Mini Normal 2289 - Postgame

[furtiveglance]

Welcome to New York

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Moving swiftly on

My score is 9/13

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@all

Do you think there's a cost to posting even though there's no post limit? Should we be trying to keep our post counts low?

To clarify my first post, 8 I thought was AI for scum until I read 9, FWIW.

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@Brickwall

I want to know if you can defend 10 and 11 as being NAI and I also want you to post a full reads list by page 4.

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@furtiveglance

6 any reason you started so differently here than you did in Masque? This sort of low key start reminds me more of your traitor game in Community 2.

7 what are you talking about here?

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@CSF

Anything you want to add to that?

Hello Frog

I started differently to previous games because it's not the same game and I don't repeat stuff

I'm sure you can work out what my score means

Full readslist by page 4 please.

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Dionysus, I'm not the Mayor, and I have already made a pun in this game

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Uh..................... I'm sheeping Dionysus?>


Hello?

Why sheep me?

Where's the fun in that?

Do people play mafia for fun?

Fun is actually often -EV for town

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I think I can see how you got there, and it does make more sense if you're town than scum.

Well done

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i'm so happy

Happy Feet

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VOTE: Eiralox

That feels like a scum entrance. Why are you sheeping Dionysus onto a vote on someone who hasn't confirmed their PM?

I think this post is bad

I also am liking brickwall's most recent posts

Bad as in bad reasoning or scummy?

I'm guessing the latter - if T3 townread you but thought you were wrong they would probably say that

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frogsterking with a lot of busy work, probscum.

brickwall sharing their life story most definitely scum.

furtive making conversation all game also scum.

VOTE: furtive

by reading this post and not voting for scum you are... also scum.

What do you think about furtive? He hasn't voted anyone but has 5 interactions in 8 posts.

Is this a serious read?

[furtiveglance]

frogsterking with a lot of busy work, probscum.

brickwall sharing their life story most definitely scum.

furtive making conversation all game also scum.

VOTE: furtive

by reading this post and not voting for scum you are... also scum.

I like this post (minus the bit about me being scum of course), and particularly the vote on Furtive.

They are present but not contributing to finding scum.

VOTE: Furtive

Yeah, I didn't see you 'finding scum' either. There wasn't really much to read into when I was last on

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frogsterking with a lot of busy work, probscum.

brickwall sharing their life story most definitely scum.

furtive making conversation all game also scum.

VOTE: furtive

by reading this post and not voting for scum you are... also scum.

I kinda agree with the Furtive read.

Can you tell me who else has made a (serious) scumread so far? All I can see is Frogsterking's STD point being repeated by you

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VOTE: Brickwall

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frogsterking with a lot of busy work, probscum.

brickwall sharing their life story most definitely scum.

furtive making conversation all game also scum.

VOTE: furtive

by reading this post and not voting for scum you are... also scum.

I kinda agree with the Furtive read.

Can you tell me who else has made a (serious) scumread so far? All I can see is Frogsterking's STD point being repeated by you

People have also been forming Townreads or actually trying to solve more than you have so far. It wasn’t your lack of scumreads but your lack of any meaningful content despite several posts.

I gave out a townread, did you miss it?

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Yes

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Brickwall, do you have a read on Save The Dragons?

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do you really expect me to find scum by page 7

relatable

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VOTE: T3

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Game will improve with replacements for sure.

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Let me clarify then, game will improve when either those players return or are replaced

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Welcome to the game

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I'm tempted to Town NM's entrance, do you think I'm making a terrible mistake? It's my intention to go 3/3 in my scum reads about halfway through D1.

Probably a terrible mistake yeah

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When's the teamsolve dropping

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VOTE: T3

VOTE: T3

where did this come from?

VOTE: Frogster
no

VOTE: Frogster
no

No what?

You're latching on to NAI stuff in order to start discussion

Which is fair tbh

VOTE: Eiralox

That feels like a scum entrance. Why are you sheeping Dionysus onto a vote on someone who hasn't confirmed their PM?

I think this post is bad

I also am liking brickwall's most recent posts

You seem a bit restless

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I respect a fellow high-level thinker

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definitely one of my favourite levels to think at^

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more like see-saw

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I mean the sensation of wanting to post but not being sure what to say

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The ones I quoted, especially when you give two contradictory statements on Frog in one post

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The ones I quoted, especially when you give two contradictory statements on Frog in one post

Oh yeah, I should get more sleep

I can't really defend against this - my post about Frog came from a place of mild exasperation about Frog's playstyle.

I understand

I thought it might be trying to look like you were thinking

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I don't think Eiralox needs or wants coaching

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I don't think Eiralox needs or wants coaching

i need an ice cream

You towny baby

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Dionysus townreading furtive is kind of interesting -

I feel like furtive has a scummy meta at face value

until you get to know him. Though I suppose it's plausible if you believe his T3 read

but the rest of Dionysus' responses aren't as bad as I was expecting ngl

It's deliberate, so that people lower the bar for me

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VOTE: Save The Dragons

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How we doin here

Everyone voting wrong again

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Do you think you should be obvious town?

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How we doin here

Everyone voting wrong again

It depends on whether the NM slot is scum. It's in my team solve currently but it's the slot I'm less confident on compared to the other two.

Why are you voting your 3rd strongest scumread

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Yeah there are rules against that for good reasons^

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Sorry about my alt^

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oh...i wasn't....

i dreamed that...i dreamed about mafia...oh no

average mafia enjoyer

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furtive seems more... agreeable? than i'm used to. would anyone who's played with him more than i have care to comment

Do you scumread me? It's hard not to see this as shading (or 'seed planting' as Brickwall would say)

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Yeah I think Cephrir is dodgy. Not for the Lycanfire comment about Dionysus but the way Cephrir handled my slot which his predecessor pushed on. I've caught scum replacements for having stagnant scumreads before

VOTE: Cephrir

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It's only E-2

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Are you gonna screw tin eyes then

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I can help you if you want
I think Frogsterking is town
PenguinPower less strong read but townlean
Not_Mafia is fairly laconic as either alignment

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Yeah I think Cephrir is dodgy. Not for the Lycanfire comment about Dionysus but the way Cephrir handled my slot which his predecessor pushed on. I've caught scum replacements for having stagnant scumreads before

VOTE: Cephrir

Can you explain this in greater detail? I asked one question to sanity check myself... Do you disagree that your behavior is different here compared to other games we've played together?

I think it's similar to the beginning of Temple yeah

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Long time no see everyone
Time to rapidly vibe check you all
I just gave away that I read the last few pages

I don't see the CSF or Enchant scumreads, they seem to be playing like they always do to me

Brickwall trending downwards
Cephrir looks like he's lolcatting in some posts

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CSF, what are your reads at the moment?

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I agree with your top 3 and bottom 1^

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Very well then.

I'm not voting you now, or soon to be frank. I like Dionysus's current vote, not seeing T3 having their head in the game here if I'm frank.

End transmission.


(those are a lot franks!)

I'm interested to see what T3 says their current thoughts are. To clarify, I mean like a vulture is interested in a possibly dying person, not like I'm interested to see the new Ant-Man film.

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CSF, what are your reads at the moment?

Town

Frogsterking, Eiralox, Brickwalll
Save the Dragons, Cephrir, Penguin, furtiveglance
T3, Not_Mafia, Enchant - null
Dionysus, Alchemist21

Scum

Cephrir - the hot take - I think his emotion towards Frogs is genuine. How he reacted has only damaged his position in the game. That can be a scum fuck up sure, but I think it's unlikely that Cephrir in particular misplays that this poorly as scum. To Alchemist's point about waiting for Enchant to produce more content before meta'ing him, Ceph was actively getting wagoned; there's kind of a need to produce content faster than usual when you're under pressure.

Save the Dragons - I liked his interaction with Cephrir earlier, felt towny for him.

Dionysus - in addition to what I've talked about already, I feel like he's been reactive so far and has been talking to me as if he assumes I'm town. I kind of want to stop interacting with him for a bit, and see what he does from here.

Alchemist21 - The cogdis is a good point, and some of his posts have felt pocket-y.

I'll probably make a list and then we can be list buddies

I want certain players to talk first though so it's more useful

About Cephrir specifically, how do you think scum!Cephrir would play if Frogsterking was correctly pushing his slot, even for a weird/dumb reason?

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StD what made you scumread Cephrir in Temple? Can you pinpoint anything you're seeing that's different this game?

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You got me on board for Cephrir now

I just think he feels more similar to Temple than Warrior Cats

He's bitter rather than detached

I've been thinking about the difference

Why did you get off? and why Alchemist?

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yes^

cooking up a readslist right now

Anyone who posts before I finish it can petition to be locktown

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reads

Frogsterking
PenguinPower
Dionysus
Eiralox

Alchemist
CSF
STD
Enchant
NM

Brickwall
T3
Cephrir

I'll move since everyone else did but I'd like to queue up a Cephrir vote for tomorrow or future

VOTE: T3

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thanks for the welcome wagon love

I also need you to elaborate why you sr me. Have a good day cute stuff

Hey love you don't need to talk to him

I like this multiquote, respected acquaintance

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Because urine is null to me - necessary but not insanely fun

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Really need to stop doing that : /

Is that your alt? What is that image even supposed to mean?

I think it's supposed to be lightly mocking

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just cos i'm dumb don't mean Penguin is town

Alchemist u finna claim here?

If someone declares intent to put me to E-1 I will. I’m assuming NM is just gonna quickhammer any wagon that hits E-1.

I see you've moved your vote to Enchant. How confident are you in cephrir scum now?

A lot less actually.

It started feeling like Cephrir felt like he had no backup, and I thought it might be that his teammates were just absent or didn’t care.

As more people chimed in though, I figured that could only be true if the team was exactly Cephrir, Brickwall, and NM. I did have some suspicion on Brickwall but my read hinged on the response they provided. Not enough people make sense as a partner.

Was it just a sense of bitterness/salt itself that made you think this, or something else? What made you think it was about more than just the push on Cephrir himself?

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pivot to T3 anyone?

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Hello all

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i forgot everything about this game overnight

It's Cephrir, Not_Mafia, T3 as Mafia and CSF as SK

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Because you're about to claim your guilty on someone completely different

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How do we feel about NK analysis

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depends on the anylsis

I think T3 is less likely to make that kill because Frogsterking was defending him quite hard

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VOTE: Cephrir

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furtive you should get a new schtick, this one is tired

i dont see nk analysis as terribly useful when the most obvtown slot dies? am i off base here

VOTE: enchant

I could do this all day - Mr Rogers

I think T3 would only kill Frogsterking if he was right about most other things, like if it was exactly CSF/NM/T3

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Alternatively T3 just did the big brain play

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Join the wagon. Soar like a dragon. Drink from a flagon

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VOTE: Eiralox
I really don't like the way they positioned themself around the Alchemist wagon. There was no attempt to read Alchemist, and the only time Eiralox even mentions Alchemist when he was being voted was to say that "we should give Alchemist a chance."

This all happened as Eiralox fluffed the thread and put a vanity vote on Penguin.

What if you had to choose Cephrir or Enchant

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I'd like to queue up a vote on Not_Mafia since that's probably my closest thing to a scumread that overlapped with Frogsterking's

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Cephrir is openly pocketing the Penguin

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CSF come and reveal yourself

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VOTE: Cephrir

Eiralox, you better be going somewhere with this... that's E-2 on Cephrir, please declare intent to E-1 before hammering

Welcome aboard

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This is the most sus wagon lmao

Yeah not loving the wagon on you.

I think the fact CSF is trying so hard to push Ceph whilst ignoring the enchant wagon actually makes me think the enchant wagon is correct.

I would ask for an enchant lim today.

If we're doing pre-flips, look at T3. Keeping their hands clean at the moment but motioning to vote Enchant at the same time. That makes me think Cephrir/T3 is correct.

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I haven't played a completed game with Eiralox yet as far as I know, but I think they're town for the positions they're taking wrt other players

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This is the most sus wagon lmao

Yeah not loving the wagon on you.

I think the fact CSF is trying so hard to push Ceph whilst ignoring the enchant wagon actually makes me think the enchant wagon is correct.

I would ask for an enchant lim today.

If we're doing pre-flips, look at T3. Keeping their hands clean at the moment but motioning to vote Enchant at the same time. That makes me think Cephrir/T3 is correct.

I was explicitly asked whether I scumread Enchant or Cephrir more, and I said that I scumread Enchant more. I was

not

motioning to vote Enchant.

Are you staying on Eiralox all day then

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It's definitely not - there are 2 main wagons and I asked which one you'd vote for

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[Cephrir, Not_Mafia, T3] = >1 Mafia

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Why not

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Penguin can you towncase Cephrir

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You could be persuaded then

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[Cephrir, Not_Mafia, T3] = >1 Mafia

Who else is scum?

I think Eiralox, Penguin and Dionysus are town so everyone else. Maybe you

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Why is Dionysus town?

For being a thoughtful young man, and for voting T3

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Ok so this game has barely moved since I last checked in despite the several new pages. Some high-level thoughts on the main wagons atm:

STD - I didn't like #15, its troll nature felt kind of insincere, but it was page 1 so whatever. But since he has sort of floated and not said anything useful which is +scum. I don't wanna join this wagon though as I want something more damning than a page 1 post lol.
Furtive - I don't understand these votes someone enlighten me please
Eiralox - honoured that half of their posts are about me? The obsession. The focus on my vote and why it is there is kinda weird ngl and maybe +scum. Although I literally just as I am typing this checked the vote count again and saw that the other vote is a self-vote so that explains it, they are just sensitive. Anyway I assume the obsession is to find out why my vote is on them. Well I thought it was obvious at the time but I didn't like how they sheeped my MT vote
T3 - Why do you think this post is scummy #45

VOTE: T3

Eiralox you can relax now

Way to walk into a beetlejuice at the exact moment I was becoming paranoid about you, Dionysus.

If you were suddenly put into a Final 3 between alchemist and NM, who would you hammer and why, Dionysus?

It's not a trick question, I am actually comparing between those two right now.

This is addressed to you, Dionysus.

why these two

Process of elimination! I'm wrapping up my team solve for tomorrow morning.

Nothing particularly pings me from alchemist apart from him saying fewer posts = better for him. Because it is true that more posts = more hunting. But I can also relate to this because coming back to 7 pages of shitposting made catching up a chore. But it's not optimal for town to have fewer posts, so I don't agree with him posting it and it is +scum. Hardly a smoking gun though.

NM has 3 posts or so and they're all spam. So I can't make a judgement call on them. On the basis of what I can see between them I would hammer alchemist but I think it would be 50/50 a mislim due to lack of content from NM.

So my main take away from the last few pages is:

1) frogster vs Cephrir is really fucking funny. Thank you so much for replacing in as it has made this day very entertaining
2) frogster is going to extreme lengths to dig up dirt on Cephrir which I think is very +++town. It means he legit believes in his read because if Cephrir flips town then this would look so bad.
3) I townread alchemist already but I definitely feel sure he is Town now. He has been engaged and scum hunting and I have liked his analysis. So not that the question is relevant anymore if I had to hammer either him or NM I'd go NM.
4) I still think Cephrir is scum
5) although I think Cephrir's enchant analysis is interesting
6) this could be svs but it was largely ignored or disagreed with so maybe they are wrong

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Dionysus is probably scum for pushing someone for being "inconsistent" instead of actual scummy behavior. Town is more likely to be inconsistent, since they're not overly concerned with image, and less likely to spend time making sure their own reads are consistent.

Spoiler:

This push on Enchant seems like Alchemist is caught scum trying to divert attention away by starting a 1v1? Maybe?

Was this post an actual scumread? Because if it is then this:

VOTE: Eiralox
I think I'm gonna put my vote here for now.

is weird.

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I've read through alchemist ISO and it isn't as townie as I remembered. The humblebrag on the scummie nomination in #222 is something I've got in the back of my mind. I think there is a decent chance they're partners. T3's reads have been a bit all over the place. I get it, day 1 is hard, but he's not a noob. His progression on alchemist for example just doesn't make sense only for him to not vote him, unless they're scum together and T3 doesn't want to vote his partner. Alchemist also replied to eiralox's post of T3's messy reads and didn't actually acknowledge this inconsistency.

VOTE: Eiralox
I think I'm gonna put my vote here for now.

Ok I'll take the bait... Why

I think it would be best if votes are applied there.

VOTE: Enchant

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VOTE: Dionysus

A dagger to my heart </3

But I get it. I've been kind of mia so far today. Truth be told I've been struggling to follow this game because it is pretty much almost entirely vibes and I'm better at hunting scum with logical deductions.

Having said that, I still think T3 is scum. Their contributions may be better than mine in terms of volume, but not in terms of content. Reads changing from one post to the next is fine, but there should be a consistent thread that you can follow to make sense of the person's thought process. T3's reads have been... well not that.

Or town can push scum for being inconsistent - until T3 flips, who's to say

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VOTE: T3

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This game's become a little less interesting to me recently

I'm happy to move to Cephrir or Not_Mafia if they're gonna get more votes than T3

Does anyone have a question for me? I find it engaging to talk to specific players

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My votes keep being made irrelevant by other players

I'm not loving these wagons

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My votes keep being made irrelevant by other players

I'm not loving these wagons

Your vote will be very relevant if your vote Dionysus

I want my vote to be relevant+good

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You trusting furtive?

No >_>

But you don't

distrust

me

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You trusting furtive?

No >_>

But you don't

distrust

me

I think the posts you quoted about Dionysus were p bad and don't understand why you're townreading him from that

I think they were +town

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Thanks furtive, you've convinced me

I mean...I might be wrong, but that would make me wrong on T3 as well, and probably more players

And I think I'm broadly right

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Enchant are you going to get results

soon

?

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The T3 wagon welcomes all lost souls

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That's very astute of you

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I've become incredibly sage in my old age

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We should promote synergy as a town

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We should promote synergy as a town

VOTE: Dionysus

E-1

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First

Enchant, result?

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Yeah give the result

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insists forcefully

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Brickwall

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How many PRs are there usually in Mini Normals? NM has claimed one, and Dionysus was

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Brickwall are you just refusing to claim

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Brickwall/Dionysus/Enchant/NM makes 4 PR, is that too many?

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Brickwall/Dionysus/Enchant/NM makes 4 PR, is that too many?

that's the right number of pr's
except there are actually 2 more confirmable town pr's outside of this list, so there are 2 scum in Brickwall/Enchant/NM.

Are you about to claim Masons

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Brickwall/Dionysus/Enchant/NM makes 4 PR, is that too many?

that's the right number of pr's
except there are actually 2 more confirmable town pr's outside of this list, so there are 2 scum in Brickwall/Enchant/NM.

Are you about to claim Masons

i am in fact a mason

You and Cephrir?

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Shrink?

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i think brickwall is weak town from this small interaction im reading.
Maybe furtive is scum.

stop it I'm the deepwolf

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I don't buy Brickwall's claim

VOTE: Brickwall

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I think skunks do yeah, especially mafia ones

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I want Gimli

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too bad u don't have any practice in the dark arts of summoning people.

By the power vested in me, I summon thee, Gimli of Gloin, should ye be worthy, join this game!

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we should lecture futrive in the scum PT to shame him for his speciesist behavior

I'll have to catch up on that postgame, like I do with most of my lectures

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I think Brickwall just chose to claim a random PR instead of 1v1ing Enchant

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I'm a Simple Bodyguard

Why would you out the simple part

rip Masons

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Gamma?

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STD, do you think all the PR claims are town? If not, why are you voting me?

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Cephrir deepskunking

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I don't have a power role

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Also why is no one bothering to try to engage with me to get a read on me. Did everyone have penguin on lock town or something.

No one has once called me scum/town or anything. I am very confused on where everyones position on my own slot is at .

I had Penguin as a townread but since all the claims happened I'm not so sure

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I think the Masons are real and that Brickwall's vote is a n t i s p e w

[furtiveglance]

Welcome DragonEater70. Have you read any of the game?

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3 VT and 1 Vig-type role are dead.

T3 and STD claim Masons.
Enchant claims Neapolitan with Brickwall NV.
Brickwall claims Psychologist.
Not_Mafia claims Bodyguard.

Everyone else claims VT.

[furtiveglance]

For example, why are you currently voting Brickwall?

Enchant claimed a Not Vanilla result on Brickwall, who then claimed quite an obscure PR (Psychologist) with a useless Night Action.

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Okay that is a really weird role.
Do you believe it's unlikely Alianna would include obscure roles on the setup? (sorry of these questions are not allowed, but I didn't see anything against them so I decided to ask)

It's more that I don't buy the claim as a whole given that it was prompted by a NV investigation. I think such a role

could

be included in a Normal game, but I think at someone among the PR claims is lying at the moment, otherwise there would be 6 PRs total in 13, which seems a lot, and I trust the Masons the most because I think it would be too risky to fakeclaim in a gamestate where they didn't really need to. The nature of the claim also seemed legitimate. And the fact that Enchant's claimed result triggered Brickwall's makes it less likely Enchant is lying.

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3 VT and 1 Vig-type role are dead.

T3 and STD claim Masons.
Enchant claims Neapolitan with Brickwall NV.
Brickwall claims Psychologist.
Not_Mafia claims Bodyguard.

Everyone else claims VT.

Okay interesting. Can I ask why everyone mass claimed? And do goons turn up as vanilla or no vanilla in Neapolitan investigation?

I think the actual result is Vanilla Townie or not Vanilla Townie.

Could you please link to where individual people claimed, if it's not too much of a hassle? Otherwise I'll probably look for it myself but it would be a bit of a pain.

I don't want to do that!

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The balance between ‘obscure’ roles and ‘not obscure’ roles has been very tilted towards the obscure side in recent times. Mods have tried pushing the boundaries of normality, so you almost never see a Cop or Doctor without significant modifications.

I prefer open setups personally. Normal games focus too much on setup spec and then postgame everyone yells at the mod about the setup.

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All the PR claims can’t be true. Otherwise the setup would have very likely been denied by the reviewers. This is unless scum have some insane powers.

Yeah. I think 4-5 are most likely. Is your reason for thinking 2 claims are fake purely mech-based or reads-based as well?

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All the PR claims can’t be true. Otherwise the setup would have very likely been denied by the reviewers. This is unless scum have some insane powers.

Yeah. I think 4-5 are most likely. Is your reason for thinking 2 claims are fake purely mech-based or reads-based as well?

Mostly mech, but I find it hard to believe that NM and Enchant are both town.

Ok. My POE almost necessitates the same thing, unless it's Brickwall/Cephrir/Firebringer which I don't think is likely because I think only 1 of the latter are Mafia.

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Wait, do we have any knowledge of how many scum are in the game? Is it possible we are at ELo or MElo or something?

This is like my first closed game ever.

The last Mini Normal I did was 10/3, so I'm assuming the same for this game, but we don't know for sure.

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What is your experience in mafia

cmon Fire you know me :3

[furtiveglance]

I want our first red flip

[furtiveglance]

Maybe eating them

is

saving them...from this world

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maybe i should eat you

You can drag on

Spoiler: :)

made you look

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I can see Cephrir and Not_Mafia for sure. Why are you townreading Brickwall though? It looks like a standard guilty result situation to me.

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I am itching to see Brickwall flip

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Spoiler:

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Did not mean to quote another game, Alianna can you edit that for me?

I just broke a big rule oof

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Did not mean to quote another game, Alianna can you edit that for me?

I just broke a big rule oof

Actually, a completed game so no rule break. But still an oof

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Fine

Who are your top 3 scum then?
And who is someone you thought was scummy but now you're not so sure about?

Enchant, brickwall, and not sure

Your slot. Suspected eiralox D1/2 but came off it from his later day 2 posting

You think Enchant, as scum, claimed an NV on their partner?

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I am itching to see Brickwall flip

Nice green colour coming your way soon. Towns gonna lose.

I sincerely hope you're lying.

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I think Cephrir and NM are scum with either Enchant or Firebringer. I'll vote with T3 today but I think the more interesting thing will be who other players motion towards voting.

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I think Cephrir and NM are scum with either Enchant or Firebringer. I'll vote with T3 today but I think the more interesting thing will be who other players motion towards voting.

its scary when i agree with furtive

T3 is Mason and Eiralox/DragonEater have both felt really town. So it's pretty obvious that we have the same PoE.

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I can potentially see Enchant/Cephrir interactions as theatre, there's a weird energy between them

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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I'm glad we got that sewn up because it could have unravelled.

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I didn't mean to offend Lycanfire with my comment, it was more my own worry about being wagoned early

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Anyway, shame Penguin had to replace out

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not to blame the setup
but this setup was ridiculous lol

how so?

Psychologist doesn't work with this setup.
Simple part of bg doesn't work either.

And there shouldn't have been a vanilla cop.

It was scumsided, but it wasn't the reason town lost.

I disagree. Town had 5 power roles in 13, Masons are good, a vig is good, bodyguard (even simple) is good and could have pogged, Psychologist sucks. Vanilla Cop isn't that strong

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BG is in no way good imo but w/e

You're right, I was thinking of that role that dies but also kills the killer. What's that called here?

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BG is in no way good imo but w/e

You're right, I was thinking of that role that dies but also kills the killer. What's that called here?

ive heard something like this being called elite bodyguard but i haven't seen it used in like. 8 years

This is the normal Bodyguard on the '.gg and we call the self-sacrificing one 'Guardian'.