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[catboi]

Vote Count 4.03

fireisredsir (1):

Enchant

implosion (1):

Datisi

Datisi (1):

hutmeil

Not Voting (4):

fireisredsir, implosion, Save The Dragons, Something_Smart

With 7 alive, it's 4 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 4 is August 2 at 2:00 PM EST.

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[Enchant]

Idk

Like i see, nothing fundamentally changed, i want to say something, but can't even say something not "Fire is still alive?"

Like eh... That's for whole day.

Either way, ask me something, i am bad at socialising.

[fireisredsir]

ok idk what to do tbh so im gonna try rereading ig

maybe something from the early game will be eye-opening

[implosion]

yeah i'm not really sure what i want to do right now either. the game state is... weird.

[Datisi]

But at the same time I don't really know how I feel about either implosion or datisi.

okay, what is giving you conflicting thoughts about the two of us and how can i help you read me

[Datisi]

the day's been going on for like 4 irl days and i feel like we're at the exact same spot we were when it first started

i feel like we're gonna be lazing around until the deadline forces us to scramble, but i don't know what to do to actually revive this gamestate

i guess it would help if the 4 non-voting people actually... voted?

[Datisi]

@hutmeil, why are you still voting me? you seem to now agree that me not dying doesn't make me more likely to be scum, and that my thoughts on bussing being likely make sense. those are the two reasons you originally cited when voting me. are you scumreading me for something else? are you townreading everyone else? if yes to either, why?

[Something_Smart]

i feel like we're gonna be lazing around until the deadline forces us to scramble

I will become fully free with a little more than a day left in the deadline, unfortunately.

Gonna reread Ari at some point to see who would have wanted her dead.

[fireisredsir]

the day's been going on for like 4 irl days and i feel like we're at the exact same spot we were when it first started

not exactly the same, enchant is town now

which is p huge actually

[catboi]

Vote Count 4.04

fireisredsir (1):

Enchant

implosion (1):

Datisi

Datisi (1):

hutmeil

Not Voting (4):

fireisredsir, implosion, Save The Dragons, Something_Smart

With 7 alive, it's 4 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 4 is August 2 at 2:00 PM EST.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-08-02 14:00:00)

[fireisredsir]

lmao nice vc

ok ok fine

VOTE: datisi

i think its probably just datisi by process of elimination and i don't think im ending up anywhere else today unless something drastic changes my mind

i kind of hate this bc i don't feel that strongly about it but i really cannot see any other possible world that makes sense to me

[Enchant]

the day's been going on for like 4 irl days and i feel like we're at the exact same spot we were when it first started

not exactly the same, enchant is town now

which is p huge actually

Why i am town for you?
I kinda trying to kill you.

[fireisredsir]

i think your 2720 was very good at showing a town mindset and i would be really impressed if you faked that as scum, but beyond that, it's not really something i would even think that you would attempt to fake as scum

you trying to kill me doesn't really impact my read on you. i think your reasoning mostly makes sense if you're town

[fireisredsir]

i also agree with your gamestate read with the exception of swapping me and datisi which is probably a good sign

[fireisredsir]

i guess that isn't that meaningful since there isn't a lot of other options

[Datisi]

well that's disheartening

it kinda sucks being voted by hut and fire bc i think they're both town, which makes me feel like i am going to Just Die here

[Datisi]

i kind of hate this bc i don't feel that strongly about it but i really cannot see any other possible world that makes sense to me

can you talk a little bit about which other worlds have you discarded / how you came to this conclusion?

[hutmeil]

and that my thoughts on bussing being likely make sense

Who do you think bussed? If you and I are town, who bussed? That only leaves implo and STD.

If I were to choose, I guess I'll choose STD since (1) he's originally Vulture who suggested the Mason reveal early, (2) too convenient lurking (though has rl valid reason...).

From your previous games, how many scums bussed on D1? Or rather, what is the optimal number of scums to bus?

[fireisredsir]

i kind of hate this bc i don't feel that strongly about it but i really cannot see any other possible world that makes sense to me

can you talk a little bit about which other worlds have you discarded / how you came to this conclusion?

ok

i think enchant is town. enchant has claimed VT

i think you're not a mason, so you're either VT or mafia

remaining four of std/implo/ss/hut has 2 masons, 1 mafia, and either 1 VT or another mafia. if i can find 1 VT in that group, then it makes you mafia, regardless of who the masons are

idk if i really want to go too much into who can and can't be masons with whom

but imo none of the possibilities that include there being 2 mafia in that group quite make sense to me

and i kinda think the only thing that can really change my mind atp is a flip or a mason claim, and we have to flip someone anyway so we might as well just do that and hopefully im right.

maybe im leaning too much on looking at associatives in a game where people are heavily incentivized to care about having good-looking associatives but idk im struggling to think about things in any other way

[fireisredsir]

also like... if you think me and hut are town. and you think enchant is town. then... idk really what you're doing rn??

like i don't get it

both in terms of where your solve is currently at and also just the vibes that im feeling from you

theres this kind of frustrated cramped vibe that i feel from enchant, the like... ok i have all of these ideas about who the masons can be and that is heavily informing who i think the mafia could be but i can't really call that out specifically and it makes it hard to push who i want to push etc etc etc. andante had it too and i feel bad that i didn't recognize it then as towny

and anyway i 100% really vibe with that and feel those same feelings and that's part of why i connect with enchant being town

I don't feel that at all from you

it seems like if you're town then your head should be spinning with all the possibilities and the inability to express all of your thoughts and you'd probably have endless theorizing in your notes and i just don't really feel any hint of any of that

if there's any frustration from you it feels like due to the lack of action that people are taking or people's reads on you and not due to the awkwardness that comes with being a VT in this current gamestate

[catboi]

Prodding Save The Dragons.

[implosion]

I want to just vote Datisi but will wait because that would put him in Enchant range.

I generally like, just agree with what fire is saying. And I also kind of just think Enchant+fire is town, tbh. The way fire played yesterday just seems really hard to maintain as scum. And he's continuing to maintain it today.

[fireisredsir]

fwiw i don't think it really would be that difficult for me to fake

but idk why that would be my first choice of approach here

[fireisredsir]

ig im not really sure what datisi's plan is here as scum

like it doesn't really feel like he's trying to secure a miselim on anybody

maybe his plan is to look like he has no plan. or he understands that he's going to die and is just hoping his partner can clutch it out

bc i also don't really get what he's doing if he's town here either

[Datisi]

a while ago, there was a game where i was town, and thought i saw a pair of two masons. because they seemed really aligned, but not in a super obvious way, and one of them was softing something, so i was like, yep masons, i'm gonna townread them, because they were under a bit of heat. then we flipped a town power role. it dawned on me that there was no room for masons in that game. i died that night, because one of the "masons" correctly realized that i am the only person in that game who will understand the soft. the mafia ended up sweeping that game, with some townies citing "datisi was townreading these people!!" as a reason to townread the scum.

after that game, i realized that i cannot tell masons and mafia apart. so my plan this game has been to completely ignore the fact the masonry exists. if we out masons in the process, shit happens. i'm not gonna mask my thought process because that has about as much chance to backfire as it has to actually work in our favour.

i feel like "idk what you're doing" is ??? because i have already said who i suspect. i have explained why i think implo is scum, in posts that have pretty much gone ignored. townies aren't speaking, either because they don't care or because "oh no the masons". i can't function in a game where people are trying to big brain hush hush. i also still think s_s is scummy but fuck if i can do anything there because he's v/la, and even when he is here he's using the "oh no the masons" excuse to not give content.

it's just annoying because i feel like *i'm trying* and i'm getting ignored because everyone has it in their head that we can't talk about anything because masons. or people striaght up don't care about this game. either way, it's making me not care too.