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[innocentvillager]

datisi what do you think of mew's latest posts? i kind of think they're open and genuine and super weird in a way that scum wouldn't be able to fabricate well. about him posting safe stuff with no agenda being gutpingy i think the last few pages he has really gotten out of that bubble so either he's being coached as scum or starting to get into the game as town?

reading 629 is on my to do list
further down if i ever get to it/becomes more urgent reading T3's MBOS

[innocentvillager]

this is just general @ari, margot, roden/whoever keeps coming at me for the "AtE" i did

i don't think my frustration spilling out is scum!indicative in any world, but that's just knowing the kind of player i am and none of you really know me

like I said (also @T3 who tried to meta me) im a player who does tend to get upset and fiery when run up for various reasons as town and i emulate it sometimes as scum. this one was especially bad because of the TIMEFRAME, that is something you are leaving out of your posts and is being abstracted away more and more as the event gets further from us. imagine being me, finally rolling green out of hiatus after an uphill scumgame, and immediately getting flashwagoned less than 24 hours into entrance based on some weak Datisi case that he kept pushing as a confident reason (the wording he used was "iv is likely scum because X, Y from meta, and I know how he plays"). fine, i agree now he didn't expect me to get flashwagoned like that that early but it was really confident for that early stage and he should've know how much sway he might've had given how much experience he has with me. i don't really scumread datisi anymore (still not sure if i townlean him) but that's just what i was thinking at the time

so im not sure why my emotions seemed so foreign or scum-motivated. like i could've just not gotten to play at all and gotten lolhammered by NM or scum. i also enjoy playing with ppl like datisi even if we get into dumb little shitfights sometimes lol. if i were to get rewagoned now based on genuine concerns on my latest posting, id be upset but don't think id shit up a storm or anything because at least i got a chance to play this game

again it seems ppl took issue with my "AtE" or whatever so im trying to do less of that now

also @T3 there are more games than the ones you meta'd where i blow up a bit so it's not really a sample size thing, it's just something i do as both alignments probably. i appreciate the meta effort tho

[innocentvillager]

What’s the case for Margot again
I pretty much have had my entire perception of her vanish into thin air

basically the E1 and direct ask for claim at that point was rolefishy, opportunistic, unnecessary and therefore bad

i could totally see someone just outing their role and claiming there

also for how much she complained about pressure alleviating on me where the fuck is she to put more pressure on me?

not trying to be a hypocrite so this part comes with a grain of salt but it’s been 3 days since the flashwagon and she’s barely been here, does she really care about this

meh it’s mostly about the Claim I just want an answer to at this point. Less that I actually think she’s like lockscum

I don't understand this.

You're saying she's scummy for putting you at E-1 and she's also scummy for not pressuring you?

yes it was super early in the game and a claim was not even remotely necessary at this point/i could've gotten lolhammered

like i said earlier general pressure would've been fine. i have no issue with people in general putting pressure on their scumreads, in fact not doing it is scummy. but this feels different, like if i were her and suspected me and wanted to put more pressure on me, i would said something along lines of "innocentvillager is at E-2, i would put him at E-1 but it's still early/might be lolhammerers so consider my vote spiritually on him" or something, then maybe grilled me on certain things. idk maybe it's just me but i do feel like specifically the E-1 has an obvious level1 scum motivation which makes it scum!indicative by itself

[innocentvillager]

It a sort of hitting-your-head-against-a-wall tone I feel like scum typically display when trying to sway an IC or pseudo-IC

tbh not trying to be mean but i find roden pretty annoying (just this game nothing personal) and i kind of vibed with Mew's sentiment myself so i don't see it as scummy. like i just don't really want to interact with him because he's just been dead set on voteparking me, claiming the only thing i do is AtE making it seem like im some super scum for that, taking potshots at me, calling me elim-bait etc. and ari just gets to sheep him because he's IC and i don't really feel like i can do anything about this situation. idk im in kind of a unique spot for him tho

[innocentvillager]

By the way I think ChaosOmega is town. Just wanted to squeeze that in there. Okay, bye.

how do you have a read on this slot?

[innocentvillager]

Ari it’s not about “how dare you vote me”

Datisi knows me well and I initially took issue with the push reasoning and margot’s E1 was really harmful the other wagon votes are like whatever I would do that too I don’t see why those votes are scummy necessarily

I also don’t like how you are reducing my posting to just that piece it makes me think you stopped trying to read me after that one string of posts (and given that you’re ignoring me)

can you answer my question now? it’s in my iso twice

If Datisi knows you well then why are you surprised that he thinks you disappearing at the start of the game is scum!indicative? Is his meta on you inaccurate?


I like how dwlee's posting has depth that feels closer to his town game than his scum game. I also don't think scum!him would approach my slot by voteparking me because I don't think scum!him really wants to push town!me since he's played with me before.

I like Datisi's aggression, I think there's a confidence in his town!game that he can't quite replicate exactly in his scum!game - I don't think he's very good at faking conviction when he rolls red and I'd be pleasantly surprised if he was actually scum here.

Salsa just feels very town to me, her stream of consciousness posting feels real - the one game I've seen of hers where she's scum she is a lot more performative and fake sounding - here I think she is pursuing real thoughts.

i feel like ive talked about the first point plenty of times across my posts so i don't really want to respond again ping me again on something more specific if you are still left wanting

this all just seems like meta? are you like super familiar with all these players or something? your join date doesn't really suggest that you would be, are you an alt?

if this is all meta, then im not sure why you took so much issue with me having them in my "idk" tier, that's a little weird to me tbh

the only person i really have experience with here is Datisi and I kind of agree with the aggression thing anecdotally but idk i just always have Datisi paranoia because i haven't played with him in a while either and i know he puts more volume and takes this game more seriously than i do. i need to experience scum!datisi first hand again before i feel like i have a good idea of where his scumrange ends

[Mewtaph]

By the way I think ChaosOmega is town. Just wanted to squeeze that in there. Okay, bye.

how do you have a read on this slot?

I can't reveal my secrets so soon. I'm waiting on more people to post, some with more attention than others. Your posts are really good imo but I am a bit biased.

[innocentvillager]

I've read through again. Here's my stance.

I stand by my Mewtaph and IV scum reads. I asked for a claim because that is my understanding about what happens at e-1. I didn't specifically angle for IV to be killed n1, but if they were, that would have been fine with me, because I think they are scum, and given the setup is not revealed, the claim would likely not have meant anything anyway.

I still think T3 is likely not scum. I also Town Read the heck out of Datisi. I think the fact that Mewtaph and IV both voted for me is pretty scum indicative in my book, and I'm feeling more and more confident that I've solved two of the scum roles.

This is especially given the fact that all of IV's reasons for voting back at me are bizarre when you actually stop and think about it for five seconds. Like, asking for a claim is scum indicative? Trying to vote out someone you think is scum is scum indicative? What isn't scum indicative in your book IV? Anyone voting for anyone is scum. Is the only Townie in this game N_M?

hi hope you're okay Margot

honestly, kind of annoying that you don't think the claim matters much at all, because that's an easy answer for you to say as scum i guess when you were really just trying to rolefish as scum.

just in the future if you're town, i think you should give people more time to play the game because blah blah ive talked about it enough. if ur scum great job bc you almost rolefished me/got me killed and now have a plausible explanation/apparently no one other than me thinks ur scummy for this so ill probably have to reconsider a little on you ig.

[Dwlee99]

My scumdar is broken this game apologies

[Mewtaph]

I've read through again. Here's my stance.

I stand by my Mewtaph and IV scum reads. I asked for a claim because that is my understanding about what happens at e-1. I didn't specifically angle for IV to be killed n1, but if they were, that would have been fine with me, because I think they are scum, and given the setup is not revealed, the claim would likely not have meant anything anyway.

I still think T3 is likely not scum. I also Town Read the heck out of Datisi. I think the fact that Mewtaph and IV both voted for me is pretty scum indicative in my book, and I'm feeling more and more confident that I've solved two of the scum roles.

This is especially given the fact that all of IV's reasons for voting back at me are bizarre when you actually stop and think about it for five seconds. Like, asking for a claim is scum indicative? Trying to vote out someone you think is scum is scum indicative? What isn't scum indicative in your book IV? Anyone voting for anyone is scum. Is the only Townie in this game N_M?

hi hope you're okay Margot

honestly, kind of annoying that you don't think the claim matters much at all, because that's an easy answer for you to say as scum i guess when you were really just trying to rolefish as scum.

just in the future if you're town, i think you should give people more time to play the game because blah blah ive talked about it enough. if ur scum great job bc you almost rolefished me/got me killed and now have a plausible explanation/apparently no one other than me thinks ur scummy for this so ill probably have to reconsider a little on you ig.

I think she's scummy. Just wanted to make sure she was super invested in her reads.

[Datisi]

IV also just never goes to ELo without a confirmed inno on him, because if he's town then he'll be mis-elim bait for the rest of the game.

disagree with this, i think iv generally does make his alignment more obvious as the game progresses, i think he loses steam as scum somewhat quickly

kind of disagree with 858, i feel like a scum!player who's actually thinking of changing the ic's mind would've just explained where the ic was wrong immediately than wait to be asked about it. could be an ate attempt i guess, but that overall kinda strikes me as a post more likely to come from town?

i feel kinda dumb writing this out when i haven't even properly thought about mew's earlier responses to me but whatever

This is especially given the fact that all of IV's reasons for voting back at me are bizarre when you actually stop and think about it for five seconds. Like, asking for a claim is scum indicative? Trying to vote out someone you think is scum is scum indicative? What isn't scum indicative in your book IV? Anyone voting for anyone is scum. Is the only Townie in this game N_M?

this feels a bit dishonest. like it feels like iv's reasons for scumreading her, but dumbed down and out of context to the point of being nonsensical.

i would also like for you to talk more about your iv scumread other than "yep, still scum". and why is iv/mew voting you scum!indicative for you? do you genuinely believe that two scum got so scared of you they're tying themselves together in order to push you?

ok i see there's also the "iv went after you and t3" which uh, hasn't iv been vocally defending t3 for like, a long time now?

bottom of page 35, need a break bc brain hurt, be back in a bit.

[Mewtaph]

Ooo exciting content. I like it. Sorry I went back on not posting within 12 hours but I don't think anyone really cares at this point.

[Mewtaph]

For IV: Bottom of 332might help. A reread helped me get a better read on his slot but yes I was exactly where you were for a while.

[Mewtaph]

His posts make a lot of sense. I think his progression on my slot (uptick) is extremely townie and I've basically interacted with him the most. There are other things but that should be more than enough for now.

[Mewtaph]

His posts make a lot of sense. I think his progression on my slot (uptick) is extremely townie and I've basically interacted with him the most. There are other things but that should be more than enough for now.

I am, however, a bit biased here. If you TR me though, you can trust my read on him. I feel quite strongly about him being town.

[Mewtaph]

UNVOTE:

At this point, I don't think the back and forth with Mew is helpful. I disagree with some things from his last response to me, but it's getting semantic and I'm feeling better about his slot.

Posting from my phone, I feel like crap. I need to look back over this game because I'm pretty lost right now in terms of reads, will do that tomorrow.

Is also a very, very good post. Don't really want to explain why but just wait for his reads list if you're unsure. Feeling very much like it will come from a townie perspective.

[Mewtaph]

His posts make a lot of sense. I think his progression on my slot (uptick) is extremely townie and I've basically interacted with him the most. There are other things but that should be more than enough for now.

There are actually a lot of things. Several. One minor thing being that I said reads list but ChaosOmega said reads. Semantics.

[T3]

this is just general @ari, margot, roden/whoever keeps coming at me for the "AtE" i did

i don't think my frustration spilling out is scum!indicative in any world, but that's just knowing the kind of player i am and none of you really know me

like I said (also @T3 who tried to meta me) im a player who does tend to get upset and fiery when run up for various reasons as town and i emulate it sometimes as scum. this one was especially bad because of the TIMEFRAME, that is something you are leaving out of your posts and is being abstracted away more and more as the event gets further from us. imagine being me, finally rolling green out of hiatus after an uphill scumgame, and immediately getting flashwagoned less than 24 hours into entrance based on some weak Datisi case that he kept pushing as a confident reason (the wording he used was "iv is likely scum because X, Y from meta, and I know how he plays"). fine, i agree now he didn't expect me to get flashwagoned like that that early but it was really confident for that early stage and he should've know how much sway he might've had given how much experience he has with me. i don't really scumread datisi anymore (still not sure if i townlean him) but that's just what i was thinking at the time

so im not sure why my emotions seemed so foreign or scum-motivated. like i could've just not gotten to play at all and gotten lolhammered by NM or scum. i also enjoy playing with ppl like datisi even if we get into dumb little shitfights sometimes lol. if i were to get rewagoned now based on genuine concerns on my latest posting, id be upset but don't think id shit up a storm or anything because at least i got a chance to play this game

again it seems ppl took issue with my "AtE" or whatever so im trying to do less of that now

also @T3 there are more games than the ones you meta'd where i blow up a bit so it's not really a sample size thing, it's just something i do as both alignments probably. i appreciate the meta effort tho

Recent games.

[T3]

I'm not really sure what differences there are in my meta. I've been told that I give off a similar vibe and both town and scum but the way I treat individual slots is different.

[T3]

By the way I think ChaosOmega is town. Just wanted to squeeze that in there. Okay, bye.

how do you have a read on this slot?

I can't reveal my secrets so soon. I'm waiting on more people to post, some with more attention than others. Your posts are really good imo but I am a bit biased.

I think Mewtaph is town for this?

[T3]

The way Mewtaph is essentially going "I'll say why this is true later" is reminding me of RC in another game. Very similar play in regards to that, both players had returned from a hiatus.

[Datisi]

The way Mewtaph is essentially going "I'll say why this is true later" is reminding me of RC in another game. Very similar play in regards to that, both players had returned from a hiatus.

you mean like in that game where rc was scum and you were his partner?

[Datisi]

On Kyouko, I read what you wrote on them and I largely agree if that makes sense. I don't know if my townreads exactly lines up in the realm of things scum!Kyouko wouldn't do and I want to relook my read there at some point, maybe even D1 if you're specifically looking there for potential scum.

i don't think there's any pressure/hurry to do this, but if you've got free time to invest in the game, this might be a good idea. i don't wanna push kyouko because of two reasons (1) derp on ic (2) most people seemed to townread her and claim that she has polarizing play, and they seem to know better than me. otherwise, i'm really not impressed with her slot i guess... i would like her to adress my 629? (*cough* @kyo)

[Datisi]

datisi what do you think of mew's latest posts? i kind of think they're open and genuine and super weird in a way that scum wouldn't be able to fabricate well.

ironically enough, mew is also reminding me of rce that game i mentioned above... in the sense that he's definitely reading the game and has reads and is solving, but my eyes are completely glazing over everything and none of it is properly registering as ai. which may be my fault, idk.

can you point out what posts you find open / genuine / super weird for scum specifically? you might as well be right, i just don't see it rn

[Datisi]

also, my own take currently is that t3 is scum and at least one person going "idk lol i just don't see why t3 is scummy" is a partner