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[Vivax]

Hello everyone

VOTE: Lowell

Idk why but the hello everyone triggers me as maf.

Hi, town.

VOTE: UNOwen

[Vivax]

Hello everyone

VOTE: Corwinoid

^ scum traitor Owen ^

Hello everyone

VOTE: Lowell

^This Owen^

The new model didn't come with a software update.

[Vivax]

Does Owen TR me too for that snap reaction?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MegAzumarill

No it was just an instinct read. Not really a joke. But now I can see why I thought it because Cres pointed it out.

[Vivax]

Does Owen TR me too for that snap reaction?

UNVOTE: Lowell
VOTE: Vivax

I'll take that for a no.
Why do you not believe that I had a good reason to find your entrance worth a vote? The last game we played in together you used the same and I didn't know if it was a standard opener of yours.

UNVOTE:

[Vivax]

Can't read too much into things yet.
FancyPants only posted once.
MegAzumaril has a point. Second line of my post could imply a joke. Post was explained as gut-based already though.
Greeting calls Enchant's second post their entry post.
Patersons objection seems like the kind of entry point I'd make as scum when seeing a town accusing another town while making an easy to spot mistake.

[Vivax]

Can't read too much into things yet.
FancyPants only posted once.
MegAzumaril has a point. Second line of my post could imply a joke. Post was explained as gut-based already though.
Greeting calls Enchant's second post their entry post.
Patersons objection seems like the kind of entry point I'd make as scum when seeing a town accusing another town while making an easy to spot mistake.

Me reading too much into this post: This post seems to be coming from a town player.

Pocket accepted.

Had the thought cross my mind that someone named bugspray has to roll mafia more often than average.

VOTE: bugspray

[Vivax]

My vote should have been on bugspray btw.

[Vivax]

If I never respond you remain stuck in limbo?

Andante a tad too emotional about the VC, but meh.

[Vivax]

If I never respond you remain stuck in limbo?

Andante a tad too emotional about the VC, but meh.

Andante seems annoyed, not scummy.

I don't disagree with her having a point to be annoyed.
But I felt like she was a bit too happy to ride and exaggerate the annoyance to conflate the posts.
Rather than aiming at getting Fred to stop, it looked a bit like a forced 'look at me be annoyed'. The tone wasn't positive either, but that's justifiable.

Other noteworthy one:

Spoiler:

Greetings!

Hello Everyone.

No witty entrance post?

Enchant

confscum.

VOTE: Enchant

Reading more carefully, you should be able to figure out that was a witty entrance post.

VOTE: Greeting

Enchant is probably town.

These are very safe posts to make as mafia when their playstyle is to be more on the right side, sneaky and reasonable. I'll place a vote there for now.
I'm not sure either why the TR on Enchant would come only after the interjection.

UNVOTE: bugspray
VOTE: Prince of Paterson

Things:
Got TRs on Greeting, Cres, Azumarill, yes even Fred atm.
All four of them did things I would consider within the expectation of bored townies at a slow start.
Got a feeling I should add bugspray here too for the duel thing.
Btw, I'll play along:

HEAL

bugspray

Null on ench, pooky, tucker (though they also felt similarly about And) and UNOwen.

[Vivax]

can we not post a VC for every single vote please... if you do it, please just throw it in a spoiler, but spamming "unnoficial" VCs for every single vote is not appreciated... you literally posted 3 on 1 page... and no one changed votes in the span of you posting them

VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

This feels like something scum could easily feign annoyance over for the sake of an early vote to look busy.

This one's got a point but doesn't do much with it. Maybe worth keeping in mind for the time after an Andante flip.

Lowell also low-info player. Null. Gave me UNOwen vibes.
FancyPants' #86 and #89 feel townie.
Geraint's post within the scope of thinking that no one already tried what he did.

Malc, And, PoP seem like reasonable guesses to me so far with the caveat of having a lot of nulls.

[Vivax]

I am scum don’t u dare call me town u dirty….w/e u are

I don't believe you and will call you town for bad reasons.

If MalcolmTucker is mafia and pinged m!Andante then #69 explains the additional annoyance in the tone from her part.
Let's say it's a possible timeline.

[Vivax]

Spoiler:

can we not post a VC for every single vote please... if you do it, please just throw it in a spoiler, but spamming "unnoficial" VCs for every single vote is not appreciated... you literally posted 3 on 1 page... and no one changed votes in the span of you posting them

VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

This feels like something scum could easily feign annoyance over for the sake of an early vote to look busy.

can we not post a VC for every single vote please... if you do it, please just throw it in a spoiler, but spamming "unnoficial" VCs for every single vote is not appreciated... you literally posted 3 on 1 page... and no one changed votes in the span of you posting them

VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

This feels like something scum could easily feign annoyance over for the sake of an early vote to look busy.

Feign annoyance implies it wasn't starting to get annoying. Three giant empty walls of text are pretty annoying.

Like why even include the 0s? The posts could be 1/3 the length they are and still provide the same result.

Feels like a "shut up" vote from Andante and it's NAI to me. It feels like something scum could easily feign a reaction to look busy.

If I never respond you remain stuck in limbo?

Andante a tad too emotional about the VC, but meh.

Andante seems annoyed, not scummy.

We should maybe argue whether it's townie to be annoyed when there's nothingburger in the thread and someone starts to spam it up, because that's what the start of the day felt like we had to do.
Bolded within spoilers: you seem to have changed your mind quickly there.
I'm guessing the one you misquoted was about the shade on Lowell?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MalcolmTucker

No intent, but want to see more.
Signing off.

[Vivax]

Why do you not believe that I had a good reason to find your entrance worth a vote? The last game we played in together you used the same and I didn't know if it was a standard opener of yours.

It's the idea that you didn't know the reason for your vote until Crescent pointed it out that I don't believe.

That's all you're still working with?
To me it seems like a natural way of thinking:
See thing that somehow pings you for pure gut reasons. Get pointed out that the one who pinged you did the same opener as mafia in the previous game. Conclude that maybe that's why it pinged me because of the latent memory.

It seems like a secondary issue to get hung on at this point in the game.

[Vivax]

I’m good at this.

VOTE: vivax

Good, the unfunny gnats are mostly town.

[Vivax]

I regret nothing.

You all are mafia.

[Vivax]

To me it seems like a natural way of thinking:
See thing that somehow pings you for pure gut reasons. Get pointed out that the one who pinged you did the same opener as mafia in the previous game. Conclude that maybe that's why it pinged me because of the latent memory.

Sure that's possible but it seems more likely that if you noticed my first post it would be because you also noticed that it was the same as our previous game.

Why does it seem more likely? I would have mentioned that as a reason if I was aware.
I’d also add that you’re still stuck reading too much into a low conviction read on page 1 which is mostly
townies flailing to gauge reactions.
But who knows, you seem even prone to thinking my vote on Azuma could have been serious considering how narrow your scope looks.

[Vivax]

Geraint's post within the scope of thinking that no one already tried what he did.

What does this mean?

Tell me what his post looks like to you and I’ll answer.

[Vivax]

Why does it seem more likely?

Because the alternative is you got spooked by "hello everyone".

Tell me what his post looks like to you and I’ll answer.

Suspicious attempt at saying "don't expect much from me".

The point is that I did.
Fine, have it your way if you want to withhold information.

VOTE: UNOwen

[Vivax]

TL;DR: Owen is mafia because it flew over his head how many people who are most likely town did scummy, nonsensical or lazy stuff to attract the reaction he’s displaying now.

[Vivax]

That's not much of an answer Vivax.

You’d have a life expectancy of maybe 24 h on my community with how badly you play and get away with it.
Luckily for you, these are lethargic lands.

[Vivax]

At some point someone might read Owens posts with the intent to give them a read or point out their uselesness, anyhow. Maybe in two days. Or he’ll get vigged N1 again and flip red. One could hope.

[Vivax]

I am scum don’t u dare call me town u dirty….w/e u are

I don't believe you and will call you town for bad reasons.

If MalcolmTucker is mafia and pinged m!Andante then #69 explains the additional annoyance in the tone from her part.
Let's say it's a possible timeline.

ok, why are you talking as if I'm flipped scum? these few posts just read weird to me? it's just like, I don't even get it "we need andante flip first" "maf!anante" like what??

It's an information avenue for a future point to look back to in case you flip mafia. Not relevant right now except as a diary for my thoughts, need folks who signed up to try and find mafia.

[Vivax]

Why does it seem more likely?

Because the alternative is you got spooked by "hello everyone".

Tell me what his post looks like to you and I’ll answer.

Suspicious attempt at saying "don't expect much from me".

The point is that I did.
Fine, have it your way if you want to withhold information.

VOTE: UNOwen

Are you interpreting their post as withholding information? It looks to me like they answered both of your questions. I'm not sure what your complaint is here.

No, Owen didn’t post an opinion on geraintms entrance. Feel free to prove me wrong.

I am mostly interpreting his posts as uncooperativeness because he’s salty he got scumread as mafia traitor and shot N1 in last game. So now he spends the remainder of his time in this game venting like that. I’m not even sure that he’s mafia.

[Vivax]

No, Owen didn’t post an opinion on geraintms entrance. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Are you sure about that? His response there seems to fit as an opinion on geraintm's entrance. It seems like you interpreted it as a characterization of your own post, but I don't think there's really any reason to believe that's more likely than him simply answering your question.

Okay, what‘s his opinion on geraints entrance in your own words?

[Vivax]

Okay, what‘s his opinion on geraints entrance in your own words?

Seems that he believes geraintm was making pre-emptive excuses for his own play being lacking (game is larger, set-up is weird, implying he won't be able to keep track of what is going on) and UNOwen thought that was suspicious.

UNOwens ISO looks like I‘m the only other player in this game.
He‘d show interest into getting more out of gera if what you said was true.

[Vivax]

Okay, what‘s his opinion on geraints entrance in your own words?

Seems that he believes geraintm was making pre-emptive excuses for his own play being lacking (game is larger, set-up is weird, implying he won't be able to keep track of what is going on) and UNOwen thought that was suspicious.

UNOwens ISO looks like I‘m the only other player in this game.
He‘d show interest into getting more out of gera if what you said was true.

And how do you think you look? You ask him a question on another player. He gives you a reasonable answer. You misinterpret it and take it to be about you. Then, even after having the misinterpretation pointed out to you, you insist that he must have been refusing to answer you and that his answer was actually talking about you when it's a stretch to even believe that the comment could apply to you.

Everything you said is provably false.
Keep digging or read more. Up to you.

[Vivax]

Does anyone else agree with Vivax's interpretation? This is a strange hill for him to choose to die on. I think it's a little towny to do so, though. Town often have a lot of pride in their own view of things.

I‘m not proud to the point where I refuse to cooperate with TRs and settle down for an elim I don‘t prefer.
But look around and tell me which townread of mine seems able to cooperate? I can maybe think of 2 or 3 that seem to know how to town while trying to find mafia.

[Vivax]

This doesn't feel like a scum push from Vivax, but I don't quite get it.
Vivax can you resummarize why you think Unowen is scum

That‘s the thing. I can‘t tell if he‘s an antagonist who goes on a personal tunnel as town because he‘s enraged for having been caught recently or if he‘s just mafia.

But for the mafia argument, I‘d say it‘s because he‘s giving too much importance to early post when the average townies mood was bored and eager for reactions.

That he didn‘t have that same mood to read early posts more nonchalantly like a majority betrays a mafia mindset.

[Vivax]

Again, Owen was not "caught". He made a blatant scumhammer as mafia-aligned and was probably planning to drag out day 2 to slow down the town. Once he flips aligned, you don't even get a lotta information about it. His plan obviously didn't include being vigged.

Owen knew exactly what he was doing with that hammer. This argument that he'd be "enraged" is dumb.

Are you Owen? If you spent half the time trying to find a better launch rather than shielding him from having to answer, you‘d have a better chance of steering the game away feom the toüic.

[Vivax]

topic*

[Vivax]

And acting pro-town sometimes means just playing along someone‘s ideas and see what reactions it creates, rather than working to extinguish them.

[Vivax]

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HEAL

bugspray

You have accepted the duel!
Please choose your weapon:

Nr. 2. Gonna need a lot of collateral damage this game, and the recoil might kill me in the process.

[Vivax]

I'm not sure how to operate the chessboard and it tried to open a pop-up.

[Vivax]

I always open e2-e4 as white.

[Vivax]

Does anyone else agree with Vivax's interpretation? This is a strange hill for him to choose to die on. I think it's a little towny to do so, though. Town often have a lot of pride in their own view of things.

ehhh it's seeming like it's just how Vivax is, I'm not willing to write Vivax off as town for it, at least not yet, like, it's only 100 posts of a game, and he thinks there's some meaning to gerain's entrance?? I don't even understand what he was arguing nor do I actually care at this point

I'm ready to explain what I thought of gera's entrance whenever Owen is ready to answer what he thinks of it since he deemed it relevant to ask me about.
Once he's got past the passive aggressive stage. He just has to take the hand offered and shake it.

[Vivax]

This (bugspray) reeks heavily of a not_mafia alt.

@ Andante

Fred doesn't sound robotic to me and I don't see why you read an intention into it.
You however just randomly complain about content. Players go in expecting a fun read, a challenging game.
You just look like you're detesting every single moment of being in it.

[Vivax]

I don't see why the only fun thing to you is limming fred right now.

Do you prefer checkers?

[Vivax]

This (bugspray) reeks heavily of a not_mafia alt.

i personally despise n_m, do not dare compare me to that buffoon

At the duel I'll shoot you with not_mafia comparisons then.
Your critical weakness has been exposed, churl.

[Vivax]

@Greeting/Bugspray, do you generally find LAMIST posts to be scum aligned?

This question feels like filler.
Yes, I deliberately didn't mention the author.

And bugspray never mentioned LAMIST.

[Vivax]

Right now, I think that the series of four posts starting with 188 are the most likely thing to come from scum that I've seen so far. Fredrick A Campbell inserts himself into the main conflict of the game, Vivax vs UNOwen, and tries to add fuel to the fire of one of the sides. The fact that I believe the criticism is inaccurate (UNOwen was referring to post 138, which Fredrick himself has ignored) makes me think it's even more likely that it was a made up reason to join what looks to me like a T/T conflict and encourage it to continue.

VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

So much of Fred's ISO is nonsense. Virtually none of it is actual content and he follows a naked vote on Owen with... Some really awkward looking shade. Third highest post count in the game right now and all I can really say about him is "he exists".

Fred could easily be scum, his commentary so far has been pretty shallow and doesn't suggest he's actually given things much thought (see also 179 which asks Lowell a question pretty obviously answered in context).

So much of Fred's ISO is nonsense.

exactly why I just want to lim the slot

These 4 people posted the same agenda in batch at around the same time.

[Vivax]

DWLee99 and Greeting probably also around that camp of players, but less obvious.

I agree Meg. Andante's tone is far too negative and it felt like the Fred VC spam was a trap and she fell into it.

VOTE: Andante

[Vivax]

This game makes more sense if you divide it into pure town (Meg, Ench, Fred would be my pure towns), nulls, mafia and antagonist town. There's a neat overabundance of the latter, but I'm getting used to it on offsite games.

[Vivax]

The counterpoint is if Fred is scum it likely means Prince (who voted him), Owen (who he made an awful vote/shade on), and Andante (who he triggered) are all likely town. Owen and Andante would have a natural reason to join in based on the actions Fred has already committed. Andante is mad he exists, and Owen could easily be town who was scumpinged by such a bad argument. The reasoning that scum must be shading Fred is forced and the reasons for voting Andante are weak.

That's not a counterpoint.
If he flips town what does it make the four of you all posting to wagon him at the same time if not mafia?

[Vivax]

That's if he flips town. Right now I don't think he will.

The argument is forcing the presupposition that scum must be shading him, when I'm the only one in that 4 pack without a previously established reason to have done so.

Sometimes it's just 4 town members shading a scum. I see no reason to automatically assume there is scum based on the specific people involved.

I don't believe you when you say you don't have a read on Andante.
You should be knowledgeable enough for that and that didn't look like a town Andante from where I'm at.

Also the way that flashwagon formed when nothing like that happened before in the game just looks sus.

[Vivax]

Not to mention Crescent has been happily interjecting in the defense of Owen and Prince most of the time in this game, but seems hesitant to do so with Andante. I wonder why.

Deer, meet headlights.

[Vivax]

So if I vote people cause I find what they're doing highly annoying. that automatically makes me scum? I'm not SRing whoever. I'm saying Fred isn't doing ANYTHING game related and talking in this matter of fact tone, it's annoying as heck, yet I guess all yall are totally fine with fred??

I understand your annoyance now. But being scum or Fred's posts are maybe only 25% of it, because mostly you're annoyed at how you have to play.
You don't have to, you know? Space is lovely this time of year.

Like, your only scumread all game is because someone posted a votecount three times at the bottom of a page and you have no intention of putting in work to move away from that opinion.

[Vivax]

Like, your only scumread all game is because someone posted a votecount three times at the bottom of a page and you have no intention of putting in work to move away from that opinion.

YOU GUYS AREN'T GIVING ME THE OPTION TO ACTUALLY PLAY THIS FREAKING GAME

Wrong, you could join the push on Owen, Prince or Crescent, though I haven't called the latter mafia.
Y'know, those who look like they're shielding you.

[Vivax]

I fully intend to come up with actual reads as the game goes on, but here all yall are like "DEATH TO ANDANTE!!! HOW DARE SHE BE ANNOYED" I literally told yall I was voting fred out of annoyance

Nobody is doing this, do you expect to be immune from pressure?

have I ever had a good reaction to pressure?

Do you expect to go through an entire game without any pressure being put on you at all? You're evading my question.

It's D1, this is an early read, more than happy to move elsewhere if someone else strikes me as more scummy down the line.

So because I'm the only one actually doing crap, and calling stuff as it is, that means we have to "pressure" me??? what kind of logic is this? why not actually try and engage in a freaking conversation with me instead of "WEAK PUSH. ANDANTE MAF" whatever

There's a ton of scummy people but what we got instead.
A circus of four power rangers with you in the middle showed up and tried to get a huge wagon going at the same time on.
Someone who is actually playing this game and spammed VCs for reactions which was the bone he threw you and you gladly bit.

[Vivax]

The counterpoint is if Fred is scum it likely means Prince (who voted him), Owen (who he made an awful vote/shade on), and Andante (who he triggered) are all likely town. Owen and Andante would have a natural reason to join in based on the actions Fred has already committed. Andante is mad he exists, and Owen could easily be town who was scumpinged by such a bad argument. The reasoning that scum must be shading Fred is forced and the reasons for voting Andante are weak.

im voting fred, do i not get a read too?

Pinhead

[Vivax]

The counterpoint is if Fred is scum it likely means Prince (who voted him), Owen (who he made an awful vote/shade on), and Andante (who he triggered) are all likely town. Owen and Andante would have a natural reason to join in based on the actions Fred has already committed. Andante is mad he exists, and Owen could easily be town who was scumpinged by such a bad argument. The reasoning that scum must be shading Fred is forced and the reasons for voting Andante are weak.

im voting fred, do i not get a read too?

They were specifically pointing at the 4 people in that cluster, and you weren't in that cluster. Gonna be honest, I kinda totally forgot about you. I wouldn't say you've done anything to ping me in any specific way yet. Your vote's probably in a good place though.

Anyways, watching Andante emotionally implode as she's pressured for awful reasons feels like I'm looking in a mirror to when I'm under consistent pressure for awful reasons. It's like a "So this is what it looks like when I get emotional in a mafia game" moment.

Gut says she's a VT.

Thanks, gut. What are Owen, Prince and geraintm?
Here's a new avatar for you:

[Vivax]

I fully intend to come up with actual reads as the game goes on, but here all yall are like "DEATH TO ANDANTE!!! HOW DARE SHE BE ANNOYED" I literally told yall I was voting fred out of annoyance

Nobody is doing this, do you expect to be immune from pressure?

have I ever had a good reaction to pressure?

Quoting GLaDOS, someone I truly look up to:

"Did you know that people with guilty consciences are more easily startled by loud noise--

[train horn]

I'm sorry, I don't know why that went off. Anyway, just an interesting science fact."

The sound version is worth looking up.

[Vivax]

Prince is probably town regardless of Fred's alignment.

Owen and Gera are probably town if Fred is scum. My intel so far on Gera is he doesn't bus, though his ISO is... Super lacking. I'd look at Gera if Fred is town, though. Owen is on pace to do way more here than he did in 2273.

I'm seeing so much of myself in her and the way you especially are treating her right now that I'm being psychologically triggered by it.

The point of the game is to find people who play like a team and elim them.
That you are actively working to only elim outside of your team, and that goes for all of you on that flashwagon, makes all of you look worse.

If any of you feel triggered, I suggest taking a break, and coming back not just looking at the front pages.
Andante can deflect her elim by finding a townie to compromise with on someone that isn't her. And that someone should preferrably be one on the power rangers squad.

[Vivax]

The magic ingredient is being trained and skilled in the Art of Shit Posting

[Vivax]

There's two wagons not on Andante and they're both on people who townread me and tried to work with me.

Who do you think you can fool? You fooled yourselves believing that you could, all of you.
Maybe try again on Malcolm or Enchant for good measure, they're voting Andante too.

[Vivax]

There's two wagons not on Andante and they're both on people who townread me and tried to work with me.

But people who townread you is not necessary town bruh

No, but what they did went against the grain.
This town doesn‘t play mafia, it just kills people who disagree with the majority. If that‘s your pastime while being here, then you can fill in the blanks on your own.

[Vivax]

That said: VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

I don‘t trust this game so idc.

[Vivax]

There's two wagons not on Andante and they're both on people who townread me and tried to work with me.

But people who townread you is not necessary town bruh

No, but what they did went against the grain.
This town doesn‘t play mafia, it just kills people who disagree with the majority. If that‘s your pastime while being here, then you can fill in the blanks on your own.

But town is majority.................................................................................

..........and you can still think someone is mafia while they're agreeing with you on something the herd chose to run with. Except in this game.

UNVOTE:

[Vivax]

@Greeting

I don't use alts and I played this game for a very long time elsewhere with extraordinarily active players.

Apologize for my absence. I had a very rough weekend, catching up in the next couple hours.

Mafia post. Who's up for a flashwagon? Crystal orb says:

Spoiler:

VOTE: FancyPants

[Vivax]

@Greeting

I don't use alts and I played this game for a very long time elsewhere with extraordinarily active players.

But… it’s irrelevant whether you’ve played this game for long or short on other sites. The point I was making regarded your familiarity with this site, and specifically Not_Mafia, which isn’t something I expected from someone who has been here for so short.

And you‘re asking me about not_mafia in a game he‘s not in, which implies you know something that I don‘t.
Can we just stick to try and having a normal game of mafia?

[Vivax]

No Fred I want an alignment read on geraintm from Owen. He didn‘t answer a thing just keeps dancing around the issue pretending he gave an opinion.
I‘ll also add that I realized who n_m is on MU during 2273.

[Vivax]

The idea that someone is only town off "tone" is incompatible with thinking the wagon is bad. Feels like they know my alignment and so they know I flip town.

You have an immovable Judge Dredd persona about you, which I find pretty awesome btw.
Now you know why the cool kids club is trying to vote you off.

I'd place Fred there too, but he's kinda more riding a rational curiosity wave. Also, that's Beethoven on his avatar I think.

[Vivax]

FancyPants* - lurk idk
Vivax - troll town
MalcolmTucker - prob maf
Greeting - idk always failed at reading
Firebringer - hot null would't care to vote
Fredrick A Campbell - can afford to die
Dwlee99* - lurk
Crescent - eh idk
Lowell - prob town
bugspray - always failed at reading
PookyTheMagicalBear - always mafia
geraintm - prob maf
UNOwen - idk i started yawning at this guy, pretend that's there's something funny drawn at next 3 persons and i call it a day, too much effort for me
Prince of Paterson
Andante
MegAzumarill

VOTE: Enchant
When has Enchant ever made a reads list

Some games are so out of the ordinary that people can do extraordinary things.
I'm telling you in the most amicable way possible that your vote sucks.

[Vivax]

Some games are so out of the ordinary that people can do extraordinary things.
I'm telling you in the most amicable way possible that your vote sucks.

I don't get what would make this extraordinary for enchant

Then maybe you should ask them before voting for them. If you want to play mafia that is.

[Vivax]

Is this a chainsaw

You'd need a read on me to guess that

[Vivax]

Okay and what part of that reads list was trying hard to keep up appearances that im missing

Making it at all

Oddly townie post, same for pooky w the shitposting thing pronably

[Vivax]

VOTE: Prince of Paterson

[Vivax]

Can someone explain why UNOwens slot gets treated by the game like a priviliged one’s? There’s an almost nonexistant drive to fish for info there.

[Vivax]

Same for Prince’s, but the latter seems more scummy than Owen who could just be an antagonizer

[Vivax]

at work for 1 and a half hours still can’t make detailed posts

[Vivax]

Picking over half the game to have scum is top quality content.

This comment is garbage, I don't know if you're maliciously misrepresenting me or you're just wrong.

I named 7 people, there are 4 scum, that's pretty damn narrow.

Oh, I didn't realise you meant all the scum were in that group.
I still think posts like that day 1 are worthless, you.csn turn around later and go "look, they were in my list, wasn't I clever".

Day 1 reads are worthless

Day 1 reads aren't worthless, that's a good excuse to not try to get some though.

VOTE: UNOwen

[Vivax]

Same for Prince’s, but the latter seems more scummy than Owen who could just be an antagonizer

I haven't formed a read on Prince of Paterson yet. Want to help me out?

Yeah I think his posts are heavily designed to appear helpful and pro-town, but stiff. And he doesn't really interact flexibly with the game.

[Vivax]

mod can you like put the amount to yeet in the votes i have never played a game this big and idk the yeet facotr

Also think you're lying about that, but ok.

with 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to make a decision.

[Vivax]

Then again... I'm not used to playing games where you actually have to reach a majority to vote someone off. Actually seeing a hammer with 17 players in the game was very unlikely. Usually whoever's voted off day 1 wouldn't end any higher than like, 6 votes, unless they did something awful. It's possible I may need to revisit my general stance towards voting in large games in this community where the necessary vote count is so high.

Is this true? Explains a lot about your play style which rubs me up so much. Always with comments and thoughts but never backing it up with any actual action.

The hypocrisy of this post almost choked me through the computer screen

[Vivax]

Scum: MalcolmTucker (non-commital scum) /Bugspray (Lurking scum)/Geraintm(Newb-scum) /PookyTheMagicalBear(Experienced scum who's sad they rolled scum)


Maybe's: Firebringger/Dwlee99/Lowell

This is the post I use to gloat endgame.
Will defend these opinions to the death, come at me.

I will not kill you today cause you called geraintm newb scum. You have like 50% chance to be right on either of the two.
Crescent comparing Bugspray (top name tbh) to not_mafia again is also a good reason to rocket up my townlist.

Andante has permission to post some lighthearted looking stuff again but should expect breath down the neck during D2 and plan accordingly. More details in the scum PT.
Who we mislaunching today, peeps?

[Vivax]

I'm not mafia, for legal reasons.

[Vivax]

@Pooki, Can you please explain your thought process here?

the jokey nonresponse feels like scum trying to play it cool

like a "hello officer I swear I was not driving 150 mph and that is definitely not whiskey you smell on my breath"

So the tales that quality posters still exist were true gosh

[Vivax]

Vivax

, could you please summarise for me why you think

UNOwen

is scum?

It’s in my ISO, and I’m not sold that he’s scum. But I see that there’s resistance to treat him like any other player in the game and that bugs me. I’m known to preferentially attack so called primadonnas.

[Vivax]

Will get to it when off work, but it’s more likely I don’t case Owen here. I just dislike it when mafia becomes a game of politics and I think he’s being a beneficiary of that so he can play subpar and get away with it.

And no geraint that’s not a naughty point but a townie thing to say unless you don’t want people to work with each other.

[Vivax]

I'm still not sold on the Meg wagon, the case seems so flimsy, and I had a town read on the slot.
His lurking does make me suspicious though, so I'm less certain.

There's more peeps around lurking than just Meg. Reads like a strange reason, but just a little, just a little.

[Vivax]

My plan to pull out UNOwen from his emotional foxhole and exchange friendly headbutts to see what persona he is hiding isn't going too well.

[Vivax]

I'd give FancyPants maybe a 90% chance to flip mafia and a 10% chance that he started posting forced reads as town.

VOTE: FancyPants

Because Greeting asked and I respect that, here's a bunch of reasons.
Though it's mostly stream of consciousness in FPs ISO so conf bias alert:

@Greeting/Bugspray, do you generally find LAMIST posts to be scum aligned?

For reference, I'm timezone +2, I've been playing Mafia for years but I have about 10 games on this site, also have taken a hiatus from Mafia scum for the last 5 years but I don't feel rusty. I'm also generally fairly inactive during weekend, and I have a boozy BBQ today, so today is one of those days.
I find timezone and "how experienced you are" information useful to me personally if you're willing to share.

UNVOTE: Crescent
Early town vibes from them.

The first question in this post is just feigned activity. No reason to ask that to Bugspray at all but FP included them anyway.
Timezone timezone something. More filler.
Lighthearted unvote and weak read.

Apologize for my absence. I had a very rough weekend, catching up in the next couple hours.

After two days of enjoying the chaos, guilty conscience for not being around. Benefit of the doubt etc. etc.

Town in:
{vivax, greeting, Crescent, Prince, Andante, MegAzumaril}

VOTE: MalcomTucker
Reason: 261

@Bugspray, can you explain your scum reads on Vivax and Thread? 204
@Firebringer, who's scum?

Posts a PoE but not really cause he just said it may contain town, not that it has to.
Votes Malcolm for some post but instead of explaining why that post he follows it up with two questions.
Question to Bugspray reads to me like an intent to get someone to expand a wrong scumread on me without taking part in it.
Question at Firebringer is just whatever/null. Probably had merit.

The Fred and Azumaril wagons are bad, everyone should vote Malcom.

Calls Fred wagon bad when they weren't even in the pseudo-PoE before. Half-arsed push on Malcom.

I didn't call Fred town, I'm actually not sure of the slot I don't like the wagon for meta reasons I can't talk about because the game is still ongoing.

After calling the wagon bad for no apparent reason, here comes the excuse but too late.

Otherwise, less apparent reasons, and I didn't leave out much from his ISO anyway:

1. Questions to Firebringer led to nowhere but he seemed content to just ignore that slot or pretend it didn't matter.
2. He seems to avoid getting on a more personal level with players. Save maybe that post where he calls some other post from geraintm trash.
3. Bunch of LAMIST-y posts that seem designed to artificially balloon the confidence displayed, example in bolded:

Scum: MalcolmTucker (non-commital scum) /Bugspray (Lurking scum)/Geraintm(Newb-scum) /PookyTheMagicalBear(Experienced scum who's sad they rolled scum)

Maybe's: Firebringger/Dwlee99/Lowell

This is the post I use to gloat endgame.

Will defend these opinions to the death, come at me.

[Vivax]

VOTE: Meg. Here's a good wagon.

Fancy and prince are also scum.

Not that sure on Meg, can get behind the other ones.
If Meg is town and the other two are mafia, this is how I would bus. So sorry if you expected to be cleared at some point.

[Vivax]

Lowell called Prince, Fred, and Meg scum in #357, and has now cycled a vote on each of them. At the very least, it's consistent.

Not unlikely to be all correct, but I accepted Megs pocket.

[Vivax]

Since Meg hasn't answered still, the reason I'm asking about his opinion on the wagon is that I'd expect someone who had the reaction they had to the mini pileup on Fred would also show a bit of concern about scum being involved in the almost completely unexplained five vote wagon against himself. Responding to it by ignoring the votes and instead accusing FancyPants of tmi for calling it a bad wagon doesn't seem consistent. To me it looks like Meg couldn't tell whether the wagon was a bluff or not and didn't want to risk looking scummy by overreacting.

Hadn't really thought Meg was scummy previously, but this is actually fairly convincing reasoning. I'm okay with this, maybe Pooky is right after all.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

You think Meg gives off the impression that they'd show concern at something?

[Vivax]

I have seen this movie before

[Vivax]

Slow clap, I guess

[Vivax]

Btw these VC images are friggin amazing

I find them unsettling

[Vivax]

Mad detective skillz say this came from someone frozen and crying in mafia chat.

[Vivax]

If this gamestate continues I will have to use one of my ultimate mafia abilities, and great embarrassment shall befall those who don’t play mafia with pure heart. Yes, even the fourth wall will not be spared.

I will summon the great Satyricon.
Or maybe just go for a hike if I’m not in the mood.

[Vivax]

I want to see the great satyricon

I would put myself at great risk writing such a daring piece. Dangers lurk behind the fourth wall.
If you are playing this game with honour and pure heart and want to witness justice for the bad acting you had to experience this game, I will need :

More

real

and

true

players to write

I want to see the great satyricon

and two spoonful of salt from the mafia and host PTs each.

[Vivax]

did you just call me a fake and false player

No, I'm asking for more good faith players to repeat what you said, because it better be fooking worth it to write that.

[Vivax]

google says its some story about a horse.

My google said something else.

Plot twist : I'm half Italian.
Plot twist2 : I'm playing a game called mafia.
Plot twist3 : The author of the original Satyricon was born in the same city as I. But I only knew that after I came up with the name.

Seeing you people shitpost is making my ultimate bar go down though. The mission may already be accomplished.

[Vivax]

VOTE: Bugspray

Disclaimer: Not a scumread, but killing not_mafia or people who could be them is always fun.

[Vivax]

VOTE: bugspray

Come along, let's pressure this player into giving some opinions.

VOTE: BUGSPRAY

OBVSCUM DIE

VOTE: Bugspray

Disclaimer: Not a scumread, but killing not_mafia or people who could be them is always fun.

did bugspray claim maf? what did I miss?

It's a concerted effort to fool outsiders into thinking that this is a game of mafia.

[Vivax]

This is a post

[Vivax]

uhm, im worried that it's page 25 and meg is already at 7 votes without a counterwagon? what's happening here? i've been seeing these from my past games and it's almost always scum behind it.

why do you say this and then immediately vote for someone who isn't on the wagon

Winner winner.
Why do you say this and then not vote for them? Oh right, you're not supposed to look townie.

[Vivax]

i wanna see something

No fun allowed. This is a game of mafia. I want to see your war face.

[Vivax]

For your information, the avoidant pacifist in a frog costume looks awfully similar to another face I saw somewhere else. His ultimate ability could be to summon big walls of sometimes questionable math, so I humbly request to ignore that slot as much as you can.

[Vivax]

VOTE: Crescent

Already fence sitting tut tut.

Going to have to crunch through the tinfoil that this was a bus considering that FancyPants is basically redchecked at this point.

[Vivax]

I will say though there's a decent likelihood that Bugspray is town if Meg is scum because this counterwagon feels kinda weak and is on arguably

the easiest target in the game.

How is it the easiest target in the game? Why not count Fred among them? Or Enchant? Or DWLee99?

Didn't the fantastic four wagon Fred at some point?

[Vivax]

Lee isn't scum, I don't think. They don't seem to care much about keeping up appearances. The difference is probably simply that this isn't a very interesting game so far.

Have you ever considered trying to *make* it interesting through your own actions? This isn't a spectator chat but that's how you play.

[Vivax]

Lee isn't scum, I don't think. They don't seem to care much about keeping up appearances. The difference is probably simply that this isn't a very interesting game so far.

Have you ever considered trying to *make* it interesting through your own actions? This isn't a spectator chat but that's how you play.

Limming scum would be interesting, and I'm trying to do that.

A minimalist, I see.
The thing is, it's your decision whether it's just a game of darts, or a game of arts.

[Vivax]

Ger tends not to do much on D1 as a general rule. Vote on Fred could be read as opportunistic and there's not much in their limited ISO so far but it's feasible from town Ger.

this feels like TMI

VOTE: Malcolm

like, ok so what gerain usually doesn't do much? you used too many words to go "gerain probably town" like, you're trying to justify a TR there, but it's actually a really bad take, cause I have a great example of scum!gerain doing nothing day 1. but going "that's feasible from town Ger" like what?? Gerain should be no where near being called town right now. I'm not saying they have to be a SR, but like, there's nothing in this game so far to push gerain into TR territory

I also like Andante

Do you also scumread Malcolm Tucker?
I guarantee that Fredrick is a monster town player after a reread. Probably the alt of a highly competent veteran.

[Vivax]

Maybe I'm a bit biased but I can't unsee bugs-Crescent-Meg lol

Crescent, Meg you say?

Why not vote Bugspray? The water is warm.

[Vivax]

Uh, the very first thing he did upon replacing in was vote Bugspray.

He? Okay then.

I guess i can add that to the reasons that make the slot mafia. Feels odd from Unsure to apologize for not unseeing his main scumread.

[Vivax]

Do you also scumread Malcolm Tucker?

if Meg is scum i think Malcolm can be scum too because i think their read on meg is remarkably absent of nuance, which is a signature of

town!MalcolmTucker.

town?MalcolmTucker

?

Or are you saying that Malcolm should always have a nuanced read on Meg and yours is a typo?

[Vivax]

TROLL ALT ALERT

TROLL ALT ALERT

Imo in Trolled mafia tried to pin blame on me exactly for "Enchant doing anything more than shitposting is scummy", which.is ridiculously not true.

Who do you mean?
Unsure?DW99?
Troll as in town troll or?

[Vivax]

Right now, I think that the series of four posts starting with 188 are the most likely thing to come from scum that I've seen so far. Fredrick A Campbell inserts himself into the main conflict of the game, Vivax vs UNOwen, and tries to add fuel to the fire of one of the sides. The fact that I believe the criticism is inaccurate (UNOwen was referring to post 138, which Fredrick himself has ignored) makes me think it's even more likely that it was a made up reason to join what looks to me like a T/T conflict and encourage it to continue.

VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

So much of Fred's ISO is nonsense. Virtually none of it is actual content and he follows a naked vote on Owen with... Some really awkward looking shade. Third highest post count in the game right now and all I can really say about him is "he exists".

Fred could easily be scum, his commentary so far has been pretty shallow and doesn't suggest he's actually given things much thought (see also 179 which asks Lowell a question pretty obviously answered in context).

So much of Fred's ISO is nonsense.

exactly why I just want to lim the slot

These 4 people posted the same agenda in batch at around the same time.

VOTE: Andante

Gut says one of those are scum. Scum loves these kind of wagons that arent necessarily alignment related.
I think this is the most likely.

Vivax points out how Fred got a buncha people talking about him at the same time, and Meg immediately leads a train on Andante, dragging Vivax along with him soon after this. This effectively killed most of the momentum on Fred, yet it doesn't even give a read on Fred. Meg never gives ANY read on Fred the entire time he's doing this.

And the Andante train was the worst train in the early game. She was effectively getting bullied for absolutely no reason on a really forced argument that one of the 4 people Vivax mentioned MUST be scum. If there's any reason I've had to think Meg might be scum, it's the train on Andante.

Your point being? Something like Fred is mafia because mafia Meg ignored Fred?

Why was the Andante train bad if you don't know their alignment and why do you mention my reasons being the same as Meg's reason to start a wagon on Andante?

This reads like:
"Meg is mafia because she was on a wagon that Vivax suspected"
Even though she voted before me, going by your post.

[Vivax]

why is andante vs meg a thing?

Because the way he led that train on you and the forced reasoning he did it for have never set right with me.

This sounds like you are mentioning me while trying to explain your read on Meg.
We started that wagon together and you struggle to explain your mafia read on them because you'd have to call my reasoning forced too.

[Vivax]

why is andante vs meg a thing?

Because the way he led that train on you and the forced reasoning he did it for have never set right with me.

This sounds like you are mentioning me while trying to explain your read on Meg.
We started that wagon together and you struggle to explain your mafia read on them because you'd have to call my reasoning forced too.

Your reasoning was also forced, and Meg leg you along like a good little puppy.

You aren't even voting them and treat me like confirmed town and Meg like confirmed mafia.

[Vivax]

it's 17p. two flips is always better than a messy D1. it seems like there's a lot to learn from whether Meg is green or red. red flip means we can effectively townblock based on who fought for the wagon the hardest and green flip means we can hunt inside the wagon.

The only thing it would mean is mafia Andante got shielded and town led to another mafia.
There is no town though. There's an uninformed town minority, and a majority mafia.

[Vivax]

If I turn the game on its head.
Andante, Fred, me, Meg uninformed? Maybe all mafia except me.
Now we can flip.

VOTE: MegAzumaril

[Vivax]

Coming around to Andante town ftr

[Vivax]

Ultimate obvious bus.

Ehh idk

[Vivax]

Imagine playing mafia for the logic, but you can't play chess while at it. Where are the hard feelings, the sore backsides and the drama? The best stories aren't made out of logic.

I'm nominating myself to narrator for this game since I'm universally townread anyway, somebody has to.

Coming around to Andante town ftr

For the record, you came off to me all day as town who knows he kinda shit the bed in 2273, and is trying too hard to make up for it here. It's why Meg led you onto Andante so easily.

I'm very much doubting that Meg saw all that attention on one scum, and then decided to immediately start a train on another scum. Andante being scum would be one hell of a 3D chess play that we have no reason to entertain anytime soon.

Sorry, with probably at least a hundred games under my belt I have come to realize that it's not about success in the game, but about the funny stories in them for reminiscing and entertainment purposes. So you can bet I won't try to make up for anything except for low activity.

[Vivax]

Another pagetop stolen, another one of Datisis jimmies rustled. Silent curses echoed in the halls of a derelict Croatian castle as quick fingers rustled through dank memes.

[Vivax]

In vain, Crescent wildly scratched at the homunculus that below the surface hid a slumbering beast of supreme power: The great Satyricon. Modern witches had forgotten the ancient ways of text thaumaturgy, so they resorted to more crude means of getting the reactions they wanted to see. Little did she know that the homunculus passed many years of rigorous training at the battlegrounds of TLmafia, the MMA Octagon of mafia now almost deserted. Most players left from having their souls crushed, the few remaining ones scattered. The survivors of the wild fights with minimal moderation that left many a people scarred, and others empowered for they drained their opponents of precious sanity and made it their own.

[Vivax]

The great outrage that followed Bugsprays claim surely had nothing to do with Datisi purposely giving them that role because we're all mere fleas in his circus, ready to be squashed on a whim by the unlucky person who would be blessed with the doubtful gift of such an accursed weapon that could cause great harm if wielded selfishly and without pure intentions.
The only certainty in the circus was that the next mafia would surely be found through an incriminating interaction with the deceased bug MegAzumaril. Little did they know that there are many such interactions, of which often the one most suitable to one's own beliefs is picked, and that the mafia would be found by simply looking for who would exploit this for themselves in a way that would allow them to do as little as possible further in the day.

[Vivax]

Firebringer shook at the prospect of what Enchant was about to unleash and was in denial at the sight of the metamorphosis unfolding in front of him

[Vivax]

Adante = town.

My hesitation with Fred is that Lowell abandoned the Meg wagon for Fred just as it began to gather momentum, and then didn't return until it was clear the Meg wagon was serious. So it seemed like Lowell might have been trying to defuse the pressure on his buddy which obviously doesn't work if Fred is also scum.

I tried to puzzle together the purpose behind this post.

Looking at Lowell's ISO it doesn't seem like one should assume that they wanted to defuse pressure. Both Fred and Meg were their scumreads and it looks like they were flexibly swapping between the wagons.
The post above implies a 100% scumread on Lowell considering that the purpose of that post seems to be at most

to townread Fred off Lowells presumed mafia-alignment

, but nowhere else is there an indication of a Lowell scumread from Owen.

UNOwen claimed Malcolms hammer was bad and there's a decent wagon right from SoD, but didn't vote.

Spoiler:

Malcolm's hammer was bad, he needs to explain what arguments he was convinced by and why it took him until Meg was at E-1 to be convinced.

So
VOTE: UNOwen

[Vivax]

The game of mafia seems at times like an escape room game with two teams that have to eliminate each other. In a way, it‘s a bit like the SAW horror movie.
That room you‘re in can heat up quite a bit in the process, if this was a room in SAW and people started to randomly try to slay each other, maybe one should ask around why there‘s a tree in the middle of the room that isn‘t trying to eliminate anyone.

[Vivax]

863 clarification. They is Lowell when I meant they were flexibly swapping.

[Vivax]

I‘ll probably respond in more detail when not phoneposting, but since you‘re thinking in flipclearing terms, who do you think got cleared by Megs flip?
One could think you‘d also be applying that logic retrospectively.

[Vivax]

You people trying to scumread me need to try harder. Bugs says I have no gun and there’s all of a sudden a suspiciously large number of ppl eager to lowkey scumread me. Seems awfully convenient if you get what I’m saying.

It IS awfully convenient. They sell Lowell scumreads in bulk at Aldi around here for 50c a piece. You should be able to find a few at Costcos over there.

[Vivax]

So i am going back on unsure being a buss from meg. Looks like fancy was wrong town. I could still see it being scum but leaving it at the door. Calling unsure town for now

Bugspray was a counter. Seems like a designated misyeet. Claiming gunsmith out of nowhere. Who cares.

Fred is a weird one.

I still don't understand why fred continues to get traction and everyone sees slot as scum or gets in lists everywhere. I am not saying ohh fred town, i am going "I don't know why this slot gets so much attention".

I should dig into it to get a big brain opinion.


Anyways if i was yeeting someone at this moment it would be Prince

This is a bit of an odd post. I don't necessarily completely SR Fred but the case for them so far seems pretty clear.

This reads like a weak attempt at defending Fred that can't necessarily find a proper reason to TR them so tries to shade the case entirely without explaining why we shouldn't SR Fred.

Really? This accusation is scummy. And you should be able to see his point from how many peeps tried to murder Fred D1.

Do you disagree with Owen that Firebringer is cleared from Meg flip then?

[Vivax]

Ping-pon is amazing.
Nice post gera, can I call you pinhead you sly devil?

[Vivax]

@ Greeting

if you remove the bugspray/lowell pair too, you get left with
Unsure, Fredrick A Campbell, Dwlee99 UNOwen, Prince of Paterson

are you happier with those?

Actually, yes, this does look good for a PoE.

I could go after

Unsure

or

UNOwen

today. Second preference is

Dwlee99

on par with

Prince of Paterson

.

My gut feeling says that

Fredrick A Campbell

is town though. I just kinda see him trying to solve the game and the early game wagon on him as a town hiccup we had over his bizarre behavior. But I've been miseliminated countless times as town for doing weird things too. So I find myself quite unwilling going after

Fredrick

at the moment.

But I haven't looked at this slot closely (I only read his posts while reading the thread in general) since like the beginning of Day 1, and perhaps I should.

I can get behind this sentiment. I got the feeling there's spite or some other hidden reason behind some of the pushes on Fred but it isn't properly visible in the thread.

Ping-pon is amazing.
Nice post gera, can I call you pinhead you sly devil?

i have no idea what this means

Well your avatar makes me think of Pinhead. I thought maybe that was the point.
Otherwise, the points on Malcolm have some merit, but it's weird you're paying attention to Firebringer as I think the hints that FB is town prevail. So you're kinda burying your points on MT at the same time by doing that and thinning down your focus.

[Vivax]

Not going to lie it's funny how puzzled Andante is at getting townread for doing nothing.

[Vivax]

VOTE: Unsure

Likable counterwagon. The predecessor to the slot had enough scummy stuff going for themselves.

[Vivax]

If

MalcolmTucker

had jumped on

Unsure

or

Frederick

right now, I would start second guessing my judgement. But this is accused townie behavior in my opinion.

Coming around to that as well. It's just hard with so many probable townies playing deliberately low info.
Pooky's LUMP legacy seems decent though idk about Lowell.

[Vivax]

General reminder that I could be mafia too.
Thank you for your attention.

[Vivax]

Spoiler:

General reminder that I could be mafia too.
Thank you for your attention.

Not_Mafia is Mafia let's get him.

General reminder that I could be mafia too.
Thank you for your attention.

Crescent I'm townreading for attempting to find mafia.

Firebringer I'm voting because Firebringer is one of the players I'm not townreading.

MalcolmTucker is also a player I'm not townreading, but I've randomly decided to go for Firebringer first.

Um let's walk through this. First, it's not like I'm the only one trying to solve. Second, Fire is a completely useless splinter when like 6 people have votes and you're apparently neutral on most of the game.

Second is: If you're town, I would

not

be trying to find mafia, because I've effectively been death tunneling on you all day. You basically haven't even responded to like, any arguments at all, but you're also giving me a town read that makes no sense to give out.

Like your reason for calling me town only actually makes sense if you're scum.

[Vivax]

This is a bruh moment

[Vivax]

DWlee

solving

? Really? The person who's only content of the entire game is tunneling over someone based on a single d1 post that no one agreed with them with?

Which post do you think he replied to when he wrote the ‚not during semester‘ thingy last phase?

[Vivax]

they*

[Vivax]

This is a service announcement:
Be afraid mafia, be very afraid and always put the carrot on the nose.

[Vivax]

Ugh prince is probably town. Sad

This is too hyperbole to be genuine.

Was starting to doubt Fredrick scum a little bit after reading some of his past games, but his latest posts have made me feel more confident again.

This from Prince doesn't read like natural thinking.

Maybe worth thinking of a Lowell + Prince team as well?

[Vivax]

Lowell, Unsure, Prince

probs would be my launch pool

[Vivax]

becuz if you arrange their names like Lowell/Unsure/Meg/Prince it spells out LUMP

which is pretty close to PUMP and its time to get PUMPED UP

Only cool team is team bonkers tbh

[Vivax]

What did Beethoven ever do to you

[Vivax]

Not touching that wagon with an 8-foot pole

[Vivax]

I still strongly prefer eliminating

Unsure

today. Even though

Fredrick A Campbell

is almost certainly our choice for today, I really don't want to announce intent to hammer nor hammer him. I'm not going against my gut here.

Maybe I'm wrong though.

But also, yes, unsure is scum too. I’m feeling lucky.

He claimed sickness so can put this on ice for a while. Forgot if he claimed or not.

[Vivax]

I know I would have unvoted in Enchant's situation in a heartbeat.

Anyway, sore throat began about 13 hours ago. Fever began 2 hours ago, I'll go back to sleep

Let's go down this rabbit hole a bit more and say that my last post actually was right.

You were -1 for 8 hours. Enchant voted you at a critical time in the game (A 4-3-3 vote split) for absolutely no reason (Enchant has voted you twice this game and given reasons for neither).

But the interesting thing is... Compare Gera's unvote on Meg at -1 to Enchant's unvote on you at -1. Gera unvoted to give Meg more time to speak. A simple, plain reason. Enchant invented a reason that flat out contradicts Meg's train yesterday. The reason is forced, and only exists as an excuse to unvote you, when no reason was ever given to vote you in the first place.

This is often the difference between town unvoting and scum unvoting.

That intro was funny not gonna lie. I do like the thought of putting on a blindfold and sticking my neck into rabbit holes on hikes and then pretend some ghastly voice in there tells me enchant is mafia.
I mean, I put some credit into DWLeeninetynine (writing it out so I can come up with some random arsejoke but I got mental comms silence) scumreading Enchant off effort. And I have an easier time scumreading enchant when they don't look like a fooking fairy tbh.

I guess I'm just too annoyed at Ench + FB constantly hacking at each other with training weapons to seriously consider these slots being mafia.
But you got me intrigued when you said that Ench mafia or maybe your thought process there would make Prince of Patties mafia and wouldn't mind knowing the why cause I believe everyone should pay respects to Pookys last reads.

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On another note, if there's a Prince of Patties in this game, we need to mind the Burger King when we try to murder them

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I am Hagrid.

How the hell you suspect Hagrid.

Have you watched Harry Potter, scamp?
Hagrid was a notorious criminal. Maybe well intented, but still a criminal

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I am Hagrid.

How the hell you suspect Hagrid.

Have you watched Harry Potter, scamp?
Hagrid was a notorious criminal. Maybe well intented, but still a criminal

I am Vigilante.

Correction: You got a gun from Pugspray

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game relevant post: i will literally vote anyone who isn't me

This is town according to a majority.
Insertchurchilldemocracyquoteshere

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VOTE: enchant

Clear scum here. Let’s wagon ppl.

Lowell spontaneously combusted

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I'm contemplating whether I want a possible scum with a gun alive cause Bugspray felt like being funny and not give it to an obvious town, so I might go for enchant today.

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VOTE: Enchant

There's a first time for everything

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ayo the pizza here

Just read the ISO of your slot please and tell me it wasn't all bo-shite.
I'm town so you won't have to call me baked potato-brained this game.

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Baked potatos are dry and yucky , roasted in a pan is the way to go

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I'm considering geraintm for scum pile maybe.
I just don't get any intention to solve from him, mostly a bunch of case-like posts that seem aimed at pointing out oddities and scummities, and weird pop-ins from time to time.

For the love of all that is holy I can we not no-elim on day 1

Yes!
Let's do this!
Brewster's Millions style!

And this post is so hype that it'd be a decent opportunity to pass along a read on FP along the way, but nah.

tis game is dying a death, second game in a row

Comments like this tend to come from mafia.
Especially with this followup.

i would push the Fred wagon over the edge, but ther eis no way we should be ended today right now. we will end up with the situation where a bunch of players cruise through to day 4 or whenever with no content whatsoever.

There's no reason to assume the game is dying if the wagon on Fred is rolling and you declare intent to complete it. Unless you know it's a mislaunch.
Yolo

VOTE: geraintm

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I just don't get any intention to solve from him, mostly a bunch of case-like posts that seem aimed at pointing out oddities and scummities, and weird pop-ins from time to time.

oddities instead of scummities*

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I'm going to work soon but I decided to have some fun with it and make a small chart.

Fred is town:

Enchant and Prince are both very likely scum. For #4, I would look at Owen first. Also, Fire and MT would need pressure to contribute more.

Fred is scum:

Remember Enchant, Prince, and Owen? Yeah they're all probably town in this scenario. Take a hard look at Mala and Unsure. Honestly Fire and MT still need pressure to contribute more in this scenario too.


Andante, Gamma, Gera, Lowell, and Vivax are probably all town regardless. Lowell could be super-chaotic scum, or Andante/Meg could have done something really messed up, but those are niche possibilities that don't stand out at present.

Side note: I feel like Greeting pretty blatantly attempted to pocket me earlier today, and he also left both Bugspray and Lowell in his POE, which MT notably did not. If there's any "Wild Card" that wouldn't surprise me to see turn out scum in either scenario, it's him. I'll likely be dead long before the game gets to this point, but if all the more "obvious" scum candidates are gone, and there's still a scum left, look at this guy. If anyone is a "Deepwolf" candidate to me, it's Greeting.

Could you null gera and Lowell? Can't roast potatoes in this game at this temperature and if gera is town he's on strike.
I refuse to entertain Greeting as mafia and if they were I would concede to them.

Don't think Fire needs temperature tbh, pun not intended.
MT is a riddle to me, reminds me of an even less talkative Fred. But I think could be town.

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Also it won't hurt to put a few screws on gera just for the fun of it.
Humbly requesting townies to come to the dark side /jk and place a few votes on him to have a counterwagon being worth called that way.

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That's the point of being a "Deepwolf".

I would not kill any of those players before I killed Greeting at this present time.

Oh you did the turn game on its head thingy. That's fun to do but I'd wait for a few misyeets.
Would you mind voting with me in an attempt to revive the game? The game lacks thought contagion.

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Anyone not voting fred, tell me right now why you TR Fred

He's on team truth, not team liars

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Anyone not voting fred, tell me right now why you TR Fred

He's on team truth, not team liars

I need more than that

You mean you don't

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VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

I'm convinced. Nice effort.

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Anyone not voting fred, tell me right now why you TR Fred

He's on team truth, not team liars

What happened to team truth earlier?

How much earlier?
We got launched.

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Didn't say which way

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I see insanity and raise you even more insanity

So, a relative I'm living with has tested positive for COVID-19 on a self-test kit. I'm having a little more phlagm then usual but am otherwise feeling fine. Here's hoping I'm not infected.

Quite fine luck isn't it if I do get infected. One bout of food poisoning followed shortly by another round of food poisoning caused by a foul-smelling prawn and then COVID-19.

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I'm just glad about three days of rain and thunder so far.
I've heard it's unbearably hot around the world.

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I thought the temperature was high enough for more to crawl out, but maybe I was wrong

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Very lol page

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I wonder if that other replacement is also a special snowflake

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[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=13455292#p13455292]post 1191[/url], Firebringer"]Ur the only true special snowflake here vivax[/quote]

Nope, there‘s surely a dozen at least

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UNVOTE:

I guess I wouldn‘t mind a longer cycle after all

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If Fred dies I‘ll blame the ninth of february

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I was gonna read but I’m in a miserable mood rn

Best of wishes.
I‘m out of the headbutting mood for a while.

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If laughing is weird, then that interaction is very weird.

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If laughing is weird, then that interaction is very weird.

I'm weird.

BUT DAMNIT I'M CUTE.

Yeah that‘s not mutually exclusive and often synonymous
Can make one a bit reclusive though

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Spoiler: Post 1205

Post 841

Interaction between Firebringer and Enchant starting these posts were weird. After some thought, I believe this is an attempt to distance themselves from each other. The other interactions between Firebringer and Enchant that I remember are about as weird to me.

In combination, all the interactions seem to be telling the audience "Look, [Firebringer/Enchant] is suspicious of [Enchant/Firebringer]. In case you forget or missed this show, we will put on another show in a few days' time."

Spoiler: Current Situation

Tested positive about 3 hours ago on a Covid-19 Self Test Kit

MAFIA PT:
"Hey, we probably need to distance with Enchant!"
"But why, Enchant ultimatly lurks and doesh't interact with us at all."
"Let's do it anyway, it will work for sure if Enchant dies."
"Yeah makes sense."

8 hours later:
"Oh heck, they discovered it was trick, what we gonna do now?"
"I guess bitch about Fredrick, was too smart."


... No really, if you have idea i even need to distancing with someone, you probably didn't bother with thinking.

And just by saying that, you made it WIFOM.

You shouldn‘t drink out of frustration just for that

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If laughing is weird, then that interaction is very weird.

I'm weird.

BUT DAMNIT I'M CUTE.

Yeah that‘s not mutually exclusive and often synonymous
Can make one a bit reclusive though

Oh I know. My weirdness adds to my cuteness.

...And I can be rather reclusive at times.

Always had a big aversion to attention. But I like it in mafia, at least it‘s not instantly in my face.
Only water drinkers here? Where‘s the booze specialist?

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I drunk water and look what i become.

Some troller on mafiascum.

Are you the boozelord?

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Here is a good question for everyone.
Why am i the only one voting Mala?

VOTE: Malakittens

Not so good now eh

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Also... Mala might seriously need to be replaced out. That slot is bad.

Theres spots open on this wagon im selling.
Has prime real estate. New carpet and appliances

You‘re the rich guy with my carpet that the mafia stole from me?

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Also... Mala might seriously need to be replaced out. That slot is bad.

Theres spots open on this wagon im selling.
Has prime real estate. New carpet and appliances

You‘re the rich guy with my carpet that the mafia stole from me?

I wouldn't say rich. More affluent.
U already got the new carpet for joining though so u shouldn't complain

Yeah I won‘t complain, I would join the wagon for free too.
Feels like I‘m swimming in junk I don‘t need anyways.

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im feeling vibes this will be like last game i tried to dismantle a wagon and then i got counter wagoned and got limmed.
Good times

Would be pretty funny if that happened again, and if the person i tried saving was scum. again.

Why are you a dog now

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Also... Mala might seriously need to be replaced out. That slot is bad.

Theres spots open on this wagon im selling.
Has prime real estate. New carpet and appliances

You‘re the rich guy with my carpet that the mafia stole from me?

I wouldn't say rich. More affluent.
U already got the new carpet for joining though so u shouldn't complain

Ohhhh I got the drift now

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Don't know what that means

Well a cat wrote that post

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I drunk water and look what i become.

Some troller on mafiascum.

Seems town to me though.
This is just too funny to be mafia. Or should I have said weird.
At least for today, can we not vote ench? Worth keeping your post in mind tho.

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But he wanted to wait for day 99 of this game.
Well, I guess I‘ll think it through later. Got to sign off now.

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Also... Mala might seriously need to be replaced out. That slot is bad.

Theres spots open on this wagon im selling.
Has prime real estate. New carpet and appliances

You‘re the rich guy with my carpet that the mafia stole from me?

I wouldn't say rich. More affluent.
U already got the new carpet for joining though so u shouldn't complain

Yeah I won‘t complain, I would join the wagon for free too.
Feels like I‘m swimming in junk I don‘t need anyways.[/

Since I just realized how unclear this is (lol), it meant items. I don’t need carpets, but I could do with a pelt and I like FBs confidence about the MK vote.

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Firebringer or quotebreaker, that‘s the question >_>

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UNOwen not wanting to comment on geraintm back in day 1. I don't know what to make of this.

Spaghetti.

Are you sure your intention wasn‘t to be called Fred, but FAC instead?

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If you‘re unsure, I think POP made good points on FAC previously

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Meg really didn‘t want to vote fredrick

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VOTE: Fredrick A Campbell

-1

Someone fake scumread me ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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The solar flares almost gave me a stroke today
Y‘all need to stop wifoming, it‘s a national pastime around here and they don‘t play mafia because of it
Greeting will likely be wise enough to come around to the Fred wagon

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I GET TO BE A PART OF FIRE'S FREE TIME!!!!!

Andante wants to go Aldente
Maybe after a Fred lunch

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Here's the issue I have with voting Mala right now based on the notion that Fred is town. A Mala flip basically doesn't tell us anything.

If Fred is town, there is an over 90% chance Enchant is scum. If Enchant is scum, Mala's chances of being town go up a little based on DWLee's actions.

Let's sum up Enchant even further now that we've seen more: He unvotes for an awful reason, that also seems to slip knowledge that Fred is town, and has a terrible reaction in response to the scrutiny. On top of this bad reaction, he never makes any effort whatsoever to explain why it suddenly made Fred "town" in the first place, which was the very first thing I asked.

Then he just says **** it, and naked votes Fred

for the third time this game

.


Prince's logic for a Fred vote is pretty solid, I'll give him that, but I still hold that Enchant feels like scum who followed this pattern:


A. Hopped from lazy pre-planned wagon (MT) to town wagon (Fred) as MT's wagon was fading off.

B. Found a bad excuse to get off of Fred's wagon so as to not be caught on a town flip.

C. Reacted poorly under the scrutiny of this unvote, but wouldn't actually address why it stuck out as bad. Gave no reason for why this made Fred town.

D. Saw Fred's train suddenly losing steam, and contradicted himself by jumping back onto a guy he just called town for absolutely no reason... With a vote made for absolutely no reason.


This doesn't feel remotely like town progression, and it seems far too ill timed at times and awkward at others to be a bus.

Good post.

Was about to write that I'm disappointed you wouldn't be saying that to a case on y...oooh

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You really think a lot about that game don't you.
Wouldn't mind seeing how you play scum at some point.

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You really think a lot about that game don't you.
Wouldn't mind seeing how you play scum at some point.

I have been in 3 games so far and I can still remember a significant amount of all of them, including the arguments I made on any given day, and roughly when I made those arguments.

...I may not be able to find where I put something down 3 minutes ago, but my memory is that good. These games lasting so much longer than my norm is giving them even more staying power in my head.

Good, that increases the staying power universally, but I might be drifting off

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Mafia please don't kill Crescent

... I actually feel my brain turns in tomato pasta due bad sleep, i need sleep I can't sleep i need th

lmao

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Malcolm's hammer was bad, he needs to explain what arguments he was convinced by and why it took him until Meg was at E-1 to be convinced.

It's worse because he was shaded for almost completely ignoring Meg's train before that. It felt obligatory, in a sense.

Anyways ngl bloodlust sounds fun right now. I've played some really measured minis so far, but this is a large and I kinda don't want to wait two whole weeks to impale Fred's head on a spike.

Fun fact: The moment Meg flipped scum, I was thinking about first-post voting Fred and saying "That's one down, and you're next" today if I lived the night. Damnit that would've been baller I should've just done it.

Feel free to have more of these moments.
Not strictly Fred-related

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I'm very docile by nature and the composed often passive way I address games of mafia is pretty par from the course for my personality.

Getting super aggressive in a mafia game will actually cause me to physically tremor because I can't handle it on a sustained basis.

I have to pick and choose my spots to really go on the attack.

Like on full moons?

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Anyway I don't really expect a reply to that.
Just assuming POP will be who hammers Fred

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Nvm I'm dumb