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[redcardinal]

Also not that it really changes my read on you, but curious tho why aren’t you even remotely concerned or sus of me buddying the crap out of you?

Well during D1 I was just glad to have the vote, and atp Galron’s wack beetlejuicing accusation feels like good reason to TR you.

these are not masons

[redcardinal]

you tried to breadcrumb it with the "throw mafia off the scent we are mason buddies" post but as far as I can see gamma never breadcrumbed you

[redcardinal]

hang on a second are you joking? I don't think there's a normal role that can make a mason appear as a vt when they die

[redcardinal]

well that's embarrassing VOTE: Haschel

[redcardinal]

I think they didn't lim kt because they thought either kt or I would make good mislims today. scum is in haschel/mala/klick/schadd imo, in that order

[redcardinal]

haschel is my vote for a lot of reasons right now

[redcardinal]

schadd has some similar issues

[redcardinal]

schadd's partial clear with the kt block is solid at this point imo

[redcardinal]

so I haschel over schadd. mala coming at me at the beginning of today is suspicious as hell, but in light of the mason claim being a joke, not as confirmingly scummy as I thought at first. I'm interested in hearing from klick and to find out whoever kt blocked last night.

[redcardinal]

Stupidest decision in my life.

... Okay, second worst decision in my life.

someone else would have hammered, at least you semi-cleared yourself

[redcardinal]

If I was scum I would've known about what prs were in the mafia and wouldn't have responded like that. Unless you think I'm capable of faking the reaction, in which case you'd have to have a pretty high opinion of my ability to trick you, which I do not believe that you genuinely do. unvote or be scum simple as

[redcardinal]

If I was scum I would've known about what prs were in the mafia and wouldn't have responded like that. Unless you think I'm capable of faking the reaction, in which case you'd have to have a pretty high opinion of my ability to trick you, which I do not believe that you genuinely do. unvote or be scum simple as

What specific reaction are you talking about?

my response to the joke about masons

[redcardinal]

Alright I'm all caught up

Here's where I'm currently at on people individually:

TOWN
Klick
Seanzie
Malakittens
T3

???
Enchant
KittyTacky
schadd_
Haschel

Likely Scum
redcardinal

I feel slightly worse about Haschel than I do about the other null players. However, the theory currently running around in my head is redcardinal/schadd_:

Votecount 2.7

Eiralox (3)

- schadd_, Klick, T3

Klick (2)

- Haschel Cedricson, redcardinal

schadd_ (2)

- Gamma Emerald, Malakittens

KittyTacky (1)

- Seanzie

redcardinal (1)

- Enchant

Not Voting (2)

- Eiralox, KittyTacky

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to decide an elimination. Deadline is in (expired on 2022-08-08 12:11:33).

Mod notes

Please let me know if you notice any errors!

redcardinal's push on my slot came as the Eiralox wagon picked up steam, and the way rc pushed the vote on me felt motivated. I feel like pushing me at the time rc did is pretty poor optically, unless she's trying to achieve something. And the something I think she was trying to achieve was pulling potential pressure away from a schadd_ wagon.

I can expand more on this later but work now.
VOTE: redcardinal

if schadd and I are scum, kt is town which means you're scumreading the two people with partial clears from a roleblocker, meaning kt would have had to hit a 50/50 miss twice in a row for us both to be scum.

[redcardinal]

wait just a second didn't eiralox also cop schadd n1?
wait I think I have a game solve here VOTE: Klick

[redcardinal]

my PoE was schadd, haschel, klick, and mala. just did a dive on them and klick/mala and haschel/schadd were the potential scumteams I could think of. THEN I REMEMBERED eiralox copped schadd n1! I think it's very possible mafia has prs to compensate for rolecop + roleblocker but I think this is a solve, klick/mala is game

[redcardinal]

eiralox returning vanilla on schadd is a further indicator that schadd is town bc mafia likely have prs beyond just an informed

[redcardinal]

Like the way I see 1380 right now is that you’re saying that scum!you would have known scum!Mala wasn’t mason?

scum!me would have known that there were no mafia prs that could have made gamma show up as vanilla

[redcardinal]

so I would have understood it was a joke immediately

[redcardinal]

plus they both come after me today after a kill frames the fuck out of me? yeah this is it yall

[redcardinal]

mala comes in with the weird shade on enchant in 1379 and klick expresses some doubt about haschel in the vote on me just in case things go wrong and they need to switch off me

[redcardinal]

I was assuming mala was trying to claim there was some kind of mafia pr role that vanillized her mason partner, i.e. "why did you shoot my partner and why didn't they show up as mason" bc I took that accusation seriously I cannot be mafia bc if I were mafia I would have known the accusation was impossible

[redcardinal]

if I were mafia then my assumption would be that mala was telling the truth about the mason claim, so I would have thought of the idea that there might be a town pr or a thing with mala's role that could have caused it instead, bc I would know for sure there wasn't a mafia pr reason

[redcardinal]

eiralox returning vanilla on schadd is a further indicator that schadd is town bc mafia likely have prs beyond just an informed

We only know of the existence of one town PR. You’re treating KT as if he is guaranteed town.

yeah

[redcardinal]

Assuming that KT is town, we still don’t know what other PR’s are in the setup. There could be some other super powerful roles, or there could be just some weak roles.

A Town Rolecop and a Town Roleblocker are quite weak, I don’t think that Mafia would have much compensation for them, if any.

I don’t think I’ve explained this well, my thought process feels convoluted.

no it makes sense to me. just know town has a lot of prs, maf likely has compensation

[redcardinal]

Oh my god it was a joke

Holy ducking hell

Lmafo

I can’t lol

I’m rolling dying rn

But RC is prob town

UNVOTE: RC

T3 is still town imo
KT as well
Schadd is prob town as well

So I’m ok with a pool of {enchant & the rest tbh I forgot the names and I’m too lazy to go look them up

how do you feel about klick

[redcardinal]

a requestion!! perchance

[redcardinal]

why enchant? you mentioned you didn't think enchant or klick kill gamma here, what changed? very curious bc enchant seems like what mala wants to pivot to as well

[redcardinal]

why enchant? you mentioned you didn't think enchant or klick kill gamma here, what changed? very curious bc enchant seems like what mala wants to pivot to as well

[redcardinal]

I can see how someone would think it could be faked but yeah, my initial impression was the hammer yesterday seemed hesitant in a towny kind of way

[redcardinal]

I can see how someone would think it could be faked but yeah, my initial impression was the hammer yesterday seemed hesitant in a towny kind of way

I didn’t get that impression at all. Either way, I don’t know if I want to vote Enchant today.

hey, that's fine. I'm not completely sure about enchant being town either. but given mala's shade there today and the way I'm interpreting that right now I'm *very* hesitant to go after enchant today. Voting me wouldn't get you anywhere, trust me. I recommend klick or haschel if you scumread either of them.

[redcardinal]

yeah that's about how I expected hasch to respond town or scum, makes me feel more solid in the poe here

[redcardinal]

What doesn’t sit right is KT sheeting redcardinal

kt and I are on the same page today

[redcardinal]

i think im gonna proceed by pretending and/or believing that there's a shot at kitty being a wolf and thus i will continue to not mind him being obliged to like respond to questions and what have you

there is no shot at kt being a wolf

[redcardinal]

ditto seanzie's take on enchant as well, though I think the true feelings thing is nai for schadd

[redcardinal]

schadd/hasche do kinda be circling like sharks though.

[redcardinal]

I believe haschel, seanzie, and kt are all telling the truth

[redcardinal]

in any case, voting in that bunch is the worst decision we can make today. t3 please vote klick

[redcardinal]

if klick is scum block mala, if klick is town block one of schadd/haschel but don't tell us which

[redcardinal]

if you give kitty a pool of two people, unless thats literally the team they just have the person not on the list do the kill

I 100% believe that if if klick is town you and hasche are the scumteam

[redcardinal]

okay like, I'm not actually that sure but I'm pretty sure klick is scum anyways

[redcardinal]

if you give kitty a pool of two people, unless thats literally the team they just have the person not on the list do the kill

I 100% believe that if if klick is town you and hasche are the scumteam

What about if Klick is scum? Who do you think is his partner?

mala

[redcardinal]

double naked vote hammer? wtf.

Mala, Enchant, both of you please explain your thoughts right now.

not a hammer

[redcardinal]

I do want to hear from mala and enchant on this though, as much as I'd like you to hammer this seanzie

[redcardinal]

actually I think I want mala next regardless of how klick flips. schadd is vanilla and cleared by kt, cool- I believeish haschel enough to think that if schadd is maf it's really weird that it didn't submit the kill when kt roleblocked, bc if hasche is telling the truth there's got to be a mafia pr out there and it isn't schadd.

[redcardinal]

or enchant maybe tbh at this point

[redcardinal]

mala could still be a strongarm and I don't completely discount that possibility but I do think under these circumstances enchant is the way to go today > mala

[redcardinal]

mala could still be a strongarm and I don't completely discount that possibility but I do think under these circumstances enchant is the way to go today > mala

especially

because mala knew they would be the target today I really don't feel comfortable clearing them entirely

[redcardinal]

VOTE: enchant

[redcardinal]

gonna have to disagree with seanzie here my poe is enchant -> hasche -> mala

[redcardinal]

last scum being a strongarm also explains why kt was left alive for a day

[redcardinal]

can i guess what your role is before you do your reveal :^)

Sure, but I'd rather you guess after everyone's checked in, given initial thoughts.

oh can I guess too?

[redcardinal]

gonna have to disagree with seanzie here my poe is enchant -> hasche -> mala

Why do you townread me?

consistent, good analysis all game that I've generally agreed with coupled with natural voting &&& I find it a p big stretch pairing you with either of the dead scum.

[redcardinal]

and I'm not gonna lie but vibes. Like dude if you're fooling me you're doing a good enough job

[redcardinal]

Kill redcordinal next and i will selfvote

lol not happening

[redcardinal]

Also not healing roleblocker, when last mafia alive is Red Flag or major incompetence.

So yeah, redcordinal>hascel.

haschel claimed odd night doc, so either didn't have the shot last night, incompetence, or yeah potentially scum

[redcardinal]

kinda convinced on the haschel's role being useless on purpose argument but I still want enchant first. p sure scum is in one or the other

[redcardinal]

would be happy with either tbh

[redcardinal]

yeah but like if you're scum you're desperate anyways at this point

[redcardinal]

more likely than t3, schadd, seanzie, or myself being scum yeah

[redcardinal]

ooh ooh I know this one! neighborizer :3

[redcardinal]

saw everything everywhere all at once the other day, was probably one of my favorite movies I've ever seen tbh. saw it back to back with multiverse of madness and I gotta say the contrast in quality was jarring

[redcardinal]

I'm a VT, in the neighborhood, seanzie did *not* neighborize mala. Seanzie neighborized me night one and KT night two, proof is in 488. KT did not post anything substantial in the neighborhood and did not confirm whether he was roleblocking mala, though I find it likely. Seanzie and I were talking before he died and came to the conclusion that it's very likely that mafia has compensation. However, we disagreed on whether mala was clear after the night kt died- I think it's entirely possible maf has a strongman or multitasker to counterbalance the sheer town power, and that it's very possible even if KT DID roleblock mala that mala could still be scum anyways. I consider schadd nearly clear due to being blocked by KT on a night schadd would have definitely done the kill. Seanzie thought t3 was suspicious, I do not. my gut says mala today even despite the possibility that t3 is just playing a very good scum game today, but I'll go with either today to be honest.

[redcardinal]

schadd convince me t3 is scum

[redcardinal]

ooh ooh I know this one! neighborizer :3

this is also my way of proof just like, if you iso me it's really, really obvious. me just being blatantly sure that kt and seanzie were town for no reason, etc etc

[redcardinal]

VOTE: t3

this is for you seanzie

[redcardinal]

as much as I doubt it personally I'm going to go with the opinion of those I feel I can trust

[redcardinal]

ayyyyyyyy

[redcardinal]

fantastic theme and good moderation. Liked being able to skim back and see pagetop vcs most of the time

[redcardinal]

I'm really happy to see in the mafia pt that my suspicion of kt was what prevented them from kiling the roleblocker. there was a point where I was starting to figure kt could be town but made sure to vocally express that I didn't believe the claim so that I could 1. make sure I got roleblocked and not seanzie and 2. maybe convince scum kt would be an easy miselim given kt was the target seanzie was going to neighborize

[redcardinal]

not that I really knew either way, but it's cool to see a side effect of a consideration do a little something

[redcardinal]

oh wait no I read the scum pt wrong whoop

[redcardinal]

haschel you played that pretty well

[redcardinal]

t3 that was is in my opinion some of the best scum play I've ever seen, really believed it wasn't you

[redcardinal]

yeah that night seanzie neighborized kt fingers were super crossed maf didn't kill either

[redcardinal]

I definitely had fun