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Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:31 pm

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I know how to piss off everyone in 3 words, fear me.
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Post Post #11 (isolation #1) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:36 pm

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Remind me, why i should't vote no-lim and let everyone turn cult so everyone win?

Well expect for fact that cult wins on majority, therefore there's always two losers who lose, but who cares?
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Post Post #14 (isolation #2) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 12:37 am

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In post 13, Bellaphant wrote:Sucks to be the 20% but the needs of the many...

No, for reals though, isn't that really boring?
WE literally playing mafia. What you about?
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Post Post #20 (isolation #3) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:12 am

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In post 19, Jacket wrote:
In post 11, Enchant wrote:Remind me, why i should't vote no-lim and let everyone turn cult so everyone win?

Well expect for fact that cult wins on majority, therefore there's always two losers who lose, but who cares?
Do you expect the cult to reward your generosity?
Yes.
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Post Post #21 (isolation #4) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:12 am

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Actually hold on...
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Post Post #22 (isolation #5) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:13 am

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Mmmmm... Yep?
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Post Post #26 (isolation #6) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:17 am

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Plainly, game won instantly after Cult Leader is dead, so it's always in benefit to simple massclaim D1.

On D2 and afterwards, assuming someone is converted, there will be always doubt that PR is converted and traded claims with Cult Leader to let him not look suspicious.

So... Yep. From my POV i have 1/10 chance to hit CL, if every PR claims without challenge, it turns in 1/7.

Why not?
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Post Post #30 (isolation #7) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:01 am

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In post 29, Jacket wrote:
In post 26, Enchant wrote:Plainly, game won instantly after Cult Leader is dead, so it's always in benefit to simple massclaim D1.

On D2 and afterwards, assuming someone is converted, there will be always doubt that PR is converted and traded claims with Cult Leader to let him not look suspicious.

So... Yep. From my POV i have 1/10 chance to hit CL, if every PR claims without challenge, it turns in 1/7.

Why not?
Can't the PRs prove themselves on later days, though? I don't see why they need to out now.
Vengeful proves self by being elimmed and ability to shot. You probably don't want to elim them to prove power, as they are not Cult Leaders.
Governor overrules day 4 and chooses elim. Well, we will know that obviously, but see next letters.

Both remain in power after conversation. Therefore having converted vengeful is not cool, as they turn in mine. It's easier to confirm them now and then don't touch them for game end. Converted Governor plainly gurantee that CL doesh't get killed, more over someone cult desire will elimmed instead.
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Post Post #32 (isolation #8) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:06 am

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Vengeful triggered when they are elimmed via vote.

Dying to vengeful doesh't trigger vengeful.
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Post Post #33 (isolation #9) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:08 am

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... Who even converts Vengeful which claim d1? They claim and basically never elimmed, as they are again... Not Cult Leader with quarantee.
Governor probably can be converted for power, but if we don't manage to hit CL for 3 days, we kinda deserved to suck up.
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Post Post #34 (isolation #10) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:09 am

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Overall setup sucks. All PRs are basically Innocent Atheists.
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Post Post #46 (isolation #11) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:58 am

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In post 44, furtiveglance wrote:You got put at E-2 on page 1.
E-3*
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Post Post #47 (isolation #12) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 6:59 am

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I probably will make outrageous claim, but i won't hammer before vengefuls claim.

There's literally no reason for them to NOT. Otherwise i challenge you to internet boxing fight right now.
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Post Post #48 (isolation #13) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:20 am

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Actually let's do it funny way.

Play game like normal, and on 3 days before deadline force Vengefuls to claim. Therefore we will know who could tried push them and vice versa.
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Post Post #49 (isolation #14) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:20 am

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Problem is i suck at playing mafia but that's different question tbh.
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Post Post #51 (isolation #15) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:53 am

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I meant real days.

Just in a case, PRs can claim and receive all benefits of it at any moment, but if/when we elim Cult Prime, afterwards claim point is proven moot, as converted PR can just trade claims with Cult Leader, providing them with cover. So instead of confirmation of "Not Cult Leader" and shredding POE, you receive whole nothing.
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Post Post #82 (isolation #16) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:08 pm

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In post 72, Korina wrote:
In post 23, Beat wrote:That wouldnt be playing to a town win con Enchant

VOTE: Jacket

That said I think both vengeful townies should claim
this is a shitty take, and i don't know if town ever comes up with this take because it's so bad.

tprs retain abilities on convert.

they never claim unless e-1, in which case we decide who they should shoot and then kill them
Why?
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Post Post #84 (isolation #17) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:30 pm

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In post 83, Korina wrote:because if they refuse to kill who we said, we killed cult anyways, and vengefuls should be killed for double-elims anyways?
Maybe force Vengefuls to claim D1, so we know they are starting vengefuls and thus not Cult Leaders and they not elimmed anyway?

Because we win instantly after death of one?
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Post Post #86 (isolation #18) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:35 pm

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Promoting this plan is anti-town.
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Post Post #88 (isolation #19) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:40 pm

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I think at this point Korina can be called confirmed Cultist, due not even knowing what Town Wincon have.

It's more question if she is CL, because lemoning Primes is useless.
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Post Post #89 (isolation #20) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:44 pm

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In post 87, RH9 wrote:
In post 86, Enchant wrote:Promoting this plan is anti-town.
Got that.
How about forcing all to claim if they get put to E-1 on D1. If they don't agree to consensus shot, look for associations and get rid of any potential cult-partners?
I give two statements, i actually don't understand why i need to keep explaining but ok.

First: Vengefuls should claim D1. No discuss. I actually think forcing Governor as well is not bad, but it's debating.
Second: Assuming we have only two Vengeful claims (exact amount we supposed to have), they are not only confirmed town if/before convert happens, but also they are Not Cult Leader for the end of the game. Because killing Cult Leader is instant win, there's literally
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Post Post #91 (isolation #21) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:02 pm

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In post 90, Bellaphant wrote:How much have you played cult, enchan?

I'd still like korina to answer about furtive.
On this site once.


Korina is confirmed Cultist at this point imo.
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Post Post #93 (isolation #22) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:25 pm

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In post 92, Bellaphant wrote:Why? It seems like korina plays cult a lot? Why wouldn't they just be...right?
Korina prepared to wiping out whole Cult, while any person receiving town PR knows that town wincon is wiping cult leader.

You of course openly can explain why Korina right and i am wrong. I waiting.
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Post Post #94 (isolation #23) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:25 pm

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Town PM* i meant.
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Post Post #96 (isolation #24) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:00 pm

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In post 95, Bellaphant wrote:? I know very little about this set up, that's what I'm saying - korinas whole thing seems to be that they do. I'm finding it weird that you think they are confirmed cult for adding their experience. Which is more than yours or mine.
I am not listening to person who doesh't even know town wincon.

You can do whatever.
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Post Post #99 (isolation #25) » Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:35 pm

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Interesting question, but i can't answer it obviously. Let's discuss it if it happens. But i assure you, it doesh't help Cult much to CC, so they can't break it.
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Post Post #111 (isolation #26) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:32 am

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In post 107, Nathann wrote:Does anyone (other than Korina) have thoughts on whether furtiveglance's is Townie or Scummy? It feels like a post I
should
have an opinion on, but I can't quite make it out.
I sense it's approach furtive taked for something, his previous posts confirms.
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Post Post #128 (isolation #27) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:18 am

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I actually remembered that i lied.

I played two games. Another was sucking bad designed abomination where cult won D2, which i wanted to forget. Now i remember this. Fuck.
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Post Post #133 (isolation #28) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:28 am

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In post 131, Korina wrote:also i’m gonna stop reading this game since i’m getting called cult for bullshit reasons.
Ok

Btw what god your cult cheer? Idk if i choosed names for gods it would be ZumBalo.

Culting for ZumBalo. Nice.


... Actually, you just come, not reading modpost, not reading your supposed town PM and start lecturing ppl in anti-town plan which is not gonna work.
If these reasons you was suspected are bullshit, can you explain why?
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Post Post #134 (isolation #29) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:29 am

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Everyone call scum CULT OF ZUMBALO.
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Post Post #137 (isolation #30) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:38 am

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In post 136, Nathann wrote:
In post 130, Korina wrote:how happy do you think someone would be to see that?
Happy? Not really. So angry they start rageposting and now claim they don't wanna play? Definitely not.
In post 133, Enchant wrote:... Actually, you just come, not reading modpost, not reading your supposed town PM and start lecturing ppl in anti-town plan which is not gonna work.
Where did they do this?

Well:
In post 70, Korina wrote:i'm not reading anything before this post btw unless it was super important. i read my role pm, and kinda clocked out of the game already coming into it and seeing three votes on me for what i can only assume is the same old joke of "haha look korina's in a cult game, what if they rolled cult this time!" when mind you, the only fucking time i rolled cult in a cult game, i instantly got wagoned and died.

so if you're voting me for that, fuck off, it's a shitty rvs reason, and a shitty fucking read to try to take.

i want all three who voted me dead in that particular order unless someone claims a tpr, in which case, i still want you dead, just not right now.
In post 72, Korina wrote:
In post 23, Beat wrote:That wouldnt be playing to a town win con Enchant

VOTE: Jacket

That said I think both vengeful townies should claim
this is a shitty take, and i don't know if town ever comes up with this take because it's so bad.

tprs retain abilities on convert.

they never claim unless e-1, in which case we decide who they should shoot and then kill them
In post 73, Korina wrote:if they're now cult vengeful, and they don't shoot who we said, that person is cult.
In post 76, Korina wrote:the more i think about it, and what i mean by think is talk to whichever alter is currently reading this alongside me - the more i realize that furtive is probably cultist, but still cult and should die regardless.
In post 83, Korina wrote:because if they refuse to kill who we said, we killed cult anyways, and vengefuls should be killed for double-elims anyways?
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Post Post #140 (isolation #31) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:46 am

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Korina claiming they did, but in said PM clearly stated that wincon is death of Cult Leader, which is perfectly ignored considering they suggest to kill Vengeful just for double kills.

Korina basically "hunts" for death of whole cult, where it's harmful to actually vote anyone, expect CL.
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Post Post #149 (isolation #32) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:47 am

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In post 141, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 34, Enchant wrote:Overall setup sucks. All PRs are basically Innocent Atheists.
Why sign up? This shit is really annoying just on a general level.
Mod asked to fill.
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Post Post #173 (isolation #33) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:48 am

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I actually considered this long enough for me, but i think it's time to put it simple.


I am Governor. Idk if i join ZumBalo fanatics afterwards, nor do i care. My power not so useful in perspective for cult, nor town, my persuative skills are pretty bad as well so i really can't help as convert, i think i live with simple confirmation that i am not CL. I will certanly need it late game, due my big miselim rate.


You can throw potatos now.
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Post Post #174 (isolation #34) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:49 am

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And yes, i EXPECT Vengefuls to claim as well today.
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Post Post #176 (isolation #35) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:54 am

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I am dead weight for 3 days and dead weight from 5 day and later.

I literally never worth it just because of role lol.
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Post Post #177 (isolation #36) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:58 am

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Either way, you can throw potatos, but done and can't be undone. Also i don't care, i have bodyguards to catch potatos.

Let's just say i think it will pay off.
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Post Post #179 (isolation #37) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:04 pm

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Vengeful is not asset. Whole premise of this role is reduce swing from town failing at killing mafia.

We never make this mistake if we know Vengeful in first place. They basically never miselimmed.


If Cult decided to reveal self just to CC vengefuls, well, okay? We will know that there's cult in Vengeful claims. Way better than having random murderhobos suddenly reveal self as Vengefuls.


... You think cult will not simple claim Vengefuls at E-1, just to protect self? Foolish. It's better to solve this now.
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Post Post #180 (isolation #38) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:05 pm

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Just in a case, i love guns. Really love. But getting killed on purpose as Vengeful is antitown. We don't need Vengeful abilities to shot. WE NEED CONFIRMS.
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Post Post #181 (isolation #39) » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:19 pm

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... really i am dissapointed.

You all really considering that hiding PR, sole useful purpose is ability to shot IF they mislimmed.

Literally bonkers. If you want miselim Vengefuls so much, why not do it at Day 1 as well then they claim, hm?
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Post Post #232 (isolation #40) » Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:07 pm

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Imo, look for guy who is widely townread, but not deserving it.

... No no, it's not about me. I am good.

Cult make everything to make their leader look good, even if giving cheap townreads always.
... That's kind of one reason why i claimed.
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Post Post #242 (isolation #41) » Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:11 pm

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Jacket 90% truth Vengeful. Idk why i measure in percentage, but i guess.

RH9/Nathann is 50/50


Now let's think, would Cult Leader plainly claim Vengeful and risk his ass FOR THE END of the game.
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Post Post #245 (isolation #42) » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:07 pm

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In post 244, Bellaphant wrote:I still think nathann is town.

So, our best strategy is to ignore the cc right now? As elim-ing a depury gives scum a recruit if we are wrong? I need someone to explain like im five.
If Prime Cultist dies by any means, Cult leader can convert someone.
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Post Post #249 (isolation #43) » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:51 pm

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In post 247, Beat wrote:There is also the route where we let cult recruit because then if we kill the recruit
:lol:

No, unless you want play mindgames with cult.
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Post Post #258 (isolation #44) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:10 am

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VOTE: Bellaphant

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Post Post #261 (isolation #45) » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:31 am

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In post 260, RH9 wrote:By the way, Venging a Cultist doesn't activate the recruiting ability, right?
It does.
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Post Post #361 (isolation #46) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:43 am

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In post 360, Titus wrote:I'm sorry I've fallen behind. I had a major setback with my PTSD. I'll post content tmo or late tonight.

If we have two claimed vengefuls, then we have two conftown to get reads around to see who pushed them. If we have more than two, the vengefuls are a great place to eliminate. If we guess wrong, the vengeful can shoot another claim and we use them to sort scum.
You know that it's unlikely that Cult Leader are among vengeful claimers right?
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Post Post #376 (isolation #47) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:34 am

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What a biglash from other cults who know their leader claimed Vengeful and not doing anything to push someone else.

It's not like it's smart thing to do yeah?...
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Post Post #378 (isolation #48) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:36 am

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Idk, we leaning to lim in Vengefuls for now.

If CL among them, what cult doing? They supposed to do something to not lose. Unless they lurkfucks, but i am not cultist.
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Post Post #379 (isolation #49) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:37 am

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Imo i think it means CL is not in Venges.
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Post Post #386 (isolation #50) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:59 am

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Cult NOT letting CL claim Vengeful unless they have sureway plan to avoid his death.
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Post Post #387 (isolation #51) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:59 am

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Unless they are notcompetent*
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Post Post #392 (isolation #52) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:41 am

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In post 391, Korina wrote:Killing a prime cultist is always good imo because it forces someone else to have to align with the cl, and act weirdly, so killing within vengefuls and getting the cultist out is good, because we have more people who are now aware of cl and have to maneuver weirdly to avoid cl.
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Korina wrote:
In post 359, Beat wrote:
In post 356, Korina wrote:I still think killing the vengefuls today are good, because it stops the double-lim from going to cult
???

Explain this
Cult recruits a vengeful
They kill a prime cultist
Enchant govern-kills the vengeful d4
Cult wins

Or since we know there’s a scum in the vengeful, we still get to direct where the venge-kill goes without it being a scum-venge
Or cult forces paranoia like "ENCHANT IS CONVERTED CULT LET'S ELIM JUST IN CASE" while not really converting me.
Or really converting me.
Or whatever.
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Post Post #393 (isolation #53) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:43 am

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Korina just say you want to be converted bruh.
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Post Post #405 (isolation #54) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 1:31 pm

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In post 400, Korina wrote:
In post 392, Enchant wrote:
In post 391, Korina wrote:Killing a prime cultist is always good imo because it forces someone else to have to align with the cl, and act weirdly, so killing within vengefuls and getting the cultist out is good, because we have more people who are now aware of cl and have to maneuver weirdly to avoid cl.
:yawn:
Korina wrote:
In post 359, Beat wrote:
In post 356, Korina wrote:I still think killing the vengefuls today are good, because it stops the double-lim from going to cult
???

Explain this
Cult recruits a vengeful
They kill a prime cultist
Enchant govern-kills the vengeful d4
Cult wins

Or since we know there’s a scum in the vengeful, we still get to direct where the venge-kill goes without it being a scum-venge
Or cult forces paranoia like "ENCHANT IS CONVERTED CULT LET'S ELIM JUST IN CASE" while not really converting me.
Or really converting me.
Or whatever.
Also killing outside of prime cultists is a waste regardless? Cult don’t get recruits from non-prime deaths
EXCUSE ME WHAT
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Post Post #409 (isolation #55) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:39 pm

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In post 406, Korina wrote:Killing cultists outside of the prime ones is a waste because they can’t recruit off of that death?
Wdm the fuck you mean waste, we need to kill CL no more no less.
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Post Post #411 (isolation #56) » Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:21 pm

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So instead of admitting of holes in your idea, you plainly trying to shut me up POLITELY. Just in case, i didn't even tried to shut you up and insult you. If your logic can't resist simple basic questions, then don't suggest, because badly thought ideas are worst.


And yes, there's big benefit in Not Killing Vengefuls, unless you somehow think there's CL, but it's not that.

Your answer also doesn't make sense. After one prime dies, i am in doubt forever, and i dislike idea where i am mislimmed because ppl say i am converted while i am not.
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Post Post #464 (isolation #57) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:35 am

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Actually Titus could be not wrong choice. But could we pile up for 5 hours?
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Post Post #465 (isolation #58) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:40 am

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Unless we No-Lim, Cult always designed to have no more than 3 members.


It means we can afford to 4 town deaths.
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Post Post #467 (isolation #59) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:05 am

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CULT.
CAN'T.
RECRUIT.
WITHOUT.
PRIME CULTS.
DEATH.
OR.
NO ELIM.

READ.
MOD.
POSTS.
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Post Post #481 (isolation #60) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:00 am

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hm
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Post Post #488 (isolation #61) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:12 am

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VOTE: Cat

Bleh.
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Post Post #492 (isolation #62) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:25 am

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I opened back.
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Post Post #508 (isolation #63) » Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:45 pm

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VOTE: Furtive
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Post Post #525 (isolation #64) » Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:09 am

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In post 523, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:VOTE: Jacket
I rightly understand, you voting Jacket not because person is scummy, but because your think cult will claim first?
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Post Post #527 (isolation #65) » Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:14 am

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Like, just look.

If my theory is right and CL not in Vengefuls, then our chances win game right now is 1/6, and chance to elim Cult are 2/6.

Yes, out of 6 ppls, 2 are for sure Cult and making sure we do wrong actions.
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Post Post #531 (isolation #66) » Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:57 am

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In post 528, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 526, Jacket wrote:Voting me is dumb. I wouldn't be claiming vengeful as cult, period.

VOTE: Bella

Might as well go back to this, I think the diversion away from her at the end of the day is pretty telling.
Why not?

Enchant, do you think we should go outside of claims?

I don't want to go all game without sorting the Jacket/Nathan thing.
Going after claims is mostly game losing decision. We lose whooping 1-3 townies just for sake of revealing one Prime. I repeat,
you will lose with happines you discovered one Prime Cultist
. That's your fucking goal?


On opposite, if CL hided among Vengefuls, then it's game winning decision. How likely it? Nah.
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Post Post #533 (isolation #67) » Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:07 am

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If about Cult in Vengefuls, likelyhood in probably Nathann>Jacket>Third i forgot name

About outside, i need more time.
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Post Post #547 (isolation #68) » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:18 am

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Korina wrote:Like, we have good odds of winning by just randomly killing someone each day and that’s just eh?
Basically yes.
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Post Post #557 (isolation #69) » Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:29 pm

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In post 555, Korina wrote:So why do I not contest Enchant as prime cultist?
Because revealing whooping two cultists is dumb.
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Post Post #596 (isolation #70) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:22 pm

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Actually i just thinked.

If you want to elim in vengeful claims, then i will accept it. Yeah. Like if you really do this and Prime flips then maybe i turn up converted and my winrate RAISES.
And if it's Leader then i win as town.

From this perspective yes, elimming in Vengefuls always benefiting.
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Post Post #598 (isolation #71) » Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:34 pm

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In post 597, Korina wrote:So you’re fine with killing vengefuls because you might be converted, and therefore are playing towards a wincon you do not have

Enchant, please tell me you are being sarcastic
I Have buried myself under too many layers of irony.

But yes, i am sarcastic.
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Post Post #629 (isolation #72) » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:09 pm

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Yep. They either convert me, or not convert me, knowing you will punch me anyway. Both these situations is bad for town. Did i mention i don't want Prime to die?


There's probably need to be rule forbidding "preparing" for culting, otherwise Governor have no incentive to NOT claim instantly (nevermind that vengefuls have zero utility expect for outing cultist or confirming self otherwise). Either winning as town fast, or winning as cult in long run, like anyone cares how to win.


Finding CL is hell. In my first game it was simple townreadbyeveryone who speak rarely.
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Post Post #631 (isolation #73) » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:29 pm

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In post 630, RH9 wrote:
In post 629, Enchant wrote:Finding CL is hell. In my first game it was simple townreadbyeveryone who speak rarely.
Can you expand on this a bit?
In first cult game i decided to "Hell out of it" and claimed my PR instantly, so no one will suspect i am Cult Leader for the end.


Everyone was pissed (lel), but my goal was pretty achieved. Cult didn't convert me before last night because they got other PR instead, but i was disbelieved for the end (with help of cult). Still improved our chances a bit.

Not me, not other town, not even cult mentioned CL for almost whole game, expect for brief "Yeah i think it's town makes sense". We just failed before Elo, and then jumped on first cultist who baited votes to allow CL winning convert. And then i was converted in a win, not because i am cool, just because i could prevent this convert and they wanted game ended ASAP without chance for me to ruin this. Yeah, cults are meh.


So anyway, if team is somewhat competent, CL is probably in list of townreads. But i don't know like what, we supposed to reverse reads or what. Titus smeells like Prime honestly, main accusation is low content, which is kinda NAI, this is suicide for CL.
Or i am plainly blind and can't play mafia. I guess it can't be helped.
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Post Post #634 (isolation #74) » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:01 pm

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Most annoyingly they could know that and make CL act as most scummiest person so we call it prime bait and not elim.

Mafia is hard.
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Post Post #636 (isolation #75) » Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:27 pm

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Exactly. What if.

Thankfully i am conftown and can just say it directly without being fastkilled for IQ of rock

They can, but it's like... I don't know, i considered every person and still have no idea.
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Post Post #703 (isolation #76) » Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:06 pm

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1/5 chance now.
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Post Post #705 (isolation #77) » Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:07 pm

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It's like walk in the casino, but you need to win only jackpots, otherwise you get robbed anyway
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Post Post #709 (isolation #78) » Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:13 pm

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Jacket/Nathann/RH9 are Venges.
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Post Post #730 (isolation #79) » Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:52 pm

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Eh. I am too aware that no-lim allows cult to convert and actually called it out... On first page?

Bah.
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Post Post #746 (isolation #80) » Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:53 pm

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If you want shot at vengeful claims, do it on elo when it doesn't matter if we hit townie or prime.
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Post Post #747 (isolation #81) » Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:55 pm

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Btw right now we dealing with two Jesters who want to be elimmed, but shouldn't and circus director who want to look like they want to be elimmed, but not really.

Personally i think Jacket is cult. Not CL though.
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Post Post #857 (isolation #82) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:06 pm

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You think CL is Jacket?

Well i see where it comes from, it's highly wined.
We can just yolo this to end torture. I think Jacket is Cult, i just doubt about CL. Well, it possible.
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Post Post #859 (isolation #83) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:23 pm

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Just in a case, Cult WANT for Vengeful die more than for Prime. For obvious reason.
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Post Post #860 (isolation #84) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:24 pm

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In post 858, Bellaphant wrote:Can you expand on your leader/puppet theory Enchant?
Exactly?
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Post Post #862 (isolation #85) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:38 pm

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In post 861, RH9 wrote:
In post 859, Enchant wrote:Just in a case, Cult WANT for Vengeful die more than for Prime. For obvious reason.
I see.
Also, by the way, can you announce who you want to lim D4?
So it can help us figure out in case they convert you.
If i am converted, i will always press "No Lim" or find excuse, so probably it will be easy. Claiming target at this point would be foolish, because i don't want give cult thoughts if i have right idea or not.
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Post Post #864 (isolation #86) » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:54 pm

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In post 863, RH9 wrote:
In post 862, Enchant wrote:
In post 861, RH9 wrote:
In post 859, Enchant wrote:Just in a case, Cult WANT for Vengeful die more than for Prime. For obvious reason.
I see.
Also, by the way, can you announce who you want to lim D4?
So it can help us figure out in case they convert you.
If i am converted, i will always press "No Lim" or find excuse, so probably it will be easy. Claiming target at this point would be foolish, because i don't want give cult thoughts if i have right idea or not.
I see.
Sorry about it.
Do you think Jacket is CL?
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Post Post #875 (isolation #87) » Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:12 am

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In post 874, Bellaphant wrote:Sorry, I'm thick, why do cult want venge to die more than prime?

Is it just body count?
Actually after considering it doesh't even matter.
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Post Post #889 (isolation #88) » Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:53 pm

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VOTE: Jacket

You know, fuck it.
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Post Post #891 (isolation #89) » Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:04 pm

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Imo governor claims in this setup should be object of policy elim.
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Post Post #893 (isolation #90) » Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:23 pm

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I did claim Governor, and from mech perspective i should have policed previous day. This role have brutal anti-town effect.

Just by simple logic if we elim prime or no-lim, Cult will want to convert me, because next day i will possess only weapon could possible kill CL. But by rules, i need to play to win, not play to win as town, being converted is not concern.

Therefore literally nothing prevents me just voting with Cult and forcing parity, where who wins is simple random coin flip.
Yeah, cults hard to balance around that.

I am not plan to do this though. Otherwise i wouldn't even pick this theme up.
Just telling about this flaw for future runs. It's not even fixable with rules forbidding traitoring before convert, due how hard it's to judge.


Either way, i am liability and last person you shall listen at this point, even if i am confirmed town. I simple benefit from pushing any cultist, not just CL.
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Post Post #902 (isolation #91) » Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 pm

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In post 900, RH9 wrote:
In post 899, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Is there anything you're specifically waiting for?
I worry that Jacket might instahammer like he did to Titus.
I want Jacket to answer my question first before he does that.
Why in the world.
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Post Post #909 (isolation #92) » Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:22 am

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If it helps, Beat is either CL or Town.

Can't be prime, cuz literally nothing prevents Second Cult+Selfvote and autowinning for already 1-2 days. It's assuming not both other cults already sit.
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Post Post #912 (isolation #93) » Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:20 am

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VOTE: Beat

Bah.
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Post Post #917 (isolation #94) » Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:24 am

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Thanks.
I will need it.
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Post Post #926 (isolation #95) » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:16 am

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Sadly, only role which have sense to hide is Governor, and that's only because Cult Prime can be elimmed too early, otherwise it's benefiting via reducing pool.

I can't think about any benefit of Vengefuls not claiming from start. They literally out Cult/confirm self at guarantee. It's simple... Setup made so. Idk how it was played, maybe i don't understand something, but fact is fact.


Don't worry, my previous cult game ended in fucking Cult win AT 2D, so it's definitaly not worst.
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Post Post #933 (isolation #96) » Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:32 pm

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Whew. This insanity lasted so long, i actually miscounted votes.
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Post Post #936 (isolation #97) » Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:16 pm

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*INFERNAL SCREAMING*
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Post Post #937 (isolation #98) » Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:17 pm

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In post 935, RH9 wrote:
In post 934, Bellaphant wrote:It's taken me this long to realise that governer is not the same as mayor in blood on the clock tower.
What does Mayor do?
Have chance to not die to demon attack, someone else dies instead.
If there's final 3 ppl, and Mayor alive forces No-Lim, town wins.
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Post Post #940 (isolation #99) » Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:27 pm

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Nah i simple (supposedly) wield elim on this day.

Any ideas about CL, folks?
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Post Post #946 (isolation #100) » Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:27 am

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In post 1, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote: 6. On day 4 the governor will decide the elimination if they are still alive, no-one else gets a vote. They do this by PMing the mod at any point during the day phase.
RULES LIE.

Either way, it's more easy via votes, but that's only because i am revealed. Whatever.
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Post Post #948 (isolation #101) » Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:41 am

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Thanks for confirming me as Governor!

Ok ok i stop.

Btw that's not rhytoric question about "Who is CL". I expect from everyone answer their suspects.
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Post Post #975 (isolation #102) » Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:00 pm

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Why you all was not fine previous day then.
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Post Post #985 (isolation #103) » Fri Jul 08, 2022 4:37 am

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In post 984, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:We couldn't afford to kill prime D3 because of Enchant convert. That won't matter after Today so we can take the risk now
You know that's right now 8 alive so if i elim Prime we instalose now, but if i kill town, then there's another 5 day?

Like wtf
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Post Post #988 (isolation #104) » Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:41 am

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In post 987, Bellaphant wrote:I thought it was how bbt said. We are in a better position today then yesterday
bruh ok
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Post Post #995 (isolation #105) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:43 am

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Should i just yolo at this point.
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Post Post #1014 (isolation #106) » Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:06 am

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Aye i think i am ready for decision.

Obviously can be wrong, but i am not sure about anything.
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Post Post #1027 (isolation #107) » Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:45 am

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I made it in PM.
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Post Post #1028 (isolation #108) » Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:46 am

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Waiting mod.
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Post Post #1032 (isolation #109) » Sun Jul 10, 2022 1:04 pm

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Whatever.

Now we are in Elo.
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Post Post #1035 (isolation #110) » Sun Jul 10, 2022 1:14 pm

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In post 1033, furtiveglance wrote:I didn't expect that flip.
Cult is hard okay?
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Post Post #1039 (isolation #111) » Sun Jul 10, 2022 1:31 pm

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Nah
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Post Post #1041 (isolation #112) » Sun Jul 10, 2022 1:40 pm

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Steamed Hams
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Post Post #1044 (isolation #113) » Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:46 pm

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Argueing with claimed cultist is meme.
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #114) » Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:16 am

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Yeah it looks like Bella is CL.

Hm...
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Post Post #1114 (isolation #115) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 12:36 am

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What point of unvoting?
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Post Post #1119 (isolation #116) » Tue Jul 12, 2022 12:45 am

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Well, if we are wrong, we are wrong.

I asking no one else to cast votes though.
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #117) » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:10 am

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So CL is voted.

Just need to think which one for exact...
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Post Post #1151 (isolation #118) » Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:21 am

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It's basically dice roll.
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Post Post #1153 (isolation #119) » Thu Jul 14, 2022 4:11 am

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Mafia is hard.

BBT would Fultive be CL on your opinion?
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Post Post #1162 (isolation #120) » Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:31 pm

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I think i vote Bella soon.
If we lose, we lose.
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Post Post #1165 (isolation #121) » Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:04 pm

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In post 1163, RH9 wrote:
In post 1162, Enchant wrote:I think i vote Bella soon.
If we lose, we lose.
But that'll only put her on E-2.
Unless she's a Prime and the other Cult hop onto the wagon, then we can't possibly lose with your vote.
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EXACTLY?

Because one townie voting on prime/townie is lose, because cult will quickhammer.
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Post Post #1172 (isolation #122) » Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:14 am

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VOTE: Bella

Alright fuck, if this flips town, then we was terrible, if CL is somehow in vengeful claims, I FUCKING DOOMED US I AM SORRY YOU HEAR ME I AM SORRY!

... Believed? Haha votes goes boom boom i don't give a shit.
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Post Post #1175 (isolation #123) » Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:20 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1176 (isolation #124) » Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:21 am

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Furtive, can you sit here for a bit? Thanks.
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #125) » Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:32 am

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Just remember.
If Furtive is Town AND Voted Jacket-Prime...

...Jacket would be quickhammered long ago...? It's not really confirmed though as it could be that cult didn't organise.


There's something more. I feel it.
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Post Post #1179 (isolation #126) » Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:37 am

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It will be painful but.

... It's BBT?
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Post Post #1182 (isolation #127) » Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:50 am

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Why cult would vote CL in this situation though.
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Post Post #1188 (isolation #128) » Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:00 am

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RH9, Nathann.

Need to discuss, what you think?
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Post Post #1193 (isolation #129) » Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:21 am

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Literal bruh
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Post Post #1196 (isolation #130) » Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:26 am

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In post 1195, furtiveglance wrote:What shall we talk about Enchant?
Why you betrayed so awesome Governor-Enchant for ZUMBALO.
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #131) » Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:29 am

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Deconvert pls.
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Post Post #1199 (isolation #132) » Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:29 am

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Alright and how we deduce who from these fuckers are actual CL.

Literally unplayable.
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Post Post #1200 (isolation #133) » Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:31 am

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Furtive is pretty cool scum player, i was his teammate in one game.

Could furtive-prime delibately put CL on E-1?
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Post Post #1203 (isolation #134) » Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:34 am

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You broke my heart
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Post Post #1206 (isolation #135) » Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:36 am

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Bastard Mod, 3 Governors in one game.
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Post Post #1228 (isolation #136) » Sat Jul 16, 2022 7:35 am

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Fine.

I letting Nathann choose this time, i already made my choice and i *think* it's wrong. If Nathann decides to vote Bella, well, okay i vote.
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Post Post #1233 (isolation #137) » Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:40 am

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In post 1229, Nathann wrote:I do think it's Bella, but I don't like responsibility, though. Why do you think it's BBT?
I am paranoid.

I also don't like responsibility. Bruh.
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Post Post #1236 (isolation #138) » Sat Jul 16, 2022 9:05 am

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I am ready vote Bella fine.
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Post Post #1240 (isolation #139) » Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:08 pm

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VOTE: Bella

If we lose, we lose.

I don't care at this point.
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Post Post #1250 (isolation #140) » Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:06 pm

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RH9 why the fuck, Bella had 9 days.
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Post Post #1254 (isolation #141) » Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:42 am

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GG i was scum.
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Post Post #1270 (isolation #142) » Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:06 pm

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Whew.

We pulled it somehow.

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