DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

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nah it can't be

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truly you are a knight in shining armor

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vote: Robert M Hunter

Yay more naked votes!

Tell me am I supposed to summon an eidolon to figure out how you got to that conclusion?

This is also technically a chainsaw too as no recent mention of Robert if Robert has a vote down anywhere.

Can we please use like reasoning and communication?

Holy shit you're so annoying and it's not even me you're talking to shut up

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Spoiler:

Secondly no one was saying they should die in that way. I was saying I was policying them out of the game. Killing them IN THE GAME.

Oh, I misunderstood that. There were

multiple

people who instead of doing constructive criticism did just... harsh criticism.
I said what I wanted to say to the topic. If you want to forget it, I am fine with it. If you want to dig deeper in it, I am fine with it, but I will dig too.

I really want to know what compelled you to use ableist language when no one else used that language. Like where do you think any player in this game said things like that.

I am not native in English, in my language retarded is a sever offence of one's intellect, and I assumed that it has the same meaning in English. No one said it, but I found that it describes the tone how people talked to Mognet well.

Yeah you can't say that at all in English.

Also, you have ti understand the difference between saying someone is havibg bad ideas and being wrong and being overconfident about their wrong ideas

And suggesting someone has a disability.

Huge huge difference. Like. It is one thing to argue someone is being wrong or not okay in a game. It's quite another to interpret that or imply someone... Honestly there is a lot to unpack in that reading.

Like first of all associating it with a disability

Second kf all associating disability to lack of intelligence....

Like it is just... A lot.

I think our wavelength absolutely miss here.
Retarded people are people with very low intellect, they can't write, they simply don't have enough intelligence to learn that. It is literally impossible that anyone here is retarded.
If in my country we call someone retarded, we don't mean that he is retarded, but:
1) show that he though

very

little before doing certain actions (hyperbole; Metonymy: low intellect -> people who do actions which seems very illogical)
2) to simply offend him (onomatopoeia: "r" is a sound which helps relieve stress, retarded has two Rs; Synecdoche: you offend person by offending part of given person)

Shut up
Actually just shut the fuck up
Stop trying to justify it it's not okay.

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How hard is it to take a fucking hint someone tells you not to do something just don't fucking do it hello????????

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VOTE: Koto

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This reminds me, I need a rabies shot renewal.

Peak fucking humanity right here boyz

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So let me get this straight
Guy does nothing defcons 5-3
comes in defcon 2
does nothing
gets a vote from LLD
instead of trying to be readable in any way shape or form guy goes "Let's just roll over and die" instead of you know, actually trying to play the game, you know, like a normal person?

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tbh I think I need the pressure that comes from having a nuke on me to get into this game, I've been trying to follow along but so far it seems to be very foggy, I do think it's mostly just villager posting?

tbh i don't actually think Robert is scum? I don't see why scum would do this. I also don't see why town would do this either and i like joqiza's stance on it but not sure how to feel about him trying to spin it as shade. If anything I was just complaining about it.

actually you know what let's just do this

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Cephrir - town
Lady Lambdadelta - My only observation is she doesn't seem like she's playing a show geared towards me but reading this player is not my job in the hydra.
innocentvillager Mognet Prism - Prism seemed townie, Mognet annoyed me and tbh I can't view this slot objectively. Haven't read a single IV post.
Save the Dragons - he seemed like he was piggybacking off of what I was saying about Mognet. I don't think he added anything new to that.
Vaxkiller - I have no idea how to read this player. I read it as scum but apparently gorilla thinks they're not aligned with mastina and I want to sheep that.
Et Al (Skitter30/Something_Smart) - Actually I have no idea what skitter is thinking right now. Maybe that just says so much about how I'm just so out of tune with whats going on?
Toogeloo - seems town?
Bell - probably town but I haven't been reading closely
gorilla - town I don't need to explain this the guy has been trying to solve.
Robert M Hunter - 2532
Koto Merlot Untrod Tripod - Merlot seemed town, my vote was probably just because I was annoyed here but I also don't think they've did much of anything at all actually.
The Entity (Equinox/xRECKONERx) - I think I'll just naturally townread anything Equinox posts because it looks like they're trying to solve so I'll also just naturally overlook whatever Reck is doing. Ya I think this is town I have no idea what fucking Kool-Aid Mena is on w/ this one. Actually I really need Mena back tbh the guy went MIA on me
DeasVail -

@DeasVail

why do you townread us? It's weird because I feel like you confidently TR us while several people are suspecting us and I'm not sure what to think of this so if you could bring light to this that would be cool.
Nexus - Probably a villager?
VFP deep-city-lights - Don't remember apparently he exists? Ya this is probably POE scum
T3 - Probably poe scum? I don't know
Titus - Guys Titus is town. She always she's LLD the way she does as a villager guys she's town. Guys.
DeathNote* - Who?
samantha97 - Ya if Mognet is town this is probably scum huh. It mostly just makes sense because while it is reasonable for sam to say "guys LLD bussed" the way I feel like it was played could come from scum who tried to do something and just, gave up? I mean there's 1 scum in {Sam, Mognet} that's just facts.
joqiza - 2532
marry - I like marry marry is fun tbh I didn't get why people were voting marry i feel like most of it is probably coming from scum who saw LLD's interactions with marry and thought "Easy pickins boys" based on this logic LLD is probably town too if this is correct? But ya that's my theory atm. Idunno who is actually pushing marry, I think it was VFP. Ya actually fuck VFP he's probably just scum?

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It's what I'm thinking about at the moment?
Are you trying to gaslight me cause its apprently working cuz i also submitted "I don't think I'm sober" when I am trying to say that I'm sober

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cuz i almost*

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I'm trying?

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o well you pushed LLD and mognet pushed you for pushing LLD.
Probably has 1 scum max. Maybe it could be theatre but I don't think it is?

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if lld is town ur more likely to be scum
if lld is scum mognet is likely to be scum

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No he's not.

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I don't think Mena has posted this phase. Some of our late defcon 3 posts were from mena that was the moment he was around

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Skitter not being able to keep up that's impressive usually she's more up to date about these kind of things when I am

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The Entity (Equinox/xRECKONERx) - I think I'll just naturally townread anything Equinox posts because it looks like they're trying to solve so I'll also just naturally overlook whatever Reck is doing. Ya I think this is town I have no idea what fucking Kool-Aid Mena is on w/ this one. Actually I really need Mena back tbh the guy went MIA on me

Can you elaborate on this? Which posts do you feel are solve-y?

I like the bigger posts

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Ok I trust you bell VOTE: vfp

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Guys I think we should be trusting bell
I don’t think there’s anyone here that actually thinks VFP is town over a bunch of other players, so I think there is a really good chance of this flipping scum. Also, Bell seems really confident in this and if he’s basically pleading people to go through with it then I think we should trust him.

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I really don't think there is anyone's scumread that is more important then Bell's at the moment. I really really really think we need to be sheeping Bell here. If Pooky were alive I think he would do the same thing.

Titus, toogeloo, and maybe Skitter hydra if they read the game should be voting VFP right now if they took anything away from watching a fellow Pichu play. These players probably know what I'm refer to, and to them, this is just a hunch, but if I'm right I have to play this in this particular way

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Pooky would be telling those players in particular to be voting VFP right now I think. Bell comes across as a bit inspired but doesn't actually know how to go about the task the way Pichu did so I think he needs a hand.

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hm it seems like joqiza and titus at least are pretty against this elimination?

even if they weren't, i don't think no one thinking VFP is town here is scum!indicative especially when they are easily picking up votes

idk ur other reason seems fine but this one feels forced and that's not necessarily scum!inidcative for u im just saying i don't necessarily agree with this reason

I do disagree with this. While I could be wrong, I strongly feel VFP is town. The fact they are getting votes indicates a hive mind.

Second, if VFP were scum, I'd expect Nexus or Robert to go through unless all three were scum.

they’re not getting votes from a hive mind. They’re getting votes because they’re the elim today and nothing else is going to change it. If ur not voting VFP after my pleading ur just scum because town!titus actually just always joins this wagon and catches onto what I’m trying to communicate.

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[MCMAW SYSTEM] Attention Taskforce members, this is Command. Soldier deep-city-lights has picked up their intelligence but has not communicated on the network with us yet. We are giving soldier deep-city-lights 24 hours to message or we will draft a new cadet. Carry on soldiers.

So this is scum, right?

one of the reasons i scumread mastina was because this looks like scum attempting an easy shot, not bussing a partner. i think vfp is town, or at least not scum.

VFP isn’t scum because of mastina they’re scum because of bell and they’re always the elim today.

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TItus I have never seen Bell plead the way he has in anything. There is a reason for it. Vote VFP

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assuming bell is town why do you trust his read that much? i kind of trust it but it's definitely not to the degree you do

pedit: oh is that why, just because he's never done it before so there's probably a good reason?

Can’t say what I think is going on but it’s good play if it’s right and you’ll be happy at the end of it if I’m right.

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Ugh. I don't think what you're communicating is what Bell is saying though. Maybe it's me being stubborn.

Were my posts on 103 not good enough? We were involved in the game u were there u saw Pichu do it.

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VFP is alway the elim today. He is never not the elim if I’m right on what’s going on.

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And I have never seen bell plead the way he has on 103 so I think this absolutely is what I think is going on. I think there’s a reason for it and there’s more going on and it’s either ur not picking up on it or ur scum because town!titus would pick up on this. I’m also being pretty on the nose about it which also might not help Bell but this is the only way I can think of to actually help him.

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Ugh. I don't think what you're communicating is what Bell is saying though. Maybe it's me being stubborn.

Were my posts on 103 not good enough? We were involved in the game u were there u saw Pichu do it.

*is confused*

I don't really do meta but I'll listen. I have no idea what you're talking about though. Can you relink/quote?

I don’t think I should be any more on the nose than I already have but if u really need the help this D2 is similar to a game u ran. I can’t give u any more hints I’m sorry.

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What I’ve said should be enough for u Titus. I don’t think I can spell out what’s going on w/o saying it and it would be bad if I did.

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It does concern me a little that VFP is not here tho.

This doesn’t change anything but if it’s good enough for u vote VFP

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I can respect that. I also don't remember the last game I ran. I'll try to jog my memory. I do think you're reaching out in good faith though and I really don't get Vax's push.

You have too!
Bell isn’t as strong as Pichu so he needs help.

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I don't really like Church on 103. It made me vote for them. So much ATE, I barfed. (tis a joke) But seriously, it left me with bad feelings.

LMFAO

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Alisae

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Guys church is scum they’re ate on 103 is bad
Lmfao

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Church what u r saying is that Bell is an investigative with a red check on VFP and I'm going to literally just state that bc it is incredibly unlikely that of 4 group scum at least 1 isn't aware or won't pick up on that at this point. Whereas there are town PRs we want to pick up on that who might miss it. The discussion is now over, it's your theory, Bell doesn't need to confirm or deny and we shouldn't have other people theorize further either.

Not that many people posted so it’s possible that by the time scum just come back the thread gets locked and there’s nothing they can do. I think you might be surprised, we might be able to pull a fast one on them.

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Wat

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Yes yes u are

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Praise marry they are the cutest

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Next vote is hammer

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Ya

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Let’s spam a bit more and go to the next page tho.

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Amazing idea gorilla very good I’m just going to claim that idea as my own tyvm

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HAMMER
HAMMER
HAMMER

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ya sure dude just help me fluff this up a bit

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marry is scum afraid to hammer their buddy

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look at her
she's afraid
she won't do it

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She was talking hot shit against VFP earlier but now when it comes down to killing him she won't do it

THE FEAR

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MARRY MADGE

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ROBBED

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DRAGONS LITERALLY COMMITING HIESTS RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER

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Save the dragons is a really cool userid btw

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btw I was actually just talking out of my ass
this is what we call a bruh moment

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guys we need to keep the posts going scum aren't here its an all village party woooooooot

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LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO
PUMP IT UP

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HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME

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I'VE MADE MY MISTAKES

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I'VE GOT NOWHERE TO RUN

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THE NIGHT GOES ON AS I'M FADING AWAY

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I'M SICK OF THIS LIFE

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I JUST WANNA SCREAM

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HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME

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I was scum. Sad times!

The activity comments were pretty meh since I've geneiunly been inactive site wide due to issues outside of MS. But be it you get scum, just for the wrong reasons.

GL everyone and enjoy the nuking!

Also for the record I selected every role in the game as I didn't realise you could just try for a few

ok the guy is an idiot let's read his ISO for associative.

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I remember their marry push from the start of the day?
Ya marry is likely not aligned with VFP

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I dont see scum Robert playing like this.
Seems to be frustrated town more than caught scum.
The problem is I don't scum read Nexus either.
I only really want to vote in these 2 if the deadline is approaching.

T3 isn't a town read of mine yet which could imply scum here, but I want another day to take the read.

Dragon pings me and I could lim here.
Outside if that I think better wagons are on Deathnote and Koto (since no one is interested in Marry today)

Dragon town
Robert and Nexus could have scum I don't think so.
T3 could be scum

pedit: It's not personal. I'm attacking your play. You claimed scum in twilight and that's objectively bad play so I'm punishing you for your mistake

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Guys is Titus scum with VFP?

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T3 seems not aligned with VFP guys what do y'all think

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why is giving your alignment in twilight bad...

its bad to claim scum in twilight because you can use twilight to try to find partners and let the village talk about them before you actually flip. If your scum you want to troll its objectively better for your faction

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Mena comes back tomorrow yaaaaaaay!

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he has his big move today so he comes back tomorrow
very poggers

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Gorilla I'll relook VFP's ISO and see try to find what I said about T3 that made me think they're not aligned.

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Use it?

Townslip for not knowing what the eavesdropper is??

No it was bad phrasing. I meant use it as a claim.

VFP almost felt over fixated on mastina fpossibly flipping scum which pings me as slightly busy, and based on play alone lean scum

Why wouldn't I be?
Mastina said that I was scum for playing differently.
I have 1 game with mastina where day 1 I hadn't posted much in that game either. This read from mastina was just a fake attempt considering my play is no different to Electorial Mafia day 1 in the sense of content or activity (at least enough to not warrant a scum read based on it).

but I've some reason to suspect the slot from the replacement anyway in that this VFP is not the town VFP that I've seen before.

Fake meta is always a scum tell.

I think I looked at this post and thought T3 wasn't aligned with VFP. Usually scum are more aggressive towards their buddies when they're getting bussed and this reads to me as more defensive than anything

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BTW I nominate Gorilla was our new president

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hmm t3 is still alive huh

that might need to be remedied

No, T3's even more town with teh VFP flip

OK GUYS


I really feel like I'm stating the obvious here but guys

There's a terrorist.
Try to keep that in min when you're looking through associations.
Don't be an idiot and use associations to clear what could be a terrorist.
The terrorist so far has been scumsiding with their kills and it's still something we need to find and kill. I'm not suggesting scumhunting for it, but I'm just saying there's more than 1 anti-town faction here so let's not be stupid ya.

I mean Vax probably isn't group scum based off of something gorilla posted that I think is probably fine but I definitely scumread his actions and I'm not sure what to make of that so........

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I have a nuke and I have 0 plans on using it until I get a chance to talk to Mena.

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okay terrorist aside i think im at

Very unlikely scum

Bell

Probs town

gorilla
Church
joqiza

Townie

Ceph
gorilla
Vax
Robert
Nexus
sam

Who?

Equinox
Koto
DeathNote
T3
DeasVail

Conflicted

marry
SVD

No idea

Titus
Toogeloo

Why are you conflicted on marry?

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Why are you conflicted on marry?

tbh marry seems fun but scum can be fun too

tbh, i get kinda skeptical out when people act overly nice sometimes i get scared im getting pocketed somehow idk

What do you think about VFP's d2 posting towards Marry and Marry's posting towards VFP?

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toogeloo's ISO can be boring as town

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btw should I be concerned when it comes to titus considering how hesitant they were to vote VFP yesterday? Pichu in Pooky vs FL had a guilty on scum!Bell, didn't claim it, and did everything he could to force a Bell elim down. Pichu succeeded. Titus ran this game and even said that the play was really good so...

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viewtopic.php?f=56&t=85191 This is the game for what its worth it took place on D2

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I dont think that's anything

if ur talking to me why because when I saw those Bell posts thats what I thought happened instantly considering I don't think he's the player that usually pleads for something to die for no reason, and I think Bell would be inspired to try to push through guilties that way but doesn't have the strength as a player to do it so he got desperate and pleaded for it because things weren't going his way hoping someone would listen to him.

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IV seems town to me btw?
Usually when scum comes out with a claim the claim generally looks good or is obviously bullshit.
This doesn't look good at all but it looks honest.

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DeathNote is a good person to throw a nuke for the purposes of forcing him to do something but if you're throwing out a nuke with this in mind you have to abort it and I'm not sure people want to be aborting nukes.

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I actually think Et All said we should be throwing aborting nukes or something

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Also, this feels like a good juncture to say: try very hard to not recall your nukes. If a claim would make you want to recall it, ask for the claim before you fire it. If someone goes incredibly obvtown after getting nuked, then it's justified, but make sure plenty of people agree with you that the reaction was obvtown. Otherwise you're just sacrificing town-controlled kills.

-S

This

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I dont think that's anything

if ur talking to me why because when I saw those Bell posts thats what I thought happened instantly considering I don't think he's the player that usually pleads for something to die for no reason, and I think Bell would be inspired to try to push through guilties that way but doesn't have the strength as a player to do it so he got desperate and pleaded for it because things weren't going his way hoping someone would listen to him.

i mean, it was clear you were referencing something; I don't think titus has much to gain by just pretending not to get it / it seems reasonable to me that she just didn't make the connection

i guess i should let her answer though

Okay no I like this.

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Cephrir what do you think of IV?

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oh btw set up question
The terrorist can have nukes right or does he have to go troops?

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Cephrir you seem like you don't want the nuke to be aborted otherwise you would say so. Why?

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i've largely accepted that there are going to be a lot of daykills today and i can't control them all, plus et al's argument seems sound to me; i would only argue for a recall if the target was a strong townread

I don't think that's what they're saying I think what they said was nukes should be recalled if a lot of people agree that the overall reaction seemed townie

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What part?
The part about people agreeing it's obvtown?
or the part that it's obvtown?

because if it's about the part of people agreeing it's obvtown, then what do you think I'm trying to do here?

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high expectations much?
Shouldn't it just matter if it's honest and just, not scum?

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high expectations much?
Shouldn't it just matter if it's honest and just, not scum?

i dunno why you have a bee in your bonnet about my opinion on this matter in particular!

cuz u seem town and u seemed like a person to bounce this idea off of

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high expectations much?
Shouldn't it just matter if it's honest and just, not scum?

i dunno why you have a bee in your bonnet about my opinion on this matter in particular!

cuz u seem town and u seemed like a person to bounce this idea off of

ur welcome to keep trying to drum up support im not gonna fight against a recall either

ok

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ugh Alisae is partly inspiring me to try and stay alive a g a i n s t a l l o d d s noooo

dude, if you wanna go out, I'm not going to stop you because it was your choice.

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It's ultimately is your decision on if you want to try to stay alive or if you want to go out.
Just like how it's Nexus' decision when he can decide to recall the nuke.

All I can do is just say I want the nuke recalled

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yes what joqiza said

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joqiza sounds smarter than me

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uhhh hold on, i want to make it clear that i express my opinions with extreme confidence, but don't just assume they're correct cuz of that, i only do that cuz i'm a Man

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Yep its once per day so you get more the next day

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Howdy Bell

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Hi there, I’ll get to this when I feel settled enough as my brain is mashed potato from
Work.

Mostly though, who was et al pushing? They kind of just stopped posting and earned an nk anyway.

no idea. We'll know if someone tries to shoot a nuke and it fails I think

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I probably think they targetted me and my launch isn't going to go through

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I haven’t read who launched what at who yet.
I don’t have a silo though. So if anyscum would like a shot I’m defenseless.

Nexus shot a nuke at innocentvillager
Save the Dragons shot a nuke at koto/merlot slot

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btw guys
Mognet crumbed who he was targetting N1.
He was targetting me
I know this because a lot during D1 he said that he didn't trust me w/ nukes.

IV also claimed that Mognet targetted me N1.

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Can we get this nuke recalled please?

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okay but we're still nuking u tho @entity

also "unreadable" is like a strong word, I've had about an hour for this game today after not checking it for like 3 days and am nearly caught up so failing to see how hyper posting is/was a problem here at all

Nearly caught up? Doesn’t realize I am Prism slot. Like what?

I don’t think I trust you with nukes. You keep picking townreads. Titus would be a much better nuke but alas I am a pacifist.

Total war should honestly just be set to default

Why? We should be discussing things. It helps us that are not pacifists to aim nukes properly.

Bro I get to nuke people

I wanna nuke people and do it asap

And I don’t trust your Alisae head or your reads so I don’t want you to do it ASAP.

fuck u I wanna have fun

More than one way to do that. I don’t trust you with a nuke. Leaving this here. Remember this people.

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I am not very good at finding scum but even I can see Cephrir is scum.

why

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I wanna compliment Sircakez on the death flavor this game.

it's not original

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I wanna compliment Sircakez on the death flavor this game.

it's not original

*ahem*
Many things this game were taken from Andrius and AlamasterGM but all of the flavor is handwritten original by myself.

Wait actually this is new I thought it was the same nuke flavortext andy and alamaster used.

The flavor otherwise has been really good thank you for clarifying.
Also you are a very reputable mod

pedit: yes

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Shut up EVERYONE JUST SHUT UP!

Be cool man be coooll...

I'm not crazy your crazzy!

Nuke: T3

DONT LOOK AT ME YOU SCUM BASTARD.

What a pro-town nuke.

I dunno about IV, I think he's town kinda. But I could be wrong.

I have zero opinion on koto.

Follow me and NO

IV needs a nuke

T3 needs recalled

gorilla why is this town?

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Shut up EVERYONE JUST SHUT UP!

Be cool man be coooll...

I'm not crazy your crazzy!

Nuke: T3

DONT LOOK AT ME YOU SCUM BASTARD.

What a pro-town nuke.

I dunno about IV, I think he's town kinda. But I could be wrong.

I have zero opinion on koto.

Follow me and NO

IV needs a nuke

T3 needs recalled

gorilla why is this town?

Didn't feel like he and mastina were aligned based on the early game, conviction in his reads felt genuine

I'm not reading his posts with the finest of detail but I feel like on a skim the aggression is likely scum motivated? It's a gut ping more than anything but my gut has been trustworthy as of recently.
What I really don't like about that Vax post I quoted is that it feels like they're not even reading IV's post and it doesn't feel like they're trying to form a read on the player.

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Do not recall IV. I dont care if he is town, do not recall, im too worried about that slot.

the fuck? why?

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I think ur sleeping on Vaxkiller I'm not happy with his IV read it feels like he stopped trying to read the slot a long time ago

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If Koto is going to stay consistent with his level of activity I do not care if he is alive or dead to be quite honest.

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oh your robert read makes sense

my problem with it is like well, he seems, honest? I've encountered a lot of players who have been like "Why bother even trying if I'm just going to get scumread" It's a concern that more inexperienced players have? Him saying that he literally decided to just take counterintelligence and die like, there has to be a reason for it. To me he comes across as more inexperienced. Is it still bad behavior? Fuck ya.

I believe townreading Robert is encouraging this behavior.
I think Robert needs to learn to just play the game normally and not worry about getting scumread.
I want to townread Robert and encourage this behavoir.

And I'm not exactly sure how to go about that?

[The Church of Skitter]

Not encourage this behavoir*

sorry

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An idea just came to be but this is is stoned ali so I don't know how good this is.

I think we should leave Robert alone.
If we want to, actually read this player, then I feel like the pressure of losing the game will eventually break him and make force him to play the game and post readable content.

I think this is correct, but I'm not 100% sure on it being correct.
It's based on the logic that he believes that his death will have no impact on the game. That's why he sees him dying as him getting what he wants.

In the late game if he is scum and genuinely think that this playstyle will coast him to victory, late game is going to come and he is going to be exposed in the late game. He's not someone who can win F3 unless he puts in an actual effort.

If he's town then if he wants to win in F3 he's going to have to actually, work a tiny bit, for it, or at least by the time we get here, the movements he has made would have made logical sense to come from scum.

Basically I think if it's resolve itself as the game gets smaller and it becomes more important to actually give a fuck.

Not sure how good this is or if this is any good at all or if it's just straight up bad (I also just realized I'm defending the guy who has counterintelligence so on the basis of that alone I should just be okay with this guy dying)

Because I don't want to encourage this behavior and I don't feel okay townreading it if it'll mean that he's can just go do this in his next game. Because the guy obviously needs to just learn how to play the game.

[The Church of Skitter]

or I'm getting trolled (now that I think about it toogeloo said he was a troll or something) kekw

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I think ur sleeping on Vaxkiller I'm not happy with his IV read it feels like he stopped trying to read the slot a long time ago

If you scum read 2 people in that slot how would you feel? Yea I have stopped reading that slot, it's done too much wrong, and I want it sorted out.

the fuck do you mean there's no such thing as done too much wrong

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I slept on this and I'm not sure we should be writing off Robert for doing the suboptimal move

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honestly I'm starting to have too many townreads

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An idea just came to be but this is is stoned ali so I don't know how good this is.

I think we should leave Robert alone.
If we want to, actually read this player, then I feel like the pressure of losing the game will eventually break him and make force him to play the game and post readable content.

I think this is correct, but I'm not 100% sure on it being correct.
It's based on the logic that he believes that his death will have no impact on the game. That's why he sees him dying as him getting what he wants.

In the late game if he is scum and genuinely think that this playstyle will coast him to victory, late game is going to come and he is going to be exposed in the late game. He's not someone who can win F3 unless he puts in an actual effort.

If he's town then if he wants to win in F3 he's going to have to actually, work a tiny bit, for it, or at least by the time we get here, the movements he has made would have made logical sense to come from scum.

Basically I think if it's resolve itself as the game gets smaller and it becomes more important to actually give a fuck.

Not sure how good this is or if this is any good at all or if it's just straight up bad (I also just realized I'm defending the guy who has counterintelligence so on the basis of that alone I should just be okay with this guy dying)

Because I don't want to encourage this behavior and I don't feel okay townreading it if it'll mean that he's can just go do this in his next game. Because the guy obviously needs to just learn how to play the game.

Here's the thing about Robert, and I mentioned this yesterday: he very clearly knows how to play the game. In that view his current play is inexplicable and unhelpful. I'm left in an awkward place where I'm really not comfortable with him endgaming, but also I don't want to be the one that kills him so I can have a clean conscience.

I slept on this and the conclusion I came to is that leaving the guy live who only did the sub-optimal play and nothing else is probably not enough to warrant letting it live.

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I got top 16 at my yugioh tournament

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the tour had 100+ players
I am very happy with this result

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I got top 16 at my yugioh tournament

Logging in just to congratulate you at winning at a children’s card game.
I am serious. Every time I’ve entered a card game tournament I get whooped.

omg I was so anxious

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I had a really good meta call which I was super happy with but the whole thing was anxious and stressful it was exciting tho I'm happy
it's my first top at these kind of events and this tournament had strong players so it's a really good result. I'm happy with it (even tho I did commit war crimes with my deck haha)

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DeasVail why is intercepting T3 better than not intercepting. Wouldn't it be better to save it for a nuke that was shot by scum or am I missing something?

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I think the threat of your role existing is stronger than actually using your role if that makes sense but ig it's fine if you just don't see yourself using it for anything else this day phase :/

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I’m assuming that scum making a nuke are not necessarily going to let on that they are scum nuking?

Okay so I kind of sound like an idiot now huh.

But still aren't you like, the only thing protecting major town players?

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sorry please be patient with me I'm stoned

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i think i get it now ig

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i get it now
this is why vax isn't scum

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Was scum's only missle silo afk the whole time?
That's hilarious

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I say only because I don't think other scum has missle silos but I'm not sure they could have another ig.
We haven't seen it so I just don't think its likely but this thought process is probably flawed somehow

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either way fuck him guy was an asshole

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Cephrir - Has throughout the game just generally been townie
innocentvillager - townie claim
Save the Dragons - Nuked Koto probably not groupscum
Vaxkiller - pushes people in villagery ways
Toogeloo - Has done toogeloo things. Ya know what, I should probably just stop writing him off for no reason and probably read his iso?
Bell - yep villager
gorilla - yep villager
Equinox - I think I re-read this after toogeloo
DeasVail - Seems like a villager? Maybe it's just moreso he just doesn't seem scummy
Nexus - Retracting the nuke was good
Titus - The way they sheeped LLD D1 was villagery for me and I think the way they just to get wagon data is good. They also want The Entity/Equniox. If you had to force me to say who was townier between the two I would say Titus and a lot of that is because of experience w/ Titus but I don't know anything about Equinox aside from "the big post seem fine" and that's not enough anymore I need something better so...
samantha97 - I actually have no idea what Samantha wants to do
joqiza - I mean he sounds smart
marry - Okay I think its worthwhile asking so anyone can pitch in, why is marry town aside from interactions with VFP and VFP pushing marry because that's the only reason for that I can think of off the top of my head to townread her and that just mean's she's not groupscum and even if it's just this 1 fight I don't actually remember it because I haven't actually read it but I'm not sure it's enough to look at and say "oh ya, this it's pretty much impossible for this to be theater"

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That's really hard to read and I want people to actually read it so I'ma just repost it and break it up
Okay I think its worthwhile asking so anyone can pitch in, why is marry town aside from interactions with VFP and VFP pushing marry? That's the only reason for that I can think of off the top of my head to townread her and that just mean's she's not groupscum. Even if it's just this 1 fight I don't actually remember it (I also haven't read it) but I'm not sure it's enough to look at and say "oh ya, this it's pretty much impossible for this to be theater"

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she claimed eavesdropper as a joke when a mafia eavesdropper was l-1

why does this matter?

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Spoiler: quotes

eavesdropper here guys. mafia said they like big butts? not really sure what to make of this, would really appreciate some help. more at 11.

This is the first reference to Marry pretending to be eavesdropper.

This is during the time Mastina was picking up votes based on the VC.
What is the scum purpose of this?
I agree just because they claimed they aren’t town. They’re town because of Mastina’s flip and no scum benefit

eavesdropper here guys. mafia said they like big butts? not really sure what to make of this, would really appreciate some help. more at 11.

eavesdropper here guys. mafia said they like big butts? not really sure what to make of this, would really appreciate some help. more at 11.

okay since you claimed, i am now going to be forcing you to post

publicly

everything you receive

so any message you receive, I want to be able to see it here. No mod communication signs just. rewrite it word for word

i hate to tell you this so early into our new friendship but it was a joke and i will claim when it is time to... this goes without saying but dont interact with my post seriously i dont wanna fish i just was breaking tension

Marry was joking about being Eavesdropper. NAI. Can be town doing it, thinking it's funny, can be scum doing it, thinking it's funny.

if she flips scum i commit seppuku

Why again is marry town?

These are the only game relevant posts that came up when I ctrl + F "marry"

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Did VFP and marry fight before or after this point

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I can't find the fight

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she claimed eavesdropper as a joke when a mafia eavesdropper was l-1

why does this matter?

all depends how you interpret marry as a person

most people wouldn't do something as bold as joke about having the role your teammate is about to be revealed as

the remainder would do something like that just so people would take that as them being town

Well
do you know if marry wouldn't do something as bold as that as a joke if she knows mastina is scum?
or are you just forcing down what you think marry would do without actually knowing if that's correct or not. Have you played with her before?

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2087 is the start

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ok so Koto's posts were after the fight.
Not sure what it means

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I'm not sure if I am seeing the questioning and the completely no way this is scum motivated play I saw from toogeloo in pooky v fl and titus v nancy drew
pedit: glad you agree

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more deaths coming to you in 5mins!

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idk how you interpreted what I said as forcing something down

I was explaining the argument for town while also saying why it could not be town

never played with marry before but joqiza has, and last I saw he thinks she's town

the way I see it you're forcing down the narrative of "marry could not do that" when you don't know if marry would actually do that.
Something like how this meme immediately comes to mind when I think of your marry stance except its about this not empathy

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I think DeathNote is probably going to flip town, T3 could be town but not 100% sure on it, honestly I think more terrorist more than anything, and Robert I don't know it honestly could be anything.

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Ya I think I'm going to put down a vote.
Mena can change it.

What is a good vote
Cephrir? no
innocentvillager? no
Save the Dragons? If I'm not looking for groupscum but I want groupscum so no.
Vaxkiller? no
Toogeloo? it's votable
Bell? No
gorilla? No
Robert M Hunter? no
Equinox? decline to answer I want to look through their posts
DeasVail? no
Nexus? no
The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)? no
Titus? no
samantha97? You know what, maybe I should just be honest. I saw their stance on Total War, I thought even tho its complete batshit wrong it's probably town and thats the first thing I can think of when I think of Sam's posts. Yet again for some reason I actually just, don't read sam posts when I've played with him like in the game where I was hydraing with koba ya I didn't read any of his posts even tho I was only in it for about 20 pages. Ya I have no idea
joqiza? no
marry? at this minute no?

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Nexus - Retracting the nuke was good

Well Titus, this is the only reason I have for townreading Nexus. Do you think this is good enough? Because this is my stance on Nexus.

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oh ya I just remembered, their interactions with et all or just their posts towards et all are something I would imagine nexus doing as a villager.

Either way Titus, take my read on Nexus as you will. It's not my top choice.

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Nexus read for me is mostly tone. Think he's probably town but not a bet the game level read.


Anyway I think I'm going to head off and come back tomorrow evening when robert is a glowing green crater.

If you ever have like time check the thread and if you see something that's I say that's worth commenting on, please say so because I like having a soundboard to talk to and Mena isn't exactly around atm

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I can see why you would want to do that.
Honestly
I think you should do what you want. I think this is definitely your towngame so I think you should do what you think will enable you for success and if nuking nexus is what helps you go ahead and do it.

I just think the guy is a villager and have weak reasons

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Things are apathetic and I'm bored.
I don't want to encourage apathy I want to fight it.

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Bell

I am bored out of my mind.
This is a draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag

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I HATE THIS

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Bell for the record what exactly are your reads

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Probably not

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dude you know as soon as he shows up he's just going die a radioactive death honestly I almost wish he would just do it he got nuked after all and he's honestly doesn't care about the game. If he was going to do that he would have done it by now let's be real it's just not happening

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Just play the dam miller role dude you volunteered to play miller if you were a miller would you just say "hey guys kill me i randed miller"

NO
YOU WOULDN'T

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IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE

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The nuke on you has not arrived yet but it cannot be aborted or intercepted I think

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we're all waiting on your flip

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I'm fine with that, I'm not going to try to stop it. I'm just telling you my flip so you can move on to more exciting things.

you know you don't have to make us wait right

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gorilla what are your thoughts on Equinox?

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Toogeloo is a good nuke I think.
I think I can read him

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everyone seems town and I don't have a good townread on him
so I think he's a good nuke

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Part of how mastina plays scum is she tries to twist the truth so I think your read has merit to it.

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you also know her more than I do so I trust you

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The VCA gods aren't real so I guess nexus has nothing to worry about

It works for Titus and I've seen Titus destroy scumteams (me) a lot with how she approaches the game if she's able to do it. I think if Titus does whats good for Titus that's ultimately good for town. To be honest I don't remember a game where she got everything she wanted and still lost.

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I also like to think I'm competent at scum but also I have nothing to show for it as all of my latest scumgames have been losses and sometimes I can be delusional so.......

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Titus, joqiza, DeasVail, and Cephrir should all eat a nuke imo.

I townread
all of these players

[The Church of Skitter]

I'm not being nuked or lynched today.

This reads like you're softing something.

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I strongly believe that Titus as town and I'm probably one of the best people on the playerlist to read her.

I'm able to read her because I understand what her villager game looks like because I understand what she does and why she does it.

Titus' posting reads to me as extremely natural and I think her posting is very likely to come from her villager game.

Please trust me

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Cephrir - Has throughout the game just generally been townie
innocentvillager - townie claim
Save the Dragons - Nuked Koto probably not groupscum
Vaxkiller - pushes people in villagery ways
Toogeloo - Has done toogeloo things. Ya know what, I should probably just stop writing him off for no reason and probably read his iso?
Bell - yep villager
gorilla - yep villager
Equinox - I think I re-read this after toogeloo
DeasVail - Seems like a villager? Maybe it's just moreso he just doesn't seem scummy
Nexus - Retracting the nuke was good
Titus - The way they sheeped LLD D1 was villagery for me and I think the way they just to get wagon data is good. They also want The Entity/Equniox. If you had to force me to say who was townier between the two I would say Titus and a lot of that is because of experience w/ Titus but I don't know anything about Equinox aside from "the big post seem fine" and that's not enough anymore I need something better so...
samantha97 - I actually have no idea what Samantha wants to do
joqiza - I mean he sounds smart
marry - Okay I think its worthwhile asking so anyone can pitch in, why is marry town aside from interactions with VFP and VFP pushing marry because that's the only reason for that I can think of off the top of my head to townread her and that just mean's she's not groupscum and even if it's just this 1 fight I don't actually remember it because I haven't actually read it but I'm not sure it's enough to look at and say "oh ya, this it's pretty much impossible for this to be theater"

{Titus, Bell, Gorilla, Toogeloo, Joqiza, IV}
{DeaVail, Vaxkiller, Cephrir}
{Nexus, marry, Equinox}
{Sam}
{STD}

Changes

Cephrir - This is starting to be one of my weaker reads but I still feel very strongly about it because Cephrir has moments that really stand out to me as villagery moments.
STD - Nothing changed with the read, I just go by most town to least town. He's still never groupscum. See, here's the thing. I'm running into just a bit too many townreads. Anyone on the top category I will absolutely never touch, the people in the second category are people I still feel like are town but if things are going seriously fucking wrong then they should be worth reconsidering, the third are weaker townreads. I'm not sure what you want me to do to be quite honest.
toogeloo - Batlteship.
Equinox - I am starting to get it. People feel like the slots interactions with Reck clear them and people don't think that the slot's interactions with Koto's slot wouldn't have happened the way it did if they were scumbuddies and merlot would still probably be in the game. There are also a few other reasons but this is the one that stood out to me, and I think I'm not sure, because I've been scum with Reck before and he was definitely like that to me because he was determined to bus me. Either way, on one hand, OGI, on the other hand, Reck could do it. I'm not sure but I think there are also other reasons I need to look at.

Just a note about Joq: If he's scum and he decided the best way to win this game was to be the smart villager, all power to him. I'll be extremely impressed if he's scum.

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Anyone else bothered by Nexus not playing anymore?

he reads more salty more than anything but I haven't been giving his posts my fullest attention

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DeasVail what's your take on marry.
Ya, marry would get more attention when she's been AFK and people are starting to be villagery. If she's a villager she needs to remind everyone why. We're starting to run out of options

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o wait you just said it

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I'm really stoned right now I'm sorry I can't read T_T

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STD is a really obvious Terrorist to me to be honest

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Ya right now what I really want is for marry to show up and start reminding everyone why she's town.
It seems like people forgot.

pedit: Look for the people who don't want to stay on people's radars. Playing 3rd party is like walking a fine line of not dying but also not standing out. I really wanna give it a go it seems super fun to me. I feel like I would be perfect at it because I get to be town but also kill and decieve.

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That's how scum want to approach multiball and I think the same logic applies here.
Scum don't want to get shot by scum and need to kill scum first.

I shouldn't be hunting but STD isn't group scum. TBH I actually hope I'm wrong about him but it seems very stereotypically likely.

Now that I think about it tho, I actually think I'm wrong. I'm not actually sure he kills Pooky or LLD.

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Maybe he kills Et all but I'm not sure

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does that apply in this game where the mafia team is getting dunked on and there are a lot of bleeding town players

i feel like the terrorist should just be looking as town as possible here

If I'm any scum faction I want to remove variance. As a terrorist, the scum faction is variance. As a scum faction, the terrorist is variance.

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If you're either scum faction you want the other one dead pronto. It's as important as trying to hunt for power roles among the crowd and killing the people that are making your life hard.

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When you put it that way it sounds like you think my STD read has merit

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DUDE I'M SO MAD I WANNA BE THE TERRORIST

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Gorilla to me stands out way too much

[The Church of Skitter]

Well you know what
a terrorist could just be genuinely scumhunting...

[The Church of Skitter]

NOPE
Not going to go down this rabbit hole
nonononononono

[The Church of Skitter]

Nope can't encourage this this is how village loses.

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Oh ya I almost forgot
this came to mind when I remember marry

Joq is really good at reading them ya?

I actually vaguely remember how mastina spew'd both Joq and marry. I actually can't believe I forgot this but I actually think this reason is enough for me to work with marry being town

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A lot of it is just personal mannerisms/tells but also I feel like mastina was truth-telling when she said marry and I couldn't ever be scum because we were bouncing sound waves off each other or whatever. Like it was wild but it was the kinda shit I don't think ppl can make up I think she really saw it that way.

Part of how mastina plays scum is she tries to twist the truth so I think your read has merit to it.

I actually almost forgot about this and I feel like this is pretty good

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Ya I think it's probably just likely that both of them are town

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dam I forgot
3430 is really good.

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{Titus, Bell, Gorilla, Toogeloo, Joqiza, IV, marry}
{DeaVail, Vaxkiller, Cephrir}
{Nexus, Equinox, STD}
{Sam}

Changes

STD - Goes up. He made me feel at ease weirdly enough and I actually appreciate this a bit. I want to like it.
Marry - 3430 is really good.
joq - 3430 is really good