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[Gamma Emerald]

boop

[Alianna]

1.17

Votecount 1.17

Enchant (E-2): Hiraki, Lucian, Cat Scratch Fever, BlueBloodedToffee, Malakittens
BlueBloodedToffee (3): Infinity 324, froggodoggo, furtiveglance
Malakittens (1): Enchant
Hiraki (1): Klick
furtiveglance (1): Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (2): Dunnstral, Aisa

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2022-07-24 18:36:43).

[Alianna]

boop

How dare you.

[Infinity 324]

gamma why do you like csf?

furtive feels towny to me tbh. i'm still not sure why he pushes BBT there so hard as scum.

not really into the enchant lim, the "think before i vote" thing is kinda meaningless to me and limming a contentless slot on d1 doesn't seem great. i'll vote there at deadline obviously though

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma why do you like csf?

furtive feels towny to me tbh. i'm still not sure why he pushes BBT there so hard as scum.

not really into the enchant lim, the "think before i vote" thing is kinda meaningless to me and limming a contentless slot on d1 doesn't seem great. i'll vote there at deadline obviously though

interactions around Aisa and also ig Enchant
I feel like she's actually trying to follow up on recent meta to form her reads in this game
ig it could be faked but idk how much effort CSF!scum puts into fake town thought process as scum, I would wager rather little given in Terminator she got yeeted mostly because after getting UTR by bussing Koba, she just kinda sat around while the rest of the group tried to solve the rest of the game

[Aisa]

I have awoken from my slumber. I was tossing and turning all night, fever nightmares of unexpected town flips and scum claiming PR and living forever.

Anyway, the only votes I like on this here Votecount 1.13 are on CSF and

Malakittens

.

I'm going to bed now. Hiraki/Me/Lucian/Aisa/Froggo are the towncore, Dunnstral/Enchant/Infinity/Klick/

Malakittens have done enough for a temporary townpass

, BBT/CSF/GE contains the motherload of Impostors.

Hmm?
For the record the only Mala post between these two posts is

I have a bunch of exams and hw due this week all scattered so I’m focusing on that sorry guys

Could you explain this furtive?

[furtiveglance]

you could start by actually backing up your SR on me, all I remember is vague BS tying me to CSF

How well evidenced does it really need to be? All you said on me was that I was 'dry' and 'a dead fish'. You didn't have a read on CSF for a while, then you townread them and I scumread them so that's one reason. Apart from that, it's just that I've seen scum play like you're playing, and I don't like your reads at all.

[furtiveglance]

I have awoken from my slumber. I was tossing and turning all night, fever nightmares of unexpected town flips and scum claiming PR and living forever.

Anyway, the only votes I like on this here Votecount 1.13 are on CSF and

Malakittens

.

I'm going to bed now. Hiraki/Me/Lucian/Aisa/Froggo are the towncore, Dunnstral/Enchant/Infinity/Klick/

Malakittens have done enough for a temporary townpass

, BBT/CSF/GE contains the motherload of Impostors.

Hmm?
For the record the only Mala post between these two posts is

I have a bunch of exams and hw due this week all scattered so I’m focusing on that sorry guys

Could you explain this furtive?

I explained that in 604. Mala hadn't seemed as scummy as other players.

[Gamma Emerald]

you could start by actually backing up your SR on me, all I remember is vague BS tying me to CSF

How well evidenced does it really need to be? All you said on me was that I was 'dry' and 'a dead fish'. You didn't have a read on CSF for a while, then you townread them and I scumread them so that's one reason. Apart from that, it's just that I've seen scum play like you're playing, and I don't like your reads at all.

so to break this down

• OMGUS
  
• disagreement on reads
  
• vague platitutde about how scum play
  
• disagreement on reads again

[Aisa]

Thanks furtive, my bad.

[furtiveglance]

you could start by actually backing up your SR on me, all I remember is vague BS tying me to CSF

How well evidenced does it really need to be? All you said on me was that I was 'dry' and 'a dead fish'. You didn't have a read on CSF for a while, then you townread them and I scumread them so that's one reason. Apart from that, it's just that I've seen scum play like you're playing, and I don't like your reads at all.

so to break this down

• OMGUS
  
• disagreement on reads
  
• vague platitutde about how scum play
  
• disagreement on reads again

The first part isn't omgus, I'm just pointing out hypocrisy when you called my scumread on you 'BS' even though your reasoning for your own scumread on me is next to non-existent. Disagreement on reads is something I consider alignment indicative, I didn't realise that was a foreign concept. As for the 'vague platitude', you're not ruffling any feathers apart from mine and Enchant's. Enchant was already the consensus scumread, and there's an appetite to push me as well from several players so both of your scumreads are quite safe.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Aisa, do you have further thoughts on where your vote may land?

[Dunnstral]

Is Aisa claiming that they have a pt where they post reaction images but nobody else is in it?

Yeah like a notes or personal PT. Where were you going with this questioning?

It doesn't make sense to me

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Oh, you meant you find it hard to believe someone would post reaction gifs in a personal PT?

[Dunnstral]

It strikes me as odd, yes

[Dunnstral]

I liked what BBT was pushing before they backed off.

VOTE: Malakittens

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Errr is that first sentence related to the Mala vote?

[Gamma Emerald]

It strikes me as odd, yes

how?????

[Dunnstral]

Errr is that first sentence related to the Mala vote?

No

It strikes me as odd, yes

how?????

Because it is odd.

[Aisa]

Hello everyone welcome to my quote wall. Make yourselves comfortable

Spoiler: quote

507 is particularly scummy from Furtive.

He states that I have 'declined' to comment on Enchant and CSF wagons. Firstly, I wasn't asked about them at that point so to use the word 'decline' is a misrep. I was simply focused elsewhere at the same and it's that simple.

He also says I haven't commented on the CSF wagon - it had 2 votes when I had caught up? Like, what?

I didn't say that people asked you to comment. I expect people to engage with the leading wagons, that's basic gameplay. CSF had 4 at one point.

Would you expect Enchant to engage with the leading wagons? If you wouldn't that shows people have different playstyles and may not always feel the need to engage with the leading wagons?

Spoiler: quote

VOTE: furtiveglance
the more I think about his responses to me the more his play feels like a dead fish

Maybe not. This is a good vote on Furtive.

I also said this early on in my catch up, so I have clearly disliked Furtive's play from the early game. I only looked into his progression on me as it became more and more obvious that a) a potential BBT wagon was coming and b) Furtive was looking mighty opportunistic.

To call me opportunistic is laughable. What's opportunistic is silently sheeping the conftown on Enchant, which you've still never acknowledged or explained. I've led counter wagons to the confirmed's vote twice, because that's how confident I am in my scumreads. I know how I look if Enchant flips scum, or if you flip town. That's a risk. That's the opposite of opportunistic play.

Leaning into the WIFOM heavily eh?

Spoiler: quote

Cool.

Well, I tell you what. I'm happy to be the elim Today if you're the elim on D2 on my green flip? How about that? Because I can't be assed with the effort of defending myself in yet another fucking game.

For anyone confusing this for towntelling, don't worry.

Town doesn't just shut down and go "I flip town, wanna bet?" when they have no more points to make. "Idc just vote me" is not a towntell. Swearing is not a towntell.

I actually don't find the quoted post from BBT particularly towny. Like, everything else in their interaction is what I found towny. This strikes me as possibly the type of post scum might misjudge as seeming very towny?

Spoiler: quote

I really like CSF's 582.

I looked at Terminator. From what I gathered, Enchant replaced into a hame, and within half an hour hammered a choice in that phase (after voting a different person for seemingly no reason too).

When asked why he hammered, this was his response:

I'd consider enchant.

Enchant, why did you hammer me for leader instead of hectic? We were both at e-1

Idk i saw message "if you heal CSF day will end", i didn't really look votecounts.

Compared to that, this line here:

Need to think before i vote.

feels like a blatant lie.

Yeah, this is quite convincing. My reason for chainsawing for Enchant was less that I townleaned them for their ISO, but more that I scumread other people more and considered some Enchant voters (e.g. BBT) to be voting the easy wagon.

Enchant is always hard to read.

Convenient how this read on Ench changed just as:
- The BBT wagon lost a little steam
- More pressure built on furtive
- Enchant has a lot of votes on them and we're at end of day
(Though if furtive is scum it's interesting to consider what alignment Enchant is)

Spoiler: quote

I've basically given my thoughts on this day 1, and have nothing else to say.

This doesn't feel like a towny thing to say. Now, I haven't been the best at following people's read progression and remembering every single post people have made this game, sooo I could be wrong. But as far as I remember, furtive hasn't really substantiated their CSF read much beyond "it's a sus from deep inside me, a caveman sus". I think that town in furtive's position has plenty of things they can still do. furtive's made a lot of statements like "X is sus" but done comparatively little to actually get votes on their scumreads.

Spoiler: quote

Is there something you want to ask me? What input are you missing from me? I've given my thoughts on the gamestate, each individual player, pairings, claiming, strategy.......

you could start by actually backing up your SR on me, all I remember is vague BS tying me to CSF

How well evidenced does it really need to be? All you said on me was that I was 'dry' and 'a dead fish'. You didn't have a read on CSF for a while, then you townread them and I scumread them so that's one reason. Apart from that, it's just that I've seen scum play like you're playing, and I don't like your reads at all.

First post: "I've said everything I could possibly say. What input are you missing?"
Gamma: "You haven't backed up your SR on me"
Second post: "I don't have much evidence but don't believe I need to provide the evidence"
This reads to me like furtive doesn't actually have a consistent internal process

[Dunnstral]

Creating reaction images and posting them to a pt you only have access to is not the same thing as taking notes, and I think it is disingenuous to compare the two. I know why somebody would take notes - it can help them sort through the game, maybe help them notice things they haven't noticed before. It's a tool to aid them. Reaction images? They didn't just save this to their computer, they uploaded it to imgur or a similar image hosting site and then pasted it into their pt. That's what doesn't make sense to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Errr is that first sentence related to the Mala vote?

No

It strikes me as odd, yes

how?????

Because it is odd.

what's odd is your lack of ability to accept that someone would shitpost in a thread on they are posting in

[Aisa]

Aisa, do you have further thoughts on where your vote may land?

See my previous post

VOTE: furtiveglance

I don't mind Enchant either, but Infinity's post about eliminating Enchant not giving much information is hitting me right in the feels

[Dunnstral]

what's odd is your lack of ability to accept that someone would shitpost in a thread on they are posting in

That's not what I said

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm pretty sure I've posted memes in a notes PT before
plus; that meme is technically notes as it's a part of Aisa's thought process
stop being a boomer