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Actually rereading today's posts i think coral looks a lot more townir than she did yesterdayShowHiatus once more.
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1094 is still about the game plan of demona putting self in a game and demanding people pay attention to demona and townread demona later.
I'm super confused about "gotcha Isis you just said there's only one reason to townread demona" and then digging up a post with "Which is kind of like an expansion of <original reason>"
It's mostly par for course for demona to not bare soul immediately d2. I'm saying that demanding a crossvote after opaque play and demanding a crossvote after transparent play are different and since demona did the former I'm that much more wary. If you're getting townread as scum "x townreads me" becomes this mental shortcut assumption and you don't really think about whether your recent posts express your alignment or not in the same way."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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you seem to be unable to pick a lane on my alignment but are dissatisfied with me declaring decisively a course of action that does not favor you. if i'm scum you know i'm not averse to playing dirty and am not going to hold back, if i'm town and you're town and i'm being a dumbass then yes it's unfortunate but you've given me no reason to respond any differentlyIn post 1620, Faker wrote:
This post made me sad. I don't think there's anything else to say.In post 1613, catboi wrote:if I'm scum why do you even care, I'm not beholden to making you not feel annoyed, obviously. I'm town though and you've all but declared me lockscum so I don't actually have reason to care if I'm annoying you, I'm not begging for you to townread me because I literally do not need it
cry more
if we are town unable to find each other and skitter literally scumslipped in front of me only for me to go "ah, nevertheless, carry on", oh well, I'll have a laugh about it. I have no idea what you're trying to do at all here.-
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Some of the hypotheticals contradicted by the nightswaps seem at minimum tedious to fake.In post 1625, skitter30 wrote:Actually rereading today's posts i think coral looks a lot more townir than she did yesterday"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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pre-writing a wall to appear uninformed is really pretty trivial imoIn post 1628, Isis wrote:
Some of the hypotheticals contradicted by the nightswaps seem at minimum tedious to fake.In post 1625, skitter30 wrote:Actually rereading today's posts i think coral looks a lot more townir than she did yesterday-
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i was mostly referring to the top part where you agree with coral postIn post 1626, Isis wrote:1094 is still about the game plan of demona putting self in a game and demanding people pay attention to demona and townread demona later.
I'm super confused about "gotcha Isis you just said there's only one reason to townread demona" and then digging up a post with "Which is kind of like an expansion of <original reason>"
It's mostly par for course for demona to not bare soul immediately d2. I'm saying that demanding a crossvote after opaque play and demanding a crossvote after transparent play are different and since demona did the former I'm that much more wary. If you're getting townread as scum "x townreads me" becomes this mental shortcut assumption and you don't really think about whether your recent posts express your alignment or not in the same way.
which isn’t at all about the one reason?
and catboi expanded that to say that your one reason was the only reason anyone was townreading me for
which, uh, it wasn’t
i also don’t think i ‘demanded’ anything
like chara voting for you is only a plus from my perspective and i am town so it feels kinda !!! that you’re saying it is like a change in my approach et cetera when it comes from the same thing
but also i am still not entirely sure i am following, sohis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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especially because like
mafia left the wall as it was right
so that means mafia had a plan for winning the wall or mafia could not
if the plan option then… this kinda feels like it could be part of that
but would that be preferable approach for scum!you rather than 1v1 chara?
i dunno
maybe because could always fallback to 1v1 chara planhis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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Ok yes the de-emphasized part of the post I agreed a couple posts she liked are more green than red. I don't remember what those posts said. I was earnest about liking them more than I disliked them
If that looks like read progression with jaunts and corners to you it didn't feel that way to me but you're not being logically inconsistent or anything"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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I can't 1v1 Chara unless and until I'm sure it's the wall scum, have mercy with the Isis ice queen fanfics T_T
(Joke/vent post I appreciate you thumbing through hypos)"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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So i guess which of these do you think is the world we live in?In post 1533, absinthe wrote:
Either there were two scum in the gate, the scum in the keep thought you'd misread them, or it's purely shenanigans.In post 1528, skitter30 wrote:
Plz elaborate on the 'because of your alignment' bitIn post 1514, absinthe wrote:skitter -- I'm trying to decide which makes more sense. That you were moved out of the Gate because of your alignment or because of your reads.
In the first game, the swap was part shenanigans and part to increase the probability of scum winning the keep. The scum ratio at the start of night 1 were 1-1-1.ShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
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'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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You literally said that if we're both town you have no reason to care about annoying me. I'm willing to vote first on Day 5 becauseIn post 1627, catboi wrote:you seem to be unable to pick a lane on my alignment but are dissatisfied with me declaring decisively a course of action that does not favor you. if i'm scum you know i'm not averse to playing dirty and am not going to hold back, if i'm town and you're town and i'm being a dumbass then yes it's unfortunate but you've given me no reason to respond any differently
if we are town unable to find each other and skitter literally scumslipped in front of me only for me to go "ah, nevertheless, carry on", oh well, I'll have a laugh about it. I have no idea what you're trying to do at all here.I really want to play and have fun. Being a huge dick, constantly threatening to hostage take and only ever responding with WELL WHY DO YOU CARE HUH??? and refusing to accommodate for any of my strengths because I know you're willing to play dirty and not hold back just makes me want to vote skitter and have us both go back to retirement.
I don't really want to get in the gutter or prove I'm willing to throw to show I'm town. I want to have a fun game where I get to read and meta.
If you're scum, consider holding back and not playing dirty. You can play aggressive and bluff without being a gigantic jerk about it.-
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I was thinking while out for a walk about what your goals would be as scum here. I think most likely you would be trying to undermine confidence and play into my fears of Getting Things Wrong. Which is an understandable goal, the approach is just ineffective. I'm much more vulnerable to people being nice to meIn post 1607, catboi wrote:
lol okay, egg will be on your faceIn post 1604, Coral wrote:In post 1428, catboi wrote:I'm not voting right away, I want people to check in first, but I am likely to vote soon.
My point is that these are bluster. I'm not panicked and I'm not sure what gives you that impression. I just think you're scum who is flailing a bit, and your play doesn't make sense from town.In post 1460, catboi wrote:If you think I'm scum, go ahead, pre-flip me, start partner hunting, it's all going to be meaningless very very soon.
But anyway. The point I wanted to make here is that this is a pretty clear perspective slip. Your stated perspective is that I'm scum, and you have performed as such that you feel that fairly strongly. However, your scum goal here is to make me feel like I am wrongtown. Those clash, and result in the post that I've quoted, where you say something that only makes sense if you know I'm town. There wouldn't be egg on my face if I were scum here. I wouldn't be embarrassed to have gotten you wrong, because I would know your alignment already.
Even if I take the most generous interpretation, that you meant that I would look foolish to others for having gotten you wrong, there's no reason for you to tell me that directly. That shouldn't be the focus for you. It would be something like, "my flip will prove me right about you".-
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From my pov this is not a given and i dont really like you presenting your minigame this wayIn post 1562, demona wrote:but also would rather play isis votes chara or chara votes isis and everyone solves as if demona confirmedShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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Ig i'm confused why from your pov she looks bad when you flip {town from your pov}In post 1589, catboi wrote:
no, she literally is arguing that we should not resolve the keep if I vote and spend days yakking it up while treating me as scum which is beyond nonsensical but provides a ton of benefit to her if she knows she's about to eat shit when I flipIn post 1582, skitter30 wrote:
Coral seems to think thay both town need to vote town to win keepIn post 1574, catboi wrote:but coral is arguing that me doing so would make it unnecessary to actually resolve the keep and get my flip and that it's sooo much more valuable to treat the other voices here as confirmed town
(Which is wrong and is what prompted my question)
I think her post makes more sense in contextShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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In post 1636, Faker wrote:
You literally said that if we're both town you have no reason to care about annoying me. I'm willing to vote first on Day 5 becauseIn post 1627, catboi wrote:you seem to be unable to pick a lane on my alignment but are dissatisfied with me declaring decisively a course of action that does not favor you. if i'm scum you know i'm not averse to playing dirty and am not going to hold back, if i'm town and you're town and i'm being a dumbass then yes it's unfortunate but you've given me no reason to respond any differently
if we are town unable to find each other and skitter literally scumslipped in front of me only for me to go "ah, nevertheless, carry on", oh well, I'll have a laugh about it. I have no idea what you're trying to do at all here.I really want to play and have fun. Being a huge dick, constantly threatening to hostage take and only ever responding with WELL WHY DO YOU CARE HUH??? and refusing to accommodate for any of my strengths because I know you're willing to play dirty and not hold back just makes me want to vote skitter and have us both go back to retirement.
I don't really want to get in the gutter or prove I'm willing to throw to show I'm town. I want to have a fun game where I get to read and meta.
If you're scum, consider holding back and not playing dirty. You can play aggressive and bluff without being a gigantic jerk about it.
i don't think declaring i'm voting someone who is not you when i am town is emotional terrorism. If you think me not bowing down and townreading you is dickish, that is your problem, not mine. You do not get to control me or my vote and I will vote when I am ready to.In post 1637, Faker wrote:Maybe I should frame it this way: If I'm scum I'm definitely holding back and not playing dirty. Consider returning the favor.
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maybe don't post things if you don't want me to respond to themIn post 1640, Faker wrote:If you want to talk about other slots or other games I'm down, but I really don't want a response to 1636.-
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b/c the attempts to marginalize/minimize me and my voice in my game while i'm active comes across as overtly pro-scum and someone who is likely to look very bad when the keep flips.In post 1642, skitter30 wrote:
Ig i'm confused why from your pov she looks bad when you flip {town from your pov}In post 1589, catboi wrote:
no, she literally is arguing that we should not resolve the keep if I vote and spend days yakking it up while treating me as scum which is beyond nonsensical but provides a ton of benefit to her if she knows she's about to eat shit when I flipIn post 1582, skitter30 wrote:
Coral seems to think thay both town need to vote town to win keepIn post 1574, catboi wrote:but coral is arguing that me doing so would make it unnecessary to actually resolve the keep and get my flip and that it's sooo much more valuable to treat the other voices here as confirmed town
(Which is wrong and is what prompted my question)
I think her post makes more sense in context
(it has crossed my mind that coral is just town with horrendous reasoning. i've been too soft on people who pushed me like that recently though and paid for it. this is complicated by absinthe's entrance to the day being mediocre)-
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Ok this might not be super fair given my approach to keepIn post 1619, demona wrote:
it just makes everything less frustrating for meIn post 1617, skitter30 wrote:
On reread this is actually p bad imoIn post 1357, demona wrote:
feel free to vote for isisIn post 1347, Chara wrote:Isis is scum at... i want to say 80% confidence, which for me is very high. this is the outcome i expected if demona wasn't swapped out, though that doesn't mean i'm any more prepared for the next phase.
i would be super happy to play as confirmed (noone isreallygoing to argue that i stayed in the game as a scum to, like, manipulate the other games or whatever, right?)
like you’ve played with me enough to know i don’t exactly react super well to being suspected/pressured et cetera and often end up making a mess of things and to just skip the potential of that altogether would be pretty ideal to me
do you really think that post outweighs everything you were previously townreading me for?
or?
But like i don't think you're in a position to strongly push to effectively hammer tesf yourself just now, and from my pov i see a lot of scum motivation for doing so, and i do not have a strong enuf reason to townread you to be willing to bet the minigame on that at thia point in time
It doesn't like make me scumread you outright but posts like that make me concerned and nervousShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
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Okay, my current to-do list, that I personally at least would like to get through before we flip anywhere, although I of course can't control what anyone else may choose to do :
1) Ignore the baits from catboi that are really hard not to respond to
2) Write up what made me feel the way I do about Chara.
3) Reread things with the knowledge of scum!absinthe in mind and see if that opens up any new angles of perspective, maybe some thoughts on what the scum team may have been trying to do at different points.
4) Stare really hard at Isis and demona to sort out what exactly is going on over there because I've kind of been glazing over it a bit while distracted by the Keep.
Does anyone care about me casing absinthe as an individual? I can, it isn't my immediate inclination since it's hard to see it being that useful, but I guess that's up to Tempest mostly.-
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I probably still think demona is town but not strongly enuf rn to bet the minigame on that
Is probably a good way to say itShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx-
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If i were coral i'd be a lot more worried abt you flipping scum than town as either alignmentIn post 1645, catboi wrote:
b/c the attempts to marginalize/minimize me and my voice in my game while i'm active comes across as overtly pro-scum and someone who is likely to look very bad when the keep flips.In post 1642, skitter30 wrote:
Ig i'm confused why from your pov she looks bad when you flip {town from your pov}In post 1589, catboi wrote:
no, she literally is arguing that we should not resolve the keep if I vote and spend days yakking it up while treating me as scum which is beyond nonsensical but provides a ton of benefit to her if she knows she's about to eat shit when I flipIn post 1582, skitter30 wrote:
Coral seems to think thay both town need to vote town to win keepIn post 1574, catboi wrote:but coral is arguing that me doing so would make it unnecessary to actually resolve the keep and get my flip and that it's sooo much more valuable to treat the other voices here as confirmed town
(Which is wrong and is what prompted my question)
I think her post makes more sense in context
(it has crossed my mind that coral is just town with horrendous reasoning. i've been too soft on people who pushed me like that recently though and paid for it. this is complicated by absinthe's entrance to the day being mediocre)ShowHiatus once more.
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
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