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[Datisi]

would it be weird / non-normal to have a mafia vigilante

not normal

and damn, i was hoping you had someone other than nero/ausuka/me/scamper as obvtown

[Dannflor]

ausuka hasn't really bolstered my town read in a while but her day one was still pretty towny

I remember she pushed baltar

was there another reason she's spewed town in light of flips

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

Unless you believe the solve is exactly Dease and GL, I believe it's unlikely GL is scum with Gamma/Tweet. They had an ideal opportunity to join the larger Dease wagon at 5351 in order to create a counter wagon for Gamma.

[GuiltyLion]

and damn, i was hoping you had someone other than nero/ausuka/me/scamper as obvtown

I'd like mayyyybe throw TSQ in that tier as well, but if it was exactly you five at 5p they'd be the first to go

I'm a little at how they moved me from "extremely confident" I'm town in 5783 to "could be convinced" I'm scum, but that's probably just me being reactive

[Datisi]

@gl, i was hoping you'd have some sorta thoughts on 5950?

[GuiltyLion]

ausuka hasn't really bolstered my town read in a while but her day one was still pretty towny

I remember she pushed baltar

was there another reason she's spewed town in light of flips

I think the Ausuka/VPB D1 interactions are almost never scum-scum

and I think she felt uninformed about Gamma

[Frogsterking]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

Unless you believe the solve is exactly Dease and GL, I believe it's unlikely GL is scum with Gamma/Tweet. They had an ideal opportunity to join the larger Dease wagon at 5351 in order to create a counter wagon for Gamma.

moderate

degree of certainty GL isn't partnered with Gamma based on the wagons. I don't believe GL is so incompetent as scum to not vote Dease in 5351.

[Nero Cain]

Nero, Ausuka,

Why isn't TSQ here?

I'm also not the biggest fan of Ausuka. She pushed VP and Dats and has felt like she's just floating in the wind.

[GuiltyLion]

@gl, i was hoping you'd have some sorta thoughts on 5950?

I don't like that he made the post itself at all, like it seems like the kind of thing I wouldn't expect him to do or expect to be useful because it's WIFOMy self-meta, but I actually kinda like a few of the points he made? Specifically that scum!him wouldn't ask a question like 2981, I think that's a decent point that if he were scum he'd know if HEM claimed already. overall it feels like he's putting forth the idea of "scum!me wouldn't play for towncred like I have", which on one hand I'd be a fool to just completely take at face value but on the other hand feels kinda genuine in that scum!him probably is more worried about how that comes across, that fits with my experience of him

[Nero Cain]

and I think she felt uninformed about Gamma

I mean, you also said that Gamma wasn't informed.

[Nero Cain]

is scamper actually a gs?

[Frogsterking]

I learned not to panic when people don't read my posts. In about 12 hours everyone will realize GL isn't partnered with Gamma. Now is my time to get ahead of the curve instead of freaking out!

[GuiltyLion]

Nero, Ausuka,

Why isn't TSQ here?

I'm also not the biggest fan of Ausuka. She pushed VP and Dats and has felt like she's just floating in the wind.

idk, as much as TSQ protests I can't turn off the small part of my brain that says they were

extremely

confident that Gamma was scum in a way that didn't really match my own reads and perception

could be town hitting on a right read, I'm certainly not going to lead off with paranoia / bussing narrative, but that paranoia does exist for me. I think the best argument for town!TSQ is that it would be suboptimal overall to bus another teammate so early in the game, but yeah, I would not bet the game on TSQ town over you or Ausuka if it got to an endgame question

I'd obviously have to review Ausuka again at some point if it did come down to that, but yeah I've just sensed nothing off from her whatsoever at any point

[Thestatusquo]

and damn, i was hoping you had someone other than nero/ausuka/me/scamper as obvtown

I'd like mayyyybe throw TSQ in that tier as well, but if it was exactly you five at 5p they'd be the first to go

I'm a little at how they moved me from "extremely confident" I'm town in 5783 to "could be convinced" I'm scum, but that's probably just me being reactive

I've been pretty leery of you for pretty much the whole game and only moved you up because multiple people insisted to me that you're town.

I don't have a lot of reasons to think you're town personally myself, I'm just sheeping. There's a reason you're at the bottom of the extremely confident list.

Maybe extremely confident was the wrong term but "not directly in my PoE."

I also I think have stated multiple times that I think there's probably one scum outside of that PoE.

[Thestatusquo]

Nero, Ausuka,

Why isn't TSQ here?

I'm also not the biggest fan of Ausuka. She pushed VP and Dats and has felt like she's just floating in the wind.

idk, as much as TSQ protests I can't turn off the small part of my brain that says they were

extremely

confident that Gamma was scum in a way that didn't really match my own reads and perception

could be town hitting on a right read, I'm certainly not going to lead off with paranoia / bussing narrative, but that paranoia does exist for me. I think the best argument for town!TSQ is that it would be suboptimal overall to bus another teammate so early in the game, but yeah, I would not bet the game on TSQ town over you or Ausuka if it got to an endgame question

I'd obviously have to review Ausuka again at some point if it did come down to that, but yeah I've just sensed nothing off from her whatsoever at any point

I don't think I was extremely confident that gamma was scum? I was I think the same level of confident I usually am when pushing my scum reads.

[GuiltyLion]

and I think she felt uninformed about Gamma

I mean, you also said that Gamma wasn't informed.

ok... is your point here that I should actually be re-evaluating Ausuka? or are you just trying to make me feel pressure over the reads I'm giving because I was wrong about a different one.

[fireisredsir]

I learned not to panic when people don't read my posts. In about 12 hours everyone will realize GL isn't partnered with Gamma. Now is my time to get ahead of the curve instead of freaking out!

i greatly appreciate this

ive read them and i think its a decent point but i haven't really been considering GL as scum for a while anyway

[Something_Smart]

I don't like that he made the post itself at all, like it seems like the kind of thing I wouldn't expect him to do or expect to be useful because it's WIFOMy self-meta

I wouldn't have done it normally, but Datisi specifically asked. Worst case, it's WIFOM self-meta and he says he doesn't care.

[Datisi]

s_s, give me three of your strongest reads in either direction

gamma town dann town shea town. based on some other people's stated reads these seem to be

very

out of touch, but that's hardly surprising. (then again, I think disagreeing with Frogster makes me more likely to be in touch than out of touch.)

do you have any SRs you feel are better than random?
notably, your strongest TRs are also the main targets that have come up today I feel.

this was a post towards s_s, at the time gamma's vote was useless on shea

at this time, s_s is at 6 votes, and if s_s is town, gamma could probably easily vote him there

then skip a bit forward

Something_Smart (6): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, scamper, fireisredsir, Ydrasse, humaneatingmonkey

in scamper's pov i am lurking scum who voted with him on his scumread so he should probably be unvoting now if his reads are real

r u saying i should be assuming ur scum and s_s is town?

that seems to be exactly what he's saying
I kinda get the sense he's feeling pinned by him + S_S being in the PoE
VOTE: Something_Smart
I also agree w the anti-spew bit somewhat, plus this is where there's a wagon in the last VC I saw

gamma votes s_s for lol reasons, but he votes that (1) when the wagon had completely defused (2) while at the same time shading hem and being ready to jump over if needed

maybe i am confbiased etc but idk it don't feel right

[Thestatusquo]

s_s, give me three of your strongest reads in either direction

gamma town dann town shea town. based on some other people's stated reads these seem to be

very

out of touch, but that's hardly surprising. (then again, I think disagreeing with Frogster makes me more likely to be in touch than out of touch.)

do you have any SRs you feel are better than random?
notably, your strongest TRs are also the main targets that have come up today I feel.

this was a post towards s_s, at the time gamma's vote was useless on shea

at this time, s_s is at 6 votes, and if s_s is town, gamma could probably easily vote him there

then skip a bit forward

Something_Smart (6): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, scamper, fireisredsir, Ydrasse, humaneatingmonkey

in scamper's pov i am lurking scum who voted with him on his scumread so he should probably be unvoting now if his reads are real

r u saying i should be assuming ur scum and s_s is town?

that seems to be exactly what he's saying
I kinda get the sense he's feeling pinned by him + S_S being in the PoE
VOTE: Something_Smart
I also agree w the anti-spew bit somewhat, plus this is where there's a wagon in the last VC I saw

gamma votes s_s for lol reasons, but he votes that (1) when the wagon had completely defused (2) while at the same time shading hem and being ready to jump over if needed

maybe i am confbiased etc but idk it don't feel right

This is a good point.

[GuiltyLion]

I don't think I was extremely confident that gamma was scum? I was I think the same level of confident I usually am when pushing my scum reads.

I called it out at the time:

TSQ I get semi frequent pings of townie righteousness but I don't think it's really out of a capable scum range and I do think there are enough ?? points in both Relly's Reads and Shea's Reads that make them worthy of some suspicion. Namely I don't really vibe with Shea's confidence in their Gamma push. However the fact that I'm getting mixed signals makes me afraid of this lim as it feels like if it's a miselim it's the easiest one for scum to get.

I think it was mainly the assertion that Gamma wasn't interested in the D1 elimination and that this didn't match your meta experience, the idea that Gamma "doesn't play like this as town" based on D1 of this game. I thought she did seem somewhat invested EOD1, certainly invested in at least engaging with marci, and I thought she gave a fairly plausible explanation in defense. But your perspective was posts like this:

And can someone for the love of god please talk to me about gamma and the meta.

ig this doesn't include me but what are you specifically talking about w this?

You don't play like this as town. You do not frequently show no interest in the elimination day one. Every experience I have with you does not match that description of your play and you're acting like its some obvious thing I should know because of a team game I was not even a part of ignoring the two examples of contrary play in order to do so and then claiming that the change happened like recently so how is it even relevant?

or this:

And can someone for the love of god please talk to me about gamma and the meta.

ig this doesn't include me but what are you specifically talking about w this?

You don't play like this as town. You do not frequently show no interest in the elimination day one. Every experience I have with you does not match that description of your play and you're acting like its some obvious thing I should know because of a team game I was not even a part of ignoring the two examples of contrary play in order to do so and then claiming that the change happened like recently so how is it even relevant?

I literally sold my vote to the highest bidder in TM2021 D1
TM2018 was back when I had tons of effort to play with, and Among Us the mech aspect drew me into things
Like, you're trying to claim I'm scum for not playing like a game from 4 years ago when I feel like I have had meta shifts happen multiple times over
And like, you said meta is trash earlier, and have been derisive of meta pretty evenly this game, so what the fuck is it about your case that makes it exist above that decree?
VOTE: TSQ / Shea
I feel like there's too much out of place in how you're treating me here. I wanted to rustle marci's feathers a bit more but that'll have to wait.

this is a giant misrepresentation of my point. My claim isn't that you are scum because you arent playing like games from 4 years ago, my claim is that you're scum because you don't care who is eliminated. The meta point is simply because you told me that this is normal for you and I sincerely do not believe that it is.

at the time it also felt weird you were singling Gamma out specifically, which you explained with this:

Like most of the others I can think of are either replace outs with weird participation patters or people who are otherwise difficult for me to understand in general (marci being the biggest example here) but I feel like even in those cases gammas absolute lack of interest in being part of determining the flip day 1 stands out as the most egregious case but I'm interested in hearing who else you think fits that description.

[Nero Cain]

and I think she felt uninformed about Gamma

I mean, you also said that Gamma wasn't informed.

ok... is your point here that I should actually be re-evaluating Ausuka? or are you just trying to make me feel pressure over the reads I'm giving because I was wrong about a different one.

I'm just being snarky, the latter.

[Datisi]

s_s, you haven't answered who you want to kill today

[Datisi]

ig my point is that i've noticed gamma be opportunistic at multiple parts in this game, and the fact that he obviously was aware of s_s wagon but joined it way too late is just... odd

[Nero Cain]

SS is still a good flip, I suppose.