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Agreed Carca or Dwlee or G are way better elims.

Food for thought: G shading Carca poorly really put him on my radar earlier in the day

It was bad and it only came after content was essentially demanded from him.

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VLA 24-48 hours, cooling off

...Isn't the day over in like 24 hours?

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I think Meuh is mafia.

Fair. Too quiet. Avoided my claim.

It's her very last post. It egged JV towards that Meuh vote.

Oh it's possible, but I feel like refusing to vote Titus based on her claim by voting on the person she nudged you to vote probably isn't the best play.

I wouldn't say she nudged me towards it, if scum outright protected their partner after someone said they believed they were scum it would look bad. Which would make sense for how they were kinda passive about "agreeing"

I'm not saying they can't be scum together, though interesting fact that just came to mind:

The same could have been said of me regarding Scorpious' claim. I basically never said anything about it because I had no idea what to make of it.

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Math is absolutely right by the way. As much as I personally hate letting situations like this go relatively unresolved, it's only day 2 and we should not be killing either of them.

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Wait no.
VOTE: Meuh

I think that scum woulda discussed it, and I doubt scum would ask to full ass defend a buddy here with this much conviction.

I think it depends on a few things. I think Carca’s more likely scum based on prior posts or not necessarily defending Titus but they don’t like the dilemma.

Where does Ger fit into all of it? It took him like 2 1/2 days just to half assedly attack Carca after a long winded post and say he was "deeply suspicious" of her.

This was *not* accompanied by a vote, either.

This could be scum weakly shading scum while pretending to give more content than he did.

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Math is absolutely right by the way. As much as I personally hate letting situations like this go relatively unresolved, it's only day 2 and we should not be killing either of them.

Don’t get me wrong I hate the fact we aren’t elimming Titus here.

If I was scum I just ram her through. But JV is right it’s better for us not to elim her right now.

(It could also be scum weakly shading town. Either way it felt bad.)

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I didn't tell that to quote a post.

Huh.

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Gerain should be the lim in my humble opinion and I'm unsure why they've been let off the hook

This is the way I currently lean. He feels really ineffective for how many times he's said he's going to do something.

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The more I read of the present posts, the more concerned I am with what those pages I missed look like...

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It's... Interesting.

The people Math most wants to kill are the people who are jumping out front to defend Titus and try to kill Scorp anyway.

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Ger did pretty clearly say he wasn't "going anywhere near" a Scorp vote today at some point.

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....What's a Traffic Analyst, for the record?

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Ger did pretty clearly say he wasn't "going anywhere near" a Scorp vote today at some point.

But I actually don't remember him specifically saying Scorp was "town", just that voting him was pointless outside of getting him to full claim..

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....What's a Traffic Analyst, for the record?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ic_Analyst

...Isn't that just the PT cop people were talking about earlier?

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But scorp shouldn't have known there was a gunsmith, right? If JK is a fakeclaim for a mafia RB then the doctor/GS makes perfect sense to me.

Wait you guys have a safelist for roles?

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Has it actually calmed down at all?

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I also was townreading Titus without the claim and she is most certainly town now

No one other than me at the time of posting.

No one defending Scorp means probably town.

Scum make a ton of noise when I s.

i am pretty sure i said i did not think scorpious was scum earlier today

Get at least said he was staying away from me early today

He did, yes... Then I thought about it and I don't believe he ever actually called you town. He just said your train was inevitable, doomed to do nothing but make you claim, and that he wouldn't vote you.

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Idk why an all girl scumteam even matters
This isn’t Survivor

It doesn't, though my first scumteam ever was.. Interesting in that way. On the team were the only not-white player in the game, the only openly gay player in the game, the only openly trans player, and the only woman.

This game alone has more women than I've seen in the last few years in the community I'm used to combined, though.

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If most people are for a wagon without a mechanical guilty, it's probably Town.

Yeah this too.

This mentality makes me iffy because I recently saw a town almost totally throw a game on day 4 by convincing itself the guy everyone thought was scum probably wasn't.

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For the record I don't town read Scorpious at all
I read him as so scummy I question whether or not scum would allow themselves to look as consistently bad as he has.

I havent had the "too scummy to be scum" paranoia in *years*.

Regardless, someone decided to townclear Ger earlier for doing basically nothing but rehashing what we already know and treating it like content. I don't remember who did that offhand, but it's not like it really added anything. It was more fluff disguised as substance. Lots of Ger posts have been fluff disguised as substance or simply promising to give more.

I actually question how anyone could actually have a strong townread on Scorp though based on his play.

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I've also said I'm not voting Scorpious today.

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Lots of noise outside making my sleep even worse yay

Ome yhoughy I have thought is that those 3 have been pretty adamant that they will not move. I feel like this would be a kindda crazy gambit if more than 1 of them is acum

Autocorrect doing lots of work wee

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Wait no it's just Titus and lee didn't carec unbote

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Lee oss like, more active in the last r8 hours than the rest of the game combined

Like this I'd thr gorst thing lee has rvrrt really pushed hard on

It interesting to see player go from sso passive to out for blood

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Ok I got up and got some food into my system no more typing like I'm deranged as frayed as I am.

It's been a very perceptible shift in Lee's attitude recently from a relative nonfactor to aggressively wanting the imminent death of Scorpious and nothing else.

Anyone have any insight into the player themselves? This is the kinda thing that can go either way.

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Didn't you earlier say you don't expect to get another result to share?

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I'm trying to remember the last time I saw scum tunnel on someone as relentlessly as Titus has tunneled on Scorpious.

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Can I get a refresher of the case on Carca? My brain isn't really working at the moment.

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Does math really think that all 3 scum are the most wanting Scorpious? Like Me/Titus/Carca just all thought it was a genius idea to pile on to the same wagon?

I mentioned earlier it'd be kinda nuts for multiple scum to be on Scorpious if Scoprious is town.

I'm trying to think if Titus has called like, anyone *but* him scum though, like ever.

Come to think of it, the way she treated the MM vote yesterday gave me the vibe that she knew he was town, but she did little but chide people for voting him. She gave no concerted effort to actually stopping it.

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I am already voting Gera, Math

Then please focus conversation there.

We need to focus conversations where elims are happening.

I asked for a Carca refresher 20 minutes ago and didn't get one

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Combined two shot gunsmith with an inno on Gamma.

I am a combined doctor and neighbor.


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I’m an even night JK

Hood -
math
titus
italiano
jacksonvirgo

You missed my claim

What was it?

A comedian

This doesn't sound like a real claim?

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...That was supposed to be funny?

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...That was supposed to be funny?

I'm already dead. Stop my heart can't take it

I'm autistic and take almost everything said to me at face value. Sarcasm and humor have a tendency to fly right past me, and if I attempt to be sarcastic, no one else gets my intent.

And my brain is only working at like 20% right now but with all the noise outside rest is impossible.

I'm not your target audience right now~

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I am already voting Gera, Math

Then please focus conversation there.

We need to focus conversations where elims are happening.

I asked for a Carca refresher 20 minutes ago and didn't get one

I have been well versed in my Carca read and there was a beginning part of the day that was horrible for them when they kept pushing my Gamma read. It’s mainly I don’t think they’re scumhunting/townhunting.

Gamma did one thing in particular that pinged me pretty hard yesterday. During the MM buildup, he said MM/Dwlee were probably both scum together, but voted DWlee effectively as a countertrain to MM. If they're both scum together, why split your vote off?

I have almost no recollection of Gamma today, come to think of it, but I feel like you/Scorpious being scum together doesn't really make sense unless you're the type who will essentially double suicide gambit, and scum you doing this to protect town Scorpious is... Odd. So I'm just taking the scan at face value.

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I’ve seen scum do some wild stuff
I wouldn’t write off scum all piling on a player as impossible

The way people seem to regard Titus it seems like something she might encourage a team of hers to do.

It's probably not as simple as just all 3 being scum though.

Oh speaking of that, the question was slipping my mind, but.. How does setup meta work here? People have generally been acting like it's specifically a 3-person scumteam.

With what I'm used to, 3 in 13 is possible, but 4 is more likely.

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@Crescent that Dwlee vote was because I was holding out for the NM-style hammer but had to do something with my vote in the meanwhile
NM’s means of doing so is to self-vote start of day 1 and I don’t think I’ve ever seen him change votes mid-day 1 except to hammer

You did... Make it kinda clear you knew you were hammering, true.

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I am already voting Gera, Math

Then please focus conversation there.

We need to focus conversations where elims are happening.

I asked for a Carca refresher 20 minutes ago and didn't get one

I have been well versed in my Carca read and there was a beginning part of the day that was horrible for them when they kept pushing my Gamma read. It’s mainly I don’t think they’re scumhunting/townhunting.

Gamma did one thing in particular that pinged me pretty hard yesterday. During the MM buildup, he said MM/Dwlee were probably both scum together, but voted DWlee effectively as a countertrain to MM. If they're both scum together, why split your vote off?

I have almost no recollection of Gamma today, come to think of it, but I feel like you/Scorpious being scum together doesn't really make sense unless you're the type who will essentially double suicide gambit, and scum you doing this to protect town Scorpious is... Odd. So I'm just taking the scan at face value.

You seem new. Gamma doesn’t have a gun. This means Gamma is more than likely town given Titus claimed Doctor. It’s possible that Titus and Gamma could both be scum or Gamma scum Titus town but with the doctor claim I think Gamma is a hard inno. I would reconsider in elo but not before that.

3 is the standard meta. It town is OP traitors are possible but almost never 4.

Oh I know what your scan is. It's why I'm leaving Gamma alone. I already said I'm taking the scan at face value.

I've never played on this forum before, but I can tell you I entered this game expecting 4 scum because from my personal experience, that's what 13 will have 80%-90% of the time unless there's an indy.

Like my last scum game we were 3/14. We knew immediately the game had an indy because 3/14 would never happen without one.

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I’ve seen scum do some wild stuff
I wouldn’t write off scum all piling on a player as impossible

The way people seem to regard Titus it seems like something she might encourage a team of hers to do.

It's probably not as simple as just all 3 being scum though.

Oh speaking of that, the question was slipping my mind, but.. How does setup meta work here? People have generally been acting like it's specifically a 3-person scumteam.

With what I'm used to, 3 in 13 is possible, but 4 is more likely.

4 typically requires a large quantity of town power roles
I’ve seen it also balanced in a normal as have 2 groupscum and 2 traitors

The only time I can ever remember seeing traitor in a game of mafia was a game probably around 8 years ago (it's so long ago I can't even find the archive of it) before I even personally started playing. Scum is generally considered underpowered if under 25% of the playerbase unless scum is superpowered and town has little to none.

Yay different community metas~

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Ah. Here four is extreme. Different culture here.

Do your reads change assuming three scum?

It's too early to form entire scumteams in my head right now, It just helps me properly read the game later to know.

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Also this has blown up into more of a distraction than I thought and we should probably move on from the topic.

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I’ve seen scum do some wild stuff
I wouldn’t write off scum all piling on a player as impossible

The way people seem to regard Titus it seems like something she might encourage a team of hers to do.

It's probably not as simple as just all 3 being scum though.

Oh speaking of that, the question was slipping my mind, but.. How does setup meta work here? People have generally been acting like it's specifically a 3-person scumteam.

With what I'm used to, 3 in 13 is possible, but 4 is more likely.

4 typically requires a large quantity of town power roles
I’ve seen it also balanced in a normal as have 2 groupscum and 2 traitors

The only time I can ever remember seeing traitor in a game of mafia was a game probably around 8 years ago (it's so long ago I can't even find the archive of it) before I even personally started playing. Scum is generally considered underpowered if under 25% of the playerbase unless scum is superpowered and town has little to none.

Yay different community metas~

Agreed on the distraction. I think 25% is the wrong number but I tend to think setups are townsided. I am glad you’re coming out of your shell more.

Who would you elim today?

I wasn't in my shell at all day 1 (I was by far the leading poster at the end of the day, even), but MM flipping town damaged the game for me, and I am very easily influenced by outside factors that have nothing to do with the game, aka Monday. I'm kind of just drifting along the game right now because I'm not psychologically capable of really driving the discussion like I was yesterday. I'd be in bed processing and half-hallucinating right now if I could be.

I'm processing right now that Ger and Carca seem to be primarily trying to kill each other, and outside of Carca also wanting Scorpious dead, there seems to be a fair amount of white noise coming out as they're doing it. Like who does Ger actually suspect outside of Carca? Though he's being very self-player metay in a weirdly town feeling way that I can't explain.

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Actually I'm still by far the #1 poster in the game even with doing less today.

..And Mathblade is already at #2.

The guy who replaced Andres was in the top 5 within like a day of replacing.


Basically we just needed to replace out the entire hood and we were good?

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We tend to be verbose being on the spectrum.

It’s a sign we should tend towards longer posts if anything.

Man I wish there was a VC.

My issue with post volume is how often I think of something additional to say like 30 seconds after I hit post and then I turn it into two or even three messages in what should have been one.

...If there was VC I wouldn't be talking much at all though. Too many physical voices in my head and I shut right up.

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We tend to be verbose being on the spectrum.

It’s a sign we should tend towards longer posts if anything.

Man I wish there was a VC.

My issue with post volume is how often I think of something additional to say like 30 seconds after I hit post and then I turn it into two or even three messages in what should have been one.

...If there was VC I wouldn't be talking much at all though. Too many physical voices in my head and I shut right up.

Gahh I wish you were in the hood. I think we’d gel well together. Welcome to town block ish…gonna shut up now but yeah.

I was masons with someone once. It was interesting and I think it's why I can read him so well compared to like, everyone else... And why he always wants me dead when he's scum. If I ping on him as scum, he's scum. There's a very subtle difference in his cadence, and I think I learned it based on our time being masons in a game that went like 8 days.

When I hosted, like 90% of the dead town chat was me discussing my own game with a couple of the dead town, sometimes for hours at a time. I can discuss game meta even if I know what everyone is already~

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Basically though it's rather NAI how open I'm being because I don't really care, I just leave it out on the table naturally because to me setting up my "future" is just as important to how I look in the game itself. If I'm hiding something I'm doing it for a very deliberate reason aka I always have a plan if I lie as town. I sold a vanilla claim as bus driver recently because I knew I was going to get nuked by a re-direction bypassing Strongman if I claimed my role straight up. I "may" have played this a little tighter as scum than I have, but I'm not sure. Either way, this game sets a town baseline for me quite nicely.

Speaking of beneficial lies... I'm effectively the protege of a player who intentionally baited pressure onto himself day 1 of a game as bodyguard to claim vanilla, no actioned for four consecutive nights, then saved the Town RB out of the blue on night 5 and completely ruined the game for scum. That sounds fun~

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Math, how many hood you think are scum?

I'm going to be honest in that I've almost completely ignored metaing the hood at all. If any number of them can be scum, does trying to blindly figure out how many actually matter?

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Basically though it's rather NAI how open I'm being because I don't really care, I just leave it out on the table naturally because to me setting up my "future" is just as important to how I look in the game itself. If I'm hiding something I'm doing it for a very deliberate reason aka I always have a plan if I lie as town. I sold a vanilla claim as bus driver recently because I knew I was going to get nuked by a re-direction bypassing Strongman if I claimed my role straight up. I "may" have played this a little tighter as scum than I have, but I'm not sure. Either way, this game sets a town baseline for me quite nicely.

Speaking of beneficial lies... I'm effectively the protege of a player who intentionally baited pressure onto himself day 1 of a game as bodyguard to claim vanilla, no actioned for four consecutive nights, then saved the Town RB out of the blue on night 5 and completely ruined the game for scum. That sounds fun~

Well whoever you are welcome. I hope you enjoy playing here.

I'm a Kitten.

Meow.

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On Ger:

Started d2 with what could be considered a busy work post. I commented that. And there was continued effort. I liked that. They’ve seemed to kinda go back into looking busy mode with the in thread note takeing.

Don’t mods offer you your own space for that?

That’s always my thing with them, not the actual content but the motive behind it.

Ger has had a lot of posts that look busy for the sake of being busy, but his argument when being called on it by me effectively feels like "If you knew me at all you'd know this isn't scummy coming from me" in a way that had a bit of a town inflection I can't really pinpoint.

Imma keep nudging at him and see what else I can read off of it.

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I'd rather just... Pursue people based on their general scumminess, I guess?

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Mmm keep in mind that these kinds of things will effect me regardless of my alignment. My Seasonal Affective is also playing a factor because it finally warmed up the last few days, and when it warms up I go a bit haywire internally until my body adjusts. I have a natural temperature around 97F/36.2C, and tend to naturally function better in the cold.

But yes, something you said about Scorpious has been on my mind. He's given the vibe of "creating distance" from me more than he's ever given the vibe of ever actually trying to kill me.

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Mmm keep in mind that these kinds of things will effect me regardless of my alignment. My Seasonal Affective is also playing a factor because it finally warmed up the last few days, and when it warms up I go a bit haywire internally until my body adjusts. I have a natural temperature around 97F/36.2C, and tend to naturally function better in the cold.

Oh wow, I tend to keep my house between 60-65F/15.6C. Anything about 75F/23.9C and I And I absolutely love when it’s and overcast; no sun and cool temps, etc.

But yes, something you said about Scorpious has been on my mind. He's given the vibe of "creating distance" from me more than he's ever given the vibe of ever actually trying to kill me.

I’ve noticed that with Titus and dw as well. Like he thinks they’re scum but not really trying to prove that they are, just that they’re voting him so “yeah, scum.”

He seems too busy waffling or contradicting on almost every read he has to actually have conviction on anything.

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Wait is day ending that fast?

...Maybe it's a good thing all the noise has been forcing me to stay awake. I popped in here 'cause what else was I gonna do while barely functional at like 8:30am

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Votecount 2.3

Line Rider Beta 2 (2006) - fsk

Scorpious

(3): Titus, Dwlee99, Carcalilly

geraintm

(1): Meuh

Carcalilly

(1): Gamma Emerald

Meuh

(1): JacksonVirgo

Not Voting

(5): Scorpious, geraintm, Crescent, ItalianoVD, MathBlade
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-05-19 22:33:37)
Titus V/LA Friday Evening - Monday Morning
Crescent V/LA this week

Quoting prior VC for timer c’mon y’all let’s get an elim!

Bruh we might have like 8 hours or so left.

The timer updates naturally, whatever time’s listed is accurate, we have over 24 hours left!

Ok that's what I thought.

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He seems too busy waffling or contradicting on almost every read he has to actually have conviction on anything.

Ironically that might be a towntell.

Like I said, if this is how he normally plays as town, it's no wonder to me it's been stated several times this game that he's a magnet for votes.

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That's.. Some threepack on Ger.

It's like every other person that's been discussed for killing today lately.

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KITTENS YAY

I have been bribed by kittens before yes. Kittens always and forever.

But I counter with a question:

Is there any pressing need to be putting anyone -1 at the moment?

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But also, if you read how I am about votes yesterday, it makes sense that I have no vote down here anyways.

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KITTENS YAY

I have been bribed by kittens before yes. Kittens always and forever.

But I counter with a question:

Is there any pressing need to be putting anyone -1 at the moment?

The deadline.

I am concerned if we don’t e-1 now then we might not get an elim.

Isn't that like 24 hours off?

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To sum it up I don't trust people not to blindly accidentally or "accidentally" hammer and I'll even temporarily unvote someone I think is scum if it means preventing it. My vote on MM shows way later than it really was because I unvoted him after he hit -2 alarmingly quickly and I was worried about the possibility.

I then said if I had to pick two to do it it'd be Vanya and Gamma.

A day later I leave him at -2 this time and within hours Vanya and Gamma hammer him.

So like... I rest my case~

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KITTENS YAY

I have been bribed by kittens before yes. Kittens always and forever.

But I counter with a question:

Is there any pressing need to be putting anyone -1 at the moment?

The deadline.

I am concerned if we don’t e-1 now then we might not get an elim.

Isn't that like 24 hours off?

Yeah but if you are who I think you are the site you’re from has tons of people post fast. That happens 50/50 towards deadline at best.

Our average day 1 is over 1,000 and sometimes over 2,000 posts in 48 hours so... Fast is a way to put it.

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VOTE: geraint

busy today, going home. if I'm still alive when I get my pc back I'll make a final readlist/thoughtblock. I'm just a VT so it doesn't rly matter, just pray there's no RB. GL

Like this is her most recent post.

I would rather see what's coming than push a hammer right now.

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VOTE: geraint

busy today, going home. if I'm still alive when I get my pc back I'll make a final readlist/thoughtblock. I'm just a VT so it doesn't rly matter, just pray there's no RB. GL

Like this is her most recent post.

I would rather see what's coming than push a hammer right now.

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It just occurred to me I'm going to spend like half the day tomorrow filling out workers' comp forms and revisiting places from Monday so my activity is also going to be limited.

I wonder when Carca's followup post is going to come. It's been over 10 hours since the one I posted.

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It's been almost 24 hours since Carc's last post which promised more content..

Something does strike me a bit off about the train on her. Not sure what. Maybe it's that it feels like it kinda came a bit out of nowhere.

But she's also like, not doing anything right now as the vote leader with time winding down, which doesn't feel right either. Kinda gives a "hiding from the game" sort of vibe.


How much time do we have left? I'm stuck with a buncha paperwork right now.

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The thing that makes me wonder about the Ger vote is what I said last night... Basically every person up for discussion for voting off right now are all on the same person.

And I feel like I've given better reasons to possibly be on him than at least 1 of them so...

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It's been almost 24 hours since Carc's last post which promised more content..

Something does strike me a bit off about the train on her. Not sure what. Maybe it's that it feels like it kinda came a bit out of nowhere.

But she's also like, not doing anything right now as the vote leader with time winding down, which doesn't feel right either. Kinda gives a "hiding from the game" sort of vibe.


How much time do we have left? I'm stuck with a buncha paperwork right now.

About 12 hours.

Let’s put it this way

Assume I am wrong on Carca, we lose a dead weight VT and we can look at who didn’t want to wagon a dead weight VT to avoid suspicion.

Or we’re right and Carca flips scum

Either way not being on Carca is way more suspicious than being off it

Well good news is I see someone unvoted so my vote no longer pushes it -1 which was my chief concern about voting last night. No showing for ~24 hours in this situation is pretty unacceptable.

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why is crescent possible scum for you scorp?

I honestly have no idea.

He half-assedly called me scum yesterday.

Voted me.

Said he only did this to reaction test MM and voted MM.

Now is back to half-assedly calling me scum.


I honestly have no clue why, though. I kinda just gave up trying to make any sense of the nonsense he constantly spouts.

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And I just realized the hospital itself did not properly sign off on it's own paperwork, so I can't finish it and I effectively need to do an extra trip.

zzzzzz


VOTE: Carca

Let's just get this back to -2 unless she actually shows up and does something. I have even more of a headache waiting for me than I thought.

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. . . . . .

Scorpious hit the point with me days ago (probably around the time he flipped on Titus' alignment for like the 8th time) where even if he dies and flips town, I'm going to just completely ignore everything he's ever said. He has no conviction in anything and his posts are useless to me.

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What do y’all make of Scorp’s 1814?

More uselessness that spouts out a bunch of names and doesn't give a reason for anything.

He really does give the vibe of trying to "save" me for a vote later though, the way he constantly brings me up and never gives a single reason for it.

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Both of these days have summed up so perfectly why I don't rush to put people -1/-2~

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I kinda now think Italiano only unvoted specifically to see if I would vote...

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Both of these days have summed up so perfectly why I don't rush to put people -1/-2~

yesterday your point is kinda valid but today we were riding close to deadline, so the unceremonious hammer is fine ig

We had 36 hours left yesterday and a promise of more content soon from Carca. That was enough for me to give her the night.

...Of course she didn't use it.

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Both of these days have summed up so perfectly why I don't rush to put people -1/-2~

yesterday your point is kinda valid but today we were riding close to deadline, so the unceremonious hammer is fine ig

We had 36 hours left yesterday and a promise of more content soon from Carca. That was enough for me to give her the night.

...Of course she didn't use it.

This.

...Weren't you the guy who tried to bribe me into pushing her -1?

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Actually angwy

I'm kinda uncomfortable.

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Actually angwy

I'm kinda uncomfortable.

Why?

Something does strike me a bit off about the train on her. Not sure what. Maybe it's that it feels like it kinda came a bit out of nowhere.

Though the whole disappearing act the last 24 hours was... A thing.

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I assume that quote on me was accidental

Nope. I quoted your feeling with my own feeling.

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I assume that quote on me was accidental

Nope. I quoted your feeling with my own feeling.

That last part is the one thing that's really stuck out to me. I have no idea what her reads are outside of wanting Scorpious dead.

I don't see how doctor wanting to kill other claimed protection is inherently scum aligned.

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Ok I have no idea where a quoted post came from I did not quote a post there

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The only part of the analysis I really agree with is how bad deathtunneling him with 0 regard to who else might be scum looked, though someone said Titus often is a tunneler.. Though this feels excessive.

If I'm scum here I both don't kill him last night and I don't fear him acting tonight. I don't see why I would?

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Because she desperately has to get rid of Scorpious before he acts.

So nightkill him.

She can’t nightkill him if she or whoever is mutually agreed upon is blocked.

She had to get rid of Scorpious because me Gamma Scorpious three player town block is deadly in a normal.

There is no way Town Titus does any of this. I don’t think I am capable of hearing otherwise especially with the Roden kill.

If he's town, Scorpious needs to play with some actual conviction or he's glorified dead weight who will never sway anyone to anything.

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That's a bit of a loose definition to me. My last scumgame I was effectively town's vocal leader on days 4 and 5.

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Red sorry

??

He screwed up and talked about Carca flipping the wrong color

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You being gunsmith doesn't make scorious town mathblade

It does. Especially with Titus doctor claim.

Titus expected to ride that to the bank then got mad when she got called out. Ever since then she hasn’t given a single viable read on anyone. For a hyperposter like her that’s sus.

Titus claiming doctor increases Scorpious' odds of being scum

If they are real.

I was already townreading Titus and counterclaiming was completely unnecessary from scum her POV. Why does Titus claim doctor as scum here?

Ive been questioning the same thing.

I don’t see why Titus does it as town here
And I see why she does it as scum.

The fact that people bring this up AGAIN only reinforces it in my mind she’s scum.

It only matters if you think the people questioning it are also scum though

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You being gunsmith doesn't make scorious town mathblade

It does. Especially with Titus doctor claim.

Titus expected to ride that to the bank then got mad when she got called out. Ever since then she hasn’t given a single viable read on anyone. For a hyperposter like her that’s sus.

Titus claiming doctor increases Scorpious' odds of being scum

If they are real.

I was already townreading Titus and counterclaiming was completely unnecessary from scum her POV. Why does Titus claim doctor as scum here?

Ive been questioning the same thing.

I don’t see why Titus does it as town here
And I see why she does it as scum.

The fact that people bring this up AGAIN only reinforces it in my mind she’s scum.

It only matters if you think the people questioning it are also scum though

Mm, the one part of the argument that really sticks with me is still her play. She was repeatedly challenged to provide extra reads and simply never did.

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See I both don't like it and agree it's the right play.

The two feelings aren't mutually exclusive~

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Am worried this flips Green and we end up halfway back to square one tomorrow though.

Then again I'm usually worried.

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Am worried this flips Green and we end up halfway back to square one tomorrow though.

Then again I'm usually worried.

I am not. That apology seems fake as they didn’t even give a read saying “hey I think Scorpious or Titus is scum”

She gave nothing.

To be fair I wrote that before her post and I generally don't bother to pedit.

That post was pretty useless.

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Why did you quote me then?

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I tried for a bit it didn't work then I stopped caring.

The only reason I even have one on Discord is a server I'm on demanded it.

Except I actually got that one to work quickly.

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Also if you see a tilde it's probably me. I like tildes~

I think they're cute <3

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Did you really just go through all that just to write "eat ass"

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Nice lolcatting
This is a red flip I guarantee it.

Meow

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That sounds fun. I think you meant it as an insult but I don’t take it that way.

Do you have any reads or would you rather just throw around insults?

I didn't actually, I have an awful sense of humor I like to throw around is all.

Did you really just go through all that just to write "eat ass"

Idk what you're talkin' about

That’s very bold of you /dry dad humor

Pretty sure I was right and Carca flips scum here based on this.

What do you call a fake noodle?

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What do you call a fake noodle?

What? ;o

An impasta.

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One of the first things JV ever did this game was say our at-best waffle machine sounded "genuine".

One of those things that's still never sat quite right with me.

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Titus,
I’ll make you a deal..

If I flip scum I will retire from MS..

How’s that one work?

Oops can't do that.

Ain't that against the rules or something?

It's an instant MK where I come from.

Not sure what it's like here.

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This will stay just between us.

Who is this guy?

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Oh finally I've been refreshing every couple of minutes

I wrote a wall, will post in a couple of minutes on computer

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While I completely disagree with Scorpious' assertion at the end of the day, him totally flubbing colors and then going after DWLee again anyway after might be the first thing he's done that actually townvibed me.

Anyways, Cara flipping Green would've made DWLee look *better*. Cara flipping Red makes them look *worse* just by VCA.

Scorpious (3): Titus, Dwlee99, Carcalilly
geraintm (1): Meuh

Went to:

geraintm (3): Meuh, Dwlee99, Carcalilly

Those 3 votes all stayed on Gera for a long while.

DWlee only voted Cara once it kinda became clear Cara was in fact going to die. It was pretty clear I was on the fence between Cara and Ger, but Ger's odd selfmeta townvibed me and Cara's general disappearance didn't. Up until my vote was placed, Cara was not a guaranteed vote off.

DWLee's vote has no town equity because of how late it was placed. The Ger vote has scum equity because it went against a scum voteoff. Somewhere around 2 1/2 days before the day ended, I started to really get the feeling that Ger/Carca was exactly one town/one scum. It's conceivably possible both were scum, but that also would mean Ger and Carca committed to bussing fairly early in the day.


Anyway to go a step further, we had this:

Carcalilly (4): Gamma Emerald, ItalianoVD, geraintm, MathBlade
geraintm (3): Meuh, Dwlee99, Carcalilly
Scorpious (1): Titus
Dwlee99 (1): Scorpious
Meuh (1): JacksonVirgo

I was the only person without a vote down when this update happened, with about 24 hours left in the day.

The people wasting their votes on splinters are interesting though - Neither Titus nor Scorpious have their vote on one of those trains, and JV is off also avoiding them. This is the second consecutive voteoff that looks *really* bad on JV's playerslot. Meuh is a wasted vote in this situation. Lee had a *chance* of being rushed, so Scorpious being there isn't as bad. Titus was just... Not even trying to play along with anyone. JV could easily be scum avoiding committing to any of these votes. Additionally, if he is scum, I would be pretty surprised if Ger was. Ger/Carca scum means JV should be on one of them early for towncred.

Which makes me expound this point further. If I toss my vote on Ger, you have all three of Titus, Scorpious, and JV, with the ability to switch votes off of splinters to put him in the lead. If Ger is town, which he probably is, scum was sitting there hoping my vote would go on him, as I had voiced a fair amount more suspicion of him before finding his self-meta oddly town vibey. I would almost guarantee that town Ger = At least one of those splinter votes is scum.

It is conceivable to me that Meuh is simply town caught on the wrong vote in a town v scum situation, though posts #1657 and #1949 go from "I think Carca is a 50/50 flip and Carca/JV aren't the same alignment" to "JV is probably scum regardless of Carca's alignment". She then immediately says in the next three posts that Carca is going to flip town. She gives no reason for these changes in stance - Mostly all she does the last three days of the game is say "Gerain is scum" with little content aside from suddenly calling me town in one post and never mentioning me again. I honestly feel like I did more to push a Ger vote than Meuh did, except she had a vote on him for over 3 days.

if Titus/Scorpious are considered to having conflicting claims by this place's meta, then one scum is there (Where I come from both being town would be possible, but that doesn't seem to be how it's treated here).

DWlee's scum equity is a lot higher if Titus is scum and Scorpious is town. Though it would mean scum went gambity and all piled onto the same guy hoping people would distance them as a result. I've seen it before, especially when scum feels cornered. If Mathblade lives tonight, then his suggestion that scum was "afraid" to let Scorpious live the day has more merit and makes this kind of gambit more likely.

JV's is the same. Definitely higher scum equity with Titus than with Scorpious. His rationale about being town because he's "Letting the GS get a free check" assumes Mathblade is actually going to live tonight, and I don't think he will so it's a moot point. Coming up with the idea first actually reflects *worse* on JV if Mathblade dies tonight.

Meuh mostly ignores Scorpious but would kill him over Titus and doesn't think either are a good vote. Mathblade's death is pretty null on her.

Two of the three players make way more sense with Titus being scum over Scorpious, as does Carca's flip. The same two players reflect differently depending on if Mathblade survives the night or not. The third could go either way.


And now I read into Carca...

Carca was on Scorpious instantly on day 2, unvoted because he went -2 very quickly, and only revoted him quite a bit later (#1449) than Titus' claim (#1357). What's interesting is... Carca's last post was a minute after Titus claimed, but she made no comment on it. This feels like Carca went into lurking to figure out if she should vote for Scorpious or not. She then gets two votes, possibly for going into hiding in the first place, and immediately votes Scorp. JV immediately votes her for this. (but later is adamant she's town?)

Carca's day 1 votes: Gamma, Gerain, Moose (now JV), MM
Day 2 votes: Scorpious early on, then back to Scorpious much later, then ultimately to Ger in her final post before vanishing for 24 hours and dying. What's interesting though is that Carca's very next post after DWLee votes for Ger is to.. Also vote for Ger before peacing out. This *kind of* feels like scum following town onto a vote, so it does give some town credit to DWLee. Carca shaded/set up voting Gerain very early on, but never gave any sort of solid reason for it.

For Scorpious to be scum requires this to be a twice-premediated bus by Carca. She gave effectively no content after her second vote on him - She did almost nothing but snipe at Math (Math is town we know) and then change her vote to Ger, who she had also set up voting earlier in the day. If you "theorycrafted" that Titus/Meuh are scum, that would have made DWLee the second vote on two town voteoffs and Carca the third vote on the same town voteoffs that had STS in votes.


After all of this internal spew put into typing:

If I had to guess, there's a decent probability of DWLee just being "incorrect town with tons of scum equity" rather than DWLee actually being scum based off of Carca basically being a mirror of them and their votes.


I decided to now brush up on Meuh, trying to figure out where early town reads that protected her yesterday came from.
Immediately votes onto JV's spot, and defends Scorpious and Carca.
Then defends DWLee and shades Gerain
Like tere's tons of reads being shot out in the first... 50 posts of the game.
Later on ...Ok Meuh has been shading Gerain the entire game. Says she's going to ISO him at one point because she really wants to sort him, then doesn't ISO him and still lists him in the kill pool before voting for DWLee.

Problem though:
Says town vibes from DWLee in post #86. She never mentions DWLee again in any capacity until vote #593 and says "I've never attempted to sort them" and specifically votes them because other people have voiced some suspicion. I even called her out on how fake this sounded in post #602. She also almost immediately shades Gerain again after voting for DWLee - Because Gerain voted for her in post #596 for a reason that looking back is actually pretty good. The answer is: I'm not sure where the early town reads came from. She spits out tons of reads in the opening seconds of the game, but doesn't follow up or commit to them. Says ISOs are coming, but doesn't give them. Reads come out, but some just aren't explained at all. They resemble her vote on DWLee - They're air.

Day 2 she voted JV's slot early before the replacement, but almost completely ignored the replacement for hundreds of posts. The same vibe can be said when she suddenly said I was town yesterday because... ???. She's actually done a lot of what Carca was accused of doing - Barely a factor day 2. Barely commented on anything to do with Scorpious or Titus. Ger just became a safe place for her to keep her vote parked and she stayed there. This vote was made at #1102 and very little came from her afterwards. If Ger doesn't get extra votes later on (All the way at #1647 is when he gets #2), hers just sits there as a splinter.

I would vote Meuh before DWLee. DWLee's even worse reads aside, they've felt like they're simply more committed in their play - There's more of a natural flow whereas Meuh gives a strong vibe of playing to set up later votes.. Combine all this with Meuh effectively blatantly countersuspecting JV quickly like she did Gerain, and JV/Meuh probably isn't S/S. I think a green Meuh flip makes JV look hellishly worse and a red flip makes him look better

I could see a world where DWLee, JV, and Gerain are all town (Even though JV's yesterday doesn't look particularly good - I think his vote was correct.), and Meuh is the scum outlier of that cluster. Meuh's first day was mostly just a spew of general emptiness that was overhyped because she said so much in such a short timespan.{/b]

Oh and wall posting to start days is NAI for me. If I don't expect to die (I think Mathblade is going to turn up dead) and I go into "ramble in the middle of the night" mode I'll write one. Even by my standards this ended up really long.


P.S. For the record, I kinda don't think we kill Tidus or Scorpious today regardless of what happened last night. If we're killing Tidus especially, I would rather do it on an even day aka tomorrow. Meuh is my lean on who to vote right now.

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Oh I messed up the bold.... Because I used the wrong bracket for one of the tags and like usual didn't edit my work.

Oh well.

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Also it looks like my line breaks didn't properly transition, everything seems too bunched together.

Food for thought for next time I wall post I guess?

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I can't remember the last time I didn't see a day come up on time. Is it kinda normal here? It's happened both days this game. It would explain why I seem to have been the only person OCD refreshing the page for an hour...

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I want Meuh dead but Titus is obvscum for this. Neighbourhood chat they were anti-spewing.

VOTE: Titus

I'd rather kill her on day 4. Killing her today just gets Scorpious shot tonight.

If Scorpious gets shot tonight anyway we basically have Titus virtually scumconfirmed for day 4 anyway.

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sigh

.
I'm not a he

I may have totally missed the they/them on your thing

Oops

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I want Meuh dead but Titus is obvscum for this. Neighbourhood chat they were anti-spewing.

VOTE: Titus

I'd rather kill her on day 4. Killing her today just gets Scorpious shot tonight.

If Scorpious gets shot tonight anyway we basically have Titus virtually scumconfirmed for day 4 anyway.

Scorp is likely shot tonight anyway.

I'd rather try to figure out non-Titus scum because A: Titus is apparently just a glorified godfather at best and B. Titus is claiming scum if she kills Scorpious anyway. I don't really see the need to rush and her and I'd rather try to solve from the poe pile. Rushing her just removes another town voice via NK and then we're back with this same discussion minus a town member.

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For the record I don't think MB dying tonight is an outright Titus scumclaim. Scorpious dying tonight would be.

What was she doing in neighborchat, anyway?

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Ger s probably town. He comes off to me as a guy scum has been setting up as a scapegoat.

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Days aren't automated where I come from either.

I put up a day from a Passover Seder once!

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Ger s probably town. He comes off to me as a guy scum has been setting up as a scapegoat.

Do you think him and carca have any anti-associatives?

Carca and Meuh both shared a tendency to constantly shade Ger while voting for other people. Meuh only ended up there as a splinter to avoid being on probably town Scorpious, the same way she was on you to avoid known town MM. Carca only ended up there by immediately joining after your vote. This put the vote to 3, with me as a potential 4th vote on Ger that never came. If my vote goes there, the entire scope of the day changes.

I believe scum was hoping to hell my vote would be on Ger yesterday.

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Actually Meuh makes sense with a Scorpious of either alignment. Carca is the one who would've had to be hard bussing him practically all day.

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So you think it's Carca/Meuh/Who?

Honestly I'm inclined to trust MathBlade on Scorpious

I think Carca following you twice makes you look better even though I tend to disagree with everything you say.

I think JV is right about Meuh

Carca/Meuh/Titus or Carca/JV/Titus are both teams that makes a strong amount of sense given how yesterday played out.

Meuh is decisively more likely to be scum with Scorpious, though - She used her Ger vote to almost completely ignore Scorpious/Titus.

If people are using the meta to say one of those two is almost certainly scum, Meuh is the #1 candidate for a player that could feasibly be scum with both of them.

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Decisively more likely to be scum with Scorpious than the other candidates, I should say. JV would be second in that department, but she's clearly first.

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I don't see anything that rules out ger as scum with carca and I think he's individually scummy

I could be very wrong about everything though I guess

Ger's weird way of self-metaing town inflected on me for some reason I've never quite been able to explain. For that vote to be scum/scum means they spent most of day 2 attacking each other for really no good reason, and that after Scorpious, scum made effectively no attempt to push for a town voteoff. I think Ger was the attempted town voteoff.

I feel like Occam's Razor says Ger is town here.

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So you think it's Carca/Meuh/Who?

Honestly I'm inclined to trust MathBlade on Scorpious

I think Carca following you twice makes you look better even though I tend to disagree with everything you say.

I think JV is right about Meuh

Carca/Meuh/Titus or Carca/JV/Titus are both teams that makes a strong amount of sense given how yesterday played out.

Meuh is decisively more likely to be scum with Scorpious, though - She used her Ger vote to almost completely ignore Scorpious/Titus.

If people are using the meta to say one of those two is almost certainly scum, Meuh is the #1 candidate for a player that could feasibly be scum with both of them.

If scum is in the neighbourhood. It's only in Titus and myself. Since it cannot be me without Titus, Titus is the elim for today. Math died so there's definite scum in Titus/Scorp. Titus was literally almost dead silent in the hood after a red flip which is against what a Town would do (except me I was quite upset about that flip which is kinda stupid since it's red but eh, more of a pride thing).

Titus is very very likely to just be the scum, if not certain.

Oh I know Titus is decisively more likely.

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Honestly it wasn't until the Meuh ISO in my wall that I realized just how little she's actually done this game. Lots of billowed smoke, but not a lotta substance behind it. Her stance change on JV is also pretty telling.

She goes from "I think Carca/JV is one town one scum" and for no given reason goes "JV is scum regardless of Carca's alignment." - AFTER Carca was already hammered This reeks of knowing Carca is going down and still trying to salvage the JV suspicion. The end of her day 2 is horrid.

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I would prefer Meuh but that's ONLY because of pride. Titus is the obvious elim for today

I'm not going to stop Titus votes here think she's scum too.

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Also Italiano can confirm if she's been super duper quiet in Hood chat considering it originally sounded like she was the only one talking. It really does inflect badly on her.

Titus was Hood with 3 inactives who got replaced by 3 of the most active players in the game. You'd think that should make her more active there.

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Since it cannot be me without Titus

Why is this?

Because I pushed off of their wagon after jumping onto it. If I was scum with them as town that wouldn't make sense. If we both were it would, so that's the only way.

Ultimately this is just WIFOM though.

Though I don't think you were really going to get votes today anyway so...

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Honestly my biggest worry about rushing Titus votes is stagnating the game though. I've seen 48 hour day games get totally stagnated by days that have set votes right at the start and this day lasts a week.

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Come to think of it...

Titus uses the hood to early townclear Moose... After saying she'd vote for him previously.

But what's more interesting is: Titus is clearly hinting at Andres and Moose being inactive in the hood, and continues to nudge at Moose, eventually calling him town for being so clueless.

This is either a very premediated S/S, or Moose was just clueless town and she basically towncleared him for us. It's probably the latter. Curiously, Scorpious also defended Moose (as did I).

Moose eventually turning into JV, of course.

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VOTE: Titus
Easiest vote ever. She let the Kayfabe drop HARD last night.

Btw y’all are forgetting Scorpious is even nights only

Kind of why I humored letting Titus live today, yes, since it's not an even day.

If I'm paranoid about anything it's how much "sense" those two being scum makes... It's rarely that simple.

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Also Italiano can confirm if she's been super duper quiet in Hood chat

considering it originally sounded like she was the only one talking

. It really does inflect badly on her.

And this wasn’t even the case.

When I replaced in these were the posts numbers:

Vanya (8)
Titus (5)
Andres (3)
Moose (0)

Out of all those posts there was only (1) actual game advancing post by Vanya.

Interesting. It does also confirm Moose simply was not there.

Though it feels like Titus' part wasn't much either, then?

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Actually to be fair these are you talking about Carca, saying she was suspect, but that Gera was more scummy to you.

Spoiler:

Assuming your not today's elim scorp, I'd be willing to wait for N2. If you're legit, you could prove it.

How is Scorpious gonna prove he is a jailkeeper?

And even if he does... How does that prove his alignment?

I actually agree with a good chunk.

Top down with points to add:

Gera: I scumread gera more than you do. He does not sound townie and things feel kinda forced
Gamma: didn't like their vote on me but I don't think JV AND Gamma are scum prob
Math: prob town but I think I have more reservations just cause the dismissal of scum!Scorpious
Vanya: prob town(?)
Crescent: okay kinda true
Carca: they have mild sussery

You also don't mention JV but the white knight for Scorpious is weird. Step back on me okay but that their vote is still there and they haven't committed to any scumread I'm wary of them

Carca: they have mild sussery

Gera is way scummier than carca though imo

To be less snarky: I am pushing Scorpious. I know I'm town

I strongly believe Titus is town.

That means at least 2 town pushing Scorpious, so you can't just claim it's textbook scum behavior.

Carca could be scum, but the reason for being scum is not pushing Scorpious

Dwlee why G over Carca?

Gera is scummy

Does math really think that all 3 scum are the most wanting Scorpious? Like Me/Titus/Carca just all thought it was a genius idea to pile on to the same wagon?

Yeah I don’t like this at all. If anything this makes me more convinced we should elim Carcalilly.

Carcalilly does nothing, acts like caught scum, then people pile on saying don’t vote with shitty reasons.

If Carcalilly towntold then that would have been your argument earlier

And Ger? And Scorpious?

Your poe can be wrong

VOTE: carca
let's get it over with

Hmm. I'm starting to think you maybe were pressured by Math at the point you voted Carca and just wanted the day to end.

That's the point I was making. It's why DWLee's vote on Carca has no town equity. The vote was only there because it was forced to be there.

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It's not a bus vote on Carca when Carca was already definitely going to die after my vote there.

Bus implies having something to actually do with why the player was voted off. Cards was going to die with or without DWlee's vote there.

There's no towncred for a late tack on vote. I feel like a bus for the sake of credibility comes before my vote.

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Cards? You auto corrected that one? None of the others?

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It's not a bus vote on Carca when Carca was already definitely going to die after my vote there.

Bus implies having something to actually do with why the player was voted off. Cards was going to die with or without DWlee's vote there.

There's no towncred for a late tack on vote. I feel like a bus for the sake of credibility comes before my vote.

Yeah that's fine, we have a different interpretation of bussing, but it's cool.

You can look at dw's progression on Carca two ways:

1) A town!dwlee who really felt that Gera was more scummy then Carca and just voted for them to get the day and because they felt pressured by Math.

2) A scum!dwlee distancing from Carca throwing out the Gera read given it was a small consensus and knowing it could get traction, but when it started to look like it wasn't going to go through they agreed to bus their partner, try to get towncred, and if asked say they were following Math and/or felt pressured.

It's about what's more likely in these scenarios. I'd like others to weigh in on this and see what they think.

I just disagree with your assessment of why they voted to begin with. Mathblade didn't pressure DWlee into voting for Carca. Carca being put to 5 votes made it clear Carca was getting axed. This was the sole reason DWlee changed their vote. There is no scum nor town equity to a switch to a dead-player-walking.

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VOTE: carca
let's get it over with

And this just backs up my point. The vote only came because it became accepted Carca was going to die.

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Carca was a foregone conclusion the moment my vote went there because it effectively made it 5. Your vote being temporarily off didn't change much.

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(Basically if anyone was bussing yesterday it was me, not them)

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Mathblade didn't pressure DWlee into voting for Carca.

But yet they posted this...

Spoiler:

I voted for Carca because MathBlade insisted on it and I figured there was no point fighting without flips

I'd buy the reasoning more if it came before my vote.

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You said Scorpious yesterday. Why the change?

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Carca was a foregone conclusion the moment my vote went there because it effectively made it 5. Your vote being temporarily off didn't change much.

That's not correct. The last votecount in 1801 has Carca at 4 votes. I unvote in 1822 putting her at 3 votes. You voted Carca in 1843 putting her back at 4 votes. Three posts later dw places their vote in 1846. I hammer in 1848.

Your vote was as good as still on her.

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I mean, you unvoted just to see if I would vote as a result. Your read didn't magically change in the situation.

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I'm still curious how he went from instantly voting Carca for voting Scorpious to being adamant she was town.

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Why do I keep doing that with JV I don't do it with DWlee

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Of course they knew. Everyone knew.

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Honestly this is all kinda just semantics because we agree they're probably just town-incorrect-on-everything anyway.

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I do keep forgetting though that a hammer actually has to be achieved here. I think I've played like two games ever where a hammer was actually mandatory for anything.

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I wouldn't say 100% (I never say 100%) but just way less likely than Titus to the point that it's kinda negligible.

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My ability to meta games here is completely out of whack because they go too far against my norm.

The game I hosted had 3 scum in 12 with one vanilla, two superpowered scum (either one could effectively use an unblockable extra kill), a gimped as hell doctor, and a town power role that had tons of backfire potential (and targeted someone it had a bad interaction with), with two millers... And scum spent a lot of the game complaining about being underpowered anyway.

I'd consider scum hellishly underpowered if they didn't have a strongman or roleblocker here, personally.

I created an interesting role during that game. It was a town role that effectively kidnapped and interrogated it's target for up to 24 hours, in a separate chat space, and could choose to either kill said targeted player or to let them return to the game. It was a perfect fit thematically, somehow.

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The definition of power balance here is significantly more town sided than what I'm used to. That's kind of the point.

I don't consider the neighborhood to even be a thing that matters as far as balance goes. It "exists".

3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.

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Essentially it means scum need 4 voteoffs and have no possible way of making it 3.

That's a tough sell in 13 with basically no power.

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But anyway yep I am not qualified to meta games here at all moving on.

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The definition of power balance here is significantly more town sided than what I'm used to. That's kind of the point.

I don't consider the neighborhood to even be a thing that matters as far as balance goes. It "exists".

3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.

Closed normals are generally town-sided.

I've almost never actually played an open game either so I don't really have any comparison to make. Most games I've played have been thematic, closed setups. The game I hosted was based on the show "Psych".

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But also everyone's just kinda set on killing Titus so this is what we're talking about instead which I admit isn't great.

I'm in a waiting room it does give me something to do.

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3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.

godfather is semi-useless without a cop so you're just thinking mountainous setups?

10v3 is actually biased against Town without town power roles.

Spoiler:

Titus is "godfather" to Mathblade if she is scum.

No difference to me really. The actual role godfather being banned is arbitrary.

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3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.

godfather is semi-useless without a cop so you're just thinking mountainous setups?

10v3 is actually biased against Town without town power roles.

Spoiler:

According to that chart so is 11-2, apparently.

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Anyways the best role is and will always be town vanilla*

*Except that one game where I was a vanilla that could keep posting after I died. That was SWEET.

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3 scum in 13 with a godfather and no other power would be considered a heavily town-sided setup, since it goes against the 25-33% scum rule and gives scum nothing to make up for it.

godfather is semi-useless without a cop so you're just thinking mountainous setups?

10v3 is actually biased against Town without town power roles.

Spoiler:

According to that chart so is 11-2, apparently.

Indeed. 11-2 is rarely used with PRs. Town with PRs usually balance the 10v3 enough to make it relatively close to 50% if not a little more.

I'm also the kind of player who will never claim a role like that unless it's my actual role. I could effectively townconfirm myself without even dying with that monster.

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Concede what

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I wanna say that concession felt premature but the PoE was locked down to basically meuh and dwlee once titus flipped

We had at least three people locked into Titus -> Meuh

What's.. "novice" detective?

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Concede what

Forfeit, essentially.

I didn't know that was a thing here either. Makes sense, though.

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Also town looks super OP from the standards I'm used to

Completely different meta here to get used to.

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Does JK have a gun?

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Great job town. We worked well together and were able to really take it to scum.

I have to admit you worried me slightly because we kept mind melding.

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btw I'm gonna clear this up now, that hammer was something I would do as scum, but I did it here because I'd quickhammered as scum before and was looking for a chance to do it as town at some point.

That hammer was totally NAI to me.

It was the quick vote on Scorpious I didn't like.

Unfortunately I picked out the wrong quick vote.

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Honestly power roles aside day 2 was just a disaster for scum. Ger/Dwlee came out looking like scapegoat/bad town and scum lost two voteoffs.

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Honestly I think my wall isn't that extensive if I'm in the right mindset to post day 2 though. I ended up in the ER until past 2am, then the only route I knew home was blocked and my phone was dead. It took me almost an hour to find my way home on what should've been a 20 minute trip.

Things like this completely short circuit my ability to get into the mindset I need to be in to play mafia.

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Honestly I think my wall isn't that extensive if I'm in the right mindset to post day 2 though. I ended up in the ER until past 2am, then the only route I knew home was blocked and my phone was dead. It took me almost an hour to find my way home on what should've been a 20 minute trip.

Things like this completely short circuit my ability to get into the mindset I need to be in to play mafia.

I am glad you’re okay. I have been there before as driving is a huge issue for me on the spectrum.

I am capable but I need my GPS to function.

I'm super docile and submissive by my nature. The reason I ever played mafia to begin with was just to see if I could handle it. It takes a lot out of me to engage myself in a game, which is why I generally don't play in two games consecutively. I need my headspace to be "proper" in order to keep myself functional.

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Honestly power roles aside day 2 was just a disaster for scum. Ger/Dwlee came out looking like scapegoat/bad town and scum lost two voteoffs.

i have this weird superpower where i am nearly impossible to vote off. scum shouldn't try and peg me as someone they can persuade a bunch of townies to vote for.

i am pleased i had caraclilly at the top of my scum list, even if i didn't vote for them straight away.

I sent two messages to the mod in the game, just to share some thoughts with someone.

the first was

"to give an update on my thinking, just thought you might liek to know.

i feel way out of my depththis game, the discussion around the roles is above my pay grade.

i feel fairly useless so far - but i honestly have had nothing to drive forward with, i am not getting any info until tonight.

being pushed doesn't surprise me, there can't be that many places left scum can go after

that would be Meuh, Crescent, Dwlee. i think it will be one of these 3 i check on tonight"

and second was

"well, i am pleased with that. i picked them out as my most suspicious player when i went back through the game in 983, and when i went through all their posts i didn't find enough to vote for them but they stayed at the top of my scum list

i said previous that i was most suspicious of the three pushing my elimination which was Meuh, Dwlee and Crescent.
WEll Meuh was voiting me along with Caraclily, and the other two were 4th and 5th on the wagon. either of those could be scum hopping onto an inevitable wagon. My initial thought was to check crescent, but i have a gut feeling it is Dwlee.

so Check DWLEE please

my concern now is that people are going to try and spin my interaction with Carcalily as distancing"

Agree with mod that mafia didn't disrupt the breaking open of the claims well enough - and once the clever people in the game has worked through the possibilites they didn't have enough places to push votes to.

The biggest issue with the train on you is something I pointed out on day 2. The quality of your voters (Meuh, DWlee, Cara) did not inspire confidence in your train at all.

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If anything those players should've been replaced sooner than they were.

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Honestly I think my wall isn't that extensive if I'm in the right mindset to post day 2 though. I ended up in the ER until past 2am, then the only route I knew home was blocked and my phone was dead. It took me almost an hour to find my way home on what should've been a 20 minute trip.

Things like this completely short circuit my ability to get into the mindset I need to be in to play mafia.

lifeshit comes first obviously, hope youre a lot better now tho. You're mad fun to play with actually, and I hope I see you around on the site more

If this were where I'm used to playing, I'd have had like 5 guys trying to "put me in my place" by the end of day 1 zzzzz

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I've seen such meta used before. It can be fairly accurate, but is generally frowned upon.

I sometimes lurk as both town and scum, and I'm used to doing with while hiding my activity just so people won't notice and call it out.