VOTE: Lich - fine line between
Mini 2287: AB:LoAF (Postgame)
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Claiming farmer, potato or otherwise.
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Besides memes, why would the meta janitor leave out N_M?-
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Does it tell you what type of miller you are?
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Benign factions can win with town, but that doesn't necessarily make them pro-town. Some can be disruptive, and since there's just a 50% chance of a benign faction being in the game (vs a 50% chance of 2 different anti-town factions) and scum can just lie about it anyway, I don't think I would trust a 3P Benign or benign groupscum claim.
I've not played in any Grand Idea style games before. Is massclaim on the table? I don't think it's alignment indicative but it would hold people accountable. I would propose starting with Herta (who has already narrowed his claim down to 4) and popcorning from there. Thoughts?-
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I kind of do, but it doesn't need to be so early.In post 63, Kokichi Oma wrote:
I think page 3 is a little early for mass claiming here. Unless you have something to gain from this.
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In a mini game like this, there are 3 factions guaranteed: town, a "true groupscum", and a random non-town 3rd alignment. 36 has a list of all possible alignments. So we guaranteed have something from the first list, and we have something from any of the four lists.
Herta is claiming this. From what I understand, most (if not all) groupscum have a miller name associated with them, so herta should at least know one of the groupscum in the game. If it's not a true groupscum, we will know that there are no solo 3p; if it is true groupscum it offers less info.In post 198, Not Known 15 wrote: Universal Miller(Must pick)
You must pick this role if you recieve it in picks unless you would also be forced to pick the other recieved role, then you may choose.
Other roles always treat you as a vanilla role of the groupscum alignment with the smallest amount of members at game start(randomize if tied).
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But, like, cops have names based on groupscum present, just like millers (if I'm understanding the game's flavour correctly). So if you are saying your role is actually Miller, that narrows it down to Conspirators or Guardians (and your role explicitly says that if you are a miller for Conspirators you would show up as a vanilla townie). That said...In post 58, Herta wrote:
This is fair. There's nothing scum gains here other than a heads up. It's a universal miller which means that my check returns the smallest faction that exists at the beginning of the game. Which I think will be useful to learn. I don't know what that faction is so I'm curious myself. So if there's a cop with a shot they don't have a good idea about, take it on me.In post 52, Aisa wrote: On a semi-related note, I can't think of a super obvious reason for why Herta shouldn't full claim, I don't think not knowing the exact flavour of miller will cause scum to slip or anything like that.
I think this is just as likely (especially since I don't think there's anything preventing multiples of the same role rolling? But I'm not sure). Roughly 10% chance of anyone getting this role (26 picks out of 252) vs the 1 in 13 of Conspirators being the groupscum in this game. I don't think it's unreasonable to say one of these is true, but a must-pick role being present at all in the list is convenient. For the record, I do think claiming miller right away is the right choice (others may disagree), but I'm not a fan of how slow getting any other info out of you was.In post 130, Herta wrote: I could've picked it out of the abloaf thread and hoped no one actually got it.
In either case, if we see two alignments outside of {Conspirators, Guardians} we should eliminate Herta IMO.
@Temporal, mind expanding a bit on your KittyTacky read? Also on how your read on me changed from 78 to 133?-
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I got 3 factions and not 4 from the following:In post 149, Herta wrote: I return vanilla [smallest groupscum faction at the beginning of the game]. It says nothing about conspirators or guardians or any other faction other than town of course. Walk me through this like I'm 5, please.
According to the setup we have 4 factions, so I don't know why you're speculating on how many there are.
I also don't know what you mean by slow to get information out of me. I'm not on a timetable. And even if I were, what difference does/did it make?
One faction from any of the lists. One faction from True Groupscum. Town. Those are the three factions.In post 1, MegAzumarill wrote: 1. The moderator rolls 1d4. This corresponds to one of the 4 faction lists below.
2. The moderator rolls a random number from 1 to the number of entries in the corresponding list to determine what is present in the game.
3. The moderator rolls an additional number on the True Groupscum list.
As I said, I might be misunderstanding how flavour works. My understanding was that 'Miller', 'Cop', 'Mason', etc would be changed to match whichever faction it is reflecting/investigating/excluding. For example, in the Dark Creatures entry, Miller is listed as 'Abyssal'. So my expectation is that your card would read Universal Must-Pick Abyssal. So either I'm wrong about how the role flavourings work (which, I'll be honest, is definitely a possibility), or we're in a setup where you would return as a Guardian/Conspirator (since those are the only two groupscum that would have Miller as Miller), or you're antitown who wanted to claim miller early but didn't know about miller flavour, and it's this last possibility that has me so fixated on sorting your claim.-
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Sorry, I think I'm expecting a lot more out of this than I can get, and have been hyperfocusing way too much. I was hoping at least to learn one of the groupscum factions so we could try to plan around it. I can take a step back; I think I've said what I need to about my thoughts on the miller claim anyway.In post 155, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: I also am not sure where is everyone going with the miller discussions.
A player claims miller. how is that too "specific" to not be claimed by scum? how is that a bad play if they are town?
its just a normal miller claim and I don't see anything we can get out of it by talking about it in day 1. I wish instead of that people would talk about their reads and how they feel about each other.-
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Sorry, lost track of time!
This reasoning makes sense to me.In post 238, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Because now I've cornered them into them NEEDING to have a reason. Later in the game if it comes to a point that their role doesn't have a reason for this, then they are caught lying.
I'm Smart huh?
I don't think there's a point because, with the meta janitor, it makes it SUPER easy to just lie about, and I don't think that there's any AI info to glean from it.In post 250, Enchant wrote: Should we share discards
I'm starting to have doubts about Gimli.In post 367, Gimli wrote: now the good players figure out if this is worth its salt and we either move elsewhere or do what y'all want
UNVOTE: I'd be ok with a TL elimination today. I'm not keen on some of Enchant's reactions (specifically how Enchant reacted to the VT discard claim) so I'm not sure why people are saying Enchant comes out looking town from that exchange.-
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To my understanding Doctor Drew didn't pick Meta-Neighbour; by TL picking it, Doctor Drew's slot was brought into the neighbourhood.In post 394, Aisa wrote: Summary of claims so far:
Herta
Pick: Universal Miller (Must Pick)
TemporalLich
Pick: Meta-Neighbour
Discard: Extension
Doctor Drew
Pick: Meta-Neighbour
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Discard: Vanilla
Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu
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I'm debating whether I should force the claim issue or wait a day to prove myself. I will say I have a role that is difficult for scum to interfere with and works best when coordinated with town. I have a back-up plan if we decide to not coordinate.-
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You're right in that we don't know how big they are, but we. do. know. how. many. factions. there. are.In post 404, Herta wrote: I don't really understand the importance of associatives in this game, at least at this point, when we don't know the number of factions and what they are/how big they are.-
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I just realized there is only one multitasking role in the deck and that factions don't have multitasking by default. I think there's a lot to gain from coordinating, and I think it's better to use these early. I'ma claim.
If we can't coordinate, I'm turning on hail for the next 2 days. Since it would stop all targeted abilities, that means no nightkills until N3. Drawback is, nothing targeted like cops until then either, but I think the good outweighs the bad. My ability activates during the day and since there are no day roleblockers, it will go through. Daylight Cult do get a factional daykill D2, though, so 1 in 13 chance of things going south with that option.In post 103, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Cloud Seeder
Twice per game during the day, choose one. It will be announced by the end of the day:
- Rain- Each player who uses a targeted action tonight will be announced tomorrow.
- Hail- All targeted actions passively fail tonight, and any limited abilities prevented this way will be refunded a shot if used.
- Fog- All targeted actions will be randomized tonight.
- Snow- Each player who is targeted by an action tonight will be announced tomorrow.
As fun as fog would be (especially if I got this role as scum!), I'm not choosing that option.
Depending on what roles we have, we should work with Rain or Snow. Rain could help us figure out if there's someone using a faction ability when they claim a passive ability. If we decide on targets, because of a lack of multitasking we can organize that and see who wasn't targeted but should have been (or at least get some information about what's going on there). Either way, as I said, my role works best with coordination and is difficult to disrupt (I'm painting a pretty big target on myself if groupscum is worried about this triggering twice). I want a massclaim so we can organize. If it doesn't happen, then I'll just be picking hail.-
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If we don't massclaim but do want to use an investigative rather than overprotective, I think I prefer rain>snow.-
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In post 422, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
yeah that's what I saidIn post 389, Enchant wrote:
Incorrect.In post 387, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: So it looks like taking the meta-neighbor role did not guarantee TLich would have a partner in it?
TLich already had hood during discards and knew who is in it.
If TLich pick Meta Neighbour, hood are not closed.
If Meta Neighbour discarded, this hood closes, but continues to exist.
why would he pick it if no one was in it though?
Bolded relevant part of the role - during the role selection stage, the random player will already be in the neighbourhood. They can then discuss whether to keep this role or to close the neighbourhood.In post 11, TemporalLich wrote: You have access to a meta-neighborhood PT with another random playerif this card is one of the role cards you can pick.-
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Seems like a discussion point. I think it would be better. Kokichi disagrees. I feel like it would make people accountable and if we plan things right we could glean more information than otherwise. Drawback is, scum know what roles are in the game.In post 424, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: Are we claiming things to determine what Marashu is doing?-
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With rain, just who acts.
With snow, just who is the target.
I think if it also gave action (x did y) it would defeat the purpose of the game.-
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Snow would be useful in the case of someone saying "I'm going to target x tonight." If x was not targeted and y dies when nobody claimed they would target y, barring shenanigans we'd have a good place to start looking for scum.-
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And in the case where all targets are accounted for, there'd be a decent chance one of the non-target roles (like miller or neighbour or janitor) have a faction ability. That said, if they show up with rain, there'd be even less doubt.-
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I was in one game with KittyTacky. I find it hard to say whether this is true or not, because in that game town!KittyTacky was under pressure pretty much from the start. I think a major difference between the two is how much KittyTacky was quoting other players to engage or as reference for his posts. Contrast that with:In post 494, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Does anyone have meta with kitty? is this true?In post 339, KittyTacky wrote: I got distracted. Honestly yeah, TL's page 10 posts are scummy imo.
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In post 503, Gimli wrote: lich, are there jesters in the setup?In post 177, Not Known 15 wrote: Benign third party introduction:Deathseeker
At Night 1, you may choose a number amongst 4, 5 and 6 and 7
If you choose 4 you must die during the 4th day or night of the game.
If you choose 5 you must die during the 5th day or night of the game.
If you choose 6 you must die during the 6th day or night of the game.
If you choose 7 you must die after the 6th day and the 6th night of the game have passed.
If you succeed you win the game and leave.
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Make a comment on one thing, just one thing, about the current game state.In post 516, Yume wrote: I wish to be able to post content, I really do, but it's still D1 and that's when I am still in the 'floundering' stage.-
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I sent in my action around when TL reached E-2 (at around 470). I wanted to see if anyone would try rushing "before I could send an action in". Forecast is calling for hail.In post 537, Kokichi Oma wrote: I think I'm fine with Hail if that's the consensus. Mara I think you should choose though.-
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I'm against going for Yume because there's nothing there. There's no content worth mentioning in the ISO, and no game-advancing content from Sat Jan 28, 2023 6:47 am - Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:14 pm (the post on Jan 31 was a prodge at best).
I'm fascinated by N_M voting for KT. Someone with better meta on N_M, is this something town!N_M would do? Or is this just a game-advancing prodge?
I think I'm ready to vote TL. I would vote it now but I'm kinda curious to see if KT will be delivering the promised catch-up from 504. I know there would be more time to do a catch-up during the night, but this way at least we're holding KT accountable. But if nobody else wants to wait I'd be fine with TL being the D1 elimination.
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Realized my reasoning was unclear. I don't think activity is indicative of alignment, and would rather not risk losing a townie just because they aren't playing. At the same time, this shouldn't be condoned and I understand why this could be a policy elim. I'd rather just try finding scum, though.In post 553, Marashu wrote: I'm against going for Yume because there's nothing there. There's no content worth mentioning in the ISO, and no game-advancing content from Sat Jan 28, 2023 6:47 am - Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:14 pm (the post on Jan 31 was a prodge at best).
PEdit - yeah, I could see that regarding KT. I'd also be ok with a KT elimination.-
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My ability causes all targeted actions to fail
KT's ability, if it fails, causes an untargeted unstoppable kill.
If KT is town and assuming not Daylight Cult, we could get 3 elims and 2 vig shots before any scum/3P night actions.-
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From what I understand, it goes through on the original intended target. So yes.-
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DONEIn post 643, KittyTacky wrote: My phone autocorrects vig to big.
New role: the Big. Armed with a minigun and over 300 bullets to gun down scum with.-
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1 shot of weather remaining, yes.
I'd rather not - it helps us sort you if we can know why you're picking who you pick. So... this might have an obvious answer but I'm going to ask anyway, why Yume?-
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My question is why they didn't go even lower-quality and say they had a guilty on Herta?In post 690, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: Are you shitting me? I think a better question is why did those two think it was a good idea to drop such low-quality bait into the thread?-
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We don't have Dragoon as the Any faction.
I genuinely don't think we have Doom Seekers as the Groupscum faction, judging from flavour (this faction has flavour-related effects).
We'll probably find out if we have Daylight Cult today; they get a day faction kill on even days (they can use it at night, and while it can't be blocked by things that happen simultaneously, it can be blocked by existing effects, so hail would block it. If they want a kill they need to do it during the day).
Because it was mentioned that we might have multiple groupscum hunting each other, it is worth noting that most Compleationists don't know they are scum (only one starts the game as knowing they are scum, but they know who their team is and needs to "recruit" them to wake them up). I'm not convinced we're in this setup but don't want to rule it out; we might be in a situation with 1 informed scum and a solo 3P (benign or otherwise).
I thought it was possible TL was unrecruited Conspirator, but TL would have flipped without alignment if that were the case. Conspirators was my #1 pick before, but I am less convinced now.-
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Dragoon - 3rd party who needs to be in final 3, and steals win from other factionsIn post 735, Kokichi Oma wrote:
I have 0 clue what some of these are. I'm assuming no day kills or we would have had one yesterday?In post 733, Marashu wrote: We don't have Dragoon as the Any faction.
I genuinely don't think we have Doom Seekers as the Groupscum faction, judging from flavour (this faction has flavour-related effects).
We'll probably find out if we have Daylight Cult today; they get a day faction kill on even days (they can use it at night, and while it can't be blocked by things that happen simultaneously, it can be blocked by existing effects, so hail would block it. If they want a kill they need to do it during the day).
Because it was mentioned that we might have multiple groupscum hunting each other, it is worth noting that most Compleationists don't know they are scum (only one starts the game as knowing they are scum, but they know who their team is and needs to "recruit" them to wake them up). I'm not convinced we're in this setup but don't want to rule it out; we might be in a situation with 1 informed scum and a solo 3P (benign or otherwise).
I thought it was possible TL was unrecruited Conspirator, but TL would have flipped without alignment if that were the case. Conspirators was my #1 pick before, but I am less convinced now.
Doom Seeker - group scum who get stronger by targeting other players.
Daylight Cult - can only attack on even numbered day/nights (so no daykill D1), and can recruit on day 3 and every 4 days after that.
Compleationists - kind of confusing, but only one is "awake" and the rest are sleeper agents. The awake one can recruit the sleepers at night by targeting them, and if ever it's only sleepers alive, one sleeper will wake up at random.
Conspirators - passive godfathers. They have 1 (at this game size) who isn't in the scum PT (who loses if not recruited and their partners die). Their partners have a list of players who could be the scum who is not in the group PT, but for every potential member, there's someone else on the list who is not aligned to them. They can pull someone from the list into their PT, but the risk is that if they pull the person who is not on their team, that person then has full access to the scum PT and could rat them out. People are told if they are on "the list".-
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Aisa, did you ever get a chance to look at anyone else? Where are you at right now?-
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I thought it was about word length (going 3 or 4 letters) but there's a 5-letter word in there. Also went through the role list and couldn't find anything that would do this (besides Fuyuhiko's claimed Witch role, but that looked like it was specific words). From the way you're posting, is this restriction self-imposed?In post 711, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: any ways eno ugh soft clai ming
I can full claim end of day. Thin king ab out it
Yeah, that's what I was talking about. What do you make of Enchant right now?In post 762, Aisa wrote:
Assuming you're talking about that comment I made last gameday. I did look at a few other posters, but settled back onto TL because I townleaned a lot of the active posters. I still think the main thing is getting a read on some of the more lurky slots. I wouldn't quite call Fuyuhiko and Kyoko lurky but I also haven't thought a lot about them. I think there can quite easily be a lot of scum in {KT, NM, Kyoko, Fuyuhiko, Drew}, the thing is figuring out if that's the right read of the gamestate.In post 737, Marashu wrote: Aisa, did you ever get a chance to look at anyone else? Where are you at right now?
It might be clear to you but it's not necessarily clear to anyone else; I think the way you claimed was fine. I feel like you're tearing yourself apart with this despite the fact that Kyoko hasn't said anything about that posting pattern being because of you. And if Kyoko does come out and say it, that will raise lots of questions.In post 768, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: Also, clearly claiming my role early on was a fucking mistake.-
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In post 774, Herta wrote: That could have broke or
Marashu could have been lying.
To Group: Was there anyone else who didn't submit?In post 666, MegAzumarill wrote:
It started to hail in the town! Any player using a targeted action will fail tonight!
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Still worth the group answering in case any other shenanigans happened-
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On second thought, no.-
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Questions like, how did it get through? Some sort of strongman ability? Or are you lying? What's the scum motivation for trying to say that you were post-restricted by Fuyuhiko? What words are actually censored? What's the motivation for Fuyuhiko targeting you but denying it? Are we in a game with an ability-copying role? Should we just 1-for-1 this because there is scum between you and Fuyuhiko? Those kinds of questions.In post 793, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
What kind of questionsIn post 772, Marashu wrote:
It might be clear to you but it's not necessarily clear to anyone else; I think the way you claimed was fine. I feel like you're tearing yourself apart with this despite the fact that Kyoko hasn't said anything about that posting pattern being because of you. And if Kyoko does come out and say it, that will raise lots of questions.In post 768, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: Also, clearly claiming my role early on was a fucking mistake.
Rise them please
Right now I'm looking at Doctor Drew. Didn't like his reaction to the obviously very real and not at all troll guilties at day start. I remember vaguely thinking at the time of his entrance D1 that he was repeating similar opinions, but I would need to actually reread that part of the thread and not just look at ISO for it.In post 803, Kokichi Oma wrote: It's time to play my favorite game: Everyone give me your biggest scumread and the reason as to why. Best answer gets my vote-
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Those questions only really applied if you were actually claiming that you were post restricted through hail, though? So until you actually came out and accused Fuyuhiko (which you didn't), my questions there didn't matter. You've explained your reasoning for what you were doing. As for conclusions/questions, I can tell you were testing Fuyuhiko's role, but what did you glean out of Fuyuhiko's alignment from that?In post 829, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: You know I was lying now. what's your conclusions/questions and why not ask them yet?-
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So "repeating similar opinions" might not have been the best wording, but it all felt kind of surface level. But I also see now that you admitted in the post I was thinking of that it was surface level.In post 851, Doctor Drew wrote: Mara, can you clarify what you mean by 'repeating similar opinions'? I skimmed the thread somewhat before I replaced in, and then a bit more after I officially joined, those were my quick slight observations about the game at the time.
And as far as my reaction to enchant and not Mafia. I saw the two guiltys right in a row, first was confused of the false guiltys and then why they posted basically at the same time. Then remembered it was hailing and really thought I caught scum in some sort of gambit, which is why I kept saying that besides me being town, there is one other big reason why this is impossible. Then I realized it was all probably a reaction test, and trolling by Not Mafia, and I stopped paying attention to it, especially after Not Mafia said he was a gunsmith.
I feel a bit dumb I didn't immediately think reaction test first, but not the first time that has happened sadly lol.
^ this was something that caused TL to get a lot of scrutiny in early game, so 6 pages later it wasn't really a bold take.In post 228, Doctor Drew wrote: TL changing their Mara for no reason.....when Mara was the first town ping I got was a bit....weird?
I thought this one was just kind of echoing your previous statement, but when I look back, it's also wrong? I called it out first in the post immediately following TL's list, but besides myself, the first one to really challenge the shift in opinion was Aisa in 144.In post 228, Doctor Drew wrote: And it was Kiki...or Kyoko, sorry I am gonna fuck that up a lot(damn anime names and avatars), who called that out as well......seems towny(or at least not the same alignment as TL).
I think I stand corrected on this one, since at the time KT was under some scrutiny for not engaging. I'm curious about what changed your tune at the time, considering the next time you mention KT is when you vote for that slot at the end of D1.In post 228, Doctor Drew wrote: There was something I didn't like about Kitty's early posting, but changed my tuned as I kept skimming, will revisit that as I read the thread again.
My bigger concern is the reaction. Scum have a harder time noticing jokes than town. The reasoning was explained to me a while ago but I'm not great at explaining it, but basically because they have more that they need to think about in their reactions, they have a hard time picking up on it. Not a flawless way of scumhunting by a long shot, but in a recent game I was in I caught someone who missed several jokes, got talked out of pursuing them, and sure enough, they were scum. I can see scum!Doctor prioritizing diverting suspicion over laughing at the joke, even if it was clearly a joke.
I don't like that pretty much the instant I said I wanted to look at your slot there were suddenly 3 votes there - it's making me paranoid.
PEdit - Gimli, if we're in a conspirator game then there would be someone who is Lone, yes. I had thought that TL might have been that, to be honest. Aisa mentioned that I was probably wrong since Herta's role name was Universal Miller and not Miller.
N_M, your type change makes Whitney sad.-
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Darn, not Aisa. Someone else. Let me find who.-
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Or I'm blind (in my defense, it was hidden by spoiler tags). 170-
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TLDR is that in the setup post, mod says there's one true groupscum and one "Any" alignment (could be solo or another groupscum). So it's 2 non-town alignments in the game.In post 964, Gimli wrote:ah, I see. so we're not necessarily playing against that groupscum.
you and enchant mentioned us knowing how many factions there are in the game. I'm not sure I read why or, if I did, I didn't understand.-
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Not many other strongman effects that I could see that didn't need very specific circumstances. (there might be some hiding in wording though)
Doom Seekers do get factional strong man, but they're the group I'm most sure is not in the game because part of what their faction does is mess with flavour.
Did KT take that role as scum? Ehhh, maybe? If so, then scum could have a faction kill every night if they suspect a town roleblocker or protective roles. It seems strange that KT would claim it if scum, though.-
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Not against it. I'd want to make sure we're coordinated if we do it though.In post 969, Gimli wrote:
let's bring this to the table today?In post 429, Marashu wrote: Snow would be useful in the case of someone saying "I'm going to target x tonight." If x was not targeted and y dies when nobody claimed they would target y, barring shenanigans we'd have a good place to start looking for scum.-
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If we're not using hail, absolutely. If we are going another round of hail, then maybe? I still think there's some advantage to it but I can certainly see the arguments against.-
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Basically a fruit vendor. A few roles and a couple alignments (most notably Mysterious Electricians) use the energy, but there's no guarantee they are in the game.-
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Oh, but a couple places reference that mysterious energy might do something in a game:In post 9, TemporalLich wrote: Mod Note: This role charges someone with a mysterious energy indefinitely. (Roles like Mysterious Eidolon can lose mysterious energy charge)
Still, have fun figuring out what being charged with a mysterious energy does.
So it's possible that you do something and only Mod knows what.In post 15, Jake The Wolfie wrote: If Mysterious Energy remains undefined, then the moderator may decide what Mysterious Energy does.-
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Conspirators is the name of the groupscum. Lone is a member of the groupscum but are not in the scum PT and do not know who their teammates are. The ones in the PT have a list of POSSIBLE teammates, but half the list will be people who are not on their team. For example, with these players:In post 997, Kokichi Oma wrote: Can someone explain how this conspirators works? Confused on that one. They don't know mafia and mafia knows them?
A - Conspirator
B - Conspirator
C- Lone Conspirator
D - Town
E - Town
A and B would share a PT. C wins with A and B, but if both A and B are removed from the game, C loses. A and B receive a list, saying either C or D is their partner. They can choose to bring in anyone on the list. If they choose C, C is no longer a loner, and will not lose if A and B are removed from the game. However, if they choose to bring D in to the PT, that means there's a townie with full access to the scum PT. D is also informed that they are on the list, so D would know that it's possible to get recruited, and would know that it's a conspirator game. C and D also don't flip their alignments on death.-
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Um, what? This... but... the Picks PM has alignment in it, so you know what alignment you are when you pick..? What?-
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I think this makes is more likely that you do have the must pick miller role.-
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Maybe? The setup doesn't go into exact number, just that the mod should balance alignments. The example provided has 9:3:1. I don't know if that would become 9:2:2 or 8:3:2 or 7:3:3, but if it's 7:3:3 this is going to be a very difficult game.In post 1011, Kokichi Oma wrote:
I was under the impression of possibly 4 total scum. so it could be as many as 6? with 3 in each?In post 966, Marashu wrote:
TLDR is that in the setup post, mod says there's one true groupscum and one "Any" alignment (could be solo or another groupscum). So it's 2 non-town alignments in the game.In post 964, Gimli wrote:ah, I see. so we're not necessarily playing against that groupscum.
you and enchant mentioned us knowing how many factions there are in the game. I'm not sure I read why or, if I did, I didn't understand.-
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So what weather do you forecast would yield the best results for town?In post 1066, Enchant wrote: Yes kinda-
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Feeling wiped today. Will effort more tomorrow.-
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I don't think N_M and Drew are both scum together.
I think there's a good chance of scum being in {Aisa,Drew}. Slightly leaning more towards Aisa for a couple reasons. I wasn't a fan of where Aisa landed for the scum POE (it seemed kind of low-reaching), and the post Aisa use for reference to townread Enchant seems a bit weak? (840 referencing 809). But I'm also concerned that I don't see as much suspicion as I would expect from this slot. For example:
In post 842, Aisa wrote: It's more that I at least townlean everyone else!
I know Aisa said this playerlist seems to be cautious with votes, and I can see that, but I am seeing more scrutiny from a lot of other slots. Even looking at Aisa's case on Fuyuhiko, I see a lot of hesitance. I can't tell if this is just because Aisa is checked out or not, but there seems to be something tonally off for this slot? But I haven't played with Aisa before.In post 1030, Aisa wrote: I've touched on this slightly, but I voted Fuyuhiko partly to vote someone.
Even though I'm townleaning Gimli currently, I think an {Aisa, Gimli} scumpair is possible. Hm. As I'm going through the playlist, there are a few players I could see as partners with scum!Aisa (namely Gimli, Herta, Enchant, Kokichi). I'm having a harder time seeing that with Doctor Drew (which, I guess if you are scum, good job?)
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Um, are you talking about when Gimli decided to re-evaluate Aisa in 947? So far as I could tell, that ended with 988.In post 1084, Doctor Drew wrote: Does Gimli saying they don't town read Aisa make you take pause at their possibly of a scum pair? Or are you just dismissing that as wifom.
And then you say stuff like this. Posts like 917 and 926 really do sound like you could see them as scum together, so I'm not sure why you don't think so here? What has changed?And in the flip side of that, not sure I could see Herta and Aisa scum together (and I obviously feel like Herta is the scummier of the two, but I am also not opposed to voting Aisa).
I put this one down because I could see it as a possibility; the reasons for Aisa excluding Enchant from the scum POE seemed a bit weak to me.I can't really comment about Enchant and Aisa, outside of there fake guilty, nothing really sticks out that could connect them.
This one might be me being paranoid, but yeah, I'm not seeing much scrutiny here between the two slots. Or rather, after doing an ISO on Kokichi, this might just be on Aisa's end. Like, I've liked some of Kokichi's reasoning elsewhere in the game, but I also feel like I would regret taking my eyes off Kokichi.Koki and Aisa I could see, if I remember correctly (and thise damn anime avatars have me all confused lol) there hasn't been much between them that isn't, too me at least, superficial.-
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UNVOTE: Aisa
There are a few things that get around weather, all kind of specific. N_M, is it your role or someone else's role that let you get your guilty through hail?
Flipping N_M to confirm the guilty on Drew might not be bad, but N_M might be town here. I think if we're getting rid of N_M, the slot should be voted, not vigged.