White flag #824 game over

[Dwlee99]

is the bottom ordered? and you're still free to explain why you townread him

Nope

I don't see scummy things. The weirdest thing has been his reaction to goats claiming we could be partnered which might be a caught for the wrong reasons kind of thing but also could just be frustrated town.

[Flea The Magician]

Pooky, NM, Klick, and Infinity can be trusted. Maybe Flea.

I think GL's vote on Dwlee can easily be partnered. I would call GL my second top scumread right now.

Why Klick and why Flea?

and especially how would my vote on Dwlee make sense as a partner vote when this is explicitly a setup that punishes bussing more than usual? Like if I were scum the last thing I would be doing right now is voting a partner when I could probably come up with an excuse to vote almost anyone

*deep voice* really.

think about how bad that sequence of events is.

1) GL votes dwlee
2) I accuse GL of being partners with dwlee
3) GL says "I can't possibly be partners with dwlee, I voted him one time!"
4) GL

unvotes dwlee and onto dwlee's loudest accuser

VOTE: GuiltyLion

You may well be a alt.. but I like you.

3) GL says "I can't possibly be partners with dwlee, I voted him one time!"

This is not at all what I said, actually

Ain't far from it. Especially given how you voting Dwlee makes no sense as a partner vote when this is explicitly a setup that punishes bussing more than usual.

sigh. VOTE: guiltylion

dwlee, why is guiltylion your top townread?

I see I made a good choice in my early town picks.

like "minimally committal" is just not how I play scum and I have tons of previous mafia PT posts to back this up

I love a self-meta-defence. No really.



My head is doing a nope.

I'm glad I picked Dwlee as my other D1TR.

[Infinity 324]

yeah gl is scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I pretty much see it rn

[Dwlee99]

Is the case caught for wrong reasons or something else?

[Infinity 324]

it's what implo said, i don't believe the scumread on goats for suggesting you two could be partners is genuine

[goats]

what's up beautiful people

[goats]

it looks we all agree GL is scum and that he should be hung from the neck until dead today. (yes, GL, I am gloating and you can't stop me.)

I am interested in why @implosion thinks that GL would not react like this if he is partners with Dwlee. especially with Dwlee continuing to defend him after his attack on me.

[goats]

@flea give me your strongest reads please. not just pokes and prods in response to posts, I'd like to know how you feel about the game as a whole.

[Gamma Emerald]

Is the case caught for wrong reasons or something else?

That’s how I feel GL’s play rn looks

[Datisi]

I don't see scummy things. The weirdest thing has been his reaction to goats claiming we could be partnered which might be a caught for the wrong reasons kind of thing but also could just be frustrated town.

oookay

so what scummy things do you see in your bottom 4 then?

bugspray
implosion
Klick
Datisi

[Dwlee99]

The frustration seems genuine. Whether the scumread is is the more alignment indicative thing so I need to look at that more

[goats]

i kinda want to know if implosion and datisi are still in your bottom 4 actually

[goats]

ALSO why was implosion in your bottom 4 in the first place? that occurred after his display of emotion that was said to be out of his scumrange no? do you think they are lying?

[Dwlee99]

@dats, I'm gonna reeval cause I'm realizing my top list is too big right now. I was kind of doing a reverse mafia thing where I find town and then the bottom list ends up being PoE but implosion's emotional thing should maybe move him to the top list? And then I'd be silly to think I PoE'd the three scum on day one so I need to reeval the top people to figure out who shouldn't be there anymore.

[Dwlee99]

You're a ninja

[goats]

in spite of everything i find myself having an odd gut read that dwlee is town lol

[Datisi]

in spite of everything i find myself having an odd gut read that dwlee is town lol

when did this happen??

[GuiltyLion]

Ugh

I think the reason I got so tilted last night is because in my most recent loss, Divide and Conquer, I got miselimmed in LYLO because scum successfully argued that I played really tentatively and awkwardly around Bingle (not my partner), that my vote/attitude him was distancing when I had basically waffled and not pushed him 'enough' as town on D1. Again I had tried to make the same point (yes, self meta, but I can pull from endless mafia PTs or towngames where I make the same point over and over) that my intentions as scum are either to not bus and townread or to distance meaningfully and extensively.

A "hey you, come play" vote on my partner is not something I would like or tend to do as scum and it is frustrating to see people I think are likely town here like Dats buying into the narrative that goats sold with no justification whatsoever.

I probably overreacted but it's a dumb read and I think it's fake. And now you have Flea isalivating at the opportunity to vote me. I don't like infinity calling me scum and not voting me either.

Do I need to pull the receipts for yall to listen to me? I can when I wake up and get out of bed on my PC later today

[goats]

in spite of everything i find myself having an odd gut read that dwlee is town lol

when did this happen??

around 275

[GuiltyLion]

Dwlee is town for his reaction here seeing that my frustration is real and not immediately taking that as a reason to suspect/push me

[GuiltyLion]

Also implosion is townie for the olive branch reach out as well

Flea shading me in 276 is a real bad look and I think an attempt to goad me into flailing further. There's no point to that post except to try to make me look bad, no attempt at engaging.

[Datisi]

in spite of everything i find myself having an odd gut read that dwlee is town lol

when did this happen??

around 275

surprisingly enough that post made me feel worse about them

idk if it's partnery, but it definitely sounds like a "scum defending a suspicious townie that they know wouldn't convince anyone". and also something rubbed me the wrong way about our exchange of:

- "why is this person town?"
- "i don't see scummy things"
- "okay, why are your scumreads scum?"
- "poe from finding town"

but maybe i'm nitpicking, i know i should stop tunnelling semantics. sometimes.

[GuiltyLion]

Datisi please reread goats posts assuming you had my green flip

The way he pushes me just vibes scum to me. Arrogant, making up narratives, not grounded in any genuine suspicion. I think he knows I'm green as well

[Datisi]

Do I need to pull the receipts for yall to listen to me? I can when I wake up and get out of bed on my PC later today

i want to townread guiltylion for this, because my first instinct when i'm town and being pushed for things i know are nonsense is "look, here's a dump of 10 billion of my town and scum posts that prove that i never do this thing, can you piss off" so i definitely feel that. and also i was skimming dnc here and there when it was happening and i think that annoyance lines up. wouldn't mind seeing a few examples you offered, though.