Weird Dreams Mafia I [Gone]

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welcome to the aether

VOTE: Morning Tweet

obligatory RVS vote as of now

pedit: superposition

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that's so meta your post makes me say "that's so meta your post makes me say "that's so meta...

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the aether is ever present

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the inerrant dream of dreams

this post only exists in your mind

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also note that a "nightmare" mechanic exists as well

generally you'd want people good at solving running the nightmare

pedit: I still don't have enough info to change my RVS vote but Save The Dragons feels towny

[TemporalLich]

your aura is the color bleen

(yes that is a real color)

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eh... I'd say the openings of Gimli and Doctor Drew are a little bad but that's not really alignment indicative to me

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simply saying you're town is NAI lol

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Why they slightly bad?

Gimli's "im town" opening feels LAMIST to me, while Doctor Drew's wanting to be culted opening just doesn't bode well to me.

Empathice's opening feels like an RVS vote to me - it would look bad past RVS stage though!

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LAMIST? Lemme get acronyms

That means "look at me I'm so town", which is trying to appear town without actually doing towny things if I understand correctly.

pedit: lol I got ninja'd

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well that's why I thought the opening was slightly bad, but still not very alignment indicative as I can still see town posting that

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HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame

preliminary nightmare vote for now

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I still have no real scumreads as of now as we still are in RVS stage (not everyone has posted yet!) and I haven't seen anything I'd consider truly scummy

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I'd say Botanical Rat is null with maybe an iota of town.

34 was me trying to explain the nightmare mechanic, and saying I'd put people who are good at solving the game in the nightmare as that's how to get the most town benefit from that mechanic in my opinion

pedit: good question... I can't answer that myself sadly.

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But what about Rat is coming off townie? This is directed to TL and Emp.

Merely just general vibes from reading the ISO.

though 71 is a good post as well, letting scum into the nightmare might cause problems (especially later in the game) though good solving is still my main metric for nightmare votes as of now.

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VOTE: Enchant

okay Enchant is acting scummy, 97 feels OMGUSy and 102 is just trying way too hard to get into the nightmare at the expense of other players

109 combined with 114 does seem like a sort of town mindset among the nightmare vote, but is very solvey so it is worth nightmare voting imo

and kyoko seems to have solvey vibes to me according to an ISO skim

HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, DragonEater70, Kyoko Kirigiri

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These = nai to me, I don't see these votes as scummy, also get into the nightmare at the expanse of other players? Enchant is barely being voted into the nightmare? I'm in confusion with what this even means...

saying that other players would use vig when it doesn't make sense (I'm paraphrasing here) is why I'd say that Enchant is trying to get into the nightmare at the expense of other players

basically Enchant wants to be in the nightmare so that something other than vig gets granted during N1's nightmare, but I think Enchant could be scum trying to control the nightmare mechanic

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If you were really scum you'd already know the answer to that question

pedit: I'm not seeing what you're seeing Empathice

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well if you must know scum would want to control the nightmare mechanic by trying to get inventions awarded to scum

so we'd ideally want players who are good at solving in the nightmare, to avoid getting inventions awarded to scum

pedit: idk why you think Kyoko is pocketing Eater, 92 and 93 are asking a lot of questions (though 92 is a memey post) and I honestly don't see how that could be pocketing...

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imo either vig or FN is good for the N1 invention, though vig is only recommended if town is feeling lucky

the rest are better later in the game

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92 looks pockety to me but it's certainly not a strong read.

92 doesn't look pockety to me but I guess you could generate that thought for some arcane reason

Anyone can be scum trying to control the nightmare mechanic, this is not exclusive to Enchant

yeah... hence why expressing scumreads are important this game

if it isn't obvious, I scumread Enchant

pedit: this setup is possibly not standard-alignment, so fakeclaiming FN wouldn't be without risk. It still would be a good fakeclaim though. FN and Vig get less useful the later in the game we are so that's why I think those are good for the N1 invention.

ppedit: yeah discussing who to give an invention to is best left to the nightmare... otherwise we'd have a 200% chance of scum interfering in that discussion

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vig is chaos and chaos is funni

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yeah a spicy vig shot might be funni but that doesn't mean a spicy vig shot is towny

pedit: and my metric for nightmare votes is propensity to gamesolve, not reasonableness

ppedit: yeah I think fluff makes more sense than pocketing for 92

cop isn't a nightmare ability but tracker is, though giving yourself FN would make sense if you could do that.

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if you want a run-on sentence than sure

Save The Dragons has towny vibes (though has no real towny content), KawaiiKame also has towny vibes and also is pretty game solvey with their nightmare votes, DragonEater70 is quite solvey and good at townhunting, and Kyoko Kirigiri is quite towny and good at asking questions to gain info

pedit: uhh... who is TP?

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enchant very likely town

why do you townread enchant?

I don't really see how enchant could be towny especially since enchant has no reads other than scumreading dragoneater for voting enchant because enchant self nightmare voted

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you basically vote on who you'd want to vote to give an invention to a player

the nightmare inventions I'd consider useful early game are FN and vig

generally, you want people good at solving to be in the nightmare, as having the invention go to scum is bad news

pedit: yeah I guess that makes sense, I'm still tunneled on enchant as I don't see any other scumreads as of now

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you're town because you give off a familiar towny vibe gimli

you're solvey this game and you're solvey in AB:LoAF so yeah, to the nightmare with you

HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, DragonEater70, Kyoko Kirigiri, Gimli

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VOTE: Flea The Magician

219 does not bode well...

also, Enchant no longer feels scummy to me because of 232...

I'm not self nightmare voting because even though I want to be in the nightmare, I want to be in the nightmare because I actually deserve to be in the nightmare because the town thinks I can actually game solve

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enchant having wim/not trolling/doing mech spec is probably town enchant

and yeah this post also factors into me not voting enchant any more, as it is very trustworthy

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VOTE: imaginality

And you want us to stay in RVS forever? The only way we can get out of RVS hell is for everyone to have a serious vote, and two players have not posted yet

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And yeah I am not grasping your logic imaginality, it feels like scummy logic.

Imaginality, do you have any actual townreads? If so, please explain them. If not, why?

pedit: Then we talk about RVS and make votes with actual reasoning behind them instead of trying to shove RVS under the rug

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Also inaginality's scumread on Botanical Rat feels like a scumread for the sake of a scumread

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I am still pretty happy with my nightmare vote, though I will point out that I now legitimately townread Save The Dragons as his newer posts are really towny, especially 234

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not only that but 234 has that solvey aura that I look for in nightmare votes

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nah I'm trying to give reasoning for my townread on you

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I was townreading Save The Dragons before for seemingly having a towny vibe, now I actually have posts and reasoning to back that town read up

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@mod: my name appears three times on the VC for some arcane reason, I'm currently voting for imaginality

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oh nvm it was edited, oops

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HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, Kyoko Kirigiri, Gimli, Ranger

DragonEater70's repeated waffling on whether his vote is serious or not is extremely concerning and definitely unfit for the nightmare. I'm willing to vote dragoneater as of now, as the waffling completely shatters my foundation for dragoneater's townread (that he is good at solving).

Ranger on the other hand is posting a lot of lead rists for a catchup and the vibes I get from those lists are towny.

KawaiiKame does have towny vibes but I did an ISO skim on them and they have some reads but I don't see any scumreads from KawaiiKame. 242 feels more likely genuine than not.

pedit: good reasoning, though DragonEater's waffling discredits his solvey vibes and I indeed do like Gimli's vibe and posts

I can definitely see KawaiiKame being scum, but I still have a low confidence townread there (the scumminess comes from a concerning lack of scumreads)

[TemporalLich]

It takes me a long ass time to scumread anyone, I have to have strong conviction to scumread someone initially and no one I know is explicitly scum to me as of now, I'm open to any and all possibilities but I feel it's best to see who I see as town and see who's left, I'm usually not confident in any/most of my reads, so many people makes it hard to know who is scum especially with everyone acting vaguely townie in my eyes, I will have to deeply analyze the game and see what I find

okay this response feels towny to me, good response

deeply analyzing the game is a very good idea especially with a mechanic that incentivizes deeply analyzing the game

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Seconded.

Also @everyone who tr's Botanical Rat and Doctor Drew: care to explain your TR's? I really don't see them.

I currently have a town lean on Botanical Rat because of 324. The Town vibes still exist of course.

Doctor Drew however is pretty solvey this game.

I just skimmed lich and there's a lot of gamesolving content, though this seems wildly different from when he was town in ab:loaf. he seems to be playing more polished competent thoughts, pushing things that look correct. probably just a townie playing well but could be informed scum knowing how to post as scum.

this is the kinds of reads you're gonna get from me this early, kyoko.

excellent post with town mindset and stuff

posting nonsensical reads like saying me and kokichi are same people and then sticking to it to the point of death was what he did in abloaf.
I'm not sure how he randomly calling a post lamist is worse than that in your mind
I feel like he had been trying to not play like abloaf here actively, but you can still see traces of that somewhat stubborn playstyle still.

Thats why I was thinking you went too easy against him.

I legitimately did confuse kyoko and kokichi that game and had to die on that hill to avoid waffling...

this time I'm trying to keep my options open so I can change my mind if I need to (which is very often during D1) while avoiding waffling. Overconfidence doesn't help the town and it was why I was D1 elim in AB:LoAF.

You really shpuld be playing D1 when it's your town meta to be very active D1. Idk why town you wouldn't want to play D1.

I'm terrible at D1 and mostly want to end D1 as soon as possible so I can actually give reads that are based on hard evidence...

pedit: that post tells me "kyoko might be scum with her calculated pushes"

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I was actually happy to be N1 death for once in Korina Runs Another GIM... then I found out it was because I was scummy and not towny.

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is he?

uhh... I think so? maybe?

302 is what gives me the impression that Doctor Drew is "pretty solvey this game".

what part of it do you think is calculated?

gimli's post about your pushes makes me think they could be set up to try to get Gimli to slip up and become LHF - they seemed like okay and somewhat towny pushes before that post

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There isn't a single read in post 302. what were they solving there?

To me, at least who I have played with recently,

Meg and Gimli

would be at the top of my list. As far as

the hydra

, they both are quality as well....but I figure two heads are better than one in this scenario (it pains me to compliment a hydra lol)

emphasis added

doctor drew townreads meg and gimli, and kinda townreads botanical rat - hence why I feel doctor drew is solvey this game.

so you say based on what gimli wrote, you got the impression that I was trying to set them up as an easy mislim and not sorting them? can you elaborate what you saw there that gave you this impression?

that post feels less like a pure thoughtstream and more like a reaction to being pushed... we need thoughtstreams to do well in D1 as they tend to have much better reads and solves.

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those aren't reads, he was referencing abloaf game to say we're probably good enough players to be trusted with power roles

but I also kinda liked and townread that post by drew for no reason as well

okay I'm like 95% sure those are actual reads that involve this game and aren't just a bland reference to AB:LoAF

also both Botanical Rat heads were in Korina Runs Another GIM and not AB:LoAF anyway, so another point to that post having actual reads in it

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HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, Gimli, Ranger, Doctor Drew, Morning Tweet

updating nightmare vote, removing kyoko for potentially having scummy pushes (exactly what we

don't

want in the nightmare) and adding doctor drew because of 398 giving good reasoning for reads and being proactive.

also adding morning tweet for the proactive post 396

I still think imaginality and Flea The Magician are scummy, and 357 is self-admittedly forced (very bad for nightmare votes!)

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I also think DragonEater70 is scummy, but less so than imaginality and Flea - that whole bit about the vote being "semi-RVS" and the weird push on Gimli (see 350 and 353) feel scummy to me, though the unvote has good reasoning behind it

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its more the readslist is force than the post, I haaaaaate having to spew D1 reads because they're like 1 point in either direction usually, sometimes 2... out of 10.

trying to force out reads is not a good idea, though a point in one direction or another is still a read

What you mean by thoughtstream? Like me asking around 6 questions from gimli to elaborate his read on this slot and that interaction with more details or something elsE?

if you're posting your raw thoughts as they are formed you are thoughtstreaming

it's hard to fake thoughtstreaming, so thoughtstreaming is almost always genuine and I tend to place high value on reads generated by thoughtstreaming

pedit: good and towny post, I'm slightly more confident kyoko is actually town-aligned this game now

ppedit: ehh... well I did think that post had actual townreads in it at first but idk... still think Doctor Drew is towny and willing to gamesolve

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imaginality has really bad pushes and the lack of activity is starting to be very concerning... the lack of any townreads whatsoever only compounds my scumread on imaginality

Gimli has a familiar towny vibe to me and his thoughtstream posts feel like they are town thoughts... idk I could maybe point to 231 and 347 as posts that are archetypal of the vibe I get

so yeah, Gimli is my top read (though Doctor Drew is very close) and imaginality is my bottom read

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DragonEater70 has really turned it around with the catch-up and ISOing of several players

very solvey and quite towny indeed

HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, Gimli, Ranger, Doctor Drew, Morning Tweet, DragonEater70

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doctor drew still feels slightly towny and solvey to me tbh... so doctor drew is still in my nightmare vote for now

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Doctor Drew reminds me of the Doctor Drew in AB:LoAF (he was scum that game however) and my initial townread on him was based on vibes. I still think 302 could have reads but that's my main impetus for townreading Doctor Drew. 316 is also a towny post I feel.

I am open to the possibility of Doctor Drew being a nullread, but that would mean 302 would have to be interpreted as purely NAI solveyness reads.

I don't really see how Doctor Drew could be scum asides from that Doctor Drew is convincing as scum.

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changing from a townread to a scumread purely because of a scumcase (that is well founded but basically says that Doctor Drew could be convincing scum) would be a reactive read

pedit: as far as comparison to AB:LoAF goes... I'd say Doctor Drew is less towny in this game than in AB:LoAF... and Doctor Drew was scum in AB:LoAF. I'm guessing Doctor Drew actually being able to pocket me well and convincingly is a major factor in my Doctor Drew townread... but I'm not scumreading for that because that would not sense make

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actually I think nullread is good for now as I can't sort Doctor Drew now...

but definitely should not be in the nightmare, somehow I didn't think of that instantly, dang it

HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, Gimli, Ranger, Morning Tweet, DragonEater70

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but yeah I skimmed Doctor Drew's ISO trying to look for Doctor Drew's scumreads and his DragonEater70 scumread is purely based on a DragonEater70 and Gimli associative

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Doctor Drew, who do you scumread and why?

A scumread based on an associative is kinda weak on D1 tbh

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Ranger is kind of towny but very solvey based on the lead rists

the elaboration in some of her posts is what makes me think Ranger is slightly towny rather than scummy, and I like the vibes from 466

so yeah all in all Ranger is somewhat trustworthy imo

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as for Porkens... the opening tells me null with a side of scum

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If you read her posts and see town then we just agree to disagree.

and this of course does not bode well...

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TL, can you elaborate on what exactly led you to town read me in AbLoaf?

your posts had an obvtown vibe to them, you seemed pretty solvey, also we were neighbors that game and I had no reason to believe you were scum and reason to believe you were town

Newbie question alert:

Is talking too much about a towncore/townbloc anti-town?

idk... if it comes at the expense of having any scumreads than definitely

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over defensive and over explanatory. my vote stays.

weird push (or outright scummy scum case, giving benefit of the doubt here)

Well that's definitely not my intent lol. In fact I think this is my cue to go back to ISO diving some players here.

good idea, iso diving is good for solving

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488 is a low effort post with nothing but buzzwords that anyone of any alignment could make but is more likely to be scummy than towny

Morning Tweet does indeed feel townie with her posts

506 is not a towny post imo (it feels like low efforting), but I still townread Gimli as that's only a drop in the bucket

So I am going to extend a question to Kyoko and Temporal Lich, who both seem to know Gimli's meta well: do you feel Gimli is townie by meta?

yeah meta is a part of why I townread Gimli, I get the same vibes I do from AB:LoAF

pedit: unusual softclaim but ok

ppedit: I thought supersaint at first lol

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anyway it doesn't benefit us to role fish that softclaim

pedit: good idea

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Lich, since you don't agree with me that DD is scummy, do you think we should try for a Porkens/Enchant wagon?
Also, what's your read on Enchant actually?

Doctor Drew is null leaning scummy to me... still see no scumreads from Doctor Drew and he even nullreads Porkens (which is not a scumread and doesn't do anything to shift my read either way)

Porkens is openwolfing (on Day 1, no less) so it should be trivial to speedwagon Porkens... 527 tells me Porkens has no intent on being towny this game whatsoever.

Enchant was scummy early D1 but 232 is when Enchant started having towny vibes... oh and 234 is a factor in me thinking Enchant could be town.

All in all, Enchant feels hard null to me right now.

pedit: Porkens might have a town mindset but openwolfing is openwolfing, there's no such thing as 0.5 openwolfing

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The above is essentially just a color coded list of arbitrary assignment of reads with more words to distract from the fact it is what it is.

How am I “openwolfing?”

I skimmed the game, posted my gutty reads, and am engaging. How is that openwolfing?

I guess you scumread Ranger then?

Openwolfing is obviously scummy behavior, such as personally attacking the entire playerlist and mocking playstyles and making it clear you have no intentions of game solving or giving out reads. Seriously, 527 is openwolfing.

posts with nothing but quotes and buzzwords are simply low effort posts that anyone could make

pedit: when you make a low effort post then start personally attacking the entire playerlist I have nothing to believe other than openwolfing

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Personally attacking what are you talking about?

the first non-quote line in 527 is what I consider the personal attack (though it was intended to be a joke though, but I still scumread that post for that reason)

And my first post was not low effort I read 19 pages

it's a lead rist with no elaboration so I can't tell

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If you feel personally attacked I apologize, that was not my intention at all. I can see how 527 could be interpreted as that. I just woke up and was trying to be funny. My bad. I don’t want anyone to feel attacked and I’m if I made them feel that way I am sorry.

thank you

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Maybe I am misreading your tone but isn't this sentence basically open wolfing in itself? Like why would you want to speedwagon anyone?

it would be easy to speedwagon an openwolf since they are both scummy and LHF.

as for me actually wanting to speedwagon Porkens... I did think that would be a good idea when it seemed like Porkens was openwolfing and not intending to play the game but now I don't think it would be a good idea since Porkens might have a town mindset (but I really do want to see some effort from Porkens)

still think Porkens belongs in the PoE along with imaginality and Doctor Drew.

pedit: I said anyone, that meant even town. When towny players are actually engaging in the game instead of making low effort posts, I would conclude scummy because of PoE.

also, thought I had voted but I didn't...

VOTE: Porkens

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I really want to see Porkens elaborate on the reads in 461, still want to keep the vote there for pressure reasons...

pressure votes are a thing that exist, and I still scumread Porkens as a strong scumread and a weak townread equal a weak scumread

imaginality seems to be lurking and Doctor Drew is still hard for me to sort and I still would say null leaning scum

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also I didn't drop position on anyone's lead rist yet

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VOTE: Doctor Drew

okay Porkens definitely has a town mindset, retracting the scumread on Porkens now

I really like the elaboration of the lead rist... completely discredits my scumread for low effort posting and openwolfing to the point I townread Porkens now

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that vote is E-3 btw

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can't get past the thought that says "Doctor Drew could be a deepwolf", sorry

and imaginality could still be somehow towny, but the lack of activity is concerning and my PoE consists of weak scumreads

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there's not really a point on keeping a scumread you feel is discredited and wrong... it just leads to trouble and confirmation bias.

that being said, the push on Porkens for being disingenuous kinda feels like a weird push to me but the reasoning seems good

pedit: saying everyone voting you is gut reading you is a really weird push, Porkens

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but you tried to say that Ranger's read on you is a gut read in an attempt to discredit that read...

that's very confrusing and my mind is a baked potato

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well there's also 535 so I saw a pattern or at least I thought I did

but yeah that was an unintentional exaggeration

pedit: I mean I guess that makes sense, but that doesn't discredit a read so a push based on that would just be strange

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well I was scumreading Porkens for low effort posting and the reads Porkens posted had no elaboration at that time, so I wasn't pushing Porkens for gut reading as that would be a bad push

oh and 596 is a high effort post that doesn't give me confidence... apparently pointing out a potential scum signal is role fishing?!

pedit: wow... I feel disheartened...

and yeah I'd want to see imaginality provide a town read with at least one iota of elaboration

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meg is null leaning town for effort... I think

that's just an impression from barely skimming meg's ISO

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yeah... effort is why I lean town on you lol

pedit: it takes effort to fake effort so having effort is very slightly towny imo

and having zero effort is anti-town

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I can't really sort meg with an ISO skim, though 587 also is null leaning town based on the actual post so there's that

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I was saying effort itself was slightly towny

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I'm thinking Enchant could be scum, and 652 is a very weird push and also looks like distancing

imaginality on the other hand is starting to look towny, but Enchant really does appear to be distancing from imaginality and imaginality's read progression on Enchant feels strange and unprompted ("I've cooled a bit on Enchant compared to earlier." apparently is enough to drop from nightmare to PoE?)

at least I came back after a prod lul
VOTE:
Vote Gimli

holy OMGUS... that shows a dire lack of effort... and after you say effort could be scummy and lack of effort could be towny...

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VOTE: imaginality

yeah... that read progression confirms a imaginality and Enchant associative... they are likely co-aligned

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clone definitely is scummy indeed

however with such low activity my confidence on a clone scumread is low (clone could start being towny out of nowhere, who knows)

as for Porkens, I still think I see a town mindset (though a town mindset that is disingenuous is worth a strong scumread!)

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I definitely don’t know my own intent sometimes. That may sound weird to you but it’s just how I roll.

and with that non-defense of a defense Porkens is now null leaning scum

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as for meg, another ISO skim tells me meg is extremely good at simply having town consensus as their only opinion... this is worth scumreading Meg over, as fake effort is actually not towny

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okay the lack of activity and effort on Clone's part is now actively scummy lol

VOTE: Clone

still scumread imaginality of course

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considering that I scumread imaginality and Doctor Drew, I am not intending for a policy lim but for a good faith lim because I believe Clone is scummy and that Clone will ultimately harm the town with the blatant lack of effort regardless

Clone's vote on Doctor Drew seems like a meta read at best and a scummy push at worst... while Clone's vote on Gimli is outright OMGUS

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The only meta Clone has on me I was town, along with them.

And I am not defending Clones play, it definitely isn't helping anyone, but can you call it scummy?

I don't really know how to explain this then:

VOTE: Vote: Dr. Drew

still don't trust you especially not with those eyes

if not a meta read it could be an RVS vote, or it could just be a scummy push. The post number appears to be in RVS which I had missed. If it is an RVS vote, it would be purely NAI (and I'd still scumread Clone for the blatant lack of effort).

And walk me through how you got from 'Drew is town' to 'Drew is scum'.

I was townreading you based on vibes and your posts looking towny and that you had similar vibes to AB:LoAF... then a combination of town consensus and reevaluation makes me think you are probably a deepwolf (a scum player who is very good at being towny).

pedit: yeah Clone is probably a good elim, a combination of barely caring about the game and being scummy means Clone is an excellent elimination for D1

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oh and yeah doctor drew and clone now indeed do have an associative so Clone's elim now gives a lot of info

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your weird defense of Clone is not helping Clone's case

pedit: agreed, Clone is low effort lurking scum who is caught in an associative... I highly doubt Clone and Doctor Drew is an SvT interaction

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game is feeling slow, still scumread Clone, Doctor Drew, and imaginality

HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, Gimli, Ranger, Morning Tweet, DragonEater70, Botanical Rat

botanical rat's newer posts make me think botanical rat is town

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as for the rest of that nightmare vote, still townread them

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wait, idk about save the dragons tbh...

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yeah... tried to give my reads so people could read them and comment on them

still can't sort Porkens or Empathice tbh

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agreed... clone is scummy and inactive

even if clone were active I'd still scumread clone, but the inactivity just compounds clone's scumminess

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yeah... the Kyoko death also unsettles me

however... I do know that Doctor Drew is 300% not sus trust me bro

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yeah if that's a publishing psychologist StD is scum lol

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but yeah I have a Doctor Drew green check

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VOTE: Save The Dragons

treating what could be a publishing psychologist as a red check

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alright

anyway here is nightmare vote before day end

HURT: KawaiiKame, Gimli, Morning Tweet, DragonEater70, Doctor Drew

pedit: idk but we should not hammer yet as we have had no discussion yet today

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I still feel Save The Dragons' reaction to the mod message is kind of scummy... basically denying it with no elaboration

that being said, with three green flips I want to re-evaluate my reads

oh and I will add myself to my nightmare vote as it is clearly important to make sure town is in the nightmare

HURT: KawaiiKame, Gimli, Morning Tweet, DragonEater70, Doctor Drew, TemporalLich

pedit: I mean I guess... Kyoko was very towny so it's not too far off from what would be a normal scum nightkill

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yeah... that would make a lot more sense... instead Save The Dragons claims the message was a lie with no elaboration

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at least a softclaim if not a hardclaim, that message still reads like a red check to me

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at least a softclaim if not a hardclaim, that message still reads like a red check to me

Softclaiming his role? Or softclaiming what exactly?
Though as I said earlier I would love for Kira to claim.

role of course

then again idk tbh, yeah a softclaim would be nice because otherwise I just see a scummy reaction

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if not Save The Dragons I would vote imaginality, as part of the reason I scumread clone was an associative with Doctor Drew...

Clone still is worth a weak scumread at least however.

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but yeah I have a Doctor Drew green check

Is this a hard claim? Do you have a n0 check?

This is a medium claim, I'm claiming only one of my abilities.

and no I don't have a night 0 check.

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I Thought you softed STD green very openly d1.

nah... I thought Save The Dragons had towny vibes.

I used my only check on Doctor Drew.

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anyway,

VOTE: Clone

imaginality's new posts feel towny, especially 846 and 837 though the reaction feels weird to me. I think a town mindset is articulated in those posts.

pedit: okay I guess, but yeah I do think the reaction to the mod post could have come from town somehow


ppedit: 265 was a response to Save The Dragons thinking I was pocketing him.

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I read it as NAI to scum myself, though the doubling down pushes the reaction toward being a town reaction

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I was trying to articulate my reasons, I tend to play based on intuition...

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idk either...


859 makes me think Porkens is probably more likely town than scum (though the Ranger flip still makes me want to scumread Porkens), so if not Clone then I'd have to vote MegAzumarill (very good at looking towny superficially)

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nah I mean MegAzumarill's reads seem to simply be the town consensus

towny on the surface level only

pedit: I also claimed I had other abilities...

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who would use a King ability on Ranger?!

like what in the name of Dreaming God?!

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why would ranger's flip make you scumread me?

also you seemed to be the only one scumreading Ranger at the end of D1 if I recall correctly...

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No I recanted that read at the beginning of that IRL day. I woke up that morning rethinking the game and unvoted. Then BLAMMO

okay, guess that's what 723 is supposed to mean then... thanks for the clarification

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915 feels pretty hard to sort for me... can't determine if the mindset is town or scum...

oh and scumreading Gimli while simultaneously nightmare voting Gimli without explanation is just confusing...

Gimli's reaction to that is towny but could have been a stronger push...

Porky says he was trolling, and he doesn't claim gun anymore.

okay... will keep that in mind when giving reads on Porkens.

flipping std will get us to know if we can trust or cannot trust or give any weight to the messenger. I suppose we're gonna have that in the following gamedays as well.

the most likely scenario is that this is a town loud? psychologist? whatever TL thinks we have is what we probably have.

so, at the end of the day, maybe killing std is good idea.

std softed that his role makes it okay if he dies. it's possible that he is supersaint, or something? or that his role is potatoes.

I'm not too sure about the message, I think it could be a publishing psychologist but this is a bastard setup so non-reliability and/or framing can exist.

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924 I actually agree with... and yeah Empathice is more likely scum than not... and yeah 136 is indeed a strange post especially given that Kyoko flipped town


937 just doesn't feel like a town mindset post to me...

VOTE: Empathice

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oh okay... still a strange post imo

not really seeing the read progression either but I don't think that read progression would be unreasonable given Kyoko's posts

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I town read Kyoko initially which only became stronger with time, Idk why Empath changed his thinking but that's likely why
Why do you feel Empath is scummy? I felt Empath felt scummy last game I was with him in

I was not really able to sort Empathice, and with DragonEater70's scumcase I now feel Empathice is scummy.

I don't really see a town mindset tbh...

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What is a town mindset to you? Who you seeing a town mindset with?
To me a town mindset is someone who is actively solving, someone who pursues the truth following logic/emotion

Someone with town mindset is someone with a town thought process... Basically, thinking like town and wanting to find scum ideally. DragonEater70 has an obvious town mindset for example.

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sorry to see this game get destroyed...

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empathice was playing 5D chess with multiverse time travel lol

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Your King execution was a double exclamation point brilliant move however.