Micro 1062 | Divide and Conquer | Postgame

[Cephrir]

I am in a hood with the Scared Bear and Somnus!

I think we should eliminate from the bigger hood today!

VOTE: Dannflor

I'm surprised no one has said yet that this is a bad take

Am I wrong in thinking it is a bad take?

[Cephrir]

I am here to sheep Cephrir SHAMELESSLY

but he hasn't voted yet so this will have to do

VOTE: SCRRRRRRRRRRRRRDBEAR

Finally the proper order finds the universe

[Cephrir]

My first scalding hot take is that Radja would not have divided the hoods like this and is therefore town

I feel like this is the work of someone up on site culture

[Cephrir]

I guess if we go for the small hood the big hood scum knows for a fact their partner will not be alive at endgame so all they need to do is bus really well to win

[Cephrir]

My first scalding hot take is that Radja would not have divided the hoods like this and is therefore town

I feel like this is the work of someone up on site culture

Can you elaborate on this? Why wouldnt I divide it like this?
I was thinking I would lock you as town if we were in different neighbourhoods, but that didn't happen.

Also hi Cakez, I remember you too!

to my mind, the small hood contains 3 small name players (because i have not heard of them) while the large hood contains all of the big players. i feel like you wouldn't have done that to yourself - it's too likely the players who play often will be able to find each other as town if they were all town. i think the large hood scum decided to carry the game, i think they are likely a veteran planning to blend in with a crowd they know well, i think because they are a veteran they most likely called the shot on how to divide the hoods, and the presence of strong players in their hood will also explain why they don't die at night.

granted this is partly stemming from my belief that eliming in the small hood was clearly optimal which i'm not so sure about anymore

[Cephrir]

if i were scum i would 100% have put myself in the big hood with both dannflor and radja, so i can't fault anyone for seeing that

i might have dodged pooky but i'm not sure

[Cephrir]

I'm temporarily awake. It's probably not gonna last long though.

it's funny because your name is somnus

[Cephrir]

Kinda rhetorical but kinda not: Did most people go into this with a preconceived plan of which neighborhood to eliminate in Day 1?

i did

[Cephrir]

why do you think Radja is town just because the hoods aren't organized the way he'd do it? There's two scum.

already answered this, but because i think the more experienced scum likely made the decision

[Cephrir]

it's because you are very scary

[Cephrir]

i had some of these thoughts pregame and others during it

i dont really have a lot of reads yet. i'm reading lucian's personality as stilted but i don't have a problem with it at this time. isis might be a town lean i guess

[Cephrir]

fwiw i think dann is mostly right here except i probably would not be eager to make myself the center of attention immediately given recent history

[Cephrir]

Ceph's page 2 was scummy af all weird setup analysis that gets us literally nowhere
who's the scum dawg

idk who's scum yet and im not gonna pretend i do

i can see that angry bear person is going to pocket me

[Cephrir]

CEPHRIR HAS EASIER TIME POCKETING PLAYERS WHO ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH THEIR SCUM GAME

sometimes it hurts to feel seen

[Cephrir]

YOU'RE OVERTHINKING IT

Story of my life.

I still feel like Scared Bear's analysis of the big hood dynamics has too many holes, but I can't help townreading it anyway... Is that silly? I feel like it is.

r u just trying to talk in circles so i'll townread you :V

[Cephrir]

i haven't decided

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Somnus


BEAR POWA

Based on fossil evidence from Russia and Bulgaria, the first known members of the family Procyonidae lived in Europe in the late Oligocene about 25 million years ago. Similar tooth and skull structures suggest procyonids and weasels share a common ancestor, but molecular analysis indicates a closer relationship between raccoons and bears.

[Cephrir]

dangerous

[Cephrir]

i'm scumreading cephrir for the above post as well as this one, fyi

[Cephrir]

My first scalding hot take is that Radja would not have divided the hoods like this and is therefore town

I feel like this is the work of someone up on site culture

Can you elaborate on this? Why wouldnt I divide it like this?
I was thinking I would lock you as town if we were in different neighbourhoods, but that didn't happen.

Also hi Cakez, I remember you too!

to my mind, the small hood contains 3 small name players (because i have not heard of them) while the large hood contains all of the big players. i feel like you wouldn't have done that to yourself - it's too likely the players who play often will be able to find each other as town if they were all town. i think the large hood scum decided to carry the game, i think they are likely a veteran planning to blend in with a crowd they know well, i think because they are a veteran they most likely called the shot on how to divide the hoods, and the presence of strong players in their hood will also explain why they don't die at night.

granted this is partly stemming from my belief that eliming in the small hood was clearly optimal which i'm not so sure about anymore

To be fair, I pretty much only now you and Cakez. So I have no clue who the "small name players" are.
I suppose that matches into your "veteran player wants to carry the game" strategy though?
I was hoping I'd get some idea about your allegiance here, but nothing really points me in any direction.

I hope I can keep up with the pace of this game. I don't really like reading up too much.

Just supports my point really!

I'm a difficult read. Give it time.

[Cephrir]

r u just trying to talk in circles so i'll townread you :V

Thinking back, this kind of confuses me. Do people usually townread talking in circles? Does Cephrir specifically townread it? Was I supposed to know that? How was I even talking in circles there? I didn't feel like I was.

I often townread self consciousness and complex thought processes

But no I don't expect you to know that about me that part was rhetorical

[Cephrir]

I had something come up yesterday that required my immediate attention, and by the time I got caught up, I desperately needed to sleep. I'm town, but I don't think it's the end of the world if I get eliminated here:

Both the people in my neighborhood want me out for uhh...questionable reasons at best (a too long post that was 5 sentences long and apparently I'm performative. I don't know. I always post like this, including when I'm spectating a game, which is something Lucian should know from a couple months ago). Apparently my 4-post ISO from when the game had barely started is awful. Ok. I can live with that. I know one of them is just wrong town though.

Here's where I'm at: If I end up being the elimination today, after I flip, you've got a 50/50 shot at hitting mafia between Lucian and Scared Bear. Even if it's wrong tomorrow, you'll have a confirmed mafia Day 3, the entire small neighborhood wiped out, and in that absolute worst case scenario, guaranteed to at least get to eLo. So even though I'm not celebrating my potential mis-lim here and would have preferred a slightly longer cameo in this game, like...go for it, I guess? It's amazing how silly this setup appeared to me once I actually started going through the scenarios in my head.

(Yes, this post was too long. Scum confirmed.)

Bruh you're not dead yet and I'm not ready to end the day at all. Show me what you got.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Somnus


BEAR POWA

Based on fossil evidence from Russia and Bulgaria, the first known members of the family Procyonidae lived in Europe in the late Oligocene about 25 million years ago. Similar tooth and skull structures suggest procyonids and weasels share a common ancestor, but molecular analysis indicates a closer relationship between raccoons and bears.

also imma gonna be a filthy pre-flip associator and say this makes me think Somnus is town cuz Ceph put this scummy ass vote on them

i did not know the fun police was in this game

[Cephrir]

VOTE: SirCakez

VOTE: SirCakez

glad we're getting this bullshit out of the way early

is it out of the way, though? you can't make it go away by wishing

[Cephrir]

Micros are weird

And I'm not neurotic I just like posting / am generally bored with life at the moment

[Cephrir]

If you made 190 as scum criticizing others for forced solving while also being forced solving itself, bravo

[Cephrir]

I wish that vote were not against me so I could see if I still hate it without the fog of omgus

[Cephrir]

I think a vote on someone not especially incriminated by 190 and also not scared bear is just weird in that spot I don't like it at all

[Cephrir]

I think a vote on someone not especially incriminated by 190 and also not scared bear is just weird in that spot I don't like it at all

I feel like you're winding up to vote me

I'm inclined to give you more time to find the right notes

These ones are off key

[Cephrir]

J2 your move sir pookington

[Cephrir]

could the SCRRDBEAR all caps posting style be a smokescreen for scum?

no

VOTE: Somnus


BEAR POWA

Based on fossil evidence from Russia and Bulgaria, the first known members of the family Procyonidae lived in Europe in the late Oligocene about 25 million years ago. Similar tooth and skull structures suggest procyonids and weasels share a common ancestor, but molecular analysis indicates a closer relationship between raccoons and bears.

also imma gonna be a filthy pre-flip associator and say this makes me think Somnus is town cuz Ceph put this scummy ass vote on them

What's so wrong with this vote?

it just feels out of nowhere and has like no conviction behind it

is it scummy to lack conviction on page 7

[Cephrir]

im not a duck im a bear

that's exactly what a duck would say

[Cephrir]

my head hasn't quite gotten into this game and that's unfortunate but a real thought i do have is that somnus is just scum giving up

[Cephrir]

sometimes a spade is just a spade

[Cephrir]

my head hasn't quite gotten into this game and that's unfortunate but a real thought i do have is that somnus is just scum giving up

I don't think that's wrong. But I also think it would be much better to pressure big hood inhabitants first before killing there.

I've been actually mulling for a while if the best move here, provided we all agree that Somnus is scum and are

correct

on it, to eliminate in the big hood. Forces scum into making a choice of either killing in the small hood (and thus sealing Somnus as scum even more), or killing in the big hood (and narrowing the pool).

tbh im not really concerned about scum killing in the small hood i think they will just never ever do that

[Cephrir]

is it scummy to lack conviction on page 7

yes

wow you don't know me very well

[Cephrir]

why would I start bussing here now? if Somnus and I were buddies I'd fire up a wagon on someone else not roll over onto them
and I very rarely bus after Among Us Mafia where I bussed my whole team then lost lol

I think some things are kind of... universally understood currently. Somnus is scum; eliminating in the small hood is disadvantageous as we don't yet have a clear idea who scum in the big hood is.

You obviously agree with the first bit. But I don't get the feeling your vote is a pressure vote, exactly, as I don't think you believe one extra vote will suddenly make Somnus play. So what are you hoping to achieve, exactly? The answer is towncred upon a Somnus flip. Somnus flipping red doesn't help the town currently, because we don't actually have to kill him to solve the game, but if you're scum with him, it does help you. The town should absolutely be focusing on the big hood, because - Somnus flips red,

then what

?

This is an even worse look if Somnus is town, but I refuse to believe that we're in that universe.

uh what? I want to lim Somnus so that we can solve based on the flip lol. I think Som is scummy but I don't trust shit til I see the flip. I don't like this strategy you're doing basically solving the game as if Somnus has already flipped scum.

I agree with this - it would be incredibly cocky to leave somnus' alive and play the rest of the game as though he were flipped scum, not to mention that even if we were right we would derive little utility from his being around to interact with a partner if they're 100% he's going down

[Cephrir]

I want the slot to post more before we seriously contemplate killing it anyways tho

[Cephrir]

i feel like at the start of the game the argument for killing in the big hood was "let's treat everyone equally and just elim scum" which i understood but now it's somehow become actively bad to elim in the small hood and i think that makes negative sense

[Cephrir]

oh okay my bad

if i may isispost, this is exactly why im afraid to play poker in a casino

[Cephrir]

even if we were right we would derive little utility from his being around to interact with a partner

I don't want to keep Somnus alive to have him interact with his partner, I think that ship has sailed. I want to keep him alive to force scum to shoot in the big hood.

but... what if they just don't

as isis said, giving choices is worse than not giving choices

[Cephrir]

I feel like I'm arguing that we should eliminate in the big hood, so that scum has to choose between A and B, and you're saying no, let's force them to do C. But both A and B are more advantageous to town than C is.

yes you are right eliminating scum is terrible

[Cephrir]

the only person this plan is good for is non-somnus scum in the small hood

really makes u think

[Cephrir]

this development makes me nervous

while cakez hasn't been impressive he gets eliminated a fair amount in general and is up against a lot of charisma. securing a big hood elim while it's still gettable is like, an absolute necessity for any somnus partner who might exist

don't particularly like that somnus' vote is camped out there either

[Cephrir]

bluh cakez iso is so bad

[Cephrir]

I am curious as to why cakez and only cakez is required to solve the entire game at once

I'm not doing that either; am I also scum?

[Cephrir]

You're free to quote where you've done analysis about who is scum with Somnus and why.

Scum thinking they're getting away with it?

[Cephrir]

Damn I should have hoodposted that

[Cephrir]

But nobody else started voting Somnus at this stage in the game when it's kind of clear he's scum gone in antispew.

Voting for who you think is scum is not scummy

I don't care that I'm jumping into someone else's line of questioning this is drivel

[Cephrir]

I like that being confirmed not scum with 5 slots means I can chainsaw for them if I feel like it

[Cephrir]

voting who you think is scum is not scummy even if they are afk

[Cephrir]

sorry it's just that your arguments aren't good so it's hard to appreciate their finer points

[Cephrir]

voting who you think is scum is not scummy even if they are afk

If you wanna play this game by only thinking about this Day's flip and about nothing past that, I won't stop you.

Great! So why do you care so much whether cakez does that?

[Cephrir]

Unless I'm missing something this is the first time you've mentioned some parts of that, but thanks for explaining

Pedit oo even more explaining nice

This is helping me read you fwiw

[Cephrir]

I'd still prefer somnus post again but I think I'm ready to murder him now

[Cephrir]

You should try to sell us on that instead of flipping somnus

[Cephrir]

a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush

[Cephrir]

a) The town HAS to eliminate the big-hood scum to win. We do not necessarily need to eliminate the small-hood scum. So town should naturally be focused towards solving the big-hood scum.

Maybe I'm just annoying you at this point but where my disconnect is is I don't think the last sentence of this follows from the first two

[Cephrir]

Eh forget it I've accomplished what I wanted to with our dialogue I'm just beating a dead horse now

[Cephrir]

UNVOTE:

I want to think about this game a bit more. Can people tell me what they think of Dannflor's most recent big post? Especially the large hood inhabitants.

I think dannflor is a pretty good player who could fake a post like that but I'm leaning town on it. That said I have a little bit of paranoia about the "I'm ok with flipping somnus even though I think he's town" stance being potentially the best he feels like he can do as a somnus partner.

I would be pretty impressed if this was theater with bear but I won't completely eliminate the possibility.

[Cephrir]

I don't know if I like bear's response all that much - not enough to go there myself right now at all tho. I actually do think calling 380 non-curious is fair as I read its questions as rhetorical. Demanding rationale and receipts is something I associate with scum tactics. Granted, Dann's argument is not amazing either. This bears further thought.

[Cephrir]

1. Eliminate small hood
2. ????
3. Profit

Would prefer if you went with ScrrrdBear over me, but I won't hold it against anyone if I'm the consensus. I haven't brought anything of value to this game, unfortunately, and that probably wouldn't change for another week. Sorry about that. Timing just ended up unexpectedly terrible for a mafia game. That's my problem and not yours though, so I'll leave it at that.

I thought some of the early analysis by Lucian was the kind of stuff that's easy to fake to look like busy town, but I don't have that thought anymore. There's clearly no consensus scum-read in the big hood, so throwing a dart and hoping to hit 1 out of 6 in there on Day 1 doesn't seem like a good play.

VOTE: ScrrrdBear

Do you have reads on the big hood?

[Cephrir]

Hhhhh I don't know what to do

[Cephrir]

i still just want to yeet somnus tbh

[Cephrir]

One thing I see in radja's favor - he wants to target the big hood yet has declined to support the most viable big hood elims other than himself (dann and cakez). Hard to see what his plan is as scum. I would like to hear more words about his pooky vote tho.

[Cephrir]

I thought bear/dann was potential theater too tbh

[Cephrir]

CEPHRIR'S REASONS FOR TOWNREADING YOU

I'm townreading Dannflor? Huh. I'm learning about myself every day

[Cephrir]

blood for the blood god
skulls for the skull throne

[Cephrir]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

[Cephrir]

Just eliminate scum we don't need to big brain the entire game at once

[Cephrir]

Daniel Napoleon Florington what did I JUST say

[Cephrir]

i experience a slight irrational rage each time i check in and see day 1 still on the header

[Cephrir]

Sending that red PM to someone I would otherwise like to play with is rude.

[Cephrir]

I don't think you had. Sorry, I can't help it <3

[Cephrir]

Which game(s) are in the recent history bucket?

my last 2 scum games (some dance game and a micro as shuichi) were absolutely embarrassing due to scum fatigue

[Cephrir]

unvote:

Somnus's vote is where mine would probably be if I'd been here from the start and was feeling vote-y, though.

how does this square with the sense that SCRRRD believes what he's posting

[Cephrir]

this game feels really easy right now. sorry about somnus, pooky

[Cephrir]

?

im sad that you rolled scum with an empty slot and this replacement is too late to save you

[Cephrir]

and yes i am old thank u 4 noticing

[Cephrir]

I don't plan on contributing my vote to that effort at this time

[Cephrir]

Don't hammer - if ffery is town her opinion is valuable. I still don't think that's likely tho

[Cephrir]

The fact that 574 does not include anything about me, but does include multiple points against BEAR, makes me wonder if fferyllt has already decided which one of us she's going to push.

@Cephrir, you've played with her before? How good of a scum player is she?

I think I have only ever seen her as town. I have read at least one scum game and found it quite impressive though.

[Cephrir]

The fact that 574 does not include anything about me, but does include multiple points against BEAR, makes me wonder if fferyllt has already decided which one of us she's going to push.

@Cephrir, you've played with her before? How good of a scum player is she?

I think I have only ever seen her as town. I have read at least one scum game and found it quite impressive though.

Do you recall which game? I have a personal favorite, but it's from years of yore.

It's that really townsided one, I think syr was a teammate?

[Cephrir]

I think you're trying really hard to find a scumread on me.

[Cephrir]

Sure, it could be that. It could also be that you think that's the most likely way for you to get out of this. c:

[Cephrir]

Actually fuck this
VOTE: pooky
He can go

Low-key biased because of Somnus but fferys posts feel so manufactured

The fuck?

[Cephrir]

Sure, it could be that. It could also be that you think that's the most likely way for you to get out of this. c:

1. I'm not trying to get out of this. I want town to be in decent shape tomorrow, and I wouldn't mind bragging rights if I manage a good solve.

2. Why would I think that?

Hipster reads get townread!

[Cephrir]

Plus paranoia of me probably hits right with half this player list haha

[Cephrir]

Brave non-hammer tbh.

[Cephrir]

mb fferylit is just town O.o

VOTE: cakeboi

This post makes them look not partnered because it would be the most awkward buddy interaction of all time

[Cephrir]

Pooky and ff or pooky and cake

The possible one

[Cephrir]

I do not understand why we are not eliminating ffery

[Cephrir]

Like: even *she* apparently does not think scard bear or Lucian are scum.

[Cephrir]

I guess it could be bear... Idk I just haven't seen enough to make me want to ignore somnus.

[Cephrir]

I guess it could be bear... Idk I just haven't seen enough to make me want to ignore somnus.

Hope that hedge you're sitting on isn't thorny.

I've been pushing your slot full steam ahead for about 15 pages. Excuse me for momentarily acknowledging any other possibility.

[Cephrir]

pooky actually tried for half a second and suddenly i feel like i can't survive without his bright light warming my cheeks and nurturing my chlorophyll

[Cephrir]

I don't think I've ever seen you have an answer to that question so quickly before

[Cephrir]

Yghhughh

I quite agree.

[Cephrir]

Just it being implicit in fferylt passing up a hammer in a game state where fferyltown lol hammering scumpooky is more of a plus two than a plus one

I'm curious to see what Ceph has to say about this take!

I mean yeah I'd view you lolhammering ever as a scum claim

[Cephrir]

posting nya seems easier than playing this mafia game. maybe i'll try that. go to your anime zen place, folks.

[Cephrir]

Have I played with fferylt ever? I probably misspelled it that time but not on purpose

Not under your current account. And long ago and far away. T-Bone's Amnesiac game. My first game with both you and Ceph.

in the interim i find isis has gained this sort of ephemeral, dreamlike quality which makes her harder to understand

[Cephrir]

I think that might have come off as negative sorry I actually find it very interesting

[Cephrir]

Ceph who do you actually want to kill today

Probably still ffery

[Cephrir]

She's just not making the ffery noises I'm used to idk

[Cephrir]

Ceph did you snow me again

Yes, I convinced you that I know anything about mafia

Wahaha

[Cephrir]

Ceph who do you actually want to kill today

Probably still ffery

now this post is making me feel like there is a scum inside of Ceph and ffery blegh

Weird take

[Cephrir]

what if we flash wagoned Ceph for doing literally nothing for all of EoD

What would you like me to be doing

I picked what I want to kill and have been trying to kill it

[Cephrir]

Alright, just a quick thought dump here:

fferyllt is obviously a very competent mafia player. I've played with her before and I'm pretty sure she's fooled me before.
I don't see Lucian or ScaredBear being scum yet.
If not for the Somnus interactions, I don't know how I'd read this slot.
Either way, I have 0 interest in eliminating from the small hood, so I guess I don't need to worry about being wrong?
fferyllt townreading me: I think I'd expect that from town fferyllt, but scum fferyllt would probably try to pocket me too? The fact that she's mostly townreading me because I don't feel very pressured is not great though, for multiple reasons:
- I think I'm one of the least trusted players in the big hood, so I'm kinda expecting to get eliminated at some point?
- I actually WANT people to look at the big hood first, and I want mafia to kill in the big hood. So I don't really care if I'm being looked at here, see previous point.
- I haven't played mafia in forever, so I'm not sure a meta read on me is going to be very accurate
- There's no power roles to get nervous about having to out.

Soooo idk about fferyllt. Buuuut I'm not going to vote her today.

The fact that both ScaredBear and fferyllt seem to want to flip Pooky worries me though. I don't see the small hood scum bussing his partner on day 1?
However, fferyllt has been very reluctant about hammering. So maybe that's just fferyllt stalling?

I'm not sure you could extinguish the meta channel I read in your play.

The last miselim of you where I voted you, a scum player had fake-guiltied you.

Anyway, more to the point, if you ARE the least trusted member of the big hood, that's a reflection on the big hood imo.

Ceph, you probs don't remember much of it but I'll point back to the DeDeDe mini. Rajma's alt was kept around for elo mislim. Which I'd like to think wouldn't have happened if Morph had improbably still been alive at that point.

i recall i had occasion to look at that game a year or two ago and was amazed by how little memory i had of it

[Cephrir]

:/

Eliminating in the small hood is the correct play.

cease filling my mind with doubts at once

[Cephrir]

I'm tempted to hammer you for that post

[Cephrir]

Bitch

[Cephrir]

(<3)

I'm not upset about this I think it is both of them

[Cephrir]

I'm going to vote her out tomorrow

[Cephrir]

I wish you hadn't phoned in this scum game pooktavius

Could have been a delightful dance

[Cephrir]

ahahah gg

[Cephrir]

Look at what you people did, now future players are going to think eliminating in the big hood is a good idea.

Your actions have CONSEQUENCES.

consider the following counterargument:

lol

lmao

[Cephrir]

ceph yet again fails to make it to day 2 as town

sadge

i just want to have fun for 2 minutes

[Cephrir]

per the spec thread, i submit that as i technically guessed the scumteam on day 1, i (and probably several others) should get to choose catboi's avatar for a week