Open 854 | Eurybia's Curse | Game Over!

[Isis]

sometimes i miss the days when mafia was a more dispassionate game for me

[Isis]

the 51-49 is a point i can accept.

"but skitter is too bad at scum to make any casual posts" makes me rage

[Isis]

i'm actually trying to purge the "rage" cards from my deck in this monster train run coincidentally

[Isis]

I'm not saying TW slot is scum full stop, I'm saying in the interaction between TW and Ari there I found Ari townier. Duck/coral is still nullish and I'm gonna try my best to read it based on Coral

you didnt think the way duck got mad at me was townie?

i would really be surprised if he was capable of doing that as mafia >.>

it's that classic towntell toxicity race to the bottom

[Isis]

=

[Isis]

i tried my best and my best was terrible aaahahaha

[Isis]

isis how are you reading me rn?

I think you're one of the scummiest slots in the game but my max scumread for this game is a weaker feel than many games

[Isis]

I misread my own avatar as being kamek

[Isis]

Coral can i just ask if ur an alt of someone i've played a lot with?
Not asking who and i'm not trying to figure out who

In the main of someone you've played a lot with jsyk

[Isis]

*I'm

[Isis]

someone should totally pocket me rn so that i dont need to do the thinking

MOOD

[Isis]

marcistar's treatment of the fruit slot has been super bizarre and makes me feel like she knows he's town

Can you elaborate on this point bc I don't get it

elaborated later if this is a post by post catchup

[Isis]

i actually like cakez page 76

[Isis]

Yeah, I continue to just not get people's scumreads on Cakez

The unanimity on Gamma being scummy makes me uneasy but also is there really anyone scummier?

Coral can i just ask if ur an alt of someone i've played a lot with?
Not asking who and i'm not trying to figure out who

In the main of someone you've played a lot with jsyk

sorry i'm not sure what you're trying to say?

It was a joke

[Isis]

Oh sorry meuh's post was in multiquote cause I wanted to mention that I feel like proxy voting to her atp lol

[Isis]

I was going to prove my extremely recent fealty by voting GL even though I townread him but when you tossed in Titus too it felt too throwy

[Isis]

VOTE: Marci

[Isis]

@_@

[Isis]

I think it's maximum kosher not to talk about note PTs in any dimension.

Prism is a madlass that will use a PT anyway and I think Datisi might do it to so the stuff doesn't always ruin games but ehhh

[Isis]

Does Titus bloc mostly I don't actually no

[Isis]

does Titus usually refuse to vote partners is what I mean

players have different styles

[Isis]

skitter you just made a post that said "i townread marci at the start of the game, but I understand why her stock is down recently, and my change my view of her to a negative one"

then you made 8 posts saying GuiltyLion's read of marcistar shouldn't change.

[Isis]

Based on the VCs and how quick people are to defend marci without detailing why she's town, I'm ok with this

oh i hadn't read the rest of the page cause i was so stirred up

love you Titus

[Isis]

brilliant nuance like "how dare you vote one of your 5 townreads, the wagon eventually evolved to be 7 of your townreads and we all agree there's scum onwagon"

[Isis]

I am thinking

town: {

Titus

,

Marci

, Fruit,

Meuh

,

Isis

, Skitter}
prob town?: {

Ari

, Cakez,

Gamma

}
scummy: {the worst, Pav, Beat}

Like i guess i'm confused why out of all of your townreads on wagon (bolded) marci is who you're turning too. Up till this point in your iso you're not sus of her at all

this is such a bizarre post, who scumcases their townreads

[Isis]

why this emotional reaction btw, aren't you on the Isis-is-scum train? doesn't seem like it would come from that angle.

Coral thinks I'm scum an maybe I mix up all the sundresses though X_X

[Isis]

I mean I think Meuh is kind of identifying you as a dispassionate player

You do pick your battles more as scum but that's kinda tangential

[Isis]

Maybe emotional players can't pick their battles cause every little thing is worth squawks I guess

[Isis]

Why do you want to afk? It's less readable. Please don't shellder

[Isis]

.. who's plays are you feeling fruit

[Isis]

Do you think fruit is bad or scummy Marci?

I almost said ugly as one of the two by accident x.x

[Isis]

Can we make a grudge this game Marci
For us both to have
I want to share something special with you

[Isis]

Do you think my dress is ugly

[Isis]

It'd be easier to get this started if I did not also hate Baja blast

[Isis]

I have two precious black cats named Loki and Pandora and I love them more than life itself

[Isis]

Spoiler:

an older pic but I think marci deserves blessing

[Isis]

Not voting you at the moment but I was before and might do it again soon

Bulli

[Isis]

Meuh what would help you see me town bc unlike skitter I think you rolled town so

How do we learn eachothers language

[Isis]

Tbc "you are unlike skitter in that you are town" skitter has similar reads but I don't read her as town

[Isis]

I also fully read the flavor now and I really love the image of us being on stuck in the ice in the freezing cold with murderers in our crew and in order to cope with that we have just gone absolutely mad and are wearing sundresses in the snow and pretending we're on a pleasant cruise in the sunshine

Me wearing my Alabama wardrobe in Seattle and there was a fire drill today

[Isis]

Pavowski luigi

[Isis]

Is your skitter townread articulable? I'm writing coral off as town

[Isis]

Ugh 2041 seems genuine
VOTE: Pavowski
I think this is better

if scum don't bus it will be very hard for 7 out of 9 town to agree on an elim

the game feels slow for some reason

This makes it tempting to vote gamma as the slot most likely to pass that test maybe? Or Pavowski doesn't have many defenders either. Anyone with a couple town defenders doesn't need many scum abstentions to survive. Was that coherent

[Isis]

Oh I was also thinking about meuh's post

Do you think Pavowski is scummier individually or more vca, flow of the tides.

[Isis]

I think perhaps several people in this game feel that way about him

[Isis]

Beat wasn't the same, she played mafia and got misread. No one can remember any of Pavowskis posts

[Isis]

I doubt you are going to deduce five or more townreads from killing me Titus

"Gamma Emerald - Likely town. Scum wouldn't bite the hand that feeds it (Isis)" is this read a "no matter what Isis is" read or based on a bias that you think I'm maf?

[Isis]

That makes the most sense since you had an either or mindset with me possibly getting sawed for going at marci

[Isis]

It's weird that there's a universal (edit: meuh liked it didn't she) consensus that Marci's reaction to her wagon was poor yet several vote switches away from her?(and a nonvote on skitter's part)

I didn't have a strong read on her reaction to the wagon personally, and Pavowski is a strong elim fmpov but it feels like I have sand in my tights

[Isis]

That makes the most sense since you had an either or mindset with me possibly getting sawed for going at marci

I need to into more detail and add this last wagon in but I would be very surprised if you v marci was t v t

If you know that for sure I can color her rolecard using only red crayon!

[Isis]

Most of my read of her is how she interacts with TUF or like the game state super broadly, was there a specific interaction with me that seemed like redgreen?

[Isis]

That makes the most sense since you had an either or mindset with me possibly getting sawed for going at marci

I need to into more detail and add this last wagon in but I would be very surprised if you v marci was t v t

If you know that for sure I can color her rolecard using only red crayon!

this is a weird post

keeping in mind shes voting me, she must think i already have a red role card, or at least a decent chance of having one
so why waste effort coloring in something red if it already is red?
chances are, she doesnt truly believe im red.

idk just like
all that wasted effort that u can instead use for dancing at our yacht party

I'm not 100% sure you're scum, most scumreads are wrong and it's only an average amount of confidence
I'm trying to decide whether my confidence in reading you should be higher and I should fight pav wagon or if it's the same and I shouldn't as much care so Titus' opinion could matter

[Isis]

Spoiler: Gamma recent posts on Isis

Again, who are these alleged partners Isis says I have

It shouldn’t be that hard if you’re forming that sort of theory
VOTE: Isis
Feels like you’re trying to force a miselim on me.

pls guys fruits my friend and he isnt used to how ppl on forums play hes just playing with what he knows from (he does irl maf with friends) and discord maf

its prob a cultural shock for him

ugh fruits always just such a frustrating player to deal with.

he calls me filler, but thats just exactly what he is.
refuses to read at times, complains about wagons in a way that it seems like hes trying to prevent progression, only focusing on reading skitter, a weird lack of reads in his iso.

i know hes perfectly capable but also i know he just generally likes shitting around and being stubborn

i dont scumread fruit im just statimg facts

when hes town he usually gets in the way of good scumhunting where we play

I think the thing really sinister about this progression is that after 1275, TUF has been granted agency. If 1275 is taken well by the other players, modest efforts of scumhunting from fruit will followed up on, rather than if she didn't post it, then we might view it as being too low effort to signal boost compared to other people in the town.

After 1534 TUF doesn't have agency. He's discredited. If you engage the lines he's questioning along you're participating in "getting in the way of good scumhunting".

The thing that changed was that TUF suspected her.

1275 is perhaps the scummier feather on the scale in the end. She probably has long held a belief that fruit is ineffective, but she characterized his posting favorably in 1275 because she expected fruit to just bloc with her for free since he doesn't know anyone else in the game. She'd be interested in doing that as both alignments but more interested as scum because town!marci doesn't know whether she needs to just kill TUF d1 because he's scum (she's never actually posted an affirmative reason to townread him, all game)

This is actually rather compelling

Looking at VCs I feel like 25% more confident Isis is scum

Gamma can you walk me through the mindset of post 1830

how compelling is it really if you're keeping your vote on Isis and still think Isis is scum? I'm trying to check why your vote is on Isis and I get that you don't like her SR on you but where you then point out a good point she made against marci feels incongruent with the rest of this progression. I'm not seeing why you posted 1830 if you're ultimately ignoring it

aside from the TUF situation marci comes across town for the most part
her confusion and lack of motivation kinda resemble my own feelings about the game rn, so I think it can come from town

I nullread her day 2; I don't think you'll pick 3 motivated and unconfused people out of this game and peg the scum team yknow

[Isis]

cause you didn't workshop it with him in the pt

[Isis]

vote me for prom queen

[Isis]

I saw an ad for Baja blast this morning

[Isis]

I saw an ad for Baja blast this morning

as u should

This is the meanest thing anyone has ever posted to me on this site

[Isis]

Pavowski where r

[Isis]

Openwolf logic lel

[Isis]

2177 is an additional joke, not an acceptance.

Kinda weird for pav to quote an already short post and take out the logic part and say "no u"

Does it not alleviate you're frustration that he might be saying that as scum..?

[Isis]

it can't all be "the people who townread me are good and the people who scumread me are bad"

[Isis]

I want to play a dance game with guilty lion

[Isis]

if Skitter - Gamma are S/S they can never win

one of them must escape first and we will kill the other one immediately when that happens

I want to marry 2242

[Isis]

VOTE: skitter

[Isis]

Pls I am beg

[Isis]

I am so worried about town voting town


Ari please stop posting strategies that are second level convolutions that lead us to complex worlds where town vote town.

Eliminating Mafia in order from most likely to least likely

Please

My heart

[Isis]

If we mislim gamma is not going to escape skitter is not going to escape, the third escapes and then the game goes into new paradigms and we never reassemble consensus on this vivid associative issue that's been in play since day1

[Isis]

It would be a tenuous consensus

[Isis]

if it's skitter!scum + gamma!scum then when gamma or skitter escape we elim the other

if its skitter!scum wking gamma!town to set him up to be the fall person after she escapes - then um we're probly fucked cuz there's almost no way gamma votes for skitter and we need 7/8

Gamma is my hero belief

[Isis]

i try to visualize winnable game states and play for those because some game states are unwinnable

I am suffer

Aristeia why do you want to hurt me

[Isis]

I feel so much town anguish in this game and Ari still thinks I'm scum or maybe scum, it feels unfair; if I was scum I would have a equal or higher anguish but it would be a

different kind

aaa

[Isis]

Gamma bus for me please

[Isis]

I think if there's town in skitter gamma it's always gamma

[Isis]

Tbh really the entire game has like morphified to where there's this game state read that gamma is town but it's actually the same game state read as "gamma seems unsaveable and this game has an escape mechanic" and then gamma is like trying to actually claim scum in the thread and we s don't vote her

[Isis]

Aristeia am I good at Mafia

[Isis]

like do you think skitter is bussing Pavo?

if Pavo is town

and Gamma is town

then i dunno how we win because niether of them are really playing

just throw the towel in and concede

I am sleeppp

[Isis]

Idk how that quoted

[Isis]

I'm sad

[Isis]

I don't scumread Cakez anymore.

No matter who scum is I think they are snowing people like meuh who are town

I guess maybe we just flip pav but it feels like that's possible because there is scum on other pressured slots

[Isis]

Why can't every setup have dayvig

[Isis]

Oh I was also thinking about meuh's post

Do you think Pavowski is scummier individually or more vca, flow of the tides.

To me he's scummy in a circumstantial way if that makes any sense?
The general position he's in, the way he has interacted with others and others have treated him, the feeling of some people being aware of him being scummy, while some seem to prefer ignoring his existence, I guess. It all makes me uneasy.

Who do you think falls into each camp here?

hmmm
I assume you mean the camp of aware vs ignoring?
I'm gonna take a look at people's ISOs to get the accurate picture of it all
Note that ignoring doesn't mean no mention of Pav, it means more so less harsh stances and less attention on him:

Aware: Me, Titus, Ari, Coral, GL
Ignoring: Marci, Fruit, Worstie, Gamma, Isis, Cakez, Skitter
Pavowski: Pavowski

Things that stuck out to me while looking at this:
-Coral and TW have given significantly different amounts of attention to Pav.
-Isis barely mentions him, considering her postcount
-It's even worse for Skitter, who also barely mentions him. From what I can see she literally didn't talk about him until 1691, which is impressive.

If Marci is town and Pavowski luigi is scum and everyone lims me for it I will just be so relieved we didn't get swept

As I type this out I now realize that can be part of a sweep actually

Has anyone ever mentioned that nsg is evil

[Isis]

Do y'all wanna elect a UTR and then sheep her vote (she her pronouns bc it should be me)
It worked in
A different nsg game

[Isis]

HEAL: coral
HEAL: GuiltyLion
HEAL: Aristeia
HEAL: Meuh

[Isis]

2317 is a pretty good town block tbh

[Isis]

STEALTH FIGHTER JET TOWNY

[Isis]

Idt anyone in this game suspects Coral. If you say you do now I think you are scum faking it to disrupt my breaking strategy

Everyone swear fealty to stealth fighter jet coral

[Isis]

HEAL: Coral

[Isis]

Am I allowed to pick no one

I will interpret that as a deep commentary on whether coral reefs should count as individual entities in the sense that Theseus would ponder and count it as a vote for Coral

[Isis]

VROOOOOMM PHSSEWWWWWW

idk what noises a stealth fighter jet makes im sorry

That's pretty accurate

[Isis]

Please y'all I need this
If coral picks me I will selfvote even

I promise

She might tbh

[Isis]

Stealth fighters are incredibly loud but they're very far away so that doesn't matter. They are painted black but it's not that hard to paint other planes black. The most remarkable thing is them having a bizarre shape that makes radar waves bounce off of them at strange angles so they look like a very small object or can't be found at all.

That's why I was responding to "under the radar"

[Isis]

Someone with an undersea name surely understands that the bizarre intersects with the beautiful

[Isis]

Meuh doesn't really like the idea and is meming

[Isis]

I feel like I can't win the game unless meuh votes scum and I can't get that to happen and that's the whole game

[Isis]

Tbc giving Marci a dayvig seems to have a better winrate than "see which person among Marci/pav/gamma/etc scum actually lets us get to E0" at this point even if Marci is twice as likely as average to be scum

[Isis]

Coral is tryna make me cry

[Isis]

It worked well in crossfire which I think might have shared this setup's feature of generating evens

[Isis]

I was conftown from d0 in a dance game and it was stressful

[Isis]

Im stealth IRL but that means something different ..

[Isis]

Everyone needs to sign onto the UTR election plan or claim scum

I want to see heal tags

[Isis]

I love y'all keep voting

[Isis]

Also I would add tuf to the list of marci/gamma/pav/beat

was including Beat in this list intentional?

Beats alignment was revealed to you midgame, revealed to skitter pregame

[Isis]

Pavowski
The Ugly Fruit**
Isis

I almost feel like this could be the scum team in spite of my previous feelings

it is actually kind of wild to me that Pavo voted for me and you when we almost threw him off the boat like 2 days ago -.-

Same

I'm weird like that, I don't assume people voting me are evil

Also as you pointed out, it's probably tricky for scum to pull an advantage out of this little plan, so that makes you suggesting it pretty +town

I suggested it..

Waluigi Isis

[Isis]

Oh I had multiquoted gamma's 2452 to say it seemed like DallE wrote it

[Isis]

Loki is licking me how sweet of him

[Isis]

[Isis]

Marci please heal some peoples

[Isis]

Pav's heal votes makes weird sense to me btw

[Isis]

Oh phrasing. Make sense. Ironically

[Isis]

"who says I have to pretend to be town" has halted my Turing machine

[Isis]

Oh I misread the post as "but I don't need examples"

[Isis]

I have robots on the brain I guess


If they were comments I urgently wanted sheeped I would phrase them differently.

I want to elect a dayvig

Ive done plenty of earnest normal solving previously this game

[Isis]

Love me hate me

[Isis]

Oh phrasing. Make sense. Ironically

You and I are sharing a brain, I'm sure of it

as long as i don't have to wear floral white i may allow

[Isis]

VOTE: skitter

[Isis]

2 more votes to hammer Aristeia as queen

[Isis]

im not scum i just dont care to play a game thats becoming an ego game

It's not an ego game

[Isis]

when we elect a monarch I hope they take it into consideration

[Isis]

I think that trio prolly has one scum and if we don't elect a monarch we are guaranteed to hit one of the two nonscum slots

[Isis]

Skitter blessings

[Isis]

Ari dayvig Ari dayvig Ari dayvig

[Isis]

Ari should follow her heart

[Isis]

Ari dayvig Ari dayvig Ari dayvig

[Isis]

lol

I'm putting this post on my fridge

[Isis]

You weren't in the thick of it

In the abstract I would also say leashing kills games but the game was already in an insufferable box of stasis

[Isis]

theres been some posts where shes started out vaguely game related, but then it turns into word vomit.
i dont really like that sort of stuff, since it seems distracting from the point but shes done it more than once it seems a bit like a personality thing

i feel like shes a possible partner to a couple people.

i feel like theres been times where... she only really thinks things as it becomes a semitalked about topic.

keeps repeating the same point "red flips arent that bad" i feel like once is enough but its just filling more space and faking the busyness the more and more its said

I feel like Cakez has too many reads that all dropped at once, feels more like press releases from a PR team than a solo journalist you dig

very much a read dropped and then forgotten about until her update of "i dont think that anymore" but like ?? amazing progression on that is shown where? it feels like a very back of the mind read

1080 was pretty weird timing for that read on gamma

i didnt like her hammer on beat

1533 with 1540 afterwards feels weird

1630 1648 i dont like what shes done with those reads after shes posted
like "i think gamma has teammates" seems pretty confident of a read, but settles for beat? IDK

1839 just the way she phrases things
like "nO wAy I cAnT eLiM wHo I wAnT sO i'Ll GiVe Up AnD gO fOr ThIs InStEaD" like at that point she seemed fairly confident on her skitter read so why not go for what ur heart wants
i think usually townies like to think they'll always be right, and like to push people they super believe in being scum, so i dont get why she keeps rolling over.

- -

im not good at this stuff im sorry its mostly just vibes and then i went to try and find the vibes and then tried to explain why i had the vibes but idk if this is exactly what ive been meaning
just say its vibes and thats it

to her credit marci did post this case on Isis and then most people ignored it rip

I've been hoping I'd organically start to feel some kind of decided way about it one way or the other but I'm truly mixed, it gives me a genuine vibe tonally but it was produced under duress and I don't really agree with the read on Isis and could imagine some of these points being faked. I think what I like about it is it doesn't feel too forced or too specifically made to appease or convince people, but it's not enough for me to decidedly townbin marci

What I like about it is it's about me

[Isis]

Spoiler:

[Isis]

was produced under duress

whats duress mean

dress?!??! heck yeah i should try on my dresses

the worst scumrolls are the mafia equivalent of a "Luigi does nothing and wins" playlist.

This man perpetually finds himself in situations where the town are poring over each other's elementary school disciplinary records, clawing through rain-soaked garbage bags stolen in the middle of the night in search of each other's discarded receipts, going on massive 24 hour reading benders. Meanwhile the worst turns off his computer and sits his scum ass in a nice lawn chair munching on blueberries all day and comes back to a big fat W.

Oh if he left that's a townroll okay we're saved

Oh god I love this sequence of posts

This struggling game has had its moments

[Isis]

I didn't mean to include marcistar's post but it was also enjoyable so

[Isis]

yes, I am the worst now

You're the best : pleading:

[Isis]

That discord emote doesn't match its name perfectly

[Isis]

Do you love them

[Isis]

How come I dropped off the second list of scummy people

Deep in your heart do you know you treasure me

[Isis]

Loki is playing with my tiara

[Isis]

I'm gonna put it on display and remember I'm a princess

[Isis]

She scumread me much earlier in the game so it could be a gravity well for her. Like. I've had games like that

[Isis]

Meuh can't b scum cause I made her laugh with a joke that is barely funny and it's even less funny for an informed player

But mostly bcos I'm treating it as my one accomplishment this game so if it was actually a scum laugh I have done nothing

[Isis]

Who is Fiona Apple

[Isis]

i wonder if 2773 is like a 110% case i am just gonna not hardclick

[Isis]

next time ari comes to the thread she will prolly have someone for us to kill

[Isis]

I don't think people are gonna see that as legitimate

I'll just whisper you a name and you can pick that as a puppet ruler

If I communicate out of thread I will go to jail so I will just post everyone's name and you can watch when Ydrasse blinks because I want that person to be elimmed so much that it pierced the Ydrasse soul.

Aristeia
Coral
Faker
GuiltyLion
Isis
marcistar
Meuh
Pavowski
SirCakez
skitter30
TheUglyFruit
Titus

[Isis]

I thought about the setup in the shower yesterday and I'm like really unsure you actually even want to lim scum

If you lim scum you get two tries at eliminating a scum based on a flip

If you lim town you get 3 tries at eliminating a scum based on a flip

Right?

[Isis]

Ok no bc there's a bonus fast escape if you don't like scum BUT

[Isis]

Wait it is better to lim scum nvm

[Isis]

Damnit I wanted to selfvote to wincon

[Isis]

I guess there's a tiny residual chance you're scum so if you're genuine about reproxying the dictatorial decision over to me I'll pick a top scumread even though my scumreads are not confident

[Isis]

Spoiler:

[Isis]

VOTE: Pavowski

[Isis]

i admire isis shes so confident to share a pic with strangers

P sure I abstained from doing so on this site for 13 years straight.

[Isis]

You’ve been on this site for 13 years?

Yeah, I switched main accounts during my transition phase. September 2008, senior year of high school is when I started

[Isis]

when exactly was this created titus... do u know..

Nope. I'm not that ancient. I miss Thor and Dr. Pepper though. I've seen many come and go. Some I miss and some I don't.

Dr. Pepper played really briefly in just gacha mafia and maybe one or two other games before dipping again, I think that was, 2020? Might come back for longer someday

[Isis]

By "throw him out the fuckin window" I mean of his house, if it's 1-story rinse and repeat until Results Are Achieved, not that I'd bus him lmao

Just thinking how for me, that scum PT would be filled with every diplomatic non-threatening variant of "MOTHERFUCKER IF YOU GIVE THEM FIVE FULLCLEARS BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO HIGH TO POST ONE GODDAMN READSWALL" imaginable

Did you know that there is an English word simu for "throw someone outside a window"? It's "defenestrate".

[Isis]

TUF is town right

[Isis]

has faker posted a read of me yet?

[Isis]

I townread Titus early game but with her playstyle I think it's possible for her to greenshape a little bit and then not as scum and yeah like her d2 has not been townie

[Isis]

i mean, Coral is town
marci has a consistency issue if she just joined the royal wagon, right? analyzing that has been on my head.
skitter definitely can't lolhammer
Faker could be scum doing due diligence then hammering this
I think the offwagon scum thing clears TUF but like, we already knew that

[Isis]

has faker posted a read of me yet?

No, though I (mechanically and qualitatively) hated the mechanical sequence starting with 2484.

You didn't want to iso me before lending me your hammer for the leash thing? Like as either alignment you could not join the process without being scummy, but as the town alignment I'd expect you to care what I am

[Isis]

you greatly overestimate me

[Isis]

if there's so many people on a town driven wagon that scum can't join in, we lost the game long ago for gamestate reading the {people on the wagon} poorly

[Isis]

town targetted wagon not towndriven, brain

[Isis]

aristeia i am so lost cover me in blankets

[Isis]

i don't know how to use the gps did you hire somebody to do that ari

[Isis]

i kinda wonder if i like coral's avatar too much to ever fairly read her

[Isis]

she done post so good tho

[Isis]

showerthought what if i know she's an alt and like my brain has weird neural node things where i crossreferenced her post with all accounts that would possibly pick that avatar and created a conditional-meta read and that's why the read is p strong

[Isis]

yall have you ever joined a dating app and someone asks "so what's your favorite thing to do for fun" and the truthful answer is mafia and you have to start with lies from the getgo or spend a zillion years explaining something (i always choose the 1st one)

[Isis]

idk if it's worse that i posted that or that i posted that after seeing a hammer in the pedit or that i still havent checked the identity of the person who hammered in the pedit

[Isis]

i kinda wonder if i like coral's avatar too much to ever fairly read her

being fair is unnecessary as long as you're right!!

Spoiler:

and you are

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH


MY HEART

[Isis]

Excited to punish scum for not clearing me.

Wat

[Isis]

I'm a princess

[Isis]

I explicitly flagged the fact that Pavowski freezes up as scum and called him on it directly.

Bussing when required is one thing but after the specific way it happened, go back to the drawing board, that's a fucking disgusting vote.

Oh I guess that's favorable

All five clears were pretty solid tho. Titus is the weakest but on her particular record a pav flip had a lot of impact since she pushed it hard d1

[Isis]

[2] The Ugly Fruit: Pavowski, marcistar

Yeah lol

VOTE: marci

Tgtbt though?

[Isis]

Marci was far from a UTR I pushed her as being scum

I think someone else did too?

[Isis]

skitter can't clear herself because she randed scum

[Isis]

if coral is scum i will just let her survive endgame and then weep betrayedly on the hem of her sundress

[Isis]

In the event anyone actually thinks I made a mechanical error and thought I could escape as scum, I will gladly take the collective L and let them be ashamed of themselves.

nah you'd re-review it 4 times

[Isis]

the reaction test might be townier than the bussing considering how late in the day it was, as skitter points out

[Isis]

skitter is now voting the slot she is most associatively tied to so that's intersting

[Isis]

Isis, is my point accurate here or am I off base?

hmmmm

[Isis]

80% strongarm a win with pav as a partner seems weird take

[Isis]

what if i just made an excell spreadsheet of every aggro from the whole game and with 5 clears of data you can like probably get a top pick of people who aggroed town the most

[Isis]

what if i just made an excell spreadsheet of every aggro from the whole game and with 5 clears of data you can like probably get a top pick of people who aggroed town the most

this was a super towny showerthought you should townread me

[Isis]

ill tell u a secret okay?

Spoiler:

i kinda originally didnt wanna play anymore after being wrong on beat, and now i kinda EVEN MORE dont wanna play anymore after not seeing thru pavs deception

this reads like a scumpost who would feel this way after failing to read Pav,

it's like beating yourself up for not being able to read a fingerprint using only a 1 millimeter square of it

[Isis]

actually I do have one question for now for both Faker and Cakez

Marci was far from a UTR I pushed her as being scum

I think someone else did too?

I also pushed marci fairly strongly for a lot of D2. I eventually evolved it into a "maybe you're town and Gamma is scum" read, but she never fully left my POE

so my question here for marci scumreaders, why do you think scum!marci clears two of the people most likely to vote her, instead of skitter or Meuh?

also, another discussion q to think about (I kinda just want to raise it, I don't know what my thoughts are yet):

[7]

Beat

:

Titus

, Meuh,

GuiltyLion

, marcistar, Gamma Emerald,

Aristeia

,

Isis

how many scum do we think are on wagon here? 1? 2? who is the townie in the uncleared folks?

p-edit: oh dang Ari beat me to it with substantially more effort lol

idk who your #2 person is but I think I was pretty ICed anyway. The limpool size is way more important to scum than any signal boosting effect conftowns get

[Isis]

there's also another scum

[Isis]

so my question here for marci scumreaders, why do you think scum!marci clears two of the people most likely to vote her, instead of skitter or Meuh?

I do not have sufficient context or knowledge of Day 1/2 to answer this.

My vote is far from committal and is a purely reactionary spitball to what my impression was of how universal a townread she was based on secondhand description Day 2. What I remember of her dayplay was even +town. I am likely to hit the drawing board again or review later given that Isis seems to think it was not universal.

[7]

Beat

:

Titus

, Meuh,

GuiltyLion

, marcistar, Gamma Emerald,

Aristeia

,

Isis

how many scum do we think are on wagon here? 1? 2? who is the townie in the uncleared folks?

I don't do VCA, particularly again when lacking any information about the dayplay involved.

I'm not saying my refusal to weigh in on these is supposed to be town-indicative or readily accepted without pushback, to be clear.

Ok but can I get you to agree that Isis lady who hammered and so virtuously ensured game velocity seems town aligned

[Isis]

Goooooooooood morning!
Was expecting to get cleared but ig we don't always get the party of our dreams

2887 really shook me tbh and it made Pav's alignment kinda click in my mind. I'm aware it's a bad thing to do but I felt paranoid about my reads of the game being too simple and it scrambled me up a bunch
Pav being scum felt too simple despite him being scummy which is largely why I decided to vote on Fruit. I would've switched my vote off of him earlier but I was committed to the royalty plan and so around that time I just didn't care for moving my vote
and like I'm glad I supported it since this happened

VOTE COUNT 1.13 -- FINAL

[7]

Beat

:

Titus

,

Meuh

,

GuiltyLion

, marcistar, Gamma Emerald,

Aristeia

,

Isis

[3]

Aristeia

: skitter30,

Beat

, the worst

[1]

Titus

: SirCakez

[1]

skitter30

:

The Ugly Fruit

[1]

Not voting

:

Pavowski

I mean just looking at this I feel like limming both Faker/Marci just wins
Faker still feels town from the way Gamma played but I need to take a look at the arguments about her EoD play. Like I've read the arguments but I haven't really absorbed them properly if that makes any sense? My 5 am brain is not ready for that
Marci I feel like could be scum at this point because I think something she likes to do as scum is just rely on making a bunch of posts that seem tonally good and almost too scummy to be scum while just lacking actual content. Which checks out here.

I think there's at least 1 town in Coral/Skitter.
imo it's likely just both Beat wagoners or 1 Beat wagoner + 1 Ari wagoner

Maintaining my gutread on Cakez being town, though I should probably give him a second glance today
Ig limming Faker and Marci is less appealing to you all because I'm not conf but I think it just wins like 90+% of the time

this post make me feel a certain type of way

[Isis]

I'm actually getting increasingly sus of meuh
VOTE: meuh

Why?

Cause she scum

[Isis]

That's an interesting reaction

[Isis]

The sum of all reasons may be higher for Marci, although it's possible both Marci and skitter are scum.

Skitter always clears Titus here imo and I think some more novice players clear Meuh instead. I guess I keep having circular logic issues that I don't want to visit my Meuh townread but I like. Dont

[Isis]

Actually we now have Meuh laughing about me making a joke about her scum partner being useless and her laughing so that's an even stronger townread than my alignment agnostic analysis

[Isis]

Few people would be creative enough to lie about irl laughter even tho it'd be like, allowed in a mafia game

[Isis]

Something something something tears hem

[Isis]

Part of my thought process when I picked Pav to write on a card and then write again except mirrored was that even though it seemed a little too straightforward and simple I have like a bunch of complicated rubix cube townreads and he existed in the space where he pairs well with all the people who didn't get a rubix cube and had not done a single thing I could look at and say "you know what, there's a leyline to the town wincon in that sentence".

I think Marci has some stuff that can be interpreted favorably through ambiguity so it's not easy slamdunk to me.

I guess I don't really townread a single thing skitter has done all game either but I'm the game has some confbias concerns for me there.

None of the townreads with her come with reasoning iirc (in most recent memory was cakez who rarely provides reasoning so idk)

[Isis]

Few people would be creative enough to lie about irl laughter even tho it'd be like, allowed in a mafia game

My whole math class was looking at me... it was embarrassing
Genuinely the most intense laughter I have had in a while

Spoiler: Art

Pls don't pocket math major princess isis

[Isis]

Your read progression on me has felt entirely based on whether I'm limmable

[Isis]

Do u agree u would clear Titus as scum

[Isis]

Like the normal answer is "yes but so would a lot of ppl"

Ur answer is a weird answer

[Isis]

Why say "idk I didn't really think about it"

It's an overemphasis on not plotting mech the scum needed to analyze in the scum PT

Everyone but you cares about the clears and what that implies about people who werent cleared.

You made the same "I am an innocent snowlamb who has never pondered how a contraption like a lockpick works" kind of statement as scum in the teacher newbie when asked about NKA that is duh counterfactual if you're town.

Idk if you always do it but it's lame at best

[Isis]

Ebwop crappy at best