Micro 1013: IMoA [game over!]

[Sigmund]

VOTE: NorwegianBoy

I thirst for blood

[Sigmund]

We kill him first

Then I vig his scum buddy tonight

[Sigmund]

He is paralyzed by fear

[Sigmund]

I will slaughter you

[Sigmund]

My blade hungers for the blood of the guilty

[Sigmund]

Every word you speak betrays your guilt

[Sigmund]

Freud

This is a slip

[Sigmund]

Your soul is mine

[Sigmund]

It’s the best flavour i’ve ever seen.

Talking about flavor is a scumtell

[Sigmund]

Because your role pm is red

[Sigmund]

I am filled with jealousy for mine is green

[Sigmund]

You are going to die today

[Sigmund]

Sigmund, can you

please

stop memeing? This is getting spammy and repetitious.

this is caught scum

[Sigmund]

if everyone votes norwegianboy i can figure out who his partner is by what sound he makes when he breaks

[Sigmund]

Can you solve me normally before i get irrationally angry.

why are you angry if there's only one vote on you?

[Sigmund]

are you worried my sword can 5x vote you out of the game?

[Sigmund]

I assure you if Datisi had given me such an ability I would've used it already

[Sigmund]

I've just never known this to be a successful scum strategy. How would you manipulate the town to do your bidding playing like that? It's a lose lose strat.

I have killed nine townies in a row once.

It was glorious.

[Sigmund]

This is a simulated artificial reaction by Norwegian Boy

He is faking what he reacts with when he gets shitpushed as a townie.

However there is only one vote on him.

It is functionally RVS but he's already pulling out the waterworks.

[Sigmund]

Maybe his eyes are watering at the fact that he has an alt tunneling him and no means to repel it since you're needling him for no given reason.

ok but why would he care if he's at 1 vote?

[Sigmund]

if everyone votes norwegianboy i can figure out who his partner is by what sound he makes when he breaks

could you say something about me please?

sup hottie

[Sigmund]

i get unfairly pushed for reasons i do not understand.

caught for the wrong reasons scum

if I wrote you a phd dissertation on why you're scum would you accept death?

[Sigmund]

I have multiple reasons to believe that Ta Vera and Moon are likely not SvS here, so if one flips scum then the other would be very likely town.

trying to get two townies to 1v1

[Sigmund]

The drama between Norwegian and Sigmund is very odd. Though I would be impressed in the unlikely scenario where they are scum hard distancing early.

I don't really have much to comment on until the inactives participate.

I only do the best scum theatre

[Sigmund]

No. But i’d be a whole lot more happy. Because then i can disprove your case.

"Help I don't know why I'm caught"

[Sigmund]

You didn’t even read my post did you?

I read your role pm

[Sigmund]

Point is dumb.

Caught for Dumb Reasons is still caught

[Sigmund]

Ta is.pretty concerned what players think, and I feel is just getting away with muttering in the back ground while Sigmund and Norwegianboy shit up the thread.

This is Norwegian's scumbuddy 85% of the time

[Sigmund]

This game is over

[Sigmund]

I have 15 percentage points of Primo Norwegian Scum Equity for anyone who wants to come defend him sign up here

[Sigmund]

Maybe his eyes are watering at the fact that he has an alt tunneling him and no means to repel it since you're needling him for no given reason.

ok but why would he care if he's at 1 vote?

Being annoyed about how someone is approaching you is not really dependent on the number of votes. I do agree that he is "overreacting" but continuing to approach him the same way isn't going to get him to calm down and perhaps be more readable.

Don’t bother.
He doesn’t care about reason.
VOTE: Sigmund

Another scumtell

[Sigmund]

VOTE: Something Smart

[Sigmund]

scum find it difficult to get involved in a game state that is favorable for them

[Sigmund]

90% of the posts are a townie shitpushing another townie

[Sigmund]

scum love tvt shitfights but have trouble figuring out how to inject themselves into game flow without interrupting it

[Sigmund]

Why is northsidegal town?

the rage rep-out with r-word slurs thrown in my direction are highly town indicative

[Sigmund]

scum love tvt shitfights but have trouble figuring out how to inject themselves into game flow without interrupting it

and you think I'm having trouble involving myself in the game?

I think you looked at the thread and decided not to post

[Sigmund]

90% of the posts are a townie shitpushing another townie

Not sure the math checks out on this one. And the assumptions feel dangerous, though probably less so to you as you can assume that you are town without much danger.

I'm not going to doubt my own alignment because I'm not an idiot

[Sigmund]

This reminds me of someone...who did turn out to be scum...

Who?

Why does this even matter to you

die scum die

[Sigmund]

I think you looked at the thread and decided not to post

That is correct. Why would I post when I haven't been paying attention?

It's funny how you only pay attention when you're getting pushed but when Norwee is getting pushed you find the game unworthy of your attention.

It's almost as if scum!you only cares about your own bacon.

[Sigmund]

Why is northsidegal town?

the rage rep-out with r-word slurs thrown in my direction are highly town indicative

Lmao.

It wasn't the reaction I was going for but I'll take the free IC.

[Sigmund]

It's funny how you only pay attention when you're getting pushed but when Norwee is getting pushed you find the game unworthy of your attention.

It's almost as if scum!you only cares about your own bacon.

Or town!me does?

Town you would probably care more about me slapping norwee around with my sword.

[Sigmund]

Why?

Why should you care about what's going on in this game?

Is this a serious question?

Why did you even join then?

[Sigmund]

does anyone agree with SS that the content in this game is "dense"

[Sigmund]

Not why

should

. Why do you think I

would

?

I do care about what happens, but I was only loosely following and a LOT went on, so I wanted to reread it closely before actually engaging in it.

Whereas, the read you posted is one I can immediately engage with without knowing the game's history.

I'm not going to engage in your pedantic nonsense.

The fact you just hid in the corner while I bullied poor norwee out of his mind and only re-entered the thread after I called you out for hiding shows me you're probably just scum here.

[Sigmund]

Yea I'm sure it's just a coincidence you would pop in and have time to post when you're getting swung at but when nothing's coming your way you can't post.

[Sigmund]

the idea that the game is dense and difficult to engage with is laughable to me.

your excuses ring hollow

[Sigmund]

Yea I'm sure it's just a coincidence you would pop in and have time to post when you're getting swung at but when nothing's coming your way you can't post.

Is this how mafia generally respond to this in your experience? Reappearing from absence into this situation as opposed to waiting slightly longer and engaging less specifically?

I'm not here to discuss general or optimal mafia play or mafia theory on response times out of ghosting the thread.

I'm here to kill bad guys

[Sigmund]

does it look bad for him to immediately respond? Yup

should scum not immediately respond when ghost-reading thread? Yup

generally do scum respond immediately on ghosting? Who the fuck knows I haven't done a scientific study and I don't care.

All I care about is what I do know, which is that SS was reading along and responded almost immediately on being called out but couldn't find the ability to weigh in on anything at all while the events were going on and that's highly scum indicative and I want him dead dead.

[Sigmund]

Well, I think Norwee was town. That's the only thing that stuck out to me on the first read. Not for the replace-out though-- Sigmund, why don't you think Norwee would respond like that as scum?

scum norwee doesn't get to that level of anger that quickly.

[Sigmund]

Iconeum is a 0 effort player regardless of alignment but if you push him he will just OMGUS shit tunnel you for the entire game

[Sigmund]

Seriously though, is Iconeum that low effort as scum? That would be really unfair to a scum buddy.

if it works it works

[Sigmund]

i guess it depends on what you mean by 0 effort
if you mean post quality then absolutely lol

if you mean posting count… ur in for a bad surprise lol

I don't mean post count

[Sigmund]

VOTE: Moongrass E-1

I love killing people.

[Sigmund]

VOTE: ICONEUM

NICE BAIT BRO

[Sigmund]

Why did you vote me there Sigmund?

generate information

if i'm lucky maybe you die and flip red

[Sigmund]

sigmund's yeet-1 vote was extremely opportunistic there

or troll

or both

troll opportunist is a good description

[Sigmund]

Sigmund's vote of Iconeum was oddly timed if the vote on me was intended to be a reaction test. I'd expect the vote on Iconeum immediately after Iconeum unvoted me, not when Iconeum calls out Sigmund indirectly by asking for my take on it.

So, if it's not a reaction test then it was intended for my elim. At the point Sigmund voted for me I don't believe he had foreseen Iconeum unvoting me mid 1v1.

Andre had put me in his scumpile so there was potential for a quick elim...opportunistic indeed.

VOTE: Sigmund

imagine thinking I even read what ICO does

[Sigmund]

Sigmund's vote of Iconeum was oddly timed if the vote on me was intended to be a reaction test. I'd expect the vote on Iconeum immediately after Iconeum unvoted me, not when Iconeum calls out Sigmund indirectly by asking for my take on it.

So, if it's not a reaction test then it was intended for my elim. At the point Sigmund voted for me I don't believe he had foreseen Iconeum unvoting me mid 1v1.

Andre had put me in his scumpile so there was potential for a quick elim...opportunistic indeed.

VOTE: Sigmund

why wouldnt i want a quick elim

[Sigmund]

i literally said I love killing people

[Sigmund]

Why did you vote me there Sigmund?

generate information

if i'm lucky maybe you die and flip red

What information would you expect to get at E-1 that you couldn't get at E-2? If I had been forced to claim that would narrow the pool for scum, so that move was at best anti-town.

lol at claiming e-1 and e-2 are the same thing

[Sigmund]

i literally said I love killing people

There are better games to satisfy your sadistic tendencies.

woah there buddy

[Sigmund]

imagine thinking I even read what ICO does

If you're observant enough to notice when the gamestate is benefitting scum, then it's likely you're playing up this troll business to suit what you do and don't notice.

I notice everything.

I just don't care about everything

[Sigmund]

what that wasn't what I was talking about at all

I was trolling Ico for baiting me by putting someone at E-2, igniting my bloodlust and hunger for deadifying people.

[Sigmund]

imagine thinking i'd care if anyone pointed at me lol

I ain't no norwee

come at me

[Sigmund]

I am not Not Mafia

[Sigmund]

imagine thinking i'd care if anyone pointed at me lol

It wasn't as much that Iconeum was pointing at you more that Iconeum seemed to be aiming Moongrass at you.

I love being attacked

combat makes my blood boil with pleasure

[Sigmund]

But also, sorry for misunderstanding the intentions of 'NICE BAIT BRO'.

It's fine you're not a mind reader

[Sigmund]

with sigmund in the game, we should be careful about putting people at Y-1

Look at ms goodie two shoes here trying to warn people of the crazy guy with a sword

VOTE: Ta Vera

[Sigmund]

I meant like Call of Duty...

sadistic is kinda far dude

[Sigmund]

I'm allergic to reading btw

[Sigmund]

If we don't kill someone soon the bad guys will get away

[Sigmund]

VOTE: VFP

[Sigmund]

are you going to call me scum or keep tiptoeing around it ?

[Sigmund]

I didn't tiptoe around anything.

pretty sure you did

[Sigmund]

Feels like you're waffling

[Sigmund]

Whenever someone waffles my nose perks up

[Sigmund]

I have an extremely keen sense of smell

[Sigmund]

I can't believe Datisi didn't give me extra votes we're never going anywhere

[Sigmund]

VOTE: sigmund

we could yeet this

and settle his bloodlust

permanently

lol

VOTE: iconeum

[Sigmund]

I doubt scum Sigmund changes the push on the northsidegal slot and calls them town. And it certainly isn't S/S there.

what

why wouldn't scum me abandon pushing on a slot that spews itself as town by rage repping out

I'm not an idiot I just pretend to be one.

[Sigmund]

yo sigmund where the scummie scums at according to you?

or you just hard scumreading me here for?? reasons

I don't have a read on you I just assumed you wanted a shitty slap fight for the lulz

[Sigmund]

ur all over the place, what are your actual reads at, roughly?

imagine thinking I'll make actual reads this game

hahahahahaha

[Sigmund]

Maybe we kill Frog Girl

She writes a lot but I'm not sure what she's saying

VOTE: Ta Vera

[Sigmund]

It's ok

I'm a caricature of a caricature

[Sigmund]

Maybe Norwee cracked as scum, it's not literally impossible.

I have doubts but NSG is fairly readable when she's town.

If she is unable to put word to paper it is scum indicative.

[Sigmund]

I townread ta vera for calling a scumread on her a good post.

excellent

[Sigmund]

Iconeum is probably scum here

[Sigmund]

i.Iconeum
ii.Andresvmb
iii.northsidegal
iv.Something_Smart
v.ta vera
vi.UneveN
vii.VFP
viii.Moongrass
ix.Sigmund

andres/sigmund scumpool

SS/ta vera/uneven/vfp are solidly in the middle

nsg and even moongrass i'm townreading at this point

i need more solid reads on those middle ones
can you people start shouting at me please?

This much effort is outside of Ico's townrange

[Sigmund]

It’s the best flavour i’ve ever seen.

VOTE: Iconeum
Just gonna buss my scum buddy real quick don’t mind me.

^

If Ico is scum it might just be these two clowns being cheeky af.

[Sigmund]

I'm not even voting Ico

haha

VOTE: Iconeum

[Sigmund]

who do you want to kill fishboy

[Sigmund]

alright let's kill frog-girl then

VOTE: Ta Vera

[Sigmund]

i would say that you overestimate the amount of people in this playerlist who know who i am and how much the scumteam even ought to fear me, but given even sigmund seems to know me perhaps it's more people in the playerlist than i realized. (although that second part still might be overestimated, i am quite rusty.)

I fear no one

[Sigmund]

oh shit scum slip oops

[Sigmund]

now, i could be wrong, but again i have to say it just makes it difficult for me to believe that you actually scumread VFP. instead, it seems more likely that you just wanted to disengage and vote for the easier ico wagon, for which support was building.

yeeeeeeeeeeeeees

[Sigmund]

I will now cover up my scum slip by posting random bullshit.

[Sigmund]

It would make you easier to read lol.

the easiest way to read something smart is to hack him to death with a dull machete and see what the mod says his alignment is

[Sigmund]

i get that you're having fun playing a character on an alt. i've done that myself fairly often. i'd just appreciate if you remembered that, if you're town, there are other people in the game trying to win who in part rely on you cooperating. and, even if you're scum, there's already one person who left this game in an emotional rage from your antics.

i'm not trying to come across as preachy (although i probably am), i just care about winning. i'm hope you can understand that.

pls tell me more

[Sigmund]

mafia generally are not particularly good at simulating that.

if i was mafia my fire would burn 5x as bright as there would be no restraints placed on me

[Sigmund]

I have heard NSG is a legendary solver of puzzles

a peerless seer whose wise gaze can pierce the thickest of clouds.

I am waiting for her to deliver the scumbags on a plate so I may cut them apart.

[Sigmund]

Also I'm bored can we just kill someone already

[Sigmund]

does it bother you at all that you essentially harassed someone out of the game? even if you think he was overreacting, was there any self-reflection over whether or not you maybe went too far?

yes it bothers me. I would not have done that if I knew he would react that way.

This is a game of accusations, murder, lies, and bullshit.

I believe my actions are well within the acceptable range of behavior for such a game and they were designed to produce a divergent emotional response from him.

I am unsure why he reacted the way he did, I have seen him get shit-pushed before and not react in such a manner.

I think we are all here playing a game for fun.

If he's not having fun, he's perfectly within his rights to replace out and leave the game.

[Sigmund]

i appreciate the confidence, but i am quite rusty. if you truly are that confident in me, i feel as though i've already posted a lot to engage with.

I need names of baddies with a high confidence level.

[Sigmund]

like if everyone decided i'm scum

and voted me out

I honestly wouldn't give a shit

its a game

you play the game by killing the people you think are scum

that's just how the game works.

And People make mistakes, and people who aren't mafia end up getting eliminated.

The game would be boring if it worked any other way.

I don't understand why people get angry or upset when you call them scum.

This isn't a tea party where we sit down and discuss how the weather is.

It was a random day 1 shit push in RVS for reaction testing.

I don't understand why he would get that angry over it.

If he wants to talk with me about it post game we can have a chat or whatever.

If he never wants to play with me again, it is what it is.

[Sigmund]

like i'm reading my iso and reading this shit push and im just cackling

why would anyone reading this absolute nonsense drivel im posting take it seriously?

[Sigmund]

does any1 really care what frog-girl's secret identity is.

let's just kill her and see whether she's scum.

[Sigmund]

people are like Christmas presents.

you open them up and you get a nice surprise one way or the other.

[Sigmund]

{UneveN, Sigmund, Moongrass, VFP, Andresvmb}

im lazy sue me

[Sigmund]

Instead of “misreading my thinking” I suppose I should have said “thought my contributions were relevant and positive, but don’t think I deserve to be TR”. Particularly over S_S who I felt shied away from a fight with Sigmund in a rather timid and somewhat Scummy way. If I may say so. Like Sigmund’s points around that I felt were spot on.

TRUE

SS BACK TO PRETENDING HES A TREE EVER SINCE I STOPPED SLAPPING HIM WITH MY SWORD

[Sigmund]

I guess we'll never find out frog-girl's true identity now

[Sigmund]

But you're a secret alt and he doesn't know your main...

SS are you ever going to do anything useful this game or pretend to be following along by making random comments that mean nothing?

[Sigmund]

Assuming you survive that long

[Sigmund]

I'd kill you but I'm busy trying to kill frog-girl for giving us the slip

[Sigmund]

There's so many people I want to kill this game and Datisi didn't give me a day-vig.

[Sigmund]

also worth noting that I believe Sigmund was arguing that norwee's emotion was fake earlier but that his escalation was too fast to be town. I don't think that's true or a very compelling argument. norwee slurring, while unpleasant, is NAI; I think anyone who's got reasonable experience as norwee knows that when he gets frustrated he has a bit of a temper, and I think he'd get pissed off with Sigmund in an equivalent way regardless of alignment given the way he was being pushed. so Sigmund's read for pivoting on the slot also doesn't make sense to me.

the goal of the shitpush is to get NorBoi out of his scumrange by getting him to do things that he doesn't do when he's scum.

NorBoi gets very angry when he gets shitpushed as town - he gets big mad and starts cursing up a storm, when he gets shitpushed as scum he usually just accepts death and assumes its some fault of his that he got caught.

[Sigmund]

I also think there's a significant difference between pushing town!norwee and pushing town!nsg, with no disrespect to norwee intended. Norwee is known to be misyeetable, and isn't particularly highly regarded as a town player. nsg is very well regarded as a townplayer and often quite easily identifiable when town. I think the slot replacing meant that keeping up the tunnel was untenable.

yea cuz I was so close to misyeeting NorBoi there.

One vote during the first 2 days of RVS.

Good game state assessment.

How do you write so much and end up that wrong.

[Sigmund]

who I'm misreading for having an asshole play style

if you misread me it's your own fault - not because of my "asshole playstyle" or whatever you want to call it.

everybody else in this game has read me correctly.

[Sigmund]

I like andres for town cuz he sounds like a pissed off teenager

[Sigmund]

I've come across your type of player before and am well aware that in lieu of the ability to do anything useful you rely on trying to make people feel bad about themselves and/or their reads when they call you out on your bullshit. Maybe I'm wrong and you are town. But if you are there's still very little to be lost from yeeting you based on your total inability to perform any critical analysis of any slot in the game so far. Speaking loudly and being a dick are things scum are just as capable of as town, and they're things that are often sadly misread. I have no intention of letting you skate by having done nothing of value because some members of town are too naive to believe that scum would play the way you have so far. I can sub in "just pushes whoever the fuck for no reason in an intentionally abrasive way" for "asshole playstyle", I just prefer the shorthand. And given that that's the way you're playing, i.e. without doing anything that actually indicates you're town, should that be the case, the blame rests squarely on your own shoulders should you prove to be a misyeet instead of a scum yeet.

Your assessment of Norwee also strikes me as inaccurate, but I'll have to look up my last meta with scum!him. I'm pretty sure he only gets defeatist if the game has been going on slightly longer when he gets caught and he's pure indignation if it's straight from RVS regardless of alignment

did you write this or was this put together by a random word generator because it's unreadable bullshit to me.

[Sigmund]

Please note that Sigmund is incapable of substantively addressing any of my points against him, and is immediately resorting to ad hom attacks.

you literally repped in and immediately called me an asshole and a policy elim and you're giving me shit for ad-homing back at you?

someone call the waaaahbulance we got a hypocrite over here.

[Sigmund]

I’m sorry you weren’t able to keep up with what was being said!

i'm sorry you keep pretending to be nice while throwing insults at me and then crying to the rest of the crowd here and playing the victim when I fire back

maybe you should learn to get the guts to actually say what you mean instead of crying and pretending you didn't start this shit fight in the first place

[Sigmund]

3) to endeavour to, as the name may have given away, a calm demeanour at all times while fulfilling steps one and two.

yea to throw insults while writing lots of words in fancy tones to sound composed and civilized while really being an incredibly arrogant douche

[Sigmund]

I do agree that his change of direction just after nsg's entrance doesn't look good

what r u even talking about.

I pushed norwee for a reaction

I got my reaction

the reaction reads as highly town indicative.

why would I continue to push on?

this is absurd

[Sigmund]

That I decided to try to get a mis-elim straight out of RVS on Norwee, a notorious townteller who rages and has a divergent reaction upon being shitpushed for reasons that most of the player list should not find convincing at all?

That POV?

haha.

[Sigmund]

ok sure

[Sigmund]

pushing mis-elims is about:

1. Timing
2. Momentum
3. Game State Manipulation
4. Opportunity.

As scum, I do not target people that towntell under pressure because it's borderline idiotic unless the read I have on the game state is that I can force it through before the emotional town-teller can obvtown their own slot.

I certainly do not target from an equilibrium position because there is no momentum to take advantage of.

All this nonsense sang froid is posting is drivel.

Either they are making it up or they are one of the worst scum players on this site and have no idea how to create mis-elims.

[Sigmund]

I think removing him from the game will create an environment that’s more cooperative and therefore more conducive to finding where the actual scum are without him proving to be a bad-tasting distraction.

sure i'll shut up you go find the scum.

[Sigmund]

btw you should go to costco and buy a mirror it'll help with your scum hunt

[Sigmund]

I have at no point pretended to be nice to you. If you can’t read blatantly hostile sarcasm aimed in your direction, that’s on you.

why are you crying to the rest of the game about me being mean to you if you spend all your time hurling insults at me?

[Sigmund]

My desire to eliminate is clearly not a policy lim, something you’d know if you were bothering to read my posts.

sounds like a policy elim when you end your post with "even if he's town it'll be easier to scumhunt when he's gone"

[Sigmund]

This is very simply not true, norwee is often a very mislimmable player who’s emotional reactions get misread as scum flails.

I've literally never mis-read him

[Sigmund]

I don’t give a shit if you’re mean to me, and have no idea where you’re getting that impression. The fact that you’re incapable of launching a defence of your play this game beyond ad hom has nothing to do with the drivel you’re spewing in my direction and everything to do with your weak arguments for why your play thus far would ever come from a town slot.

you're the one @ the rest of the game WAAAAH SIGMUND IS AD-HOMMING ME.

Like every post you send at me is some thinly veiled insult

so why are you crying about me dishing some back?

[Sigmund]

im just laughing so hard right now.

you rep in spend all your posts insulting me and advocating for a policy elim because the game would be easier to play if im not here.

then clutch your pearls and begin crying about ad-hom when I throw one post back.

like seriously wild stuff.

I'm gonna stop talking to you because it's clearly a waste of my time.

[Sigmund]

oh no moongrass you're susceptible to asshole humor watch out sang froid might advocate for your policy elim next so they can finally play with the civilized folks

[Sigmund]

@other players:

Please note that Sigmund is incapable of substantively addressing any of my points against him, and is immediately resorting to ad hom attacks.

^ this sounds a lot like

"I am a good player who wants to have a civilized and nice discussion with Sigmund, but he's choosing to instead hurl ad hom attacks on me to avoid my points"


when in reality you repped in and began insulting me immediately and spent multiple posts hurling insults at me so I fired some zingers back.

Keep clutching your pearls and pretending you're some kind of victim or some bullshit lol

[Sigmund]

I don’t particularly have any respect for the style in which you’re choosing to play scum, but I’ll grant that on a base level it is quite effective.

i have 0 respect for you crying about me insulting you after you insulted me multiple times first regardless of what your alignment is.

[Sigmund]

wow its such a waste of time talking to you I should stop haha

[Sigmund]

let's get some base facts:

1. I never insulted norwee.
2. my push on norwee was to sort his alignment.
3. we can disagree about whether anything I did while pushing him was outside the range of acceptable conduct in a mafia game, if you want to cry about "bullying" or whatever, feel free to quote what you thought is "unacceptable behavior" and we can talk about it.
4. I can point out multiple times you insulted me. I insulted you back in kind because that's what I do when people insult me.
5. I don't give a shit what you say about me because I hold 0 regard for your opinion.
6. Your argument for me having scum motivation to push norwee immediately for mis-elim on D1 when there is not a single soul voting for him is a laughable joke. It is not even rooted in reality it's such a bad argument.
7. Your argument for policy-elimming me to "promote game state happiness" or whatever the fuck you call it is a joke and just shit play if you're town.
8. I don't care about being mis-eliminated. its a game.
9. I'm not going to talk to you for the rest of the game so please don't address me or send anything my way after tonight, you can vent out whatever feelings you have but I don't really care to interact with you anymore.

[Sigmund]

logging off for now i'll do some scum-hunting tomm if I have time.

[Sigmund]

did we decide who to kill yet cuz im bored out of my mind right now

[Sigmund]

wow

just wow

[Sigmund]

I can't help who I am

[Sigmund]

Ngl the first thing that went through my head was that this setup was rejected from normal review because it had a scum-scum neighborhood. That doesn't match my reads, but it isn't impossible.

I don't necessarily think that's likely, though.

pretty sure scum-scum neighborhoods are fine for normals

[Sigmund]

I have knowledge of a masonry existing in this game, now it would be hugely unbalanced if there were also a neighbor PT with two town players in it because once the neighbors townread each other it's effectively a double masonry in the game with 4 pseudo confirmed town. Therefore, in the name of balance it's likely that one of the two neighbors is scum and if it were Andre they would not have claimed their neighbor because if we did elim nsg at some point down the track it would mean Andre's head when the masonry is discovered.

what

[Sigmund]

ngl but wouldnt it make more sense for scum to be informed of the existence of a masonry than town to be informed of the existence of a masonry

[Sigmund]

pretty sure scum-scum neighborhoods are fine for normals

Imo they violate expectations. I think at least a reasonable chunk of reviewers agree with this.

I have literally seen scum-scum neighborhoods pass normal review and I will link the games for you

[Sigmund]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84322

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86404

these are normal games that are completed with multiple scum in the same neighborhood

The normal review group has made it clear they do not reject based on this

[Sigmund]

ok i'll sheep a mason claim

who do you want to kill

[Sigmund]

VOTE: nsg

[Sigmund]

I don't even think this flips scum I'm just bored and its a mason claim so whatever

[Sigmund]

if this flips scum tho I'm going to laugh really hard

[Sigmund]

SORRY NORWEE

[Sigmund]

oh shit I guess I have to unvote now

[Sigmund]

she's got her angry disappointed face on

[Sigmund]

VOTE: Something Smart

[Sigmund]

what I've literally never voted you before in my life

[Sigmund]

I mean I'd be ok with voting myself out

its a 9P we need to elim someone and we have like 10 hours to go?

Having a mason lead the town isn't that bad

[Sigmund]

can we just kill bad guys instead of using whack ass neighborhood logic

[Sigmund]

like the theme is probably some bullshit eavesdropper shit

[Sigmund]

its probly 2 town masons
2 town neighbors
3 VTs
2 mafia with 1 having some eavesdrop ability to look into town hoods

[Sigmund]

moon can u just fucking pick someone who isnt your mason neighbor and we elim them

if we elim the eavesdropper the game is probly autowin

[Sigmund]

didnt it get rejected from normal

[Sigmund]

yea i dont read rules

[Sigmund]

did you think she was fake angry at me

[Sigmund]

i am—and i honestly hate to harp on this, much less bring it up, but it's true—objectively playing to my town meta in an incredibly strong way

this is true

[Sigmund]

did you think she was fake angry at me

In 992? I think she was real angry, but it's not out of the question for her to be real angry there as scum.

have you ever seen her get angry as scum?

[Sigmund]

that's an honest question I don't know the answer to it but I haven't seen it so if someone could should me a game where NSG scum gets mad and yells at people I'd love to see it.

[Sigmund]

that should read if someone could show me a game that NSG as scum got angry and snapped at someone for voting her. I would consider a world in which she is scum.

But as it stands now I think she is outside her scumrange

[Sigmund]

no but like I said I can't recall having played much with her. I don't remember her getting angry as town either.

I don't want to townread anger because that usually leads to games getting toxic and painful to play when people start getting pissed to get townread.
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However I don't think she does that and I can't remember her doing that in the past.

[Sigmund]

Honestly I was kind of hoping to put him at lock town on the rep out so he would draw a nightkill if it was a universally accepted fact that he was locktown but now there's a mason claim so that plan is kind of shot.

I don't think he gets that angry as scum being accused, tho like I haven't seen him rep out in anger over 40 hours ever either.

[Sigmund]

also, for the record, this is part of why i find it unbelievable that moon thinks that i'm scum. i know that from an outside perspective this might just seem self-serving, or just a product of my being angry, but being as objective as i possibly can, it still makes little sense. moongrass' most recent example of my being scum is

team mafia 2020 white flag

. anyone with

any

familiarity with that game would

never

confuse my play here for my play there. it's just not possible.

this reads town af.

do you think moon is fake claiming mason here?

thats kind of a later problem not a day 1 problem isn't it?

[Sigmund]

why do you want to kill VFP?

[Sigmund]

why not sang froid?

[Sigmund]

ok sure

VOTE: VFP

[Sigmund]

9 hours, 18 minutes.

I will be online before deadline to move vote if we need it

[Sigmund]

I will be sheeping NSG

I think probably both neighbors are town cuz VFP wanted them dead.

I'm down for yeeting either SS or Ico

[Sigmund]

Andresvmb [4]: Iconeum, VFP, Moongrass, sang froid
VFP [3]: Andresvmb, northsidegal, Sigmund
northsidegal [1]: UneveN

not voting [1]: Something_Smart

I think Uneven and SS take the hammer in this game state?

like are scum really that cowardly these days that they won't make a move?

Think we probably just win with an ICo Yeeeeeeet.

[Sigmund]

I think scum are more invested in being around for EoD?

your pick I believe in you

[Sigmund]

I think VFP made a decent try to kill SS on D1.

[Sigmund]

I'm down with just yeeting Ico unless he claims mason

[Sigmund]

i'd be surprised if we had anything useful mechanically outside the masons unless we have a tracker and the mafia have a ninja

[Sigmund]

Perhaps you don't fully understand what's going on. (Which, I guess, is understandable, considering you don't know everything that I know.)

Nobody pulls this line off better than SS

[Sigmund]

alright so if Ico doesn't claim mason we yeet him

and if Ico does claim mason we wait for the counter claim and then yeet him

We Gucci

[Sigmund]

im down for hammering

[Sigmund]

VOTE: Ico

actually NSG can hammer since she is THE BEST

[Sigmund]

yea i don't know how to count but NSG hammered that in spirit because she is the best

[Sigmund]

Sorry for being a dick.

I don't know why i reacted so strongly here. Maybe i had a bad day.

sorry for trolling you :<

[Sigmund]

GG

Thanks for modding Datisi

[Sigmund]

Sorry if I was overly harsh or aggressive @Sigmund

same ! >.>

[Sigmund]

also, i missed most of a tv quiz episode i always watch at this time of week in order to do the endgame for y'all, i hope you appreciate the sacrifices i make for this >_>

you are the best mod datisi