Mini 2251: Triplicate! GAME OVER!

[CheekyTeeky]

Radical Rat: town
mastina: town
Dwlee99: scumish
Dunnstral: scumish
Titus: town
Lady Chloe: townish
T3: scumish

Here's where I'm at atp. Least confident in Dwlee scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't know about B. Maybe house?

[T3]

I hammered because I made a dumb mistake.

[T3]

Radical Rat: town
mastina: town
Dwlee99: scumish
Dunnstral: scumish
Titus: town
Lady Chloe: townish
T3: scumish

Here's where I'm at atp. Least confident in Dwlee scum.

yikes

[CheekyTeeky]

Radical Rat: town
mastina: town
Dwlee99: scumish
Dunnstral: scumish
Titus: town
Lady Chloe: townish
T3: scumish

Here's where I'm at atp. Least confident in Dwlee scum.

yikes

Feel free to point out where you disagree.

[Alyssa The Lamb]

This game already feels like a fucking headache

Let's go along this track first: Why was MegAzumarill killed day one?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

I'm actually really curious, mastina

Why did you give me mostly information about Game B when we are in presumably ELo in Game A?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Another question

What are your current reads regarding both games individually?

[Jingle]

Mastina has been killed in the normal game.

She was:

Spoiler:

VT

Vote Count Normal.4.00

T3 (E-4):

Dunnstral (E-4):

Dwlee99 (E-4):

Radical Rat (E-4):

CheekyTeeky (E-4):

Titus (E-4):

Lady Chloe (E-4):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (7):

T3, Dunnstral, Dwlee99, Radical Rat, CheekyTeeky, Titus, Lady Chloe

With 7 alive, it takes

4

to murder/death/kill or

4

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 4 is in (expired on 2021-12-27 03:00:00).

Theme Game

It is now Night 3 in the Theme Game. Night 3 will last until (expired on 2021-12-14 01:00:00).

[Alyssa The Lamb]

mfw

[Alyssa The Lamb]

2081 and 2082 are no longer relevant

I'd still like to discuss 2080 though

[Titus]

I still think Cheeky has decent odds of flipping mafia in Game A.

T3 scumclaimed in B with that hammer on Ircher.

no.

Justify your hammer.

Oh dear

{Titus/Cheeky/mastina}

I can't think any further. The savagery would take me.

That's the best possible townbloc you've got there.

Me thinks based off that pool that barring Cheeky scum, Taly's just off here. I don't see mastina reaching out this much as scum.

What makes you agree with Cheeky-scum?

I don't. I'm saying you're likely really off base and the only one possible is Cheeky.

[Titus]

I would lim T3 at the moment for scum in A.

RR would be an ok lim for the VCA. Same as Dunn.

[Radical Rat]

What the fuck

I don't really know where to go from here. Massclaim maybe? Idk if there are even any PRs left for that to help, but I have no idea who scum is after a mastina townflip.

I'm still pretty confident in A50/Titus Town.
Lady Chloe seems very Town motivated.
I kinda just assumed Dwlee was telling the truth about being Town here, but I'm gonna be REAL pissed if they're not here.

So that leaves T3/Cheeky/Dunn, possibly swapping one for Dwlee.

But also clearly I haven't been reading this game very well so far, so I don't know.

[mastina]

Let's go along this track first: Why was MegAzumarill killed day one?

Well basically, I had a "Meg is not town in all three games" read:

Spoiler: Preamble to the Meg elimination, aka, mastina's gamelong scumread

VOTE: MegAzumarill
HURT: Ircher
I have more fosses than these two, but, phoneposting.
There's zero way that these two are town in all three games so eliminating one of them is guaranteed to advance the town wincon in at least one game.

Hello

This is scum in at least 1/3 games and might even be 2/3--was my vote for a damn good reason. This is also NOT MegAzumarill as town here.

I have other scumreads that are stronger (Ircher, MegAzumarill, and RCEnigma are all on the top of that list)

Almost50
Lady Chloe

Dwlee99
T3

CheekyTeeky

Dunnstral
Amy Dunne
Radical Rat
House

Ircher
RCEnigma
MegAzumarill

Approximately.

(I should mention that I legit think that Ircher, RCE, and Meg have a very high chance of actually being scum in

multiple

games. Probably 2/3 but I legit think that they're scum in

at least

one game.)

So like:
Almost50
Lady Chloe

Dwlee99
T3
House*

CheekyTeeky

Dunnstral
Radical Rat
House*

Amy Dunne

Ircher
RCEnigma
MegAzumarill

There's a

damn

good reason that my vote pool is {RCE, Ircher, MegAzumarill} and that's because I legit think that those three are all scum in

at least

one game, and that of the players in the game, they are the ones with the highest chances of actually being scum in

more

than one game.

I am less concerned about your read on me and more concerned about your read on Meg who had only one post when you posted that. I find it hard to believe that one post would be so indicative of scum. @mastina

From MegAzumarill and especially given the setup?

It was.

Plus, Meg has since posted more than once, and Meg's posts since the first post have only strengthened my "scum in at least one game if not multiple" read there.

Almost50
Lady Chloe

Dwlee99
T3
House*

CheekyTeeky
Radical Rat

Dunnstral
House*

Amy Dunne

Ircher
RCEnigma
MegAzumarill

House
Almost50
Lady Chloe

Dwlee99
T3

CheekyTeeky
Radical Rat

Dunnstral

Amy Dunne

Ircher
RCEnigma
MegAzumarill

House
Almost50
Lady Chloe

Dwlee99
T3

Radical Rat

Dunnstral
CheekyTeeky

Amy Dunne

Ircher
RCEnigma
MegAzumarill

{Ircher, RCE, Meg} are all scum in

at least

one scumgame, maybe two.)

House
Almost50
Lady Chloe

Dwlee99
T3

CheekyTeeky

Radical Rat

Dunnstral

Amy Dunne

Ircher
RCEnigma
MegAzumarill

House
Almost50
Lady Chloe

Dwlee99
T3

CheekyTeeky

Radical Rat

Dunnstral

Amy Dunne

Ircher
RCEnigma
MegAzumarill

Ircher, RCE, and Meg are all scum in at least one game with the very very real chance of being scum in 2/3 games.

I genuinely don't think I'm off the mark on any of these. I think that I legit, deadass, nailed the distribution exactly. I just. Feel VERY confident in these.

Then, Meg flipped scum in game #3, and after that, made a post.

And it was for that, that post, which got the scumread really going. Basically, for this in game 2:

Now that I am dead in game C i will claim in the other two
I am a

Bulletproof Multitasking Compulsive Combined Vigilante-Voyuerizer Jailkeeper Jester

In Game B

In game A I am a

Town Simple Roleblocker.

I am 100% serious.

It produced immediate doubt, for good reason;

Is That 3p in the theme? It doesn't really look like a theme flavored role.

VOTE: Mega
Unless mega is a game ending jester I think they're just optimal lim in game two? Although, eliminating the roleblocker from A would suck

Why exactly did Meg claim in games A and B?

Idk I think they're scum though

Mega's claim there is very scummy for both games if that's what you're basing this off of

Now that I am dead in game C i will claim in the other two
I am a

Bulletproof Multitasking Compulsive Combined Vigilante-Voyuerizer Jailkeeper Jester

In Game B

In game A I am a

Town Simple Roleblocker.

I am 100% serious.

That's a bad move. Why out your role in game 1? And why claim Jester on D1 in game 2? We obviously can't lim you in one of these 2 games without eliminating you in the other!!

I’m not sure I believe any of Meg’s claims.

I still buy Meg as scum in game 1 or 2

VOTE: meg
I don't know whether my vote got reset because I voted Dunn.

VOTE: meg

That is not the way to start

Meg why haven’t you been doing any solving like you did in ELSM’s games A and C?

No actually I rescind Dwlee being scummier in B but think Dwlee more likely in A.

How do you distinguish that at this point? In game 3 I get it because game was underway but I’m just basing my reads rn just based off of play in general.

Because MegA fake claimed town PR in game A rather than B where they claimed 3p jester so I think if MegA is in fact scum in B it makes it unlikely they are scum together since Dwlee believed the claim. And the TPR in Game A would be more threatening to scum than the 3p in game B. It makes sense in my head and I feel 50-50 in this translating into something logical in the thread.

I think Meg's overcomplicated Jester claim is serious. The theme is literally about hypercomplex bureaucracy, so tacking a billion modifiers on a weird hybrid 3P role feels like it fits right in.
For the Simple Roleblocker claim, I'm not really sure if it's serious, but it's an odd D1 claim regardless. Definitely Anti-Town to claim so early, at the very least.

For these reasons, and with the hope that Jester doesn't end the game, I'm most comfortable doing this
VOTE: MegAzumarill

I explained why I thought 496 was a scumclaim over these posts:

Spoiler: My case on Meg-scum game 2

Phoneposting, so I'll have more to say when home, but:
2:

I an hard counterclaiming bulletproof in game two.

So Meg is scum there, too.

I can and will explain when home.
VOTE: MegAzumarill

Now that I am dead in game C i will claim in the other two
I am a

Bulletproof Multitasking Compulsive Combined Vigilante-Voyuerizer Jailkeeper Jester

In Game B

In game A I am a

Town Simple Roleblocker.

I am 100% serious.

The bp claim is here.
I don't believe it, because *I* am bp in game two/B.

um.
t h
meg said it was a joke claim.

Well I didn't read that far.

I was reading offline and saw Meg claim my role, so I instantly logged in to counterclaim.

Vote stays as I think Meg is still scum even with a retraction of "it a s a joke".

Can explain when home why I think that Meg is scum in Game two.

I still don’t understand her Ircher read but I am notoriously bad at reading him.

I however am VERY good at reading Ircher and guarantee he's scum in AT LEAST one game, if not two.

Almost certainly with MegAzumarill in at least one game, too.

(So, I suppose my "Ircher is the last scum" in game 4 read has a caveat--there's a chance he's not scum there, but he's scum with MegAzumarill in

some

game, probably the second, almost for sure.)

Mastina why do you hate me so?

I don't hate you!

It's just that I'm not scum in any of the games, you're proven scum in the third, and I think you're scum in the second, too!

Why is House 100% town in both of the other games and not rr?

Flipping scum in one game does not a clear make. You may note I'm still hella suspicious of MegAzumarill in spite of the scum flip in game three and have RR as null in spite of the scum flip in game three and House as town due to the scum flip in game three.

And the reason for that is quite simple. Three different reads from three different scumflips in game three is due to what the players have posted and who the players are.

MegAzumarill's play in this game is pretty damn obviously "town in 1/3 games, scum in the other two". Okay, so I suppose it's

possible

for Meg to be town in 2/3 games, but Meg's play doesn't support that at all. I don't think Meg actually got 3/3 scum role PMs, but everything in Meg's play, start to finish, screams, "scum in more than one game". At every single stage, I've seen content that has made it look like Meg hasn't been town in more than one game at most, and overall it just strongly seems like Meg doesn't know how to play as town in one game (probably game one) and scum in the other two.

Which puts my readslist as:
House
RCEnigma*
Almost50
Lady Chloe

Dwlee99
T3

CheekyTeeky

Radical Rat

Dunnstral

Amy Dunne

Ircher
MegAzumarill

*entirely trusting T3's read

At this stage I think that {Dunnstral, Amy Dunne, Ircher, MegAzumarill} legitimately has a very high chance of containing all the scum in all the games.

I am a

Bulletproof (other words I didn't read)

In Game B
I am 100% serious.

For the record--this is what I saw before I stopped reading on my phone to log in.

I didn't even read the entirety of the claim.

I just saw 'bulletproof' and '100% serious' and INSTANTLY scrolled up to hit the login button to counterclaim because there was no fucking chance in hell of there being two bulletproofs in a mini game in my opinion.

Even with it apparently being a joke, I think that Meg's scum

anyway

.
There's multiple reasons for this.
I've not read the game thread yet so not sure how the "it was a joke" came up, but.
I don't think it was actually meant as a joke.

I think that Meg was genuinely trying to get away with it, but decided to change it to a joke later.

I think that the claim was made with scum knowledge about the setup in setup #2 because of the things being claimed.
I think that Meg's claim was designed to get reactions--in hindsight, I shouldn't have claimed because it got the reaction it was looking for (I could've pushed Meg without claiming so probably should've but oh well, is too late now, hindsight 20/20), but I think that the claim was made basically as a way of testing the waters and seeing if Meg could fish out extra information about the town in game #2.

But more than that.

I don't think that a town-Meg in game two actually makes the joke in the first place.
At least not with being serious in game #1.

If Meg were joking in

both

games, I could see it as

maybe

not indicative of game alignment (altho I feel the need to emphasize that I don't think Meg would joke), but the claim in game #1 looks to be dead serious and is actually a thing that I would fully expect to be a very real role Jingle would put into a Normal. So I frankly wouldn't believe that the roleclaim in game#1 is a joke.

So if the roleclaim in game #1 isn't a joke, why would the claim in the second game be a joke?

I genuinely think that the claim came from a position of both scum information, and scum agenda, in that it was designed to try and further the scum wincon in game #2.

Mega's claim there is very scummy for both games if that's what you're basing this off of

I think Meg implied that their claim was not serious

Having seen that it was implied and not actually explicitly stated, I am again reminding you that Meg is like 200% scum in game #2.

Also, "Simple Roleblocker" is a dumb role if you think about

Well it can't block VTs or Goons but it can still block scum PRs. That's precisely the type of role that I think Jingle puts in a Normal and the precise "Yeah this is a Jingle role" to the claim in game #1 is why I think that MegAzumarill's claim in game #2 was not in fact the joke people assume it to be.

They didn't even claim to be town in Game B so the rush to counterclaim is weird

Look I saw 'bulletproof', 'game 2', and '100% serious' (those words specifically, and nothing else in the post), and instantly saw red.

As in, MegAzumarill being red.

So given that I had a very limited amount of time and my phone makes posting the most frustrating borderline-impossible-yet-I-still-try thing in the world, I wasn't going to wait; I was going to make it clear that Meg was full of shit.

um. meg said it was a joke claim.

Having read Meg's posts?

Didn't happen. Not explicitly.

And the way it hasn't happened is explicitly part of the problem.

It doesn't matter even if MegAzumarill chimes in now and goes "Um, yeah, I was obviously joking?" explicitly--the drawn out way of implying it wasn't serious combined with my feelings on Meg's claim in general means that Meg is scum in game #2 anyway.

Btw since I am now home, I

can

fullclaim.
In Game #2, I'm an Activated Combined Bulletproof Miller (it's not called that in my role PM, but that's what the role boils down to being in effect, can paraphrase the flavor if people

really

want me to).
As in, I can activate a Bulletproof every single night; if I do so, I become a Miller that night.
The Miller though specifies that I do not appear as town to an alignment investigation. Meaning that I

should

be a Miller to precisely one role and would appear town to all others.
I should appear as "not scum" to an alignment cop who receives results in the form of "scum/not scum";
I should appear as "does not have a gun" to a gunsmith;
I should appear as "cannot kill" to a psychiatrist;
I should appear as "has not killed" to a detective;
I should not show as visiting anyone to a tracker (maybe maybe MAYBE self-visiting, depending on whether the Activation counts, but I don't

think

it does);
I should not show as visiting anyone to a follower (maybe maybe MAYBE 'protective', depending on whether the Activation counts, but I don't

think

it does);
You get the idea.

I can't become

conftown

in game #2 while using the bulletproof, which I assume is to prevent someone from doing follow the cop and making me an invincible conftown in game #2.

But it shouldn't be an issue--I am pretty damn obviously town anyway, so like. While I can't become

conftown

while using the BP, I

can

become

basically

conftown. (And if you doubt me, you can in fact use those other roles to investigate me and confirm me, altho it would explicitly be a waste. I am painfully obviously town here so like. Your actions are better used in

actually

narrowing down who the scum are.)

I

wanted

to claim the Miller initially, but I couldn't do so without making the Bulletproof worthless. Scum aren't going to shoot a Miller because towns usually policy-eliminate Millers before lylo given that Millers cannot be confirmed as town. I figured that it wouldn't be an issue given that I should show as a guilty to specifically one and ONLY one role and not a guilty to literally all others, and because I am pretty damn obviously town.

Claiming the bulletproof on D1 when I wasn't intending to is a bit unfortunate, but I'll take a free dead scum in game #2 over the

possibility

(not guarantee) of being shot N1 in game #2.

Mastina I'd love you to explain what made you Sr me in game B

Well basically your play screams scum in 2/3 games through and through and has since the beginning and still does.

And your way of handling game B makes it very strongly look like scum in game #2.

Also if you think there's some truth to my claims why would you try to lim a PR.

It's a bit unfortunate, but if the cost of a dead scum D1 in game #2 is the loss of a very weak situational PR in game #1, I'll take the trade. Ideally you don't want to sacrifice one towngame for the sake of another towngame, but on D1, we're probably going to

have

to--unless there's a player scum in both games 1 AND 2 (which is doubtful), we can't eliminate scum in one without eliminating town in another.

It'll obviously be different on D2 onward, but as far as I can tell, there's no way with the vote thresholds identical to eliminate in game one without eliminating in game two and vice versa. So we will ALWAYS lose a town in ONE game in order to kill a scum the other on D1.

Eliminating scum D1 in a mini theme usually beats eliminating scum D1 in a mini Normal to me, so...

VOTE: Ircher
VOTE: MegAzumarill
(tempted to leave the Ircher vote on all three honestly)

My vote's going to either be on MegAzumarill or Ircher--those are the only acceptable votes imo.

Also I'd it wasn't obvious I'm not seriously claiming in either remaining game

I'm dead serious.

MegAzumarill is scum in game #2.
Ircher is scum with MegAzumarill in game #2 and might be scum in game #1.

Given that, though, I'm actually going to:
VOTE: Ircher

Chance to kill scum in 2/2 games > basically guaranteed 1/2.

We should 100% be eliminating one of MegAzumarill or Ircher for the remaining games as they're basically guaranteed scum here.

I'd love mastina to explain it and why specifically in game B

Because you're not playing as scum in 3/3 games but are playing as scum in 2/3 and your play matches scum in game #2 better than it does in game #1.

Is anyone going to point out I am being voted out by the demon lord

I saw it--I don't care.

The demon lord did not surprise!-lolhammer you.

As that's the optimal play for an obviously scum role, that means any other usage of it is suboptimal.

In fact, the usage of it on you is actually damning for you.

If the scum wanted to use the Demon Lord to kill a town player, they should've waited until a town player was at L-1 and used the demon lord then.

Using it before a player is at L-1 thus means that scum are instead opting to let the town know about it--and by having it vote you, that's wifom to dissuade people from voting you.

In other words: the vote on you from the demon lord is actually proof that you're scum.

I lean towards you being scum in game 2 based on how you felt compelled to counterclaim a joke claim.

That was not a joke claim from Meg, and I've explained why it was not a joke claim.

Plus, you fucking KNOW my meta.

You fucking KNOW I wouldn't counterclaim a role as scum;

You fucking KNOW I WOULD counterclaim a role as town seeing it and rushing to do so--because I've done so before.

A claim as outrageous as the one Meg made doesn't require an explicit "it's a joke". I understand that reading jokes isn't your forte; it isn't mine either, but you really can't be using this as the primary basis for your read on Meg. (Also, in before you use this to reinforce your associative read on us.)

I'm not.

The claim isn't a joke not because it was serious.

It's not a joke because it was still

tactical

. It wasn't made without rhyme or reason. It was

deliberate

. It wasn't whimsy, it wasn't something done spontaneously. It was done

strategically

.

And THAT is why it is scum.

And using the role to vote a player and give away the scum extra vote without hammering is using it suboptimally--it means that every town player should treat L-2 as if it were L-1 and thus force extra caution, meaning the scum vote is basically worthless.

You're also assuming that the vote comes from scum.

An unannounced unclaimed vote on the lead wagon?

Seems a fairly safe bet to me!

Scum might vote themselves to "clear" themselves, or maybe they would in fact use it on a townie.

If they were going to use it on a townie, they'd use it as a hammer.

From experience, I know that when scum have an extra vote and

don't

use it as a hammer, they almost ALWAYS use it to vote themselves to try and make themselves look more town.

Speaking of which:
VOTE: MegAzumarill
Back to voting here.

My play in game #3 showing proof that I'm not playing towards scum in any of the games?

You said it yourself: just because you flip town in one game has very little bearing on your alignment in the other games.

That's basically the opposite of what I've been saying?

Players' play in all games is influenced by their alignment in all of the games.

Someone flipping scum in one game can, situationally: clear them in the remaining games (House, T3), or have no bearing on their alignment in the other games (RR, MegAzumarill).

Players' play in games is a reflection of their alignment in

all

of the games.

mastina thats still not a reason to why I'm scum.

It isn't slam-dunk in of itself but piled onto this

still

not being your town meta, combined with everything else, it's a fairly safe bet!

You are NOT playing to your town meta--even after having flipped scum in game three.

Therefore, you are scum in at least 1/2 of the remaining games.

You made a joke claim that was not a joke specifically for game #2 (compared to the far more plausible role from game #1).

You have a scum vote on you when the optimal usage of a scum vote is to hammer a townie and using it before a hammer is almost always meant as "scum are voting this person, we should not vote them" when said person is usually just scum, using the vote to try and dissuade a wagon on them.

Ircher has basically been hard-defending you from the onset from my accusation in spite of the accusation already having proven to be correct in game 3 and continues to do so even now.

It adds up.

mastina is demon lord
Likely personal

Proven false by voting timings btw. You can look at the VCs and see that my vote was on MegAzumarill way way way WAY before the Demon Lord vote appeared--and in fact, the Demon Lord vote appeared during a time I was offline pretty sure. (I'd need to doublecheck that.)

Why is mastina assuming that it is a scum ability?

Why don't you try reading my posts to find out? I already explained why, so if you're not being a lazy bum and actually read my posts you'd be able to find out precisely why I am assuming it is. (I'd link it to you right now, but no--I'm a vindicative bitch. It's there. And if you didn't know it was there, that's proof you haven't read my posts. So I'm not going to give you the precise post so you're forced to read all of mine to find out.)

Jokes are so suspicious these days. *Looks at MegA*

From some players and on some things, unironically yes.

MegAzumarill is not the type of person to make that joke as town and even if Meg was, then the TYPE of joke and the content of it makes it come from scum.

OK.. now, please give me a summary (and I emphasize on the word

summary

) of why Meg and/or Ircher are scum in either game. NO WALLPOSTING FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE IN. Just a short paragraph on each.

Meg is scum because this isn't Meg's towngame and the Demon Lord vote on Meg is scum voting scum; read my bloody posts to find out why;
Ircher is scum because Ircher has been defending Meg from the getgo--from my very first suspicion on Meg, Ircher has come to Meg's defense. Also, this isn't Ircher's towngame.

What does this even mean?? How does scum play change between the two games when we don't even know what the exact setup on either is??

You said not to answer it but I will answer it partially anyway.

Players can still show differences in the different games by their overall vibes and treatment and what they are pushing/doing in which games. In the case of MegAzumarill, it manifested in the "joke" claim post most strongly. All of Meg's posts say "scum in one game, town in another", but the joke post served as a distinguishing factor solving for which was which. Add in the Demon Lord vote being scum voting Meg to try and dissuade us from wagoning Meg and you get even more.

I went into even further detail on my Meg read post-flip, after I trueclaimed. (Too lazy to trim this down to just the Meg sections but look in here.)

Spoiler: I REALLY didn't want to spoiler this because I REALLY wanted y'all to read it all but I ended up quoting enough that I think I need it, sadly

I was expecting to get different alignments from different games but I ended up with basically the same thing in all three games.

"basically the same", but not THE same. Because game #2 I am a survivor, that needs scum dead in a way that makes it basically a Town Survivor, just...not technically town.

Did you roll Scum with House in setup 1 or 2??

I'm not scum at all.

Notice that in response to Almost50, I didn't say "I'm town in all 3 games"; I said "I'm not scum at all". Because I

couldn't

say I was town in all 3 games because technically speaking I'm not even though the type of nontown I am is basically town anyway.

I said I wasn't scum at all because I'm in fact, not scum in any game.

BTW I can doubly prove that I am not scum in all 3 games.

The first proof is that I didn't know that this this game had secret alts or readable pts as a Mechanic.

Because my role pm was just three roles, no account info at all.

The second proof?

I am phoneposting at work.

I work 4//7 days.

With a phone that is glitchy.
It literally keeps spazzing out, proof being: this post.

I can't be any scum accounts which posts while I am at work.

Here is a (I corrected the phone-induced errors of the original) hard-'town'slip. (It's not a townslip because I'm not town but I don't have a better term to use. It's like an anti-scumslip in that it's proof that I cannot be scum, but not proof that I am town.)

Basically, I was at work, posting with the game open for the first time, on my phone.

I saw people referencing secret alts and scum/masons, with them being able to post in a PT. (I was additionally under the impression that said PT(s) were public, readable by people not able to post in it.)

I, mistakenly, believed that to be something that applied to all three games.

As in, game #2 and game #1 would

also

have secret alts for the scumteam.

This is, apparently, not actually the case--which I would know if I had drawn scum in either game 1 or game 2.

But I didn't know that the secret alts were a specific mechanic to game #3 because I drew uninformed in all three games.

Once more, though, you may note the usage: "prove that I am not scum", rather than 'prove that I am town'.
Because, if it was necessary, I wanted to leave it open for the chance for me to claim 3p if need be, if either of the two claim-conditions happened to come true (which the second one did).

What IS the plan here?

Kill all the scum in all the games, get a triple town win.

I didn't say that *I* was town here, I just said that I wanted a triple town win from killing all the scum in all the games. Which is true; I want all the scum dead in all the games and that should generate a triple town win since I can in fact win with the town in spite of technically not being town due to basically still being town.

And it should be painfully obvious that, no, I do not in fact have alt account access. And that, no, I do not have any scumgames here.

I don't have any scumgames here, but I didn't say "I have 3 towngames". (Since again, technically not a towngame even tho it pragmatically speaking is one.)

Phoneposting, so I'll have more to say when home, but:
2:

I an hard counterclaiming bulletproof in game two.

So Meg is scum there, too. I can and will explain when home.
VOTE: MegAzumarill

BTW I should mention in the mini theme, my role has two parts. One part, I'd normally claim on D1, but due to the other half, I cannot. Basically, one half of my role loses utility if I claim either it or the other half, even though I normally would claim it. Phoneposting and this game's not my top priority right now, but I hope to post again later tonight.

Guess what role loses value when claimed? Bulletproof!
The other half is a very specific type of miller tho. I can explain better when not bloody phoneposting from a shitty ass glitchy phone.

I was hoping to draw a night kill in game two from not claiming either the bp or miller (because scum aren't going to shoot a miller), but hey, if Meg is going to out themselves as scum by claiming my role, I'll take dead scum over a failed shot on me.

um. meg said it was a joke claim.

Well I didn't read that far. I was reading offline and saw Meg claim my role, so I instantly logged in to counterclaim.
Vote stays as I think Meg is still scum even with a retraction of "it a s a joke".

Can explain when home why I think that Meg is scum in game two.
Suffice to say, you can fuck off if you think that I am scum in any of the games.
I'm not.

Mastina feels weird. It's like her posts don't have much depth.

"don't have much depth", my

ass

.

This is literally deeper reads than is physically possible in any other game.

Like, in any other game, you're reading things off of just the one game.

Here I am literally generating reads on

three

different games.

And I am giving reads and reasons for

all

of them.
I don't have the perfect ability to break down

every

game down game by game--but I'm as close as damn fucking possible on D1 of 2/3 of the games.

Reads don't get deeper than that.

In what way do you think they're shallow? Because I can fucking explain each and every single read I've got and surprise surprise! So far, most of my reads have been right in game three! And they are probably right in the other games more than they aren't, because I'm pretty fucking sure that this game's mechanic is the type of thing that I am MADE for solving. That I EXCEL at figuring out.

I'm also literally putting in more effort here than I've ever put into a game before--my

intention

was to draw the scum nightkill in game two, but failing that, I can still be nightkilled in game one, because I am being just that town. And yet, the scum can't actually shut me up, because I can't die in game two. Which is why I felt extra incentivized to try hard here. I can't die in game two, meaning that I can't TRULY die in ANY of the games, meaning that scum cannot get rid of me. (Well, barring a scum strongman in game two, which if it exists...shit. Hopefully not tho. )

So you can fuck off with calling my reads lacking depth--they have more depth in

this

game than they have

ever

had in ANY prior game of mine.

mastina is town in precisely 2/3 games.

Do you think that because you are scum in 2/3 and town in the third and thus you know me to be town in the two you are scum and are guessing the inverse for the game you aren't scum?

'Cause that's what this looks like to me!

I am a

Bulletproof (other words I didn't read)

In Game B
I am 100% serious.

For the record--this is what I saw before I stopped reading on my phone to log in. I didn't even read the entirety of the claim.

I just saw 'bulletproof' and '100% serious' and INSTANTLY scrolled up to hit the login button to counterclaim because there was no fucking chance in hell of there being two bulletproofs in a mini game in my opinion.

Even with it apparently being a joke, I think that Meg's scum

anyway

. There's multiple reasons for this. I've not read the game thread yet so not sure how the "it was a joke" came up, but. I don't think it was actually meant as a joke. I think that Meg was genuinely trying to get away with it, but decided to change it to a joke later.

I think that the claim was made with scum knowledge about the setup in setup #2 because of the things being claimed.

I think that Meg's claim was designed to get reactions--in hindsight, I shouldn't have claimed because it got the reaction it was looking for (I could've pushed Meg without claiming so probably should've but oh well, is too late now, hindsight 20/20), but I think that the claim was made basically as a way of testing the waters and seeing if Meg could fish out extra information about the town in game #2.

I genuinely think that the claim

came from a position of both scum information

, and scum agenda, in that it was designed to try and further the scum wincon in game #2.

Here, it takes some explaining, but: basically, I saw MegAzumarill claim a third party and claim bulletproof and my thought instantly jumped to, "MegAzumarill is scum in game #2 who has TMI" and was thus not joking.

I was in fact planning to draw nightkills in game #2 (again, being bulletproof and being basically a town survivor that needs scum dead, drawing scum kills to me is a GOOD thing because they couldn't kill me and it'd put the town in a better position). However, I saw MegAzumarill's claim as hard proof that Meg was informed scum in game #2.

You may notice again: "I'm not scum in any of the games". I'm in fact not scum in any of the games! But I didn't say town in all of them because while I might be basically-town in game #2 I am technically not town.

There was in fact depth to my reads tho because I was dead serious in all of them. I, again, was attempting to get

nightkilled

in game #2. As a bulletproof, who needs scum dead in order to win, I needed to be playing as if I was town and furthering the town wincon. Meaning that I needed to be as town as I've ever been before, townier than that in fact.

I do think that Ircher also TMI'd tho--Ircher said, "mastina is town in precisely 2/3 of the games". That was in fact right. But why those words instead of "mastina is scum in 1/3 of the games"? It feels like Ircher was saying exactly what he meant to say because he knew it'd be exactly the truth. He can point to 418 and say he was 100% correct--but him being 100% correct is actually

the problem

. He

shouldn't

have had any inkling of me being non-town-but-not-scum in game #2. Because again, I was powertowning, more than I've ever towned before.

Please explain to the class why a TOWN PLAYER IN GAME THREE would "intend" to tell the scum they are not a Mason??

As part of clearing me across all three games.

So basically.

I did not know about the mechanics in game #3 of there being secret alts on masons and mafias.

I thus also did not know that the mechanic was specific to

game three

.

I was on my phone at the time, so I couldn't delve into checking things more closely.

So I assumed that I, via not being scum in any of the games, had missed a core game mechanic where

every

scum/mason in

every

game had a secret alt and a public PT to talk in.

Under that assumption, I could clear myself as being not scum in any of the three games by specifying that I did not receive any alt account info or PT links in my role PMs. The process would, unfortunately, out me as not a mason in game #3...but the process would

also

conftown me across all three games, and conftowning myself across all three games is something I valued more than the chance of scum shooting me wrongly as a mason in game #3.

Now, granted. Apparently, that assumption was wrong. There are not scum alt accounts for each game with a public scum PT in each of the games. But on my phone at the time, I had no way of

knowing

it was wrong.

This is me explaining the townslip (well, slip of not being scum) further, but note again that I used 'not scum in any game', because I am in fact: not scum in any game!

Mega's claim there is very scummy for both games if that's what you're basing this off of

I think Meg implied that their claim was not serious

Having seen that it was implied and not actually explicitly stated, I am again reminding you that Meg is like 200% scum in game #2.

Again, I thought that Meg was TMI'ing in game #2 with the claim and was trying to bait me out.

They didn't even claim to be town in Game B so the rush to counterclaim is weird

Look I saw 'bulletproof', 'game 2', and '100% serious' (those words specifically, and nothing else in the post), and instantly saw red.

As in, MegAzumarill being red.

So given that I had a very limited amount of time and my phone makes posting the most frustrating borderline-impossible-yet-I-still-try thing in the world, I wasn't going to wait; I was going to make it clear that Meg was full of shit.

um. meg said it was a joke claim.

Having read Meg's posts?

Didn't happen. Not explicitly.

And the way it hasn't happened is explicitly part of the problem.

It doesn't matter even if MegAzumarill chimes in now and goes "Um, yeah, I was obviously joking?" explicitly--the drawn out way of implying it wasn't serious combined with my feelings on Meg's claim in general means that Meg is scum in game #2 anyway.

Btw since I am now home, I

can

fullclaim.
In Game #2, I'm an Activated Combined Bulletproof Miller (it's not called that in my role PM, but that's what the role boils down to being in effect, can paraphrase the flavor if people

really

want me to).
As in, I can activate a Bulletproof every single night; if I do so, I become a Miller that night.
The Miller though specifies that I do not appear as town to an alignment investigation. Meaning that I

should

be a Miller to precisely one role and would appear town to all others.
I should appear as "not scum" to an alignment cop who receives results in the form of "scum/not scum";
I should appear as "does not have a gun" to a gunsmith;
I should appear as "cannot kill" to a psychiatrist;
I should appear as "has not killed" to a detective;
I should not show as visiting anyone to a tracker (maybe maybe MAYBE self-visiting, depending on whether the Activation counts, but I don't

think

it does);
I should not show as visiting anyone to a follower (maybe maybe MAYBE 'protective', depending on whether the Activation counts, but I don't

think

it does);
You get the idea.

I can't become

conftown

in game #2 while using the bulletproof, which I assume is to prevent someone from doing follow the cop and making me an invincible conftown in game #2.

But it shouldn't be an issue--I am pretty damn obviously town anyway, so like. While I can't become

conftown

while using the BP, I

can

become

basically

conftown. (And if you doubt me, you can in fact use those other roles to investigate me and confirm me, altho it would explicitly be a waste. I am painfully obviously town here so like. Your actions are better used in

actually

narrowing down who the scum are.)

I

wanted

to claim the Miller initially, but I couldn't do so without making the Bulletproof worthless. Scum aren't going to shoot a Miller because towns usually policy-eliminate Millers before lylo given that Millers cannot be confirmed as town. I figured that it wouldn't be an issue given that I should show as a guilty to specifically one and ONLY one role and not a guilty to literally all others, and because I am pretty damn obviously town.

Claiming the bulletproof on D1 when I wasn't intending to is a bit unfortunate, but I'll take a free dead scum in game #2 over the

possibility

(not guarantee) of being shot N1 in game #2.

Here I again explain why I thought that Meg TMI'd as being scum in game #2.

Beyond that, I laid out a modified version of my trueclaim.

I am not actually a miller, obviously.
But what I said there remains true:
I should appear as "not scum" to an alignment cop who receives results in the form of "scum/not scum";
I should appear as "does not have a gun" to a gunsmith;
I should appear as "cannot kill" to a psychiatrist;
I should appear as "has not killed" to a detective;
I should not show as visiting anyone to a tracker (maybe maybe MAYBE self-visiting, depending on whether the Activation counts, but I don't think it does);
I should not show as visiting anyone to a follower (maybe maybe MAYBE 'protective', depending on whether the Activation counts, but I don't think it does).

All of those remain true because they are all actually true--I'm still basically town here. I show as the town result to almost every investigation, I'm not groupscum, I require scum to be dead in order to win, for all intents and purposes, I'm basically just town. Just, technically am not town due to technically not being town.

DID I NOT FUCKING HARD TOWNSLIP BY NOT BEING AWARE OF THE FUCKING NATURE OF THE SCUM/MASONS IN GAME THREE.
DID I NOT FUCKING TELL YOU YOU FUCKERS COULD FUCK OFF IF YOU THOUGHT I WAS SCUM BECAUSE I NEVER FUCKING AM.

So fuck off with accusations of me being scum EVER again and hammering me when I'm fucking sleeping.

I again say "never am scum" here, because I'm not, but don't say 'always town', because that'd have been a lie.

I did fuck up in 1030 in saying 'town in all 3' tho.
I genuinely

meant

to say 'not scum', probably was too angry to notice the slip-up in breadcrumbing so I apologize for that.

I agree with ircher bigly

Fuck off, Dwlee.

I'm ticked enough that I got eliminated in ONE game.

I'm not going down when I have been putting in more effort than ever before in all three games.

Not a breadcrumb per se but this shows my mindset here:

I am not power-efforting scum; I am in fact, basically town in all three games (even though I am technically not town).

And there is some survivalism involved--because, natch, am a Survivor.

Mastina, town won because of T3's misfire.

Yes but I didn't know that when I was posting. I do now. But I didn't.

And just because they won doesn't mean I cannot be fucking pissed that you fucking mislimmed me while I was sleeping that game--it is a show of a (lack of) integrity.

Also need I remind you that I am at, what, L-2 now in both remaining games?

From "mastina is scum in 1/3 games" 'logic' that nobody backs up because there isn't any fucking logic had in a bullshit statement like that which goes contrary to everything?

I still have a right to be fucking furious here and I am enacting that right until the only votes on me are from scum.

This remains true but was another further hint at my role, in case I needed to claim it. (Which, thanks to the result, I do.)

Love getting cursed at for... winning

I have the right to curse at you for fucking voting me out both in game three and AFTER SEEING THAT I WAS TOWN THERE then deciding to vote me in BOTH THE REMAINING GAMES.

In spite of, yaknow.

Maybe.

Just maybe.

My play in game #3 showing proof that I'm not playing towards scum in any of the games?

I've been solving

all three

games from the

onset

. I've not been solving one game; I've been solving ALL of them. My reads are cross-game applying to ALL of them. So if you see me fucking flip town in game 3 after being fucking wrong there and then go on to proceed to VOTE ME IN BOTH REMAINING GAMES, I do in fact get to say:

Fuck. off.

Here I again say "not scum" (because I'm not) rather than "town" (because I'm technically not).

You're town in precisely two because you are doing your standard wallposts, but at the same time, I can see you are pushing an agenda.

The agenda was attempting to get fucking nightkilled in game #2 by being fucking bulletproof and knowing that, via being bulletproof in game #2, I couldn't truly die in either of the other two. As in, due to being bulletproof in game #2, I couldn't have my voice removed in game #1.

The

only

way to get rid of me would be via town idiocy in fucking eliminating a fucking BULLETPROOF. (That or a scum strongman but like--forcing scum to use the strongman > doing the fucking scum's work for them.)

The question is which game of 1/2 you are town in and which one you are scum in.

I'm not scum in ANY of the games because I fucking hard-townslipped in a way that I was fucking incapable of doing if I were scum.

I lean towards you being scum in game 2 based on how you felt compelled to counterclaim a joke claim.

That was not a joke claim from Meg, and I've explained why it was not a joke claim.

Even if you believe this, it is still pretty poor form to immediately jump to counterclaim. You could have waited until you knew all the facts; it wasn't like you were in danger or anything.

This critique is proof that Ircher does not believe I am actually scum.

A claim as outrageous as the one Meg made doesn't require an explicit "it's a joke". I understand that reading jokes isn't your forte; it isn't mine either, but you really can't be using this as the primary basis for your read on Meg. (Also, in before you use this to reinforce your associative read on us.)

I'm not.

The claim isn't a joke not because it was serious.

It's not a joke because it was still

tactical

. It wasn't made without rhyme or reason. It was

deliberate

. It wasn't whimsy, it wasn't something done spontaneously. It was done

strategically

.

And THAT is why it is scum.

First, you are assuming scum are playing optimally.

Yeah and if I was scum in game #2 no fucking shit I'd use the role optimally.

And using the role to vote a player and give away the scum extra vote without hammering is using it suboptimally--it means that every town player should treat L-2 as if it were L-1 and thus force extra caution, meaning the scum vote is basically worthless

Here you get more hints. I again emphasize "not scum in any game", rather than "town in all 3 games", and I again point out Ircher's TMI and why I thought Meg had TMI. (I was wrong on Meg having TMI but I believe I am right on Ircher having had TMI in his read on me--he had me as 'not town', but his posts didn't indicate he thought I was scum, thus, he correctly identified me as 3p when he should not have been able to as town.)

I'll say that the agenda remains true; my agenda is to survive game #2 and kill all the scum because I can't win with them pretty much.

And I have been playing to my fucking town meta in ALL of them because guess what? Not scum in any of them.

That I wasn't playing with an agenda was already proven in game #3.

It would also be proven if I was fucking mislimmed in both games 1 and 2 because I am not fucking scum in all three and transparently so.

This remains true; I am not scum in any of the games and transparently so.

I am playing to my town meta in all three games, because while I'm technically not town in all 3, I'm

basically

town in all three.

I will say that I very strongly believed Meg to be scum TMI'ing in game #2 and wanted to eliminate Meg to basically hard-clear myself. If Meg flipped scum in game #2, then it'd clear me from being scum, meaning that people couldn't pull the bullshit "mastina is lying about being 3p" because I bloody killed scum.

Which, by the way, I can still do in the form of Dwlee and probably Ircher.

It's a bit of a cheap strategy, I admit, but I am NOT letting myself be mislimmed, so literally any (technically legal) trick I can use, I will.

The motivation for this should be obvious:

As a survivor, I need to survive.
As not scum, I have an easy way to mostly prove I am not scum.
As such, I resorted to this in order to avoid my elimination.

(And yes, I did feel the need to resort to this. I am not being eliminated as a fucking bulletproof again. It's happened before and I am determined to make it never happen again. I could have obviously cleared myself if Meg flipped scum, but since Meg did not, I need to find and eliminate an actual scum in order to actually clear myself.)

Here I laid out my strategy and basically said: "I'm not dieing as third party again". (As a reminder, last time I claimed 3p I got modkilled but I know Jingle's a lot more laxed on rules than unwnd so the fear is more from the town than the wrath of mod.) I laid out my plan, my strategy, to clear myself of being scum by having eliminated scum. It'd not eliminate paranoia of me being malevolent 3p but it'd guarantee that people would see me as not-groupscum at the very least.

Mastina you're angleshooting very hard and I think it is in poor taste regardless of your alignment here

Poor taste? Sure! But it's not against the rules.
And playing to my wincon > having good taste.

As long as its not a violation of site rules, I'm obligated to try and do everything to win. And angleshooting to conftown myself is doing precisely that.

Being mislimmed as a BP is the only losecon I can see, so avoiding it at all costs is playing to win.

Here I basically was claiming my real role anyway. I am obligated to do everything to win--as a Survivor, that means being confirmed as not groupscum is playing to my wincon. Being eliminated (which, to be clear, is still a mislim because

I am not scum

, I'm basically town even if I'm technically not because I require scum to be dead in order to win meaning that I am playing to the town wincon and thus, eliminating me IS a mislim!) obviously causes a Survivor to lose, so...

I SHOULD be obvtown by play.
I CAN'T pull this shit off as scum.
I DID hard townslip.
But in spite of this being THE TOWNIEST I'VE EVER BEEN, I'm STILL at risk of being mislimmed as a fucking bulletproof, who scum CAN'T kill, barring them burning a strongman.
So damn right I'm going to use EVERY tool in my arsenal to avert that.

More laying out that I am not scum and am playing to the town wincon.

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

MegAzumarill (E-0):

Demon Lord

, House, mastina, CheekyTeeky, T3, Radical Rat, Dwlee99

So I'm a wagon analyzer (what I've called it) and my result was that the wagon had 4 alignment differences between voters on MegA. I'm just trying to confirm if it includes demon lord, but that's a pretty colourful wagon ^.^

I'm too tired to do proper analysis here but I think that this conftowns House, barring a town Demon Lord claim. (Since a Demon Lord won't claim tho, House should be conftown from it.)

From there, the options for the remaining three are:
-House->me->Cheeky (2/3) (would require me to not be town tho obv and still would leave a final alignment change--for instance, if the change was at RR then RR and Dwlee would both be scum; if the change was at Dwlee then Dwlee would be scum)
-me->Cheeky->T3 (2/3) (would require Cheeky to not be town tho in spite of this being Cheeky giving the result--seems kinda ridiculous)
-Cheeky->T3->RR->Dwlee (3/3) (would mean T3 and Dwlee are scum I think?)

I might not be thinking of all the possibilities but my townreads on T3/Dwlee do not override the chance of there being scum there.

I'm pretty sure that if you assume Cheeky is town here, then the only possible nontown are {mastina, T3, Dwlee} here?

Again, might be not thinking, should be more lucid to give it a better thought runthrough.

But I think that regardless, Dwlee might be confscum here?
VOTE: Dwlee99
Not sure, feel free to correct me, am tired, not thinking at full capacity, but I think that it has to fit regardless of your thoughts elsewhere.

So T3 or RR likely middle scum. House could be scum and Dwlee definitely scum.

I might be overlooking in my tiredness the RR scum world, I can't figure the math out there right now but that's probably where I am flawed in thinking.

At this point, I was already committing to claiming my status as third party, I just wanted Dwlee as scum dead first because if Dwlee died and flipped scum, that'd be the time for me to out myself.

But with Dwlee admitting they're scum, that moved up the timetable from "after the D2 elimination on Dwlee" to right now.

And to be clear, I do in fact know that Dwlee

must

be confscum. Even if they didn't confess, by knowing I'm 2/4 of the alignment changes, and with the Demon Lord as a third, that meant that the fourth must mean Dwlee was scum.

With the demon lord voting MegAzumarill, the plan was to eliminate Meg in game two, but

not

game one.

Ircher fucked that up tho.

[mastina]

Why did you give me mostly information about Game B when we are in presumably ELo in Game A?

The games are intricately linked together. We have no information from game #1 aside from Ircher, as town, hammered Meg there unnecessarily (which, with him being town, was a fuckup because Meg should NOT have been hammered in game 1).

Beyond that, the only info we have?

RCEnigma died N1, for ??? reasons.

Amy Dunne, in spite of her strongest scumread being House (proven town by D3), was killed N2 in spite of my scumread there, for ??? reasons.

And now, I was killed. This one, not quite as ???; I have my thoughts as to why.

But we literally have nothing specific to game #1--not from PRs, not from flips, not from votes.

All we have is the intricate link between the games. We can look at disparities in play/focus between games; we can look at players showing signs of being two different alignments in two different games; we can look at players and see that they are town in all three or scum in all three. Game 2 is directly tied to game 1 in that information from game 2 is not irrelevant to game 1. The two games are directly influenced by one another.

The game info from game 2 is thus pertinent to game 1. And we have a

lot

more info about game 2 than game 1. So we can extrapolate data from game 1 to apply the conclusions from it to game 1.

[mastina]

What are your current reads regarding both games individually?

Well in game 2:

If T3 is scum, Radical Rat is scum, too--a T3 scumflip would give us all three scum in game 2. However, a T3 townflip would take us dangerously close to mylo. (By my count, we have 9 alive right now. Once night ends, it'll presumably go down to 8. Since mylo is 6, if T3 flipped town...)

If Radical Rat is town, then T3 must be town--a Radical Rat townflip would conftown T3. However, the cost of this clear would be placing us in mylo.

If Radical Rat is scum, then T3 could be either town or scum--but we go into 6 players with only 1 scum left, which is pretty good.

If Radical Rat is town, then the scumteam

should

be {Dunnstral, Amy Dunne} in game 2--I don't think that House can be scum with Dunnstral via the wagon analyzer result (The Demon Lord

must

count for the purposes of that result, and while Dunnstral says it doesn't have an alignment, we have only his word of that. If Dunnstral is scum, his claim is most likely to prevent himself from being confscum'd from the wagon analyzer, which would indicate House as town), and Amy Dunne's play indicates she's not scum with House.

Meaning that if Radical Rat flips town, then the only possible scum are Dunnstral and Amy Dunne to me.

If Radical Rat flips scum, then the last scum could be any of {T3, House, Dunnstral, Amy Dunne}.

So I think that the optimal elimination in game #2 is Radical Rat, to give us the most info.

When it comes to game #1:
I think that Almost50/Titus is town in all games. A50 was town by play and Titus is also town by play.
I think that CheekyTeeky is town in all games. Her play is basically identical in game 2 and 1.
I think that Lady Chloe is town in all games, since Taly's play here is clearly gamesolvey in a way I just don't think is Taly as scum.

That leaves only four possibilities:
{Dwlee99, T3, Radical Rat, Dunnstral}.
Dwlee claimed town in game 1 and scum in game 2. I believe this claim to have a fairly high chance of being correct.

T3 has a very high chance of being scum in all three games or at least scum in 2/3 games.

Radical Rat has a decent chance of being scum in all three games or at least scum in 2/3 games--I specifically feel that Radical Rat is scum for sure in game #1 due to RR's push on me.

[Lady Chloe]

Amy, Mastina, House and I are all town in our remaining games.

[Lady Chloe]

Wait Apologies I don't have the bandwidth or time for this at the moment

[Dwlee99]

We should mass claim in game 1

I've had trouble separating game B TMI from game A reads which is why it's been rough for me to figure out game A

[Dwlee99]

Also cheeky's reads bad and think I may have been onto something with thinking they're scum game A

[Dunnstral]

Amy, Mastina, House and I are all town in our remaining games.

Mastina is 3rd party and I'm not scrambling to call Amy town

[Dunnstral]

I'm likely going to vote for Radical Rat before game B opens

[CheekyTeeky]

Also cheeky's reads bad and think I may have been onto something with thinking they're scum game A

Nice try Dwlee. I never kill mastina and Amy here lol.

[Dwlee99]

Also cheeky's reads bad and think I may have been onto something with thinking they're scum game A

Nice try Dwlee. I never kill mastina and Amy here lol.

Wdym nice try
What am I trying