Mini 2231: Radio Buzz | Game Over!

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Heya all :)

VOTE: house

This setup looks super cool!!! Its basically an intro to mafia for those newbie stumps, i hope they have fun

@tweetie regular vla on fridays and Saturdays
This week also gonna be vla thurs-sun, but back to normal after that

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Hmmm? No it sounds like they're just 'off' the island flavor wise but are experiencing everything as we do?

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Oh yeah i noticed that and actually checked recent numbers, i'm assuming its eithef a typo of some sort or flavor relevant, idk what it means

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Rousseau feel free to not answer but have i played with you?

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Kk that's what i thought, just checking
Shiki also?

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Yes! Are u?

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I'm liking rousseau so far

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P sure Locke already scumslipped. I'm town and my pm doesnt mention the word malefactors at all. Assuming that's scum's flavor name at least.

Uh i actually think this post comes from scum more often than not, esp. if malefactors are actually scum's flavor

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I mean its certainly not in my role pm and the word didnt stand out to eme when i read the flavor

I think its significantly more likey that scum (who know that's their name) would notice that in the flavor

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VOTE: ssbm

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Ydra maybe town?
Plz no lolhammering tho

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Oh, *please* explain that

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Also getting townpings from gamma, forgot to say that

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Oh, *please* explain that

You didn't answer my question, ceph and pooky did

Oh i misswd it was at me, thought it was at pooky and ceph

- dont think its particularly likely for scum to point it out, the key thing is that i think its significantly more likely for scum to even notice that in the first place
- why is it vote-worthy for me to have not responded

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You think that I with a red PM know that the word malefactors is not in the green PMs?

there's a sample pm? but also eh

Hmm that's actually townslippy

Infinity sre u talking abt rousseau or ssbm here?

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@infinity why do you think that was town-slip-y

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Vote-worthy because scum would look to pounce on me for this if they actually are malefactors. At first I was thinking this pointed to Pooky, as he was the second one to it (it will look scummy to have started this push if I ever flip), so sheeping it is something scum would want to do I think. I also think though that it's scummy as the person that started the push to not respond to the question, and I didnt want my vote on Rousseau anymore, as I'm TRing her a bit now.

I just think it's weird to read that one of the callers is scum and then not go back and analyze the callers' posts. I came into the game expecting from the description there would be anonymous messages that were sometimes pro-scum, sometimes pro-town. This is different so after I caught up I went back and read the caller messages again, to see if there was any hidden message for scum because immediately the scum caller reminds me of a traitor. I was expecting them to try to signal scum in some way, so I was specifically rereading for crumbs when I noticed it.

- i dont know if scum would call out your post there - i dont know id they *want* to call attention to the fact that they know scum flavor
- i dont understand the poooky bit: does scum sheep my push or not?
- if it will look scummy to make this push if you flip, why do I start it as scum?
- i missed the question, like i said. I dislike that you seen to be implying that i skipped answering on purpose
- i think the callers (esp. What they've posted thus far) are basically distraction, i dont think they're important to analyze much at all tbh. Even if we figure out which of them is scum just now, there's no player-relevant info in the messages yet, so there's not much we can actually do with it at this time
- ig reading it looking for a traitor could make sense but i'm still rather suspicious that you keyed in on the word 'malefactor', as i think it would stand out to scum more.

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Oh, *please* explain that

VOTE: Skitter

I was gonna vote Ydrasse since I don't believe in town slips but this was a weirdly sensitive response to a single vote.

Her vote on me seemed omgus-y and reactionary, and i dont think she has a good reason for it

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i mean malefactor is just a word, why would you think that's the scum role from reading that?

i have a town role pm and i didnt get that thought at all when i read the dialogue in the beginning

I thought the scum team didnt know the scum caller and wanted to check for traitor crumbs in the radio messages

Also why would your first instinct in the game be to look for traitors in the messages as town? That also sounds like its coming from a scum mindset to me

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I'm kinda assuming this game's inspiration is silent star iv?

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ok

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Gi back to ssbm?

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VOTE: skitter i think her thought process here seems much more geared towards finding someone to push than sorting ssbm

normally she's very sensitive to looking for limbait, here she doesn't really consider that scenario or really look into ssbm's mindset with much depth

i mean i believe that i found scum so i'm pushing her, yes
i'm not really sure why you think i ought to be viewing ssbm as flipbait? that's not how i view her and i'm not sure why that's relevant to the situation

i do think i'm looking at her mindset, and i'm having a hard time seeing how it's coming from town, and i think it's extraordinary likely that it comes from scum. i understand that you think it was a townslip but i strongly disagree and i don't think that's how town approach those opening posts at all

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i think ceph is probably townie
i'm not sure i like tetrina's entrance (sort of newbscum-ish to comment on things that aren't super relevant), but if she hasn't played a lot of forum mafia i can see it coming from town too, so kinda meh on it overall
infinity i'm not getting good vibes from thus far

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Ah
Well generally I don’t feel like the numbers town has offer that big an advantage when scum have the information advantage

Idk it feels like 10 town and 4 scums would be more fair, but I'l trust that the game was reviewed or something

this if anything seems like a townslip tbh

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on reflection i think tetrina's probably +town - i'm not sure scum make that big bolded post 'does resistance mean town?' like that

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@tetrina i haven't played a load of irl mafia, but on a forum, a lot of the tells are more around looking for people who have sketchy looking votes, for people who aren't trying to solve, for people who are just 'hanging around' without trying to advance a town wincon, people who take votes or stances oppurtunistically

everything is on the forum and we can go back to see what people were thinking earlier. if someone's thoughts doesn't make much sense holistically that can also be a scum indicator

but welcome and lmk if you have any questions about playing!

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@ceph do you have thoughts on ssbm or infinity?

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How so? It’s just balance talk, not saying she thinks that’s actually the case

oh good point i misread that, i thought they said scum might *have* 4 players and she'd know that wasn't the case if town, so i retract this point
even so on balance i'm leaning town-ish on them

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also

@tweetie

the flavor is lovely and i love how pretty the opening posts are!

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Thanks Having the evidence never go away is cool actually, like you can't lie about how you voted before which can happen irl when scum says they voted for another scum day 1 but no one remembers (and ofc they didn't)

yes exactly! and if someoen said 'oh i'm voting player X because theyr'e sketchy' and later says 'i'm townreading X' they better be able to explain that read

if they can't provide a satisfactory one, they might be scum
(this is what i mean by having a 'sketchy' thought process or trajectory)

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house did you read the rest of tetrina's posting?

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- Scum dont have to push me "because she knows the scum are malefactors", that would give away that they know the flavor when I have only speculated at it. All they have to do is push me for talking about it, or faking a townslip
- I thought, when I saw your push, that scum would sheep it. That's why I asked all 3 of you about why scum would post that, because town will sheep too. I wanted to coax a little bit out of you 3, especially Pooky, because he was just like "good point"
- If you start it but dont end it, and arent too involved, it could easily be forgotten that you started it later on. That could explain why you didnt vote with your push, or why you didnt answer my question in your next post, if that was intentional.
- if you're scum, I do think you skipped answering on purpose, but there's no way to prove it so I'm not really bringing it up anymore
- I think the discussion around the callers has been worthwhile. Whether the current caller messages themselves are significant, I dont know. But I do think the thread's kicked off regardless of how important the messages are at this point.
- I spotted it the second time through when I was actively looking for something. Up to you whether you believe that.

- sorry i'm not really getting the first point you're making, that's basically what i'm pushing you for
- ok fair enough
- oh i am absolutely owning this push, i am in no way abdicating responsibility for it
- i did not skip on answering on purpose, i missed it, but yeah we can drop this
- i think the discussion about the callers is useful (i.e. it kicked off this whole convo with you) but inherently i don't think that much of what they said is important thus far
- right, my point is that *the first time* you read through the messages i believe you were approaching it with a scum mindset, that's sort of my whole point. i don't think that's something town would comment on, but i think it's something that would stick out to scum

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Because I didnt read the setup correctly and thought the 1 caller that knows the identity of scum was not known by scum, like a traitor. I feel like in that situation the caller would want to signal scum so I wanted to look for that signal.

eh ok, i guess that could make some amount of sense and is semi-plausible. and that's what you were thinking the first time you read the messages?

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i'm not really sure why you think i ought to be viewing ssbm as flipbait? that's not how i view her and i'm not sure why that's relevant to the situation

to me, it doesn't seem like you considered whether ssbm could be limbait, or really anything about her mindset. if you did, i think you were uncharacteristically quick to jump to a conclusion based on shallow reasoning. i sort of understand where you're getting the idea that it's likely that ssbm approaches the "malefactors" thing this way as scum, but i have no idea where you get the idea that it's unlikely for her to approach it this way as scum. i felt her explanation was pretty robust and would've at least taken some doing to replicate and scum, and i actually feel like you recognized that too, but you brushed it aside because it didn't fit with your narrative.

ok, i still don't get why you think i should be viewing her as limbait? can you spell out how/why you think i should have been having that thought in this context?

i do think i was considering her mindset - i feel like the way she approached it comes from scum much more often than it does come from town. i'm not really getting what conclusiosn you think i ought to have been drawing here instead?
like my whole point is that i don't think town has the thoughts she had about the caller messages. i don't think town particularly notices the word malefactor (and i'm basing this off the fact that i know i didn't until she pointed it out). but scum, who are flavored this way, would.

i don't really get why you think her approach was townie tbh

and wrt the traitor thing - i'm double-checking the timeline because i'm not sure if that's what she thought the first time she read the messages or the second (i.e. after i called her out on it), because that's relevant to how i view understand the situation

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i also think you should know that omgus/reactionary behavior isn't actually scummy, and i see nothing in your reasoning that makes you think this is a special case.

i don't think she truly scumreads my push on her (as i still dont' think i got a satisfactory explanation for why she's voting me rn) so her vote on me seems somewhat fake to me

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- ig reading it looking for a traitor could make sense but i'm still rather suspicious that you keyed in on the word 'malefactor', as i think it would stand out to scum more.

this part feels like "you're towny but i want to push you anyway" in scumspeak

no

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infinity i'm not getting good vibes from thus far

oh this is gonna be fun :)

elaborate?

a large part of your current content is defending someone i'm scumreading + i'm not getting townie vibes off of you yet (and i feel like in other games that usually happens p early)

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@infinity

you're kind of collapsing what i'm saying into 'i don't understand it could come from scum so therefore scum' which i feel is inaccurate at best.

ssbm is assuming that the flavor name is malefactor, and calling out lock's post as therefore coming from scum because it has that word.
i'm saying that *i don't think town would be attuned to that word* in the first place.

i don't know if malefactor is the flavor name, but i'm saying that in the universe it is, i don't think town comes into this game with the associative that 'malefactor' -> scum. i.e. i don't think they would get to the conclusion that using the word 'malefactor' would be a slip because they have no reason to think that that word has anything to do with scum at all. if that is, indeed, scum's flavor name, scum would have that subconscious associative by virtue of reading their role pm.

i don't think it's a natural thought to think that someone slipped there just by virtue of the fact that they used that word. ssbm thinks it was a slip - that means she thinks that a scum-aligned caller used that phrase

i'm also dubious that traitor was her first, real thought upon reading that message, for a few reasons:
- why is looking for a traitor in the npc messages the first thing that town does upon entering the game? there was some amount of content at that point iirc, no? and i'm not sure why it's more likely for town to be looking for traitors than scum, if anything that seems like a scum activity to me? like if she thought that it was a traitor, which alignment is more likely to start her game off trying to identify the traitor? i would imagine that's a lot mroe likely to come from scum than town.
- she initially called out locke's post as a *slip*. later, she's explaining this thought as looking for traitor crumbs - a crumb is a purposeful message a traitor would make to try to signal to the scumteam, right? that's not a slip, that's like the opposite of a slip? i'm not sure the traitor story really makes sense, so i'm somewhat dubious that it's something she thought up after the fact to explain her actions

i also think that early game this is *exactly* something that i can use to push to get the game moving
for like p2 i think this is more than enough content to start a push tbh
don't really get why you think i'd be gently questioning over pushing there, or why you think town-me picks the former over the latter

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@infinity:
i started off this whole thing by saying it was primarily sus in that universe, yes. i agree that if malefactors aren't scum it isn't suspicious.

and for my first point i don't think 107 adequately explains why her first thought upon learning that scum were amongst the callers was to go looking for traitors. i don't think that's town's natural instict there much at all, but i think scum would do that. like of the two alignments, which is more likely to care about traitors?

your'e saying that town *could* have those thought processes, and i agree. what i'm saying is that of the two alignments, i think these thoguhts are *more likely* to come from scum than town. you're kinda sidestepping that point by saying that i ought to recognize it *could* come from town - i do, but i don't understand why it comes from town *more often* than it comes from scum, which si the bit i need to negate the reasons i'm scumreading her for this whole thing.

i'm definitely not looking for a flip right now, but i'm not particularly opposed to a wagon happening, that's how the game kinda happens and gets moving? i usually try to find something i can use to kick things off and then see what develops from there (i can provide numerous examples if you like). i'm not really sure why you think this means i'm looking for a flip on ssbm just now tho

and ok, sure. why do you think i would be townreading you here as town? what parts of your play ought i recognize as town-you?

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fwiw i think that house popping in to call tetrina scummy for her entrance is Not a Good Look, especially since her later posting somewhat belies the initial impression he formed

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fwiw on my end i feel like i'm going in circles
i am not convinced infinity is town tho

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VOTE: skitter30

sigh, ok why

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and ok, sure. why do you think i would be townreading you here as town? what parts of your play ought i recognize as town-you?

infinity if you want to just answer this bit, i'm not sure the rest of it is really going to go anywhere

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and ok, sure. why do you think i would be townreading you here as town? what parts of your play ought i recognize as town-you?

infinity if you want to just answer this bit, i'm not sure the rest of it is really going to go anywhere

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i think you're asking why i didn't call out your vote?
i'm kinda dubious of dg's readlist overall and of her timing on this wagon

your vote was kidna 'meh i'm sheeping infinity' which isn't *good* per se but i think it probably comes from town so didn't concern me as much

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*probably comes from town-you to clarify

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ugh i can't not respond >.>

to me the whole thought process of "i didn't know there was scum in the NPCs" is very level 0 towny

literally either alignment could fail to realize this tho >.>
this is why i dont' get why you're ascribing town intent here, she could just as easily be scum who didn't realize this ...

i thought that it was pretty obviously not the first thing that scum would think of when trying to get into a town mindset.

but my point is that i'm not sure that she *was* replicating a town mindset so much as those were her true (scummy) thoughts

at this point what i have the most problem with is the "omgus and reactionary" comment, which you later explained that it was the way in which she was omgus/reactionary that you had a problem with (correct me if i'm misinterpreting). if you had said that to begin with, i'd feel much better about it.

i'm not 100% sure what you're referring to here but yeah basically my issue was that she was voting me (i.e. implying she had a reason to scumread me) but as best as i could tell when i prodded a bit it didn't look like she really had any reason to, so it looked like more of a retaliatory vote than because she actually scumread my push

i don't think there's anything in particular that you should be townreading me for here, except perhaps for the fact that i'm pushing you right out of the gate, but you tend to be quite good at recognizing town!me

i'm somewhat baffled that you think i ought to be townreading you but also can't really point to anything that i ought to be townreading you for ...

also this might be a weird thing to say but i think this is a weaker/hollower pushback than i would sort of expect from town-you tbh

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for skitter i don't think she would have this wim as scum after getting it and getting kicked around like a soccer ball a few times over

ydrasse you were in perpetual melo? i used this exact argument to townread her there and she was scum.

idk if my opinion here, like, matters but i would p unhappy rn if i had rolled scum after tarot + that mini normal
plz take this with a grain of salt obvs

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Because I didnt read the setup correctly and thought the 1 caller that knows the identity of scum was not known by scum, like a traitor. I feel like in that situation the caller would want to signal scum so I wanted to look for that signal.

eh ok, i guess that could make some amount of sense and is semi-plausible. and that's what you were thinking the first time you read the messages?

I was surprised they were actual people rather than mod-controlled anonymous messages. I just sort of read them and didnt think that much of them except that it was interesting that one was named Locke when we have Rousseau in the game. I thought the font thing tweetie did to show the static was cool, and after I saw the pronouns listed I scrolled back up to try to commit the pronouns to the avatars/usernames.

That's all I can remember thinking when reading it the first time

ok
so upon learning that there were scum in the messages you went back to see if you can identify one, is that right?
what was your thoguht process the second tiem around, if you don't mind?

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that isn't how it work for me but i'm not sure this is a like reliable source etc

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house did you read the rest of tetrina's posting?

Mostly skimming through the first 10 pages.

ok fair enuf, can you take a look at the rest of her content and lmk what you think when you have a chance plz?

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as far as the read on me goes, we can start with: why do you think i'm picking a fight with you right off the bat?

i don't think you should be townreading me necessarily, but i did say i thought it was likely you'd be townreading me as town here. i don't really think specific towny things i did are necessary for that because the things others townread me for are usually not the things i think are towny anyway.

my intial thought was partners with ssbm and that you were like casually defending her and didn't expect this to spiral into as much of a Thing as it did
i've been kinda mulling it over and i'm not sure that i still like that theory tho
your defense feels kinda weird but i actually feel like it's in more of a white-knight kinda way? idk something about it doesn't feel really sincere to me
i'm still kinda thinking this through rn tho

i mostly think if you're scum you weren't expecting this to become a big fight tho

maybe i do townread you in a vaccuum but this whole thing is somewhat getting in the way and now my read is sort of colored by this 'weird defense of ssbm' thing so i don't really townread you rn

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eh i have thoguhts on the difference between perpetual elo and say tarot/the mini normal but i'm nto sure how much i want to go into that tbh

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ehhhhhhhhh i don't think i show my true emotions as scum for the most part

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anyway i have a townread on ydrasse now, yay

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yay

!!!!!

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uh i may have some issues with that approach?

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i have a strong scumgame

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nah :)

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i may be too scared of skitt and just trying to shut down any reason to tr her that i don't like

. for perspective, i'm probably not going to tr her this early almost no matter what.

uh so yeah i do find this to be somewhat problematic/troubling even after perpetual elo, just saying

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lol locke is scummy

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@skitt sure, i'll try to stop myself if i notice myself doing that again.

if you think i wouldn't feel that way as town, i'm not sure what to tell you. that game kinda tore my soul out.

that was a game >.>
and i can understand you being super wary
maybe this is something to be talked about in post i guess

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is it because

- dislike that he's saying we're doing a bad job while saying he doesn't really know where scum is either
- tetra is a *very* easy place to slap a scumread
- 'you all keep working. we're here to help' feels very off. (actually i think this bit is the part htat pings me the most)

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Well I thought it was a scum caller that knew the scumteam, but was unknown to them, like a traitor, so I looked for anything to indicate that one of the callers was somehow informed or was trying to signal the scumteam. "3 malefactors" stood out because there are 3 scum, and I thought "hmm, I dont think I saw the name of the Mafia in my PM. The mafia would know the name of their faction though and maybe this is the signal. I also thought the helicopter could be scummy just because it indicated an action that may be coming up soon, but I thought malefactors was more plausibly the scummy message

Ok thanks
I'm not fully satisfied that this comes from town but i think this is probably all i'm going to get out of this interaction for now so i'm gonna
VOTE: dgb

Kinda need to take a step back if i'm tunneling and seeing what you do now will be helpful i think

I'm also still not getting good vibes from infinity but i think i'm a bit too involved to feel like i have a confident scumread rn so i want to sleep on it

@ rouseau i'm sorry but i dont understand the post you wrote back to me, can you reword it

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for skitter i don't think she would have this wim as scum after getting it and getting kicked around like a soccer ball a few times over

This doesn't only apply to skitter. For some people, defeat is nothing but a challenge.

Why do you think this doesnt apply to me
As far as i know you've never been in a scumgame of mine

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Why r u voting me

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- i actually missed 382 (waking up >.>), my bad
- not salty but the vote looked somewhat sketchy and i think there's probably scum on my wagon
- 'lulzy p12 e2' kinda makes it as bad as it looks
- ceph is one of my strongest townreads, dont like that you're voting there

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Werent we promised 5 callers? Moncarch's is the sixth so i assumed it was flavor

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I'll be around much later tonight

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ok i'm like 10 pages behind and i have an hour, lets see what i can do

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just like a few assorted thoughts:
- rousseau i feel like you're inordinately focused on the callers, like more focused on them than the players of the 'main' game. why are is so much of your focus on them?
- infinity feels somewhat hollow. and a lot of her conversation seems pedantic/shallow/nitpicky. not sure what the right words are exactly
- dont' really get the ceph scumreads (from dgb, gamma, galron)
- @ssbm why are you townreading me?

i felt like her townread on skitt was good and especially that she expected me to put weight into it. that's a towny bias

i thought you didn't like the townread last night?

- i'm not really sure i get the galron wagon? like i'm not sure they're a shining beacon of towniness but i also don't really scumread them

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I wonder if this threw Galron off because Galron is partnered with Infinity, and he didnt understand why he was being called a town partner with her, rather than a scum partner

VOTE: Galron

a) dislike this reasoning, i also thought gamma had written 'town partners'
b) don't want galron to be on e2

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I'm getting ready to leave the office, so giving some reads in case I get hammered on the way home. Scum!Gamma doesn't post 584 & 585, especially 585 I think. I also think scum!Gamma doesn't top post unless his scum game has changed since last time I scummed with him maybe 8-10 months ago.

Sticking by Infinity town read. Skitter probably town. Rousseau probably town. DGB probably town. Roden null scum. Pooky looks like town game, but dunno bc it's pooky. Kyouko very unsure about. Ydrasse dunno. Tetrina town lean. Cephrir scum lean. House dunno. I think Blade Dancer is Titus. If not, I dunno.

town imo ^

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but even there like there was a moment

where skitter was doing the thing where she helps me communicate

which i really appreciate and is one of the reasons i enjoy playing with her so much but i know she does it as both alignments so i can't say i feel sure of that

your welcome!
but i also don't know what you're talking abt in the bolded >.>

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VOTE: ceph

galron's takes are pretty ok, skitt isn't really going anywhere but i agreed with galron? i think? when he said that ceph's posts towards tetrina felt a bit forced, to me if felt like he was trying to twist her newbie-indicative posts into something scummy. could be a playstyle thing

icky vote :/

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- rousseau i feel like you're inordinately focused on the callers, like more focused on them than the players of the 'main' game. why are is so much of your focus on them?

feels important to me/captures my attention

ok why more than like all the other things that are happening in this game. kinda feels to me like sorting the 'main' game is more important than sorting the callers; i feel like they're mostly a distraction

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rousseau i feel like you're inordinately focused on the callers, like more focused on them than the players of the 'main' game. why are is so much of your focus on them?

Scum often find relief in engaging with lower-stress, non-game related content.

yes that's where i'm ultimately going with this

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will amend 677 to

~reasons

if you would like

but it kinda feels like that's what both of you were looking for anyway

well ok
ig yeah ultimately where i was going is what dgb said - i imagine ti's a lot easier for scum to 'solve' the callers than to solve the 'real' game, so people who focus on the callers and not the game is soemwhat scummy to me
and i guess for you especially because as of liek this morning you had little 'main game' solving (although it looks like you have more in the pages i just read)
so like i guess it makes me a little nervous taht you're scum finding an easy, but largely meaningless, way of interacting with the game

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The way you insisted when pushing me reminded me of myself when I get tunneled as town. I could feel the determination in your posts, and I recognized that when I answered your questions, you would feel begrudgingly satisfied with the answer, but then you would find something else and push me on that (because you're tunneled town). Eventually you seemed satisfied with everything, but I get the feeling you're not going to TR me fully at all this game, or if you do, it will be volatile because you'll be hanging on to a nagging suspicion about me.

If you're not sure of the Galron wagon and don't like the cephrir one, are you SRing anyone besides Infinity atm?

ok yeah this is fair
(uh sorry for the tunnel if you're town >.>)
i am feeling somewhat better abt you know than i did last night tbh

~

this is where i'm at:

1. Ydrasse - town
2. Galron - town?
3. DrippingGoofball - scum? not a strong read tho, i can see it being town too i suppose
4. Tetrina -town
5. skitter30 - shining beacon of towniness
6. Gamma Emerald - town? but very weak/shaky read
7. ssbm_Kyouko - nulltown maybe? not sure
8. Roden - null, no thoughts
9. Infinity 324 - scummyish
10. Cephrir - town?
11. House - scummy? dislike the tetrina vote
12. rousseau - i'm not sure rn. i dont' feel as townie on her as i know a lot of people are
13. PookyTheMagicalBear - hard null and i find that somewhat worrying

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- rousseau i feel like you're inordinately focused on the callers, like more focused on them than the players of the 'main' game. why are is so much of your focus on them?

she’s like, clearly not? How much have you read

yes she is? or at least her content yesterday (irl) was mostly about that

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i find it more likely the scum are avoiding doing so due to knowing who the mafia caller is but anyway

oh good point, i forgot abt that

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i mean i still dont' get why you think i shouldnt' be scumreading you so
and if i wasn't trying to sort you i would have just voteparked you presumably

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infinity i still feel like it's some sort of double standard where you expect me to townread you but can't really describe what bits i'm supposed to be townreading

also i'm not liking ceph's posts just here that much

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skitter tetrina infy cephrir

y infinity

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i don't have aproblem with the pbpa, i can understand the thought process that led him to rereading her iso there

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i'm not 100% convinced by 801 but i think it's +++++town for ssbm

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have you ever played with town kyouko.

once I did and she wrote so much I stopped reading the game because every other post was a 10 mile high wall she made

yes and she misflipped me

VOTE: skitter for some reason the fact that skitter decided to make such an obvious statement really pinged me and suddenly i want to kill her again

>.>

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i'm not townreading the wall per se so much as she's demonstrating she's had a consistent thought process throughout the last like 15 pages that has motivated most of her posting
don't think this whole elaborate 'trap' is a thing that scum do tbh

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yes and she misflipped me

lol

did she write so much that you just gave up on responding?

no she thought i was buddying her or something idk and i didn't have so much time to play that week

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yes >.>

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13. PookyTheMagicalBear - hard null and i find that somewhat worrying

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VOTE: infinity

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skitter is scummmm

i literally don't get what you're scumreading me for at this point

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@pooky did you see 841

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I see I see

so yeah i haven't gotten much ai from you so far and the lack of that is kinda worrisome
are you like not in a mafia mood today

pedit of course it can

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hmmmmm ok
i'm filing you into the 'sort later' bin then

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is it problematic for you that one townread of your is scumreading another towneread of yours on the basis that they're partners with you
and once again i think your scumread on me is baseless

@infinity

pedit so close!

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also again

vla tomorrow until sunday with limited access

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i mean my issue is more that you basically had no reaction to that wall where townread A is calling townread B scum with you

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i mean my issue is more that you basically had no reaction to that wall where townread A is calling townread B scum with you

What reaction was she supposed to have?

i mean if i saw townread A calling townread B scum with me i would probably have some sort of response, probably along the lines of explaining why B is town and/or explaining why i'm town

i wouldn't just like ignore that altogether

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Infinity and skitter: I think you're both town and wrong :P If I'm right who would be a scum taking advantage of the fight between you?

Dunno, i dont really see anybody trying go take advantage of it (i.e. no wagons are forming etc). To me this makes it look like this isnt a town vs town fight, because id it were, i imagine scum *would* be trying to do so

[skitter30]

Cool new avi pooky!

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Can someone make a pirate version of my avi? I want to join the fun

Pooky i'm not sure if i should be townreading u or scumreading u for all of this but i'm happy ur having fun!

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Can someone make a pirate version of my avi? I want to join the fun

Pooky i'm not sure if i should be townreading u or scumreading u for all of this but i'm happy ur having fun!

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/images/c/c6/ ... pirate.jpg

Yay ty!

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I still think infinity is scummy

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the longer you keep saying this the less i buy that

You've still done like nothing for me to townread u for

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I don't really townread ceph anymore. If he's scum it probably isn't with ssbm

I don't particularly like the house wagon

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As in i think he cant keep up as either alignment + the frustration in his last post felt townie to me

I'm doing good! On vacation now! I hope you're doing well too

Also can we wagon infinity again ? (@everyone)

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scum can be frustrated too

i think its usually harder for scumbags to keep up than townies.

where are you on vacation to? Hope it's somewhere nice!

Enjoy!

Right, fair point abt the frustration - that makes it utterly nai tho

And i rented an airbnb on a lake with some friends! It's very nice here!

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my name

when you said only way you think infinity is scum is with skitter, do you think their interaction was more likely theatre than the interaction between kyouko and skitter?

I mean I feel Infinity as a player is not comfortable being that assertive with skitter unless they're like scumbuddies and this ise random theatre they're doing to troll us.

I think if she were town and scumreading me, she would be trying to get me flipped. instead, she's just kinda lightly calling me scum and not really doing much abt it. There's no 'oomph' to the read, it feels like something she's clinging to to brush off my scumread of her

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Like i don't really think she's being assertive much at all

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and i am baffled by skitter retracting her townread now that i am actually townposting but okay.

Your posting is less townie than it was before

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friends

and

foe

:

gamma, kyouko,

skitter

whats the meaning of this line ?

i assume

I think if she were town and scumreading me, she would be trying to get me flipped. instead, she's just kinda lightly calling me scum and not really doing much abt it. There's no 'oomph' to the read, it feels like something she's clinging to to brush off my scumread of her

please give an example of when i've pushed anyone more than this as town, besides like in divide and conquer.

or like, what i could even be doing to get you elimmed here. i highly doubt if i just kept saying "elim skitter because gut" that that would go over too well

I dont have any examples offhabd but i feel like you usually are more proactive wrt your scumreads

Are you aiming to get me flipped today?

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it be like that but we are surviving

idk if infinity is actually this entitled to being tr as town which is where i’m going ? on my read on her

this doesn't remind you of infinity/skitter from DnC 1.0?

I think i gave up there

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and i am baffled by skitter retracting her townread now that i am actually townposting but okay.

Your posting is less townie than it was before

It's ok to be wrong sometimes

>.>

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idk if infinity is actually this entitled to being tr as town which is where i’m going ? on my read on her

you don't have to tr me i just wanna be left alone

Is this @me too

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I dont have any examples offhabd but i feel like you usually are more proactive wrt your scumreads

Are you aiming to get me flipped today?

i don't really think there's much hope of that at this point

Who is your ideal non-me flip today

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Pooky i will admit it that you/infinity has somehwat crossed my mind

Pedit feel better ydra :)

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@skitt i'm trying to find that out. most likely i'm going to try to protect my trs and join the biggest non-tr wagon. but i may do some more sorting of ceph and roden if they're here.

I think i'm actually rethinking my scumread of you >.>
I dont know who to vote tho rn

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because of skitter/lilith hydra (i think, pretty sure) day one game

phone, maybe skitter could provide

Perpetual elo?

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Spoiler:

VOTE: skitter i think her thought process here seems much more geared towards finding someone to push than sorting ssbm

normally she's very sensitive to looking for limbait, here she doesn't really consider that scenario or really look into ssbm's mindset with much depth

i'm not really sure why you think i ought to be viewing ssbm as flipbait? that's not how i view her and i'm not sure why that's relevant to the situation

to me, it doesn't seem like you considered whether ssbm could be limbait, or really anything about her mindset. if you did, i think you were uncharacteristically quick to jump to a conclusion based on shallow reasoning. i sort of understand where you're getting the idea that it's likely that ssbm approaches the "malefactors" thing this way as scum, but i have no idea where you get the idea that it's unlikely for her to approach it this way as scum. i felt her explanation was pretty robust and would've at least taken some doing to replicate and scum, and i actually feel like you recognized that too, but you brushed it aside because it didn't fit with your narrative.

- ig reading it looking for a traitor could make sense but i'm still rather suspicious that you keyed in on the word 'malefactor', as i think it would stand out to scum more.

this part feels like "you're towny but i want to push you anyway" in scumspeak

@infinity: most of the scumread came from this convo and the extended discussion:

I felt like you were applying unreasonable standards to how i ought to scumhunting, and then scumreading me for not doing that

A few different examples:
- saying i always look for the town motivation instead of pushing people, and the facg that i went straight to the latter was scummy. I, in contrast, feel like i sometimes do just start aith oushing people, especially ib early game to get the game moving
- i still dont like that yoy're saying i ought to townreas you but cant point to anything i should be townreading

Also your defense of ssbm felt white-knight-y

And even now i feel like your scumread on me is fairly weak

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because of skitter/lilith hydra (i think, pretty sure) day one game

phone, maybe skitter could provide

Perpetual elo?

nono, mm, you and lilith hydra were both mafia, you won, northsidegal mod i think

you and lilith did theatre things

Oh yeah that was a fun one

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Spoiler:

VOTE: skitter i think her thought process here seems much more geared towards finding someone to push than sorting ssbm

normally she's very sensitive to looking for limbait, here she doesn't really consider that scenario or really look into ssbm's mindset with much depth

i'm not really sure why you think i ought to be viewing ssbm as flipbait? that's not how i view her and i'm not sure why that's relevant to the situation

to me, it doesn't seem like you considered whether ssbm could be limbait, or really anything about her mindset. if you did, i think you were uncharacteristically quick to jump to a conclusion based on shallow reasoning. i sort of understand where you're getting the idea that it's likely that ssbm approaches the "malefactors" thing this way as scum, but i have no idea where you get the idea that it's unlikely for her to approach it this way as scum. i felt her explanation was pretty robust and would've at least taken some doing to replicate and scum, and i actually feel like you recognized that too, but you brushed it aside because it didn't fit with your narrative.

- ig reading it looking for a traitor could make sense but i'm still rather suspicious that you keyed in on the word 'malefactor', as i think it would stand out to scum more.

this part feels like "you're towny but i want to push you anyway" in scumspeak

@infinity: most of the scumread came from this convo and the extended discussion:

I felt like you were applying unreasonable standards to how i ought to scumhunting, and then scumreading me for not doing that

A few different examples:
- saying i always look for the town motivation instead of pushing people, and the facg that i went straight to the latter was scummy. I, in contrast, feel like i sometimes do just start aith oushing people, especially ib early game to get the game moving
- i still dont like that yoy're saying i ought to townreas you but cant point to anything i should be townreading

Also your defense of ssbm felt white-knight-y

And even now i feel like your scumread on me is fairly weak

@infinity was this going to go anywhere?

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I actually kinda think pooky is scum >.>
@infinity i will respond tomorrow night, im short on time atm and i have to go looking for past games

I'm kinda cool with the roden wagon.

Have a great weekend everyone!

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UNVOTE:

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Hai why are we still talking abt the callers? Its a distraction >.>

I'm still suspicious of pooky and infinity
But i will probably vote ss upon seeing the next vc

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I had no townvibes on roden and i dont like ss's entrance thus far + enchant seems kinda clueless in a way that doesnt seem likely to be coming from someone with access to a scum pt

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skitter I would like to provide you with this cool chart thing for reading me because you seem confused rn.

I'm a little dubious >.>

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(3) enchant: gamma emerald (1575), infinity 324 (1576), galron (1584)
(3) something smart: ssbm kyouko (1391), tetrina (1400), cephrir (1401)

Ty
I kinda like the formation of the ss wagon more tho

VOTE: ss

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Excellent pagetop.

Skitter, you don't like my entrance as in you find nothing to like about it? Or you actively think it's scummy?

Dislike the focus on the callers, i think they're a distraction and that it's easier for scum to talk abt them than the actual players in the game

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i meant that this was the situation when there were also already four votes on roden (something smart) and no other wagons

Ok. I'm not sure that all of those examples imply that those people were planning on voting there tho

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The callers basically have their own mafia minigame. Seems like tweetie is using this to introduce them to forum mafia

I still think they're a distraction for us tho, we dont really get anything out of solving it

UNVOTE:
My vote is on ss in spirit

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skitter you're back to scumreading me again? lol

I'm not sure it ever really left

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this is not how skitt sorts someone she has a lot of experience with

a lot of people put some amount of focus on the callers. skitt isn't pushing shiki who started this whole thing so it's pretty ?

is pooky scum for the same reason or do you actually have something there

I think its scummy for everyone honestly, yeah
Pooky i am also getting suspicious vibes from

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both enchant and something smart focused on the callers upon replacing in because i asked them to,

also they both replace in, say not going to read whole game, and we know that if mafia one of the things they know about the game is which caller is the mafia caller, so i really do not understand how that's like, a bad thing for them to talk about? even if you think the callers are a distraction (though something smart did not really talk about, like, the alignments of the callers or anything that would be helpful towards knowing if informed, so, hm)

also also i kinda feel like there is a narrative to you/drippinggoofball saying this because i am partially focused on the callers and we previously discussed and i really do not think it is likely you would feel i am not town here

There's like pages ans pages ans pages of content around the callers. It doesnt sound like we're ever going yo know their alignment definitively, so what are we going to get by discussing their alignment? Like even if scum interacts weirdly arounf the scum one, how are we ever going to know which is the scum one?

Like even if we identify the scum one .... so what? What do we do with that info that is better or different than just finding scum in the main game. And scum are incentivized to talk about that because its easier to fake scumhunt around people they cant flip. I imaine scum would rather talk about the the callers than real people in the game

Tje The whole thing seems to me like a way for tweetie ti have her friends to play a 'lite' game of forum mafia (which is a great idea!) but i dont get how it helps me, as town, solve the game

And yes you asked them both to read the callers but if i'm town and rep in with three days to deadline, i wajt to get some sort of handle on the main game to figure out who to flip, even just be reading an iso or the development of the leading wagon

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Dislike the focus on the callers, i think they're a distraction and that it's easier for scum to talk abt them than the actual players in the game

both enchant and something smart focused on the callers upon replacing in because i asked them to,

also they both replace in, say not going to read whole game, and we know that if mafia one of the things they know about the game is which caller is the mafia caller, so i really do not understand how that's like, a bad thing for them to talk about? even if you think the callers are a distraction (though something smart did not really talk about, like, the alignments of the callers or anything that would be helpful towards knowing if informed, so, hm)

also also i kinda feel like there is a narrative to you/drippinggoofball saying this because i am partially focused on the callers and we previously discussed and i really do not think it is likely you would feel i am not town here

Ok. I'm not sure that all of those examples imply that those people were planning on voting there tho

they all imply the willingness or consideration of voting there, like as soon as you unvoted my first thought was, hm, probably going to end up on enchant, and if ydrasse is town and something smart is mafia the mafia would have to think it was quite possible she would vote there due to previous statements about roden, and pooky had just unvoted roden at my request, and ssbm kyouko seemed to be pressuring infinity to vote roden, and yet noone tried to provide another option unless you think that's what galron was doing? and outside of tetrina when questioned, everyone just kinda sure why not about wagon, even while kinda hardpushing it in the case of ssbm kyouko, right? so what was mafia doing if something smart is mafia? and if you think mafia not doing anything because inactive, then enchant has to be most likely partner? but when wagon is on enchant there's opposition, none of which really seems to come from a place of 'enchant is likely town to me'

like drippinggoofball was on house wagon after i sort of paused it due to wanting more time, kyouko voted drippinggoofball, tetrina and drippinggoofball then crossvoted (both leaving the house wagon), then a bit later kyouko unvoted while talking about galron, but was actually unvoting drippinggoofball as galron pointed out, then kyouko started roden wagon everyone was sure why not about, with like 'gamma right about active posters being towny' thrown in there somewhere, despite her presentation of the votes on house as a negative thing/being the first vote onto multiple non-house players at time of wagon

and you said you thought house's exit was towny before revising to nai, and now that enchant feels clueless in a 'not having a scum pt' way? and both of these seem kinda ... to me

(but also i do know that you strongly advocate against wagons you disagree with as town, so)

and like, i would not be thrilled about enchant wagon in a vacuum like my thought from their play isn't like, 'this is definitely mafia' or anything

but it feels so much more like a wagon on a scums to me

I'm quoting this to respond to when i get home later ^

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Oh wow that slot really do be having no content.

Does that make them scum? If so, ehy?

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I think its scummy for everyone honestly, yeah

Can you respond to 1704?

Like yeah I can see that if someone consistently focuses on the callers and avoids the players that can be scummy. But I was specifically directed to look at them, and they're a special mechanic of the game, so why wouldn't I try to understand them?

I think 1714 largely addresses that point, but lmk if i missed something

I owe a few things ro a few people, i'll be getting home this evening and will be able to answer more thorougjlh then

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Does that make them scum? If so, ehy?

No? Why would it?

I was just hoping to get some kind of read on them.

Ok it read to me like you were building up to pushing them for lack of content, but i wasnf sure, so i asked

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I think 1714 largely addresses that point, but lmk if i missed something

1714 talks about trying to read the callers, and I'm in agreement with you that that's a bad idea. It doesn't cover trying to understand the mechanic as a new replacement, which is why I think it's really weird that you're lumping me in with the other people who were trying to sort them. (More than just lumping me in, you actually called me out for it!)

My point is not inherently 'new replacements shouldnt be trying to understand the mechanics' but morw that talking abt the callers (sorting, mechanics, etc) over people on this game seema scummy to me. In my mind i'm not really making a big distinction between sorting and mechanics, in my mind they all fall under the same category of 'talking abt callers and not people in this game'

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idk when skitt will have more time for this game but it would be nice to see her post when that happens

I'm getting home from my vacation tonight, so then

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in my experience when there's 2 leading wagons and neither of the 2 have any solid/real read on the other wagon its probly just S/S

They both just repped in, i dont feel like this is a great tell in tjis case

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how about

shiki

What do you see there? What's scum!rousseau's motivation for not mis-characterizing posts, engaging with everyone, not cherry-picking, etc. Unless this is a long con, I don't see mafia there.

i don't believe shiki is scum

in case i wasn't clear enough:

skitter scumreads ss for focusing on the callers

skitter scumreads pooky for focusing on the callers

why doesn't she scumread shiki for focusing on the callers because she's focusing on the callers more than anyone? and she was the whole reason those people were focusing on the callers to begin with?

Uh i did call out shiki for this? Not sure what your issue is with this tbh

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I'm not really sure where this dueling svs wagon notion is coming from, i would actually be p surprised if that was the case. This doesnt feel like svs to me. I wouldnt be surprised if they were tvt tbh

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i don't remember you scumreading her? if you are then that's fine

still don't think it makes sense to scumread pooky/ss for doing caller stuff when shiki specifically asked them to

I'm not actively scumreading her but i did make the exact same point against her at least once, i think twice, that she could be focusing on the callers as a way to sidestep solving the main game

Thw thing with her is that her slot has +townie points to it as well, but i domt see that for the other slots, so that point weighs morw hwavily on both of them, if that makes senss

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skitter who do you want to eliminate today?

I dont know right now, but leaning towards infinity or ss

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well the thought crossed my mind but I don't feel confident enough in Infy-scum to be like YEA LETS KILL HER

kinda still feel the way she was feisty is kinda town indicative

Waif when were you thinking infinity-scum?

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skitter who do you want to eliminate today?

I dont know right now, but leaning towards infinity or ss

so uh why r you not like pushing for it?

Well:
- i'm still vla and said a few times i'm not really playing till i get home
- i feel like i have been trying to sort ss while i've been here and was just voting him. I'm not ready to end the day ao i unvoted when he hit e1
- infinity i also need to put some more work into aa it is possible i'm tunneled

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Oh he isnt e1 anymore
VOTE: ss

I would be p surprised if enchant flipped scum honestly
Can people onwagon summarize why they're voting him plz?

Especially infinity, pooky, and gamma?
Pedit >.>

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Do you scumread the slot?

Pedit shiki isnt voting and he's a newer player who repped in to a 50 page game or whatever. Why is he more likely scum who cant keep up than town who cant keep up

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I have found that when a thread goes hyperspeed on posting, the people who struggle to "keep up" tend to be scum because it takes a fairly rare skill set to be able to hyper post as town.

These scum then replace out as they find themselves falling further and further behind.

I think the fact that he never cauggt up to begin with (i.e. repped into a 50 page game) mitigates the scumminess of that context tho

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I was talking about his predecessor slot to begin with.

Fair enuf. Does also seem like he was busy with irl stuff tho, he made it kinda clear with his first-ish post.

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I failed as replacement, but not like previous me was better, so i consider my job done.

Either case, i am "Insurgent", which doesn't do anything.
About last words... Idk? My mind didn't change, Kyoko and Pooky probably town.
See me being wrong at that like always.

Townie imo ^

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Do you scumread the slot?

not really, but i don't have great vibes from enchant's posting

I mean so like why do you want to flip him today?

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PEdit: skitt knows that SS is an easier read too

??? Easier than what

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which other viable wagon should i prefer

Ss ... ?
-
And why is ss easier to read than enchant? I find ss to be someehat hard to read

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skitter where am I on ease to read from 1 - 10?

1 being easy and 10 being hard?
Like a 7 or something

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I dont remember exactly what i owe people, but general thoughts:
- i saw multiple people saying ss/enchant are svs. I'm baffled by the svs vibes, as i havent gotten any, i think they're tvs at best, and in tjat universe i think ss is the s
- i still think ss is scummy for focusing on the callers upon repping in, and *more importantly* now that he's been here for a day he still isnt really trying to scumhunt. His enchant vote is weak, and i dont feel like he's much interacting with things that *are* happening. He's just kinda floating and not really interacting with much
- infinity is still scummy. Dont get why she's voting enchant, doesn't really seem like she has a scumread there, and honestly i dont know what her reads are other than the fact that she's scumreading me. Enchant feels like a lazy cop-out poe vote. my earlier issues with the slot i have expounded upon at great length
- ceph i had been townreading but that took a nosedive upon the battleship games aa his content has kinda been lacking since around then
- galron is fairly obviously town
- pooky i can tell he's having fun, but i'm not dure if town chilling or scum using meme-y vibes to get out of giving content
- ydrasse and rousseau are town
- dgb i sfill somewhat scumread
- i probably got over my ssbm scumread
- gamma is lightly town but thay read has been dropping too
- enchant's nonchalance / cluelessness i'm reading as townie
- tetrina is townie (and if sue were scum i woupd be quite impressed!)
- of enchant/ss i vastly prefer ss

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And why is ss easier to read than enchant? I find ss to be someehat hard to read

oh nvm then

also i said i got slight townvibes from roden multiple times? and i disagree and think that ss is somewhat easy to read? so why am i supposed to be voting ss again?

- can you show some examples of townie rodsn posts?
- do you oppose to an ss vote or you just dont feel like you havs enough to vote him

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Well you're kinda hiding it behind being a pirate and i find that you're usually more purposeful and here you're kinda going 'oh lol that sounds like a good idea vote: x' in response tp like memes

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Uh curious that that's the only part of that paragraph you chose to respond to?

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this is the first good thing you've said like all game

pedit: more the latter

i think ss could be scum but i want to give him more time

the "cop out poe" vote is absolutely correct, but no one else cares about you or ceph so your expectations make no sense

also i gave a readslist a couple days ago so

- been saying that abt galron for quite a while (like since he got wagoned)
- i'm more trying to understand why you're willing to cop-out poe enchant and not ss when your read on the roden slot apparently amounts to vague townvibes and willing to give ss more time. This is sort of a long-winded way of trying to gauge if you/ss could be partners and i am indeed getting that vibe
- honestly i would be interested in a ceph vote, but maybe not like during these dueling wagons

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Uh curious that that's the only part of that paragraph you chose to respond to?

i responded to everything in your post directed at me

will get to the roden stuff tomorrow

Oh sorry that was meant to be at ss >.>

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Well longterm yes but rn i want to resolve these dueling wagons honestly

Also weren't you townreading her?

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ceph do you have a read on galron

Yeah, scummy

Also why?

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Gamma seemed to have a moderate strength opinion that SS is the easier read of the two. Sure.

VOTE: Enchant

Pedit: a little. I dont know what it is about me particularly that is so aggressively making them not feel any kind of way

Ceph sitting on a roden vote foe quite a long time anf then switching to enchant at the time he did is probably important but idk what it means

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Does scum-skitter push me this hard if Enchant is her partner?

I doubt it

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Uh noting that if enchant flips town you're setting up a push on me, got it

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Do you even scumread enchant?

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I mean i dont entirely understand this partner/chaining flips business on someone you dont even scumread, but ok

Like its someehat baffling to me that you're voting someone you dont scumread, speculating on possible partners, and then saying whete you want to go next if they flip town

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I mean he usually makes a lot of sense as town so

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Eh actually that is somewhat fair.
I'm not really trying to play weird, sorry >.> ig so far i'm seeing you kinda float and i very strongly think that scum will focus more on callers than the main game, and so when i see people do that i get scummy vibes, but i am possibly tunneled.

The more i think abt it i am getting increasingly tvt vibes feom the dueling wagons, i'm really confused how and why multiple people are just flipping back and forth from one to another. It definitely doesnt seem svs to me, and i'm kinda questioning tvs too. Doesnt really feel like it ~matters~ which wagon we end on which feels tvt somewhat to me

Do u have any thoughts on ceph thus far btw? @ss bur honestly @everyone too

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Probably like infinity i guess

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But like still baffled by the general ambivalence a lot if people have for the two wagons, and the sheer amt of crossvoting is ???

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Probably like infinity i guess

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But like still baffled by the general ambivalence a lot if people have for the two wagons, and the sheer amt of crossvoting is ???

Neither slot has done much of anything. Why should I care?

So why switch then?
And on a macro level i feel like town usually cares, or at least has a preferred flip. Scum, if both are tvt, would be utterly ambivalent

Kind of offended that I'm scum for playing battleship but pooky is Having Fun, skitter

I mean i'm technically calling both of u scummy for it

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Ugh i feel somewhat lost

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Ok i guess i do townread ceph

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@_@

enchant posting like that makes my heart say “town” but i am trying to ignore it

^ agree with the town vibes tbh. Feels like he never got into the game and tbh doesnt care abt getting flipped, and isnt going to put in effort for this anymore

@ssbm o tried to respond to the most pressing/immediate things, but if there's something i owe you please requote it so i can address it

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Heya
I'm still really dubious of ss tbh, his iso/vote on enchant looks somewhat partner-y to me

I think tetrina is town, since we're discussing her. Esp. since house's one vote/push was on her; his push felt like he saw on easy-ish misflip and i dont think that's where he woule choose to start off if she were scum

Also i'm lowkey wondering if monarch is scrambling her posts on purpose

Infinity's vote on enchant is still somewhat ??? fo me, because she was making a point of not scumreading him, and insisted on calling it a poe vote instead. But, i think if she were scum and ss were town, she would have switched to ss at some point towards the end of the day, as the ss wagon got p high too and i think its feasible he could have been flipped there instead. She was p adament on voting enchant over ss, and i think if scum would have taken my entreaty to switch votes there. So the vote is a bit +town to me (this reasoning goes out the window if ss is also scum tho btw)

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I didnt really change so much as added another thought in a later post

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I'm still sus of dgb too tbh

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lol what

didnt u say ss/enchant wasnt s/s skitter?

I thought that yesterday from the wagon dynamics but now that i know enchant is scum i think ss's iso is partner-y. So yeah i changed my mind

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in my experience when there's 2 leading wagons and neither of the 2 have any solid/real read on the other wagon its probly just S/S

They both just repped in, i dont feel like this is a great tell in tjis case

blast from the past

Yep. I was wrong on enchant and changed my mind

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Yep, but i just looked at his iso and still scumread him postflip so yeah. I am changing my mind on that and do still scumread him, and i get that its a funky trajectory and will own it

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I do still townread galron + ydrasse tho

Pedit @ceph

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im suspicious of dgb, skitter and galron, maybe a little of ydrasse which feels bad bc she's being nice to me

it's possible i'm being a little too straightforward in not really looking for the bus, but i didn't see anything that jumped out to me as being one

VOTE: skitter for variety's sake

Meh i'm still gonna look for the bus cuz i think there is one. And i think galron is p strongly town tbh
Not really sure why ydrasse fell because of the flip tho

And wrt ss:
- i think his vote on enchant is partner-y, as was him missing what enchant claimed
- i cant possibly imagine sitting there yesterday proclaiming that i thought the wagons werent svs and avoiding the scum wagon only to keep pushing ss today. I'm not sure if i would have gone so far as to bus, but it would have been trivially easy to maintain a clean trajectory and keep ss open by just caling is svs like everyone else was. And scum-me *cares* about my trajectory
- honestly the scumflip doesnt really change what i think abt ss, i thought he was scummier than enchant (which is why i wanted him yesterday). Feel like i am using info from the flip to sort people (ex:tetrina) tho
- idk who i would be adding here in the lim pool as scum, would prob try to keep infinity open, maybe you, id who els, havent thought abt jt too mucy. I can understand why you think that tho

@ceph

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- i think his vote on enchant is partner-y, as was him missing what enchant claimed

I would think the opposite about missing what enchant claimed. surely they would have discussed it

- i cant possibly imagine sitting there yesterday proclaiming that i thought the wagons werent svs and avoiding the scum wagon only to keep pushing ss today. I'm not sure if i would have gone so far as to bus, but it would have been trivially easy to maintain a clean trajectory and keep ss open by just caling is svs like everyone else was. And scum-me *cares* about my trajectory

this isnt unreasonable i know but at some point i have to take into account superficially scummy behavior over selfmeta or scum can just do whatever they want

First point: i'm actually not sure enchant discussed it (why didnt he claim a pr?)

Second point: that's fair and its fine if you dont weigh it too much. on some ego-ish level i do feel a need to point out that my scumgame is a lot more polished than what you're accusingme of tho, and point out that i would not, in fact, do that

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I'm not really sure dgb is scum tbh

When i have a chance later my goal is to reread through the development od both eod wagons, as i still think the dynamics around them were p weird.

Also i want to say that while i was feeling better about ssbm ~midday1, a lot od the townvibes i had gotten from them have basically eroded

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Also i want to say that while i was feeling better about ssbm ~midday1, a lot od the townvibes i had gotten from them have basically eroded

why

Its the sort of read that needs to be maintained by them doing townie things and i dont feel like they've been soing enough of them

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Pooky i'm gonna assume you didnt lolbus enchant so will be putting you in the town bucket

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I'm good at lol bussing

not day1, not enchant in taht way, etc

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I'm good at lol bussing

not day1, not enchant in taht way, etc

i mean if SS/Enchant r both scum it hardly matters no?

good point, i retract

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anyways VOTE: ss

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isn't that like the second or third vote? we're p far from a flip rn i think, but i guess tweetie will verify that shortly

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ya second vote

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i vibe wrt kyouko dwindling

UNVOTE:

:upvote:

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i think shutterbug is town (and i love your posting style!)

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i mean are you expecting pooky to townread you here or something

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Yep. I was wrong on enchant and changed my mind

oic. You thought it wasn't S/S simply because you thought Enchant was town.

basically
and cuz the wagon dynamcis were weird

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did enchant's scumflip help you form any reads

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I think that's more than a little bit reach-y, and utterly nai for me - i'll leave out words or mid-typing change words but forget yo take the other one out. i'm sure reading ky iso in this game you'll find other examples of similar typos

Also i imagine ydra is chummy with me irregardless either of our alignments

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That's really smart :eek: I want to vote skitter just for that honestly, she gives me the impression that she doesn't really care or amend what she says much with her style so that does look weird for her especially maybe because of the view impression i have of her in my head

>.>

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i think shutterbug is town (and i love your posting style!)

I’m just kinda wigging out because it’s somewhere between Nagito and Kokichi in terms of behavior today, and I’m not a huge fan of either character

I dont know what these references are >.>

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:)

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VOTE: ssbm