached this game with the most strategy and best thought out plan of any of us, and used her death to try to IC corral us into a way to scrap the win by finding scum for the paragons

not any of these reasons i clearly laid out for my reasoning behind altguessing allison as isis

Why do you think Isis is strategic if you've never seen her play?

Just cause she's a listmod?

yeah actually, pretty much her modding experience and listmod experience, while having such a young join-date on site leads me to believe she knows her shit.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

btw klaus using the word lynch made it a little obvious you were maru because well the times are a changing and we use lim now

yeah.

I remember reading the announcment liek a year and a half ago, but I haven't played any games since then. the first time i slipped it i beat myself up both because i felt bad because of site-wide meta change reasons, and because it outted who I was quite clearly.

this is literally the first game I've played since the meta-shift, and I've been trying to use "hammer" every place I'd use lynch, because I didn't know what the site-meta alternative was.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

uhh im from 2008 but isis is my main now

oh.

IDK what your previous account/s is so i didn't know.

Like I said, im terribly out of date with site meta, this is my first game in nearly 3 years

[Klaus Hargreeves]

The best one is yeet

yup.

this is the new phrase

I'm yeeting people from now on.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

It's probably good for future reference to remind

I haven't taken this game mega seriously

I have had fun though lol

i think you took the game seriously. i haz suspicisons

HAI FLEA

I FIND IT AMUSING YOUR CONTINUAL ATTEMPTS TO CLAIM I WAS FLEA NOW KNOWING YOU WERE FLEA

I ALSO FOUDN IT AMMUSING AT THE TIME THAT TO MY APPEARANCE MY OBFUSCATION WAS WORKING, BUT NOW KNOWING YO UARE FLEA IT WASN'T WORKING YOU WERE JUST OBFUSCATING TOO.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

anyone who has scum!five in their quiver without scum!klaus doesn't understand this game.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I think it's five and vanya but I sus klaus too so my main read is that five rolled scum

WHY WOULD SCUM!FIVE NOT HAMMER TOWN!KLAUS
WHY WOULD SCUM!FIVE NOT HAMMER TOWN!KLAUS
WHY WOULD SCUM!FIVE NOT HAMMER TOWN!KLAUS
WHY WOULD SCUM!FIVE NOT HAMMER TOWN!KLAUS
WHY WOULD SCUM!FIVE NOT HAMMER TOWN!KLAUS
WHY WOULD SCUM!FIVE NOT HAMMER TOWN!KLAUS
WHY WOULD SCUM!FIVE NOT HAMMER TOWN!KLAUS
WHY WOULD SCUM!FIVE NOT HAMMER TOWN!KLAUS

[Klaus Hargreeves]

pause. basically everyone scumreads vanya?

yeah I think so

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Actually can I get solves from everyone real quick. It might help to see where the reads are at because if everyone just has vanya as a top scumread then it might just be fine to lock vanya as scum.

Five!town X1000%
Self!town from self PoV
Lila/Vanya!scum PoE

[Klaus Hargreeves]

What on earth did you all do

got scared of you. Welcome to being considered a multiball 3rd faction in town PoV

[Klaus Hargreeves]

i can't wait to read the paragon thread post-game. I've never played a game like this and I'm curious how their discussions went

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Fear

Can you put this in queue for a rerun since it was short, when we finish

Jingle/anyone is free to run this game again!

if I allowed to be in queue in multiple signup threads at once?

[Klaus Hargreeves]

you all played us pretty well

REALLY?!?

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Fear

Can you put this in queue for a rerun since it was short, when we finish

Jingle/anyone is free to run this game again!

if I allowed to be in queue in multiple signup threads at once?

hmm?

so like, if I meet all modding requirements to run multiple games simultaneously, am I allowed to be in the waiting list in the micro and the mini theme queues simultaneously? I vaguely remember reading a rule about not being queue'd to mod in multiple queues

[Klaus Hargreeves]

you all played us pretty well

REALLY?!?

The EV for us winning via alt guesses was <1% lol, you were all a lot more scared than you should've been

i mean EV on purely numerical data yes.

but like

people have tells and metas and playstyles that skew that number.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

It's probably good for future reference to remind

I haven't taken this game mega seriously

I have had fun though lol

i think you took the game seriously. i haz suspicisons

HAI FLEA

I FIND IT AMUSING YOUR CONTINUAL ATTEMPTS TO CLAIM I WAS FLEA NOW KNOWING YOU WERE FLEA

I ALSO FOUDN IT AMMUSING AT THE TIME THAT TO MY APPEARANCE MY OBFUSCATION WAS WORKING, BUT NOW KNOWING YO UARE FLEA IT WASN'T WORKING YOU WERE JUST OBFUSCATING TOO.

IF YOURE FLEA AND IM FLEA DOES THAT MEAN WERE ALL FLEA? ALSO YOU CHEATED. I USED SMALLCAPS YOU CHANGED SIZE

DID I CHEAT BY USING SIZE AND ALL CAPS OR DID YOU CHEAT BY USIJNG SMALLCAPS. THAT IS THE QUESTION

[Klaus Hargreeves]

i can't wait to read the paragon thread post-game. I've never played a game like this and I'm curious how their discussions went

There are currently like, 50 posts total

U guys didn’t really give us enough content to get going properly before the hammer...

i mean 50 posts is a pretty significant number for an observation-thread on a game this short

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Vanya are you just claiming scum?

vanya and lila are both obfuscating the twilight to try to screw the paragons up

[Klaus Hargreeves]

VANYA HAD DRAGONS AND DUNGEONS TO PLAY

MY FEY WANDERER HAD DARGONS TO PEW PEW!

realtalk, how do we start a mafiascum D&D game.

I'm 100% down to DM.

I want this to happen.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I'm trying to help solve

What can I do to help better Klaus

not be scum

[Klaus Hargreeves]

if I was scum with Vanya I just hammer Klaus and it looks to the Paragons like Me/Alison are scum taking advantage of Klaus. I have no need to play some elaborate theater to get a different elimination

100000000% this.

This enitrely.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

You guys are so brutal I just reread my role pm lol

you didnt know you were fleas scumbuddy?

oh god

how many levels of but wifom do we have to dig through to get to the correct layer of if this does or does not make lila flea's scum buddy

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Maruchan you played well

Unless you're town?

Man this game got away from me

what? How does my gameplay count as playing well from any alignment?

[Klaus Hargreeves]

go clear yourself, i believe in u okapoka

unless ur scum in which case keep trying to keep this entertaining

it is at least entertaining, this whole gambit her and vanya got going on. I'll give them that.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

When I gave the option to go for vanya, klaus didn't take it. Now of course maru claim that they dipped and did other things and got ninja'd but this is a game about lying. And vanya is trolling this and openscumming so either flea gave up as scum in which case its you or flea is okay with getting shadowrealmed.

oml wow. vanya is literally scum-pushing me by scrumming up the twilight. I didn't even realize that.

ANd like, the only world where I alt-slip like that is the world where it's on my phone. You can go meta dive me. I think the only alt I've played on site was in like 2015ish. with Klazam33 and it was named like noodlegoomba or something. I am vehemently against alt-slipping, and use separate browsers and windows and etc and don't ego on main *just* to prevent alt slipping.

I've mentioned my absolute abhorrence to altslipping on hydras vehemently multiple times, and this is why. When people ego main, no matter how careful they are on their PC, smartphones raise the likelihood of alt-slipping. So phone-posting is truly the only world where I would alt slip.

Add in to that that I have mentioned on site previously that I sleep naked I'm pretty sure, and it explains why I went radio-silent after claiming the slip as per rules. I franticly went to my PC to claim the altslip as per jingle rules, but like, hey, hanging out at your PC in a 65 degree room (literally have my own portable AC to ensure fine control over temperature) + butass naked is like, not fun?

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I feel like Maru would be watching this thread very closely after selfvoting as any alignment

Are we talking about a different time period though

I'm kinda lost this game

I would. I very vehemently would. But like, butt-ass naked. again.

my disappearing from thread after self vote is not alignment indicative. as you said, i'd watch closely regardless my alignment. Its indicative that I was cold, had to pee first thing in the wake-up hours, and was hungry as a bitch

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I don't think there is any world where flea plays this twilight so obv-scumming unless fae are scum.

As town it would go so counter-wincon of them to obfuscate the scum-team for paragons at this point.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Am I supposed to believe the omega altslip caution schtick that's like your fourth one

i mean after the game is over alt slipping doesn't matter anymore? and all the altslips are phone!posting. the second time was poop!posting, the third one was pee!posting, and that one was second-meal-of-the-day!posting

[Klaus Hargreeves]

ah my bad I mixed up pee!posting and poop!Posting, just looked at my main ISO timestamps. the 3PM EST one was a single post pee!posting and the 4 5PM EST ones was poop!posting

[Klaus Hargreeves]

examples of how stringently I adhere to not posting in a game from my main when on an alt, here is a game I played in as an alt, where I never even posted from my main, during/pre/post game, anything. My name does not exist in ISO list

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=18964

[Klaus Hargreeves]

and a second!

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=19454

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I never *ONCE* posted in those games from my main specifically to avoid having them on my ego page, specifically because of how vehemently I am against alt-slipping.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

WAIT I WENT TO A CHRISTOPHER PAOLINI BOOK SIGNING IN 2011 AND I DON"T REMEMBER IT?!?!?!?!?

curse my shitty memory problems.

curse them to hell.

DOES THAT MEAN I HAVE A SIGNED INHERITENCE BOOK BACK HOME WITH MY DAD?!?!?!?


/me rereading those games I haven't re-read in years because they weren't in my ego.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

And it's probably Five

Pooky is able to nothammer

What did you mean by he's able to nothammer?

Allison and Klaus: happy with Vanya/Lila?

FMPOV vanya/lila is the only team that makes sense yeah.

sorry for late reply been asleep for like 14 hrs

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Oh wait, he confirmed it as well. We'll find out shortly then!

did we win with you guys?!?!?!?

did we get lily and vanya?!?!?!?!?

gdi that was a fail. havent slept in like 26 hours waitin on this game to end

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Depends on whether you and Five are trolling us here!

you caught us, it was me and five.

gg



kidding, just kidding <3

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Depends on whether you and Five are trolling us here!

you caught us, it was me and five.

gg



kidding, just kidding <3

Klaus was actually Vanya all along? What other secrets are you hiding from us...

that I'm not actually Maruchan, all of that was a mod-approved shenangans planned in the maf thread with my maf budy Maruchan. I'm actually Isis.

CMON AND THEN I MAKE THAT POST FROM THE WRONG ACCOUNT TOOO

i need sleep

[Klaus Hargreeves]

For postgame funsies:

SO, full disclosure, the AltSlip was 100% purely unintentional.
The self-vote following was with the knowledge that a mafia lynch results in my loss in every possible ending. So if my selfvote succeeded, it would lead to a loss.
I Made a split second decision that the ploy was worth the towny points, and there was not ever going to be such a clear cut opening to gain towny points.

I *did* see Allison's vote on my partner and prompt to switch my vote, and ignored it, pretending I had already gotten up to get ready for the day.

After she returned her vote to me I *DID* get up and spend the next 30 minutes getting ready for the day, knowing I was leaving my computer unattended with a selfvote on me, so I did not *LIE* about my actions, just about the timeline.

I agree with whoever said it didn't make sense as Scum!Maru or Town!Maru to leave the game unattended with a selfvote. But sitting on a cold computer chair butt-ass naked is uncomfortable, and I couldn't think of a better excuse for why I didn't switch my vote to my partner. To make the timing more consistent, as I suck at lying, I felt I had to *actually* leave the computer unattended and do the actions I claimed to be doing, to make the situation believable. So I ignored the crazy situation of the game, got up, got dressed, went to the bathroom, and prepared breakfast. At this point I was just praying to the luck gods that I didn't get myself lynched. I hoped (successfully) that my actions were enough towny vibe to push the lynch off of me onto nearly anyone else. And hey, they were, they were towny enough for a towny to convince another towny to self-vote themselves for a yeeting, even though she scumread me. So success?


Was any of my gameplay prior to the self vote good play? Lol no. I also was doing a horrible job hiding my identity.

Was my self-vote ploy the best thing ever and basically completely yoink this game off the rails? 100% would do again.


the reason the self-vote was 3 posts after the claiming of the alt slip was because it took me those 2-3 minutes to calculate the ploy, and commit.


And only the fact that that sequence of stream of consciousness was purely null!alignment and would just as likely come from town as scum saved anyone from stating as much.

[Klaus Hargreeves]

48 hours for PT retraction requests. Mod pt is public and linked from the op, although alt login information was blanked.

lets go lets go

i wanna read paragon

[Klaus Hargreeves]

And no experience really of maruchan or what their posting looks like

players who havent played a game in 3+ years gain an advantage >:)

[Klaus Hargreeves]

It's a WIFOM game tbh

hahahahahaha

BTW, WIFOM is like my biggest tell. It's the tool I am best at. WIFOMy WIFOM full of WIFOM

[Klaus Hargreeves]

Also I want to say how much I absolutely *adore* the paragons for sticking so well to pronoun usage.

literally tearing up at how awesome y'all are. <3

[Klaus Hargreeves]

I mean... there are answers to your althunting. Theoretically, town could just turbo eliminate and rely on the scumteam guess because you can't submit an alt guess after the hammer.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA