Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Dunnstral]

We are Hirsute (werewolf miller)

Well Done is now Dunnstral.

For my iso because this game has a lot of replacements and is long.

[Dunnstral]

ah man, now I can't make a well done steak joke but Dunn can get flipped.

You're going to need to explain why

[Dunnstral]

so maybe my list looks something like

butterchurn
Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
catboi
bnuuy
mastina
Menalque
Ydrasse

with lesser suspicions of

Sword of Ducks
cassowary
MalcolmTucker
Klick

This seems gross to me

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: toogeloo
Good night.

Did you think toogeloo was scum?

[Dunnstral]

y didn't u eat?!?

Would cut into their posting time

[Dunnstral]

Why not claim before you die

[Dunnstral]

Everyone who we run up is either monk, mason, or town investigative, or some other power role

Except for bnuuy

[Dunnstral]

votecount 1.23

Toogeloo (11) | SCP 682, Ydrasse, Menalque, butterchurn, tictac, catboi, mastina, cassowary, Klick, Sword of Ducks, Save The Dragons

catboi (6) | MonkeyMan576, Nero Cain, Nashville Dreams, Flavor Leaf, Toogeloo, Cat Scratch Fever

MonkeyMan576 (1) | bnuuy, The Keeper
The Keeper (1) | Enchant
Flavor Leaf (1) | Dunnstral

Not Voting | MegAzumarill, MalcolmTucker, cassowary

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-09 09:41:00).

I am not currently voting toogeloo, waiting on Nashville

This was indeed pointed out already, Ydrasse has a point

[Dunnstral]

its the coy "i was town power... investigative" without claiming

If this were the case, I would have done it 4 hours ago.

Can you full claim your role before you die

[Dunnstral]

Everyone is so fucking scared to vote someone that has decreased scum odds that we're going to get the whole setup out before we settle somewhere.
There comes a point where it doesn't matter. There's more likely to be scum within the claims we've had so far than it is that they're all town. Id wager we're more likely to hit scum within the popular wagons we've run up so far than we are to hit scum outside of them.

You are right

[Dunnstral]

Everyone is so fucking scared to vote someone

says the guy vanity voting instead of hammering and moving the game along.

Explain your read on my slot

[Dunnstral]

Punting but I don't like their repeating of things I already answered but this again could be gamestate.

I thought you were ignoring things and didn't realize you had already answered because I did not see them and because you've done that sometimes so I thought it was happening again.

[Dunnstral]

but also like

hm

if fl claims he shot catboi then it's like

...

both factions failed to kill?

Important setup info:

In order to increase the value of day play in multiball, this game has more scum but fewer nightkills than the first game. The faction sizes are 14:4:4:1,

but each scumteam is only allowed to kill 2 nights out of each 3.

If a team submits kills nights 1 and 2, they may not kill night 3, and so on.

[Dunnstral]

Can the gunsmith claimers answer if their role works against the werewolf faction or only mafia

[Dunnstral]

Well, I can be checked by the other "gunsmith".

Gunsmiths show up as having guns.

[Dunnstral]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gunsmith

The Gunsmith is an information role that can target a player at Night to learn if they have a gun in flavor.

Members of the Mafia

(that are not Doctors), Cops, FBI Agents, Vigilantes,

other Gunsmiths

, Paranoid Gun Owners, etc. all have guns in traditional flavor. Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns.

[Dunnstral]

Might also be checking fl
2 be continued...

Yes. The person from masonry did check fl, and he does have a gun.
Is now also claiming 1 shot, which is new. Believes it doesn't conflict w monkeyman.
So **shrug**
VOTE: leaf

What are the chances that they're a werewolf? The person claiming gunsmith in your masonry

[Dunnstral]

this is literally the level 1 malefactor play btw

to fake a guilty on someone you think is town

there is actually 0 world that monkey goes and checks FL here over anyone else.


the narrative that he made up to check FL is frankly ridiculous + he is CCd by the masonry.

monkeyman is not the malefactor. Their claim was backed up by the gunsmith in the masonry. Malefactor wouldn't have knowledge of FL's claim. I believe that this at least substantiates monkeyman's claim.

Being cc'd by the masonry is another matter. I think it unlikely that monkeyman is a mafia who opened the day fake claiming onto somebody they would know to be town (due to monastery, and ignoring bussing for the moment).

It makes sense for Monkeyman to be either town or werewolf based on claim.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I believe that this is the correct elimination

[Dunnstral]

Might also be checking fl
2 be continued...

Yes. The person from masonry did check fl, and he does have a gun.
Is now also claiming 1 shot, which is new. Believes it doesn't conflict w monkeyman.
So **shrug**
VOTE: leaf

What are the chances that they're a werewolf? The person claiming gunsmith in your masonry

the change to claime did move up the possibility ngl.
why play w claims like that in the first place tho? there was 0 reason to.
i kinda doubt both them and monkey are tho.

It's not actually impossible for both players to be town here. Also not impossible for one to be a werewolf true claiming their role.

[Dunnstral]

I will conclude by saying that I don't think we should eliminate either of them. I don't think it is impossible for both to be town due to the setup having an element of randomization that I think could have allowed for this. In addition both are unlikely to be either mafia or malefactor due to their roles. (mason on one hand, gunsmith claim proven on the other hand. I guess mafia gunsmith isn't

impossible

but still). And of course malefactors have no reason to true claim as gunsmith and give results. Monkeyman did so at day start, the mysterious mason player did so during the last night phase

[Dunnstral]

I would need some convincing as to why he will flip scum and not town.

other than Mastina, they have had no reads, and they claimed a meme claim when put to e-1. They also seemed frustrated about being policied but didn't care to do anything else.

I am gut town reading Toogeloo, but it could be just anti Catboi scum team for me.

Day 2, hopefully I get vigged/night killed and I can just move on tbh.

I'm happy enough with my Day 1 reads where if I have 3/4 correct that's a success.

Weird thing to say if you're a vig in my opinion.

[Dunnstral]

the last not quite so normal had a mason vig btw so a monk vig would be a flipside version of that

Oh your monastory has a mafioso in it by the way.

And yet you're voting the gunsmith claim who saw someone in the monastery with a gun

I don't get it

[Dunnstral]

monkeyman is not the person in the masonry

[Dunnstral]

A Bookie aims to guess the following day's elimination. If they guess correctly, they gain a benefit (normally a nightkill).

From the wiki

[Dunnstral]

Look - we will have FL shoot mastina tonight

That is how we will prove it.

OK?

They spent hundreds of posts trying to eliminate the beloved princess instead of shooting her

[Dunnstral]

butterchurn
SCP 682
catboi

that means there is 6 scum in.


Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
MalcolmTucker
bnuuy
Klick
Menalque
Ydrasse
cassowary
mastina


monkeyman?


which means 5 of the people I find scummy are town.

mena is being a useless lurksack and doing nothing but whining about being scumread which is a bit lame but he's 50% less likely to be scum I think.

Ducks could be town I guess? or at least not mafia. My big issue with him was that he referred to bnuuny as "us" and town reading her. I felt like bnuuny was doing alot of active lurking in this game.

my Tucker suspicion is just that I don't remember anything he's done. I'll reread him and update at some point.

And MM is solely b/c I am worried that the guilty is an attempt to save Meg today.

If I remove these 4 which I'm less suspicious of I'm left with


butterchurn
SCP 682
catboi
Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
bnuuy
Klick
Ydrasse
cassowary
mastina

which is still 1 too many but I feel pretty good about this.

Why am I scum?

[Dunnstral]

but I'm not the one that's making the argument that low posters are scum. I just happen to suspect some players that have low post counts. What do you dislike my slot for then?

And why do you suspect those players?

[Dunnstral]

Are you calling me a low poster?

[Dunnstral]

Don't you usually not give a shit when I scumread you?

This is deflecting. Why are you against sharing this read?

[Dunnstral]

What happens if a beloved princess gets shot?

They die without triggering their ability.

I think that if flavor leaf were town they would have shot mastina.

[Dunnstral]

I think that bnuuy looks pretty bad based off of day 1 play including the scramble to vote out toog at the end

I agree that ydrasse' use of night actions is suspect, and I'm not sure why they made a show of claiming today. Why was one of their targets a player in the monastery? And why go for the bussing check right away, what if they were the same alignment, what would Ydrasse have said? Bussing or both town?

[Dunnstral]

Bnuuy i think is town by that metric; they kept getting run up as a counter wagon really fast

This is a good point

[Dunnstral]

Don't you usually not give a shit when I scumread you?

This is deflecting. Why are you against sharing this read?

not really. I can ask you questions b4 I talk about you.

I don't know how I usually respond when you scumread me. Are you trying to make a point?

[Dunnstral]

Does day get skipped if you get nightkilled?

Nope! Day does not get skipped if I'm nightkilled. It's day-death to day-skip.

[Dunnstral]

Can we stop the ego battling

[Dunnstral]

I thought CSF looked towny yesterday but it was a rather weak gut read and I haven't felt the same way about her posts today
I think CSF is probably fairly high scum equity and so if FL really doesn't die today then CSF is a decent place for the vote to fall.

I agree with this

[Dunnstral]

butterchurn come join us on csf

malcolm come join us on csf

nero

enchant come join us on csf

dunnstral do you have thoughts on csf

They have fallen off in activity and it's not beyond reason that they could be a member of an anti-town faction here. I don't have a strong read beyond that. I'm not really interested in compromising, though. If not FL it's going to be Nero for continuously sidestepping questions

[Dunnstral]

Everyone is so fucking scared to vote someone

says the guy vanity voting instead of hammering and moving the game along.

Explain your read on my slot

butterchurn
SCP 682
catboi

that means there is 6 scum in.


Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
MalcolmTucker
bnuuy
Klick
Menalque
Ydrasse
cassowary
mastina


monkeyman?


which means 5 of the people I find scummy are town.

mena is being a useless lurksack and doing nothing but whining about being scumread which is a bit lame but he's 50% less likely to be scum I think.

Ducks could be town I guess? or at least not mafia. My big issue with him was that he referred to bnuuny as "us" and town reading her. I felt like bnuuny was doing alot of active lurking in this game.

my Tucker suspicion is just that I don't remember anything he's done. I'll reread him and update at some point.

And MM is solely b/c I am worried that the guilty is an attempt to save Meg today.

If I remove these 4 which I'm less suspicious of I'm left with


butterchurn
SCP 682
catboi
Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
bnuuy
Klick
Ydrasse
cassowary
mastina

which is still 1 too many but I feel pretty good about this.

Why am I scum?

but I'm not the one that's making the argument that low posters are scum. I just happen to suspect some players that have low post counts. What do you dislike my slot for then?

And why do you suspect those players?

Don't you usually not give a shit when I scumread you?

This is deflecting. Why are you against sharing this read?

Don't you usually not give a shit when I scumread you?

This is deflecting. Why are you against sharing this read?

not really. I can ask you questions b4 I talk about you.

I don't know how I usually respond when you scumread me. Are you trying to make a point?

[Dunnstral]

No answer to 5235, 5724. 5731 is in response to nero listing multiple low posters as scum (around 6?) but can only explain a scumread on klick. No answer to 5742. No answer to 5759 after deflecting in 5751.

[Dunnstral]

butterchurn
SCP 682
catboi

that means there is 6 scum in.


Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
MalcolmTucker
bnuuy
Klick
Menalque
Ydrasse
cassowary
mastina


monkeyman?


which means 5 of the people I find scummy are town.

mena is being a useless lurksack and doing nothing but whining about being scumread which is a bit lame but he's 50% less likely to be scum I think.

Ducks could be town I guess? or at least not mafia. My big issue with him was that he referred to bnuuny as "us" and town reading her. I felt like bnuuny was doing alot of active lurking in this game.

my Tucker suspicion is just that I don't remember anything he's done. I'll reread him and update at some point.

And MM is solely b/c I am worried that the guilty is an attempt to save Meg today.

If I remove these 4 which I'm less suspicious of I'm left with


butterchurn
SCP 682
catboi
Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
bnuuy
Klick
Ydrasse
cassowary
mastina

which is still 1 too many but I feel pretty good about this.

why?

Why what?

Why would you vote me. Also, my list isn't based on # of posts. Though you prob could make the argument that more active players are more likely to be tow and less actives are scum lurking it out but I'm not sure why you thought my list was based on posts count, to begin with.

Low posters are a common push even if it an argument worthy of Tainted ???

and honestly, I just dislike your slot currently.

i'm scummy for pushing low posters? weak

I mean yeah, there are some lurkers but it's not like my suspicions lie solely on lurkers, and it's not like lurkers are immune from rolling scum pms. Your arguments are trash.

but I'm not the one that's making the argument that low posters are scum. I just happen to suspect some players that have low post counts. What do you dislike my slot for then?

but I'm not the one that's making the argument that low posters are scum. I just happen to suspect some players that have low post counts. What do you dislike my slot for then?

And why do you suspect those players?

Don't you usually not give a shit when I scumread you?

klick makes a lot of sense to me as a wolf that was chainsaw defending catboi

Are you calling me a low poster?

I don't think I ever said that.

but also like

Toogeloo (12) | SCP 682, Ydrasse, Menalque, butterchurn, tictac,

catboi

, mastina, Sword of Ducks, Save The Dragons, bnuuy, cassowary, Nashville Dreams

there's no way that catboi was the sole scum on this wagon.

to me, SCP is obvious mafia.

YD's use of action was ??? and I felt Norway was scummy and would actually make alot of sense as mafia that wanted to see if cat/FL were Wolf together.

like I said earlier, I don't really like how Mena is doing nothing but whining about being scumread but he's prob not mafia.

churn is mafia

tictac is not mafia, could be wold but eh.

mastina just seems scummy.

I was mostly sheeping Titus on STD but STD is specifically pushing me as mafia so maybe he's wolf. IDK if that really makes sense? He voted Catboi for a min or two yesterday but kept trying to wagon elsewhere and ultimately landed on Toog. So maybe?

I've given up on a readthrough.

I don't have the time/energy for it until too late. (I'd have the time/energy Thursday or so, but that's too late.)

I'm around and can vote any scumread.

VOTE: Toogeloo

i'm just so very very tired you see

VOTE: toogeloo

whatever

VOTE: toog

VOTE: toogeloo
Good night.

^
trash votes

Full conversation

5736 seemed promising but isn't talking about your scumreads on low posting slots at all

[Dunnstral]

So yeah I would say you only talked about Klick

[Dunnstral]

and I think the thing about me pushing low posters is not an accurate description of my play.

That's not what I said, this is deflecting again

I asked you what your reasons for your reads were, and you can't respond to that

[Dunnstral]

So yeah I would say you only talked about Klick

this is a lie

Prove it

[Dunnstral]

(expired on 2022-05-11 18:39:53)

[Dunnstral]

Bnuuy i think is town by that metric; they kept getting run up as a counter wagon really fast

This is a good point

Looking back I like this from CSF and won't vote there

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: cat scratch fever
I don’t comprehend the scumcase on CSF at all but given the entire monastery is voting there it seems like a fair shake

We could vote for sure scum Dunn but this town is a clusterfuck and the game is a scum paridise

Ima keep it real I do think Dunn could be scum but I feel like the CSF wagon is okay too, while I don’t get the exact science of it I think Flavor Leaf’s pool of 4 theory seems sounds.

bnuuy really doesn't look like town here

[Dunnstral]

is this 2S2BS or blatant?

If this is calling me scummy, I rlly don’t get why you’re on my ass for voting the wagon you are actively campaigning for.

What is your reason for scumreading me?

[Dunnstral]

So there are two people voting me now who absolutely refuse to explain why they think I am scum

[Dunnstral]

Klick is really towny

[Dunnstral]

we've been over Dunn's problems

I don't think we have

You quoted two wagons, neither of which I was a part of, and then voted me

[Dunnstral]

Oh and I'm maliciously asking the same question twice while pretending I didn't see the answer the first time in this 265 page game

Have you ever seen scum do that ever? Why is that scummy?

[Dunnstral]

all four alignments have different wincons is the impression i have

hmm, then what's the point of specifying 'identical wincon' over just 'same alignment'? don't those mean the same thing?

pedantry really but when i got my role my question was basically like

"can wolves/mafia have the same wincon (beat all other threats) or like, wolves/malefactor"

and they cant

so i classify it as different wincons as what im checking for

it's not functionally different but it feels it

especially with a game with like a claimed werewolf miller lmao

My role is that if I get investigated by a seer (werewolf sided cop equivalent) I appear as a werewolf

Just like a miller for the mafia side

You're not claiming seer so it doesn't interact with your role. I have the town win condition.

Things

might

be different if I were a normal miller, since you are a parity

cop

, but I'm not.

[Dunnstral]

is there a concrete case laid against dunnstral somewhere that he ignored

Why is Dunnstral ignoring the case part of your question?

Please link for me what I am ignoring

[Dunnstral]

dunnstral acted pretty much the same way and i was just as annoyed as nero is now

am I annoyed? maybe. It's not at all impossible that I'm sublimely scumreading Dunn more than I really am just b/c he was being pissy that I wasn't explaining my gut read on him and he was OMGUSing me which, in turn, made me want to scumread him more.

Although I did feel like he was a bit more "solvey" and proactive in the link you provided. And here most of what he did is just ask me about my scum read on him, ask a few mechanical q's and point out some mechanics so I stand by my statement that he's not really hunting.

I still don't understand why Save the Dragons has been calling me scum

I think in this post he just seems more inquisitive and 6550 it seems more like a vague accusation.

but I do think that

I want you to explain why you've been calling me scum this game, including in the past

Is pretty similar, though I felt like the times he asked me sounded a bit more forceful?

In your game you linked he's responded to you

Spoiler:

Alright, let's go over this one at a time.

First, it's nonsense that you're complaining that I've done nothing. In fact you compared me to yourself earlier. To be clear, you have not "done more" than I have this game, despite having several more posts. Especially past day 1. A quick glance over isos confirms this. If you're parroting what Dwlee and Brighter said then I have news for you: they also need to get over themselves.

Second, I don't see how my opinion on Todoraki after they already died was "tmi" or how me being "smug" makes me mafia.

Third, I made it clear that I believed Esther was town and IV was scum, and that I preferred to vote in the group of 6.

Fourth, my push on Dwlee was not 1-dimensional. I outlined reasons that they were scum and they "misremembered" things and only pushed for town.

Fifth, when I said you looked bad it was because you were forcing a narrative of the scum team being esther and myself at the deadline. Both of these votes were wrong, so yes, that does look bad. I dropped it and focused on Dwlee instead after you voted for IV.

as where here he didn't respond to 6534 so it's kinda like he just isn't paying attention to this game.

Also felt like 6534 was floating the idea of a bnunny wagon which I felt like would be a decent thing to do if he was trying to get the wagon off of him b/c gamma is actually pretty scummy and might be scum here anyways.

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epic meta

[Dunnstral]

is there a concrete case laid against dunnstral somewhere that he ignored

Why is Dunnstral ignoring the case part of your question?

Please link for me what I am ignoring

I don’t know if you are, that’s why I asked him

What you asked does not match up to what they said and has the opposite implications of what they said

[Dunnstral]

I am checking the parity cop thing.

~Titus

Wiki definitions:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Parity_Cop

A Parity Cop is a player who can investigate other players at night to determine which faction they belong to: different alignments give different results. However, the assignment of results to factions is effectively arbitrary, and the Parity Cop will thus not initially know which results will correspond to which alignments. As such, the role effectively just allows the Parity Cop to determine whether or not two players who they have investigated (at some point in the game) have the same alignment as each other.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Miller

A Miller (sometimes called an Outsider) is a role or role modifier such that the player passively returns an unfavorable result (i.e. Guilty) if investigated by a Cop.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... e_.2849.29

Hirsute: You will investigate as "GUILTY" to Seers.

So like I was saying earlier, Miller at least can be interpreted either way mainly due to somebody on the wiki team getting too excited about making the role sound fancy and having the text coincidentally able to be read in multiple ways as a result of that. In reality it probably shouldn't interact with a parity cop but it doesn't hurt to ask. It's pretty clear that Hirsute does not interact and it's curious why Ydrasse automatically assumed that it would.

[Dunnstral]

By the way, I think that rules as written miller interacts with parity cop, and rules as intended it does not.

[Dunnstral]

a miller is explicitly a member of the town faction. If you are a miller you will be the same faction as me and if you aren't then you are scum.

That's not what it says though

passively returns an

unfavorable result (i.e. Guilty)

if investigated by a

Cop

.

The questions become:

1) Does an unfavorable result (of which 'Guilty' is merely one example) involve messing with a parity cop

2) Does a parity cop count as a "cop" for the description of the miller

I think that technically both of the above are true, but it is due to poor wording of the miller role pm. It should in fact be something like:

You investigate as "GUILTY" if investigated by the role named cop

If he investigates guilty to seers and parity cop isn't a seer does it not stand to reason that he wouldn't investigate as a guilty since YD isn't a seer?

Yes, that's what I just said.

[Dunnstral]

is there a concrete case laid against dunnstral somewhere that he ignored

Why is Dunnstral ignoring the case part of your question?

because he didn't really ignore the case against him in the game i linked and i am trying to compare the two

Also no, there isn't and nobody else is going to answer you

[Dunnstral]

I also didn't like how when I called out Klick in 5232 he responded by asking me to explain my scum read on him which I took as him not liking that I called out Klick.

I called you out for your lack of read every time you showed up in the thread after having previously ignored my request for you to explain your read. It was because you showed up in thread without answering me previously, not because you were talking about Klick.

[Dunnstral]

dunnstral acted pretty much the same way and i was just as annoyed as nero is now

am I annoyed? maybe. It's not at all impossible that I'm sublimely scumreading Dunn more than I really am just b/c he was being pissy that I wasn't explaining my gut read on him and he was OMGUSing me which, in turn, made me want to scumread him more.

Let's go through this step by step

You are claiming that I am "OMGUSing" you. Can you substantiate that by pointing to where I have done that.

[Dunnstral]

No Nero, answer my question or we are not continuing this conversation. Don't ask me another question to change the topic.

The currently standing question is:

You are claiming that I am "OMGUSing" you. Can you substantiate that by pointing to where I have done that.

[Dunnstral]

Are you disputing this timeline?

Where did I ever say I thought you were scum?

[Dunnstral]

[post]6261[post]

[Dunnstral]

6261

[Dunnstral]

You asked me multiple times why I was scum reading you, when I didn't respond you started to scum read me.

I find it hard to classify this as "omgusing" when you admit you are going out of your way to not answer me and hold unsubstantiated opinions

Yes, that is scummy, and I'd be on your case if it were directed towards another player.

[Dunnstral]

You could always verify with the mod to see what you come up as in a Parity Cop investigation.

Why? Are they a parity seer?

[Dunnstral]

well it's not going to be FL or nero so *new choice*

Who are you willing to vote for

[Dunnstral]

Keep reading

[Dunnstral]

ive stated earlier today (real day not day phase)

malcolm

,

csf

are my top choices, maybe

menalque

but i'm having doubts about that, i'd do

ND

in a heartbeat

but i'm more interested in who you are willing to vote for

I'd vote for Flavor leaf, Nero Cain, Nashville Dreams, bnuuy, MegAzumaril

I'd tentatively vote for Enchant

Would not vote for the rest. I don't believe that I need a pool of 8 to vote in today and would prefer to remain within votes I am more comfortable with rather than going to my seventh or eight choice, which I am not clear about

[Dunnstral]

Yes, that is scummy

If it was scummy then I don't understand why you would post 6844?

6849

[Dunnstral]

There is a chance a miller would get a "non aligned" result to a parity cop between two townies due to the miller role.

That is also what I said

[Dunnstral]

can you explain your townread on malcolm

It's a light townread, I tried to use a weird shade of green

Posts like 6010 and 6496 where they call these wagons on players not in my voting list town and show effort feels town to me

[Dunnstral]

I'm not a miller guys

[Dunnstral]

I'm a hirsute. Reread my posts.

[Dunnstral]

That's still a miller that shows up as wolf, no?

People are arguing whether miller would show up as not town to a parity cop

It's irrelevant because I'm a hirsute. I don't interact with cops at all.

[Dunnstral]

So you are saying that it's like investigation immune to anything but a seer

No... I never said that

[Dunnstral]

I am checking the parity cop thing.

~Titus

Wiki definitions:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Parity_Cop

A Parity Cop is a player who can investigate other players at night to determine which faction they belong to: different alignments give different results. However, the assignment of results to factions is effectively arbitrary, and the Parity Cop will thus not initially know which results will correspond to which alignments. As such, the role effectively just allows the Parity Cop to determine whether or not two players who they have investigated (at some point in the game) have the same alignment as each other.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Miller

A Miller (sometimes called an Outsider) is a role or role modifier such that the player passively returns an unfavorable result (i.e. Guilty) if investigated by a Cop.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... e_.2849.29

Hirsute: You will investigate as "GUILTY" to Seers.

So like I was saying earlier, Miller at least can be interpreted either way mainly due to somebody on the wiki team getting too excited about making the role sound fancy and having the text coincidentally able to be read in multiple ways as a result of that. In reality it probably shouldn't interact with a parity cop but it doesn't hurt to ask. It's pretty clear that Hirsute does not interact and it's curious why Ydrasse automatically assumed that it would.

I quoted the wiki

[Dunnstral]

I didn't think that the "Cop" in Parity Cop was meant to be flavored towards one faction. I don't think there would be a Parity Seer, for example. It's just a word used to mean someone who checks, like Vanilla Cop. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I've interpreted it.

Vanilla cop is not a good parallel to parity cop

Vanilla cop explicitly lists what roles return vanilla.

When the role is called "Vanilla Cop", Vanilla Townies, Mafia Goons, and Serial Killers with no additional powers return a "Vanilla" result, while all other roles return "not Vanilla

Parity cop does not.

By the way, parity cop also does not work against werewolves. A vanilla werewolf would return a result of "not vanilla", rules as written. Don't agree? Reread the quote above.

[Dunnstral]

*vanilla cop also does not work against werewolves

[Dunnstral]

i think it'd be real cool

if you voted for someone other than FL

I will

Also remove meg from the list of people I'd be willing to vote, I forgot that Klick said there was role stuff there

[Dunnstral]

Toogeloo (12) | SCP 682,

Ydrasse, Menalque

, butterchurn,

tictac

,

catbo

i, mastina, Sword of Ducks,

Save The Dragons, bnuuy

, cassowary,

Nashville Dreams

Cat Scratch Fever (7) | Flavor Leaf,

Nashville Dreams, bnuuy, tictac, Ydrasse, Save The Dragons, Menalque

:igmeou:

This is a persuasive point.

VOTE: Dunn

Has anybody figured out why Nashville Dreams switched their vote to me in this post?

Seems completely detached from what they are agreeing with

VOTE: Nashville Dreams

[Dunnstral]

we've been over Dunn's problems

I don't think we have

You quoted two wagons, neither of which I was a part of, and then voted me

Oh and I'm maliciously asking the same question twice while pretending I didn't see the answer the first time in this 265 page game

Have you ever seen scum do that ever? Why is that scummy?

[Dunnstral]

Vanilla Townies, Mafia Goons, and Serial Killers with no additional powers return a "Vanilla" result, while all other roles return "not Vanilla"

[Dunnstral]

cute another wagon to save scum-dunn & scum-csf

Another? What previous wagon was to save scum!Dunn and scum!CSF? Please, do tell.

[Dunnstral]

yeah but he's saying he could come up guilty in a parity check so there's no real point on wasting a check.

I never said that

[Dunnstral]

that's the impression i got anyways

we could ask him point blank

DUNN DO YOU WANT THE PARITY COP TO CHECK YOU?

Sure

[Dunnstral]

*vanilla cop also does not work against werewolves

The logic for this feels off
The example PM is probably written with the assumption of singleball
Something to take up after this game finishes perhaps

Yeah so is Gunsmith but multiple players have claimed it doesn't work against werewolves. What makes vanilla cop different?

[Dunnstral]

It's irrelevant because I'm a hirsute. I don't interact with cops at all.

but in the example that you gave in 6900 you have a wolf give a result of not vanilla.

I'm not a wolf.

Ydrasse is not a vanilla cop.

And I'm not talking about vanilla cops here, I'm talking about whether Ydrasse would get a correct result on me with the parity cop claim. And I said she would.

If a wolf gives a result other than "no result" it's still a result.

Ydrasse is not claiming vanilla cop.

[quote="In post 7023, Nero Cain"Also, the idea that wolves (that have no additional abilities) give a pr result seems kinda dumb to me. It should work the same way with all factions, imo.[/quote]

OK.

It doesn't how you think the role should work, I quoted what the wiki says, and it is very clear in how it works.

Again, this doesn't relate to my claim of Hirsute, which is by the way also not vanilla anyways.

Mine and most players (well I assume) just see wolf as a flavored version of mafia with no difference.

We have already established that gunsmiths work differently between the two factions.

now the miller page does say

In Online Werewolf, the Miller is called a Lycan and is unaware of his Lycan status.

but I have never seen this and it's not normal.

I agree that this would not be normal.

I'm 99% certain that the mods on this site have just been using hirsute as a flavored wolf miller and I feel like you are just being deceptive right now.

I am not being deceptive about anything.

What does your role pm actually say? After you asked the mod any questions?

I had no questions for the mod. My role pm is very clear. If a seer targets me, I look like a werewolf. This is what I have claimed my role did in the past, including links to the wiki where the role is described as such in 6822

Why? If you believe that you don't interact with cops wouldn't you think that a cop check on you is a waste?

You are being intentionally obtsure because I have in the past pointed out to you that I linked to the wiki.

The full argument went as follows:

Ydrasse expresses that they were considering my role when using their own role (?)
I point out that there is no reason to think my role would interact with Ydrasse
I also point out that a normal miller probably would interact with Ydrasse
Multiple players claim that miller would not interact with Ydrasse
I make it clear that I am not a miller
You ask me if Hirsute is "a miller that shows up as a wolf"
I say it is irrelevant,

my role does not do anything special when targeted by a cop

.

The only role that does anything special is the seer. This is not the case for the standard miller. In 6822 I give the reasoning for that. The standard miller is worded much more vaguely than the Hirsute, such that multiple cop type roles react differently. Miller explicitly outlines which cop roles function normally when targeting it. Here's the quote from the wiki:

A Miller returns a guilty result if investigated by a Cop, "Miller" if investigated by a Role Cop, and "non-Vanilla" to a Vanilla Cop.

So in conclusion, yes Hirsute is the werewolf flavored counterpart to miller. No, it's not the exact same thing. Because there are multiple cop roles but only one seer, and because miller uses over 10 times the word count to explain what it does and to give exceptions to certain roles. Parity cop is not one of those exceptions, and yeah a miller would give a result of "mafia" to that role (not directly shown, but used to compare alignments) - because that is an "unfavorable result" and the role investigating it is a "cop"

[Dunnstral]

Yeah so is Gunsmith but multiple players have claimed it doesn't work against werewolves. What makes vanilla cop different?

in flavor, SKs use knives thus they get negative from a GS. Perhaps the mod has wolf flavored as using their

CLAWS

and they are basically a faction of SKs?

And in flavor, cops are not the right investigative to figure out werewolves.

Again, why is vanilla cop different here?

[Dunnstral]

Yeah so is Gunsmith but multiple players have claimed it doesn't work against werewolves. What makes vanilla cop different?

in flavor, SKs use knives thus they get negative from a GS. Perhaps the mod has wolf flavored as using their

CLAWS

and they are basically a faction of SKs?

Not for vanilla cops.

Vanilla just determines PR or not. Faction be damned. Period.

~Titus

oh no, this was about this gunsmiths saying that they don't get gun from wolf. not vanilla cop. There's a chance the Dunn is legit not understanding his role b/c info is scarce but I think he's just trying to bullshit us.

Same. Can be resolved by a PM to the mod.

I will not be pming the mod. If you have a question about the role Hirsute, you can pm the mod and ask. I don't have a question, and I'm not confused about how my role works, so I will not be doing that.

[Dunnstral]

even if hirsute was something other than just a miller, you'd still have a town wincon unless you just aren't town.

I have never said that I don't have a town wincon.

[Dunnstral]

Not for vanilla cops.

Vanilla just determines PR or not. Faction be damned. Period.

No, Vanilla cop does not do that.

This is what a Vanilla cop does:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vanilla_Cop

Normal Guidelines

Vanilla Cop is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

When the role is called "Vanilla Cop", Vanilla Townies, Mafia Goons, and Serial Killers with no additional powers return a "Vanilla" result, while all other roles return "not Vanilla"

.

The Neapolitan variant is also considered Normal, but must be named "Neapolitan" to distinguish it from the preceding version.

[Dunnstral]

cute another wagon to save scum-dunn & scum-csf

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Another? What previous wagon was to save scum!Dunn and scum!CSF? Please, do tell.

I do think this was somewhat overlooked. They're clearly just making things up at this point and I'm not sure why nobody seems to care.

[Dunnstral]

If you know you get a non-town result to a parity cop then

I never said that.

[Dunnstral]

I also did not suggest that a parity cop should target me.

I said sure when asked if I was fine with it.

[Dunnstral]

How is that me saying that I give a non-town result to a parity cop?

Walk us through that.

[Dunnstral]

I agree

[Dunnstral]

My role does not do anything special when targeted by a cop = I'm not a miller, cops can target me and get normal results

There is no real way to twist what I said into me saying "I give a result of not town when targeted by a cop"

I am asking you to explain how you understood it as the second

[Dunnstral]

all four alignments have different wincons is the impression i have

hmm, then what's the point of specifying 'identical wincon' over just 'same alignment'? don't those mean the same thing?

pedantry really but when i got my role my question was basically like

"can wolves/mafia have the same wincon (beat all other threats) or like, wolves/malefactor"

and they cant

so i classify it as different wincons as what im checking for

it's not functionally different but it feels it

especially with a game with like a claimed werewolf miller lmao

My role is that if I get investigated by a seer (werewolf sided cop equivalent) I appear as a werewolf

Just like a miller for the mafia side

You're not claiming seer so it doesn't interact with your role. I have the town win condition.

Things

might

be different if I were a normal miller, since you are a parity

cop

, but I'm not.

It is abundantly clear what I am talking about in this post. Anyone sayomg that I'm somehow insinuating that Ydrasse's claimed role somehow doesn't work on me, or that I am claiming Miller are straight up not reading the game, lying, stupid, or maybe a mix of all of those things.

We are going to stop trying to make this about me now. This was originally about Ydrasse, and they haven't responded at all, instead they made a few more woof woof posts and continued to vote me to "end the day".

Ydrasse, what did you mean in this post when you said "especially with a game with like a claimed werewolf miller"?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: malcomtucker

Why are you ignoring me?

[Dunnstral]

The parity cop is scum

Yeah Ydrasse is probably scum.

This is strictly their scum meta. They open up strong and interact with people to leave a good impression, but as the game goes on they taper off and have difficulty contributing to actual content, or doing anything beyond looking good on tone early on.

Why are they voting for malcolm right now? Why did they vote for me? Why are we letting them get away with that?

I get we're not going to elim them based on their claim today but it should be kept in mind for sure

[Dunnstral]

all four alignments have different wincons is the impression i have

hmm, then what's the point of specifying 'identical wincon' over just 'same alignment'? don't those mean the same thing?

pedantry really but when i got my role my question was basically like

"can wolves/mafia have the same wincon (beat all other threats) or like, wolves/malefactor"

and they cant

so i classify it as different wincons as what im checking for

it's not functionally different but it feels it

especially with a game with like a claimed werewolf miller lmao

Ydrasse, what did you mean in this post when you said "especially with a game with like a claimed werewolf miller"?

[Dunnstral]

o

it felt important to distinguish like a normal parity cop checking alignment versus checking win condition because like

if i matched you to a werewolf in the former you'd match

instead i check for the latter and get different results

No I wouldn't

The only role that gets a negative result on me is a Seer

[Dunnstral]

i'm going to be real with you idk what a seer is

Werewolf sided cop

[Dunnstral]

Or rather, a cop but for werewolf flavors. Determines if somebody is a werewolf or not.

Cops can get results on me normally, I'm only a miller for the werewolf side. You are a cop.

[Dunnstral]

'Parity' is a modifier to Cop as well as being an established role, as explained on the wiki page for Parity Cop.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Parity_Cop

It appears as a role modifier on this page as 'parity' which redirects to Parity Cop:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _modifiers

Yes, a parity cop is a cop (it's in the name...!) and would get a false result on a miller. A macho cop would also get a false result on a miller.

A Vanilla Cop would get a result of "non-Vanilla" on a miller, because the miller page says that it does so.

A Vanilla Cop would get a result of "non-Vanilla" on a werewolf, because the Vanilla Cop page says that it does so.

[Dunnstral]

Parity Cop essentially is checking for the Color of the role itself. Say Werewolf is Yellow, Maf Red, Town Green, Malefactor Purple.

If you check 2 of the same colors, they’re the same, if different. They’re different. Full stop.

Millers and miller like roles do not change Parity Cop results.

Millers return an unfavorable result if investigated by a Cop.

[Dunnstral]

tbh, the vanilla cop page hasn't been updated since 2019 so there's a chance that its not accurate. Also agree with Gamma's take that it might have singleball in mind.

I had felt like you were trying to just bullshit us here but there's a chance that you are just sitting there and going by what the wiki says and acting like it's a bible. Wich one could argue is scummy in and of itself.

Wolves always showing as a pr if checked by a vanilla cop just doesn't seem right and needs to be fixed after the game.

Why does it matter if a vanilla cop targets me anyway? I don't understand why this is the hill you are willing to die on

You realize that by claiming a role I always show up as not vanilla, right?

[Dunnstral]

In post 6890 butterchurn said that parity cop was like vanilla cop
In post 6900/6901 I point out that this is a bad comparison, give the reason why, and conclude by saying that vanilla cop is

also

flavored towards one faction while quoting the wiki (which supports what I am saying)


Not once have I ever said that a vanilla cop gets a different kind of result when targeting me. I've said the opposite, that all cops get normal results when targeting me. A hirsute is not vanilla, so I would show up as not vanilla, which is not a helpful result.

[Dunnstral]

I believe parity cop checking Miller of any type with someone else will compare with "visible Miller faction".

So it's technically possible to hunt for "Wolf/Not Wolf" if you compare someone else with Wolf Miller,

Instead of guessing let's check the wiki!

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... e_.2849.29

Hirsute Townie (49)
You are a Hirsute Townie.

Abilities

During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want eliminated.
Hirsute: You will investigate as "GUILTY"

to Seers.

Win Condition

You win when there are no longer any threats to the Town and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

[Dunnstral]

Oh yeah, makes sense to get role pm from some different setup.

As opposed to making stuff up, yeah

[Dunnstral]

What are you basing:

I believe parity cop checking Miller of any type with someone else will compare with "visible Miller faction".

on?

[Dunnstral]

You're wrong because it's multiball and hirsute does not affect the investigative checks of cops in any way. Only seers.

[Dunnstral]

Idk, i more think as millers like "Looks like them" like universally.

Parity Cop is somewhat exception in my eyes. Like how werewolf based Parity Cop will look?
Parity Seer? Jeez. And what difference?

I'm not a miller, I'm hirsute.

I don't give false investigative results to cops.

That's what a miller does.

That's the difference.

I'm not a miller.

A parity cop is not a seer, and would see me as town.

I linked the wiki to you. Do you want me to ask the mod or do you just not believe me? Or do you want to ask the mod? I don't get the angle you are arguing here. You see how it is written but say "this is how I think it should work"

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: bnuuy

[Dunnstral]

bnuuy would rather keep talking about vanilla cop than engage with anything relevant and give disingenuous arguments about it to boot

[Dunnstral]

I'm not using the wrong words I've said the above multiple times. With that exact wording.

[Dunnstral]

The argument you’re putting forth suggests the opposite, that it ignores werewolves in its checks.

I never said that.

[Dunnstral]

And no it does not suggest that

[Dunnstral]

Go ahead and quote where I said that a parity cop would get a result of "town" on a werewolf.

[Dunnstral]

I think Dunn is just making things up as they go along.

I've cited my sources multiple times.

[Dunnstral]

but his insistence on trying to focus on the cop part of parity cop is a bad sign.

Explain why

[Dunnstral]

Go ahead and quote where I said that a parity cop would get a result of "town" on a werewolf.

You said werewolf goon would appear not-vanilla to vanilla cop
Following that logic werewolves should appear as town to parity cop

So I didn't actually say it, it's something you made up

[Dunnstral]

Let me explain why that is not true.

Vanilla cop would get a result of not vanilla on a werewolf. This is not because it has the word "cop" in the name, but because the description of the ability itself confirms this. Here is the quote:

When the role is called "Vanilla Cop", Vanilla Townies, Mafia Goons, and Serial Killers with no additional powers return a "Vanilla" result, while all other roles return "not Vanilla".

A vanilla werewolf is not a vanilla townie, a mafia goon, or a serial killer. They retrun a "not Vanilla" result, because those are the only 3 roles that return a vanilla result.

A parity cop instead says the following:

A Parity Cop is a player who can investigate other players at night to determine which

faction

they belong to: different alignments give different results.

Not once does it mention mafia, serial killer, or werewolves in its description. It simply compares different factions alignments against each other. It works normally against werewolves.

I never said that a vanilla cop works differently because it has the word "cop" in the name, I said that the description of the ability indicates that it works differently on werewolves. Which it does. Explicitly.

[Dunnstral]

Ydrasse has not once indicated that they were interested in checking me.

In fact, they were confused and thought they couldn't check me at all. I clarified and made it known that they could check me normally.

bnuuy is trying to twist it as if I'm trying to avoid a parity cop check somehow when that is simply not what happened

[Dunnstral]

If anyone is being disingenuous it’s you Dunnstral

The argument you’re putting forth

So your argument

If you’re correct that parity cop doesn’t check for wolves,

As such I think you’re arguing in bad faith.

You really said all this and then concluded with admitting that I never actually said that or argued that

[Dunnstral]

That is ridiculously unintuitive though.

I don't care, it's what the role says it does.

Literally what you think the role should do instead doesn't matter.

[Dunnstral]

I'm not defending the role or its design, I'm arguing what it does. And it is very clear on what it does.

[Dunnstral]

Vanilla cop doesn't even matter,

butterchurn brought it up in relation to parity cop, I argued that it was a bad comparison and it didn't work anyway.

And then people bring up the words vanilla cop randomly dozens of pages later when we're talking about parity cop

???

I don't care what you think vanilla cop does. You're wrong, objectively. It does what it says it does. If it does something different, that's because the mod decided it should work differently this game. Which he could have. Or more likely the role isn't even in the game and it doesn't matter

[Dunnstral]

So let's focus on what matters

Ydrasse didn't even know she could check me

How is anything I've done a "bad look" in regards to that?

[Dunnstral]

I’m pretty sure implosion or someone said that the cop part of vanilla cop was a misnomer at one point.

I've pointed to the description of the role and not the name numerous times

[Dunnstral]

bnuuy, your next post must either acknowledge that I'm not talking about the name "Vanilla cop", or you must substantiate your argument and show me where I placed emphasis on the name "Vanilla cop" and how I used that in an argument

[Dunnstral]

Why does Vanilla cop matter?

[Dunnstral]

Why did bnuuy get a different answer from the mod than the rest?

[Dunnstral]

Is their post 7181 not different from what is said in 7186 and 7188?

[Dunnstral]

As for Malcolm

Going from no votes to eliminated with 11 votes in 8 hours
Without getting a chance to post
Without a claim
And without most of the wagon

explaining why they are voting for Malcolm

Regardless of what Malcolm flips here, this wagon was obviously sketchy

[Dunnstral]

And by most of the wagon, I mean, literally 10 out of 11 people voting right now have no explanation for their vote

And the 1 explanation given was that the 8 people voting flavor leaf weren't all town. Wow.

Spoiler:

I don't think that it's impossible for Enchant to be scum that's just not doing anything.

I had felt like Enchant was close enough to his play in

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88987

that he was on the town but his iso isn't great and 901 could be a partner tell between bnuuy and him. His reaction to getting voted isn't great but most ppl react poorly. I wouldn't really object to a lim here as hard-to-read/unhelpful slots are a decent elimination.

Speaking of the above game, the vig got ran up d1, was blocked n1, and then wagonned by 2/5 scum. So I am seeing parallels here.

Flavor Leaf (8) | Klick, tictac, Dunnstral, cassowary, mastina, MalcolmTucker, Menalque, MonkeyMan576

Even if FL was scum that's masquerading as a vig the wagon on him isn't all town. I mean obviously, it isn't a 1:1 comparison b/c there is a "guilty" on him.

Still think Mastina is scum that's talking out of both sides of her mouth and she's being unproductive with her vote. We prob should have just voted there today instead of worrying about if she's really a beloved princess b/c if she's scum I highly doubt she is and she's fakeclaiming a role we won't really want to lim.

Still feel like Dunn's "if FL was town he'd do X" is scum and besides FL all of his scum reads being ppl that are voting him is gross. Not impossible I'm being manipulated onto his wagon.

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

Pretty munch vanity wagons are a vote for a no elimination at this point. This is not townie.

A vote for a no lim would be better than a vote for town that is very obviously town.

VOTE: Malcolm Tucker

VOTE: malcolmtucker

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

VOTE: MalcomTucker

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

Going to the Rockies/Royals game and may not be able to vote later in the day.

VOTE: Malcom

VOTE: malcomtucker

perfect is the enemy of the good

oh damn
u speaking 2 my soul there

VOTE: malcom

L-2

well then, let's see where this gets us

UNVOTE: Menalque

VOTE: MacolmTucker

VOTE: Malcolm

[Dunnstral]

Mastina does not give a reason there
Your own reason is very shaky and I barely believe you were actually thinking about that. Looks like retroactive justification to me.

Quoting 1769 and 660 is basically meaningless

[Dunnstral]

OK mastina said compromising

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: NeroCain

Bit of a gut read but why not.

Lmao.

Technically a vote, but on a vanity wagon that has no shot and Malcom gives no reason.

~Titus

You are claiming that you voted Malcolm due to this?

[Dunnstral]

My belief is that in general mastina does not fake claim, regardless of alignment, except for in extreme circumstances. They claimed beloved princess? That's their real role.

this aged well

I seem to recall you had no counter to this except: "It could happen"

In which case I could point to numerous games where it did not happen and numerous games where it did, and her talking about it in mafia discussion

Besides, this doesn't fit with your narrative that I'm a werewolf anyway (which seems to itself be based on nothing, but it's a fact that mastina was not a werewolf)

Also. There's so much extra killing power in the roles from what flipped.

[Dunnstral]

and the monks can't be wolves?

Never accuse me of not understanding how roles work again

[Dunnstral]

I would not give mastina such a fakeclaim either which

You replaced in after she had already claimed

[Dunnstral]

Wolf goons flips non-vanilla because the wiki doesn't spell it out for me!"-Dunnstral 2022

I mean, that's true

[Dunnstral]

I'm not going to argue this again today though

[Dunnstral]

i kind of hoped you would come back and make a better case to convince me by showing the thing was actually a scumtell for enchant but instead you just went NO YOU'RE WRONG which didn't exactly make me want to go along with your case

This is fair

i dunno, gut read? i said in that post a lot of the reads weren't based on much

i don't like SRing people for lurking generally since i honestly tend to be lurkier as town than scum, and i think enchant ended up at the bottom of the first list kinda by PoE.

This doesn't really sound like a reason to switch to townreading enchant. Or did you think they were getting pushed by a bunch of scum

You said it yourself that Enchant does the same thing as both alignments, so why does them being lurky make them town here

[Dunnstral]

Klick, do you still think that Meg is town due to role reasons, in light of the 5 flips we just saw?

[Dunnstral]

wait malefactor doesn't know who the scum are?????

They were also a 1-shot watcher, but nobody died during the first night and it is unlikely they got any useful information

It's possible that they though mastina was scum and that led to their play on day 2

Speaking of kills. There was no kills on night 1, and only 1 unclaimed scum kill on night 2. But each faction can shoot 2 times out of 3. We are missing a kill right now, and I don't really believe that the scum doubled up on either Mastina (who FL said they would shoot) or butterchurn (not seeing why both teams would shoot here)

[Dunnstral]

So you’re a wolf?

Based on what?

[Dunnstral]

You think Meg is town?

I want you to explain how you arrived at them being a werewolf when you were previously incorrectly accusing them of being aligned with Mastina

[Dunnstral]

I was willing to vote for most of them.

[Dunnstral]

I really don't see how you all are reading me as lurking scum. Who first voted me?

What are your reads at this point?

Don't know. I've been too caught up with school.

I find this to be a scummy response since it feels not wanting to commit to anything.

I want you to out at least 4-5 reads that you hold right now even if they arent up to date.

Fine. Apparently you seem to find real-life complications scummy, so here you go.

MonkeyMan
SCP 682
Bnuuy
Well Done
MalcomTucker

Why is Well Done scum?

[Dunnstral]

I have to get back to work but I am going to look at that masons claim tonight

Because Klick was ascetic last night.

How do you know you weren't roleblocked

Perhaps because your slot claimed gunsmith on day 2

Also, how does being ascetic relate to being a mason?

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also , math, tictac I believe claimed a 1 shot gunsmith themselves(or klick did). which means that the 2 1 shot gunsmith theory is not valid if you are claiming non-1 shot

I am claiming gunsmith on FL
Invest on click of some kind.

I won’t specify what.

We were wondering why mastina (mafia roleblocker) did not roleblock flavor leaf who was claiming vig and that they were going to shoot her

It would make a lot of sense that they used their roleblock on you

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this may imply that mafia have a rolecop then who checked monkeyman/mathblade night 1 and thats what informed their block to be there.

I disagree

They could have blocked simply thinking they are still a gunsmith

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I never really found the reasons for scumreading him to be that compelling

what do you think of Dunn doing shit all this game? is it just Dunn being Dunn as STD suggested?

He has fallen off today, but so have a lot of people and I don't think he's done nothing this game? It's not a metaread, it was more like the wagon yesterday grew a lot even though the reasons behind it were kinda weak

although dunn why aren't you voting?

Whatever I vote is less likely to go through and I'm not interested in arguing with flavor leaf/nero

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monkeyman was on that list too a while ago

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VOTE: cassowary

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I don't think that saying there can't be 2 hirsutes is a good argument