Pokemon Battles 2 - Attack on Giratina [GAME OVER]

[Meuh]

It's weird cause FL's play when he got limmed there makes me think that it's a 4 mafia team (otherwise they'd strongarm a townie death) but then I don't think FL makes the fake claim in the first place without a 5 person team so ???

[Meuh]

Meuh I think you're forgetting that when FL pulled his gambit he didn't need 2 mislims to win, he needed 1 and we only survived because of a miracle

If you're scum that's a really good dumbtell tho

Huh didn't Black get limmed at 13 and then FL at 11? if town gets voted at 11 with a 5 person team doesn't scum win? What did I miss

I'm pretty sure black got limmed at 12 and no one died (probably because they hit Cakez bulletproof)

okay yeah but FL got voted at 11 still?

[Meuh]

Yeah so if he gets a mislim there -> 10 -> townie death -> 9 -> 5 scum 4 town, it's a win
Pedit: ?

[Meuh]

Oh I guess in the sense of like, he needed a lim in you 3 in the first place and then the table is set

[Meuh]

Hi ill be here to play someetime soon dealing with account being hacked and credit card fraud for a bit : )

Ouch I hope everything's ok!!!

[Meuh]

But he clearly wasn't going for the mislim chain with whatever he did at 11

[Meuh]

Yeah so if he gets a mislim there -> 10 -> townie death -> 9 -> 5 scum 4 town, it's a win
Pedit: ?

5 scum instawin on 10 the game doesn't continue

True but they win even MORE on 9

[Meuh]

At this point were they just going for style points?

[Meuh]

But he clearly wasn't going for the mislim chain with whatever he did at 11

Maybe he was just mad they hadn't already won idfk

Maybe? I'd just be confused at him randomly playing like shit after all of that

[Meuh]

OH WAIT
I just got what you were saying about only needing 1 mislim
12 -> Black vote -> nightkill anyone -> 5 town 5 scum, it's over
I'm an idiot

[Meuh]

Maybe FL thought he was screwed after Black flipped town and just decided to troll

[Meuh]

Maybe FL thought he was screwed after Black flipped town and just decided to troll

To also exude an air of confidence and saying that scum had the win in the bag even though they didn't?
Maybe FL is scum with a bunch of people in a worse spot, went "hey let me do this fakeclaim and we just win" and then the kill failed, he was like "oh I lost" and spent the day working towards painting the picture of a super strong scum team

[Meuh]

To get us to do exactly what we're doing right now

[Meuh]

Cause even in the best case scenario of a scum team here, I don't think it's strong enough for FL to actually be that confident
Unless there's scum in Yimmy/Chandra
Yimmy doesn't flip scum but I guess Chandra can

[Meuh]

Cause even in the best case scenario of a scum team here, I don't think it's strong enough for FL to actually be that confident
Unless there's scum in Yimmy/Chandra
Yimmy doesn't flip scum but I guess Chandra can

Cause no offence but FL doesn't look at like a him/Titus/Merlyn/STD/DGB team or something like that and go "oh yeah this is in the bag", right?

[Meuh]

I think FL could read the writing on the wall as multiple players were lining up against him. I don't really understand why the selfvote and stuff unless it was to make you ask this exact question, but shrug

if both you and wheme are town he's golden. throwing and hoping for someone to don a tinfoil hat is the path of most resistance (especially in the game's climate - everybody has been very passive besides me and you since the last replacement. he wins if he doesn't throw)
like i can see it as a gambit but there's a pretty compelling explanation.

It's weird cause FL's play when he got limmed there makes me think that it's a 4 mafia team (otherwise they'd strongarm a townie death) but then I don't think FL makes the fake claim in the first place without a 5 person team so ???

this is dumbtelling on purpose. like we know it was elo cause of the mechanics. this was settled, like, three days ago. do you think there's another third party or something lol??
like i'm being dramatic. people get confused. i'm not townreading dumbtells right now though

don't worry chandra you aren't megaminding it was flavor leaf (way more believable)

Is votelock cause ELO a consistent thing? I've never played a game where votes got locked like this, that makes sense though

[Meuh]

Cause even in the best case scenario of a scum team here, I don't think it's strong enough for FL to actually be that confident
Unless there's scum in Yimmy/Chandra
Yimmy doesn't flip scum but I guess Chandra can

Cause no offence but FL doesn't look at like a him/Titus/Merlyn/STD/DGB team or something like that and go "oh yeah this is in the bag", right?

If it was in the bag he wouldn't have needed to claim cop at all

I guess so
But then you could argue the power of centralizing targets on townies (assuming you/Wheme are town) outweighs the negative side of also putting the spotlight on FL
Though if that was the angle, why was Titus so distant from the claim

[Meuh]

ok i admit it is not a normal thing. but you gotta interpret "this is Final 9" somehow. and we didm on day 5

i would not have bought this hat if i didn't think your d5/6/7 posts were weird

My original interpretation was just "oh when the playercount is low enough that's how it works", I did interpret it as being an ELO thing on this day since we're on evens, but I hadn't retroactively applied that logic

[Meuh]

Idk I'm just more interested in the early game right now than stuff like "what was Titus doing when she believed the game was already won and all she had to do was nothing"

That's fair

[Meuh]

Didn't Chandra just say she wanted to focus on the early game lol

[Meuh]

uhh silly question meuh/whemestar
how did meuh know that you dealt her damage?

The notification I got said that
-I took 1 damage
-I was given a kiss
-this was done by Wheme
-Wheme is Palafin

[Meuh]

guys if you're scum raise your hand

[Meuh]

just because people said "fight tina" doesn't mean I immediately went and did whatever to fight tina

This is literally what I did tbh

[Meuh]

Also yeah Merlyn's fairly likely to be town

[Meuh]

Should probably check if DGB/Titus is ever S/S

[Meuh]

I mean we're what, 8 people, 3 scum left, I'm town, Chandra and Yimmy town, shoot in the other 5 and we're okay 60% of the time

[Meuh]

I'm feeling STD's just scum here
I liked his more recent posting (day 6/7 I think 5 too?) but it's like... he had really meh content for most of the game that I felt off about, and his recent stuff feels very... safe and palatable? I'd probably need to give it a second glance but I think that progression's iffy

I think this general position + FL's treatment of him makes him flip scum like 80% of the time tbh

[Meuh]

i should just random.org between the other 5 instead of trying that sounds way more fun

Wait who's the other 5 here

[Meuh]

Is your other 5 everyone except you/Yimmy/me? or you/Yimmy/Wheme?

[Meuh]

I'm feeling STD's just scum here
I liked his more recent posting (day 6/7 I think 5 too?) but it's like... he had really meh content for most of the game that I felt off about, and his recent stuff feels very... safe and palatable? I'd probably need to give it a second glance but I think that progression's iffy

I think this general position + FL's treatment of him makes him flip scum like 80% of the time tbh

I meant the weird TItus interactions more but FL's treatment of him was also not great
Pedit: ahhhh gotcha

[Meuh]

I'm fine with not limming Merlyn today

[Meuh]

Huh why

[Meuh]

I fought Tina last night when I was at 3 HP, lost 1 HP there, then at night Wheme hit me and gave me a kiss which took 1 HP, I lost 1 more HP at dawn from an unknown source

If I’m scum here and your at 2 hp why do I kiss you and not just battle and kill you?

Cause I doubt that if you're scum, you can just go around murdering as many people as you want? I feel like your power would have some restrictions around it if scum and that you wouldn't be able to just kill me like that
For what it's worth, I think you're more likely to flip town than some others, but I don't find this argument super compelling, cause it only makes sense in a world where scum have a factional kill and an unlimited vig (sure you do need to win the battle to kill, but still), in a 17 town 5 maf 1 third party game?

[Meuh]

Oh and Shirou had kill power too

[Meuh]

So on that night I had 3 hp, lost 1 to Tina, lost 1 to Wheme, then lost 1 to an unknown source, which fainted me.
Tbh, Titus and FL's flips point to me both a world where Wheme is town who just happened to attack me on that night, or that it was coordinated:
FL had a power to deal 1 damage to a player, Titus had one to deal 1-3-5 (picked randomly)
So it's likely that either Titus low-rolled, or that Wheme-FL planned to combo to faint me
But I'm not sure why Wheme-FL do that really? I don't think me fainting was worth the bad optics there. Preventing me from attacking Tina is nice I guess but probably not the call to make?

[Meuh]

Actually if Titus had rolled a 3 or a 5, would it still be sent to me as taking 1 damage since I only had 1 HP?

[Meuh]

Actually if Titus had rolled a 3 or a 5, would it still be sent to me as taking 1 damage since I only had 1 HP?

Okay yes that is what happens there

[Meuh]

VOTE: STD

[Meuh]

Also yeah please just fight whichever one of STD/NM lives

[Meuh]

I am not scum

I tried to analyze the game and no one really responded

I don't know what people want from me

I thought your VCA was fine but not super compelling, like I can logically follow it and it makes sense but I wouldn't really base my vote on it at this point (Which kinda falls into my larger issue with your recent posting feeling very safe and reasonable, to the point where it feels unnatural)
You outlined DGB/N_M as likely scum there, do you have a case for either being scum beyond that VCA?

[Meuh]

I don't really get people being confused at being scumread in a 5/3 with 2 widely townread players, like obviously you're gonna be scummy to some people at this point

[Meuh]

There is at least one scum in the below list of players:

- WhemeStar

Why?
and do you have thoughts on N_M/STD here? 2 main wagons at this point

[Meuh]

There is at least one scum in the below list of players:

- WhemeStar

Why?
and do you have thoughts on N_M/STD here? 2 main wagons at this point

It's a toss up, I believe scum to be between these two and Whemestar.

There's 3 scum though? So why is it a toss up, can't they just all be scum?

[Meuh]

But I feel like 1 of meuh/DFG/STD are scum I don’t think there’s 2 scum there

Or in other words: Merlyn/nm scum, Chandra/Yimmy town?

[Meuh]

I agree with the notion that mafia would want a quickhammer, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if the mafia team would be not coordinated enough or not caring enough to do it

[Meuh]

NM’s like 99% on the team if STD’s town though

[Meuh]

STD’s scum either way so whatever

[Meuh]

Bruh

[Meuh]

3v2? damn

[Meuh]

Wheme if you're town you should just let yourself die there

[Meuh]

Like never ever is it worth it to potentially kill Chandra there
Pedit: It is the move lmao

[Meuh]

Wheme if you're town you should just let yourself die there

Well I was really hoping we both would live they had 4 health +2 defense lmfao

We're on evens so a townie dying there was okay, it just should never be Chandra dying there

[Meuh]

Probably just N_M/Wheme

[Meuh]

For Wheme to be town he has to have taken the most questionable mech decisions on almost every single night

[Meuh]

Wheme if you're town you should just let yourself die there

Well I was really hoping we both would live they had 4 health +2 defense lmfao

We're on evens so a townie dying there was okay, it just should never be Chandra dying there

Is there any difference in waiting to vig if we mis elim today though?

I mean sure waiting to vig could be fine I guess? I take much greater issue with you killing Chandra

[Meuh]

Chandra alive means we hit scum more often today and I get to live to final 3/4
Now we don't get that

[Meuh]

Wheme if you're town you should just let yourself die there

Well I was really hoping we both would live they had 4 health +2 defense lmfao

We're on evens so a townie dying there was okay, it just should never be Chandra dying there

Is there any difference in waiting to vig if we mis elim today though?

I mean sure waiting to vig could be fine I guess? I take much greater issue with you killing Chandra

THEY ROLLED SO BAD I THOUFHT THERES NO WAY I KILL THEM

But you dying would've been fine??? Arguably actively good but at the very least neutral?????? and Chandra dying fucking SUCKS???

[Meuh]

Wheme if you're town you should just let yourself die there

Well I was really hoping we both would live they had 4 health +2 defense lmfao

We're on evens so a townie dying there was okay, it just should never be Chandra dying there

Is there any difference in waiting to vig if we mis elim today though?

I mean sure waiting to vig could be fine I guess? I take much greater issue with you killing Chandra

THEY ROLLED SO BAD I THOUFHT THERES NO WAY I KILL THEM

But you dying would've been fine??? Arguably actively good but at the very least neutral?????? and Chandra dying fucking SUCKS???

I mean I don’t think me dying would be fine

I would've been very chill with it

[Meuh]

You never die to an NK so it narrows POE

[Meuh]

Also ftw idk how you guys tbinm I’m scum if I’m town by play bht not my night actions

I don’t think I get past day 3 as scum

FL and Titus both vouched for you lmao

[Meuh]

FL and you were positioned together the entire game and Titus had that early day 2 read on you that I don't recall ever rly shifting

[Meuh]

You've had good vibes but literally everything else looks horrendous

[Meuh]

You never die to an NK so it narrows POE

I mean I could die to a NK I’m our battler

Scum kill me before they kill you right?

[Meuh]

But even then neither of us would ever get NKed if you hadn't killed Chandra in the first place

[Meuh]

Maybe they kill you before me but no way in hell do they kill you before Chandra

[Meuh]

Maybe they kill you before me but no way in hell do they kill you before Chandra

Isnt Chandra a bad kill

Chandra was locktown??????

[Meuh]

Also if I’m scum why tf do I even claim killing Chandra man

Probably because it's plainly obvious you were fighting Chandra?

[Meuh]

Because it shows there's high odds you battled Chandra (which would make sense) or that Chandra battled you (which would also make sense based on her late posting)

[Meuh]

But they claimed hider though right

I need to recheck that actually

[Meuh]

At Night
: Target 1 other player; Any actions that target you will fail, but any killing, damaging, or challenging actions that target your target will also target you. If you are challenged this way, you may not use teleport during that battle.

Wait

[Meuh]

Fuck you're actually telling the truth

[Meuh]

If Chandra didn't challenge you then you would've also been fighting someone else if you had challenged Chandra

[Meuh]

Unless Chandra straight up didn't hide

[Meuh]

So you could be scum but it's true that Chandra challenged you

[Meuh]

Yeah

[Meuh]

Also Merlyn wasn't fainted or poisoned last night, whatever that info is worth

[Meuh]

Probably just N_M/Wheme

You really think I'm scum after how the wagons formed yesterday? This is just lazy, whether you're scum or town

Yeah I do
I don't think you and STD voting for each other on day 8 absolves you of anything at all lmao

[Meuh]

Yeahhhh

[Meuh]

I kind of just think N_M flips scum the most often here

[Meuh]

and then we can figure out the rest

[Meuh]

Confirming that I am here and not sniping NM

[Meuh]

I'd kind of like to wait a bit before limming anyone though

[Meuh]

Can we put aside the "NM bad troll scum" tunnel for a second, do you really think they were competing scum wagons yesterday?

The issue is that scum on day 8 will definitely try harder to set up distancing (especially if the scum team wasn't in a super great position)
Like any combo of you/STD/someone else here would be desperate to set up some distancing to have a solid chance at endgame
and the fact this is the only thing you're commenting on (when it's something scum specifically would be mindful of if they're setting up distancing) concerns me

[Meuh]

Also votes are locked so Wheme if you're town and NM is also town then you've literally just lost us the game

[Meuh]

Merlyn and DGB please both signal your existence whenever you're around so we can confirm the scum team isn't both of you

[Meuh]

Yeah, there must be at least 1 scum there, otherwise town!Wheme + 2 scum on town!NM wins them the game

[Meuh]

I didn't really think Merlyn/DGB was the team so it doesn't really tell me that much
I guess NM/Wheme are confscum to the other though so that's cool
Also obviously be careful with your votes here, this is a tricky situation

[Meuh]

I guess all we really need to figure out is whether Wheme is town or not

[Meuh]

Or whether NM is, actually
If we can sort one then we're set
If either's town the other is scum, if either is scum then throw them out the window

[Meuh]

I mean it makes sense from your POV but it's trickier for us >_>

[Meuh]

I am leaning towards voting NM but it's hard not to be paranoid

[Meuh]

You win when only mafia remains or nothing can prevent the same.

I was gonna question whether you'd get to fight if you were wrong, but the mafia win con does seem to indicate that

[Meuh]

Even if I get set on NM I do wanna figure out the partner (in case I die tonight) so I'm not planning on rushing this

[Meuh]

But I guess Merlyn claimed roleblocker so probably wasn’t the best move but I’m right so

Also Merlyn prob not roleblocker

You're thinking it's Merlyn/NM?

[Meuh]

I was slightly paranoid on goofball but I don’t think he comes out today believing me when yesterday he thought I was scum

Yeah I get that
Although I had the concern that DGB might be trying to get in your good graces to win a you/them/Merlyn endgame
But also it hasn't exactly felt like that so meh

[Meuh]

SquirtleSquad was pretty townie though so Merlyn being scum is kind of a hard sell
But also has Merlyn done much to look townie?

[Meuh]

Cause actually you vs Merlyn's already been set up with the conflict in you wanting Merlyn dead and Chandra townreading her

[Meuh]

So maybe DGB's just trying to sit on the sidelines

[Meuh]

@FL define main wagon.

I like WhemeStar pushing here. A less active slot doesn't open on LLD here.

Rathe and Black good game state lims.

NM and Metens policy.

Drew and Metens good game state lims.

this being the first mention of NM is interesting - no trajectory

yawn

more votes on italiano or meuh

Meuh? Wtf...

weird std interaction

I am waiting for Titus to do some stuff that makes me think she's town. I am so far accepting the excuse that she's really busy for why I haven't seen her town fire yet but she's on my radar.

I'm trying here. As things ease up, I am posting more. I don't know what more I can do to show Drew is blatant scum besides catching him in a lie.

Limming ItalianoVD isn't the worst in the world given it's Blue slot but I'd rather do Drew.

im not sure what to make of titus chucking squirtle in the town bin and defending them forever. might be interesting to look at the other side of it

Math, please let things develop. "Bad" things may happen but we need to sort this out. Think of it like not overtalking in Botc. Take note and see who moves.

I'm not a fan of an StD wagon but I don't have an issue with people who voted (minus Italiano). That can check work.

weird std interaction

I started the day with people scum reading me and when asked for a case they didn't provide it. i'm not sure what you're expecting me to do besides defend myself. i don't understand why that makes me scum. i don't really understand why anything that's been said against me makes me scum, so i'm not sure how i'm supposed to prove that i'm town to anyone.

i have said multiple times that meuh isn't attempting to solve which i think is good reason to lock onto meuh. patchwork wasn't much better.

i've explained in depth my chandra read.

i've developed many town reads, and there are many people i wouldn't touch but it seems like that's getting ignored.

i'm willing to answer any questions but no one is actually interested in asking me anything about my reads, people seem content to sandbag me for a playstyle that quite frankly is pretty easy to recognize as my town meta. i've been as present as i can be with what i've got going on and to hear it said differently is getting it twisted.

I'd love a readwall or at least a lim list from you. I'm catching up now.

weird std interaction

VOTE: Save The Dragons

No reason beyond making the top two wagons closer.

Totally fine with this.

weird std-related interaction

Mala would lim
Std meh not elo
Meuh town
ItalianoVD would lim

Chandra, how much are you aware of my health situation? I think you're expecting healthy Titus here.

I had a vague impression something was going on but that's about it - you don't need to go into detail, I will accept this is some component of what's happening

Long story short. It's a breathing issue and it takes much longer to do things and focus. Most of it is spent on my job and I had a jury trial during the game. But I'll breathe better after the surgery but they prescribe pain meds that are very intoxicating. That's all I think is needed for now.

did we really manufacture me writing a case wall only to get brushed off by "lol health issues" & no substantive response

My VCA is kaput and who really wants to ISO Flavor Leaf? The closest things that we have to analyze without taking hours are things like NM's statement that fighting Girtiana makes them town which is null (both the claim and the fighting). Most everyone's reads come from prior actions. No one really wants to put hours into a stale game, especially when injured and ignorable.

"whatever you do don't iso flavor leaf" fuck does this mean i have to

Titus has a bunch of bad interactions with STD
Should look for bad interactions with the others

[Meuh]

Spoiler: Titus on Kittytacky/DGB

Walk this through for me logically for a moment:

You believe he was trying to get KittyTacked limmed as scum, by pointing to a game where they were scum together, and then telling people not to read it, presumably so they wouldn't catch him?

Also where they left out they were scum with Kitty until I mentioned it?

And then said they didn't want to use that game as an 'important evidence point' after that?

And no, I do not feel that Kitty is scum. I think they were looking for a mislim.....

Huh?

Uh I got nothing from this

FL is def town, like I'll be extremely shocked if he's scum.

Same

Simply agreeing here, in contrast with Titus throwing a bunch of questions STD's way and getting in long back-and-forths with FL.

ya blue is probably less attainable than i thought

VOTE: kitty

+scum

Calls Skygazer scummy in a post where they vote DGB, could go either way on this

Here's some VCA for Titus.

So Blue and Kitty were tied here...

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V OTECOUNT 1.19
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Blue. (4)	Titus, Save the Dragons, Skygazer, Meuh
KittyTacky (4)	Pink Ball, WhemeStar, Sheepsaysmeep, SquirtleSquad
Pink Ball (3)	Klick, SirCakez, Black
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Blue.
Metens (2)	Chandra Nalaar, Firebringer
Doctor Drew (1)	NorwegianboyEE
SirCakez (1)	KittyTacky
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Black (1)	Mittens
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
Titus (1)	Doctor Drew
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Enchant
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Replacing Blue.

Kitty takes the lead here...

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V OTECOUNT 1.20
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P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
KittyTacky (6)	Pink Ball, WhemeStar, Sheepsaysmeep, SquirtleSquad, Firebringer, Doctor Drew
Blue. (4)	Titus, Save the Dragons, Skygazer, Meuh
Pink Ball (3)	Klick, SirCakez, Black
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Blue.
Metens (1)	Chandra Nalaar
Doctor Drew (1)	NorwegianboyEE
SirCakez (1)	KittyTacky
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Black (1)	Mittens
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Enchant
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Replacing Blue.

Grows even bigger...

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V OTECOUNT 1.21
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P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
KittyTacky (9)	Pink Ball, WhemeStar, Sheepsaysmeep, SquirtleSquad, Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Skygazer, Meuh, Black
Pink Ball (2)	Klick, SirCakez
Blue. (2)	Titus, Save the Dragons
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Blue.
Metens (1)	Chandra Nalaar
Doctor Drew (1)	NorwegianboyEE
SirCakez (1)	KittyTacky
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Black (1)	Mittens
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Enchant
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Replacing Blue.

And here is when Kitty gets to E-2 and movement begins happening...

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V OTECOUNT 1.22
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P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
KittyTacky (10)	Pink Ball, WhemeStar, Sheepsaysmeep, SquirtleSquad, Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Skygazer, Meuh, Black, Save the Dragons
Pink Ball (2)	Klick, SirCakez
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Blue.
Blue. (1)	Titus
Metens (1)	Chandra Nalaar
Doctor Drew (1)	NorwegianboyEE
SirCakez (1)	KittyTacky
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Black (1)	Mittens
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Enchant
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Replacing Blue.

And we end up here...

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V OTECOUNT 1.23
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P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Blue. (8)	Titus, Klick, SquirtleSquad, Doctor Drew, Skygazer, Chandra Nalaar, Save the Dragons, Sheepsaysmeep
KittyTacky (5)	Pink Ball, WhemeStar, Firebringer, Meuh, Black
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Blue.
Pink Ball (2)	SirCakez
Doctor Drew (1)	NorwegianboyEE
SirCakez (1)	KittyTacky
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
Black (1)	Mittens
Not_Mafia (1)	Not_Mafia
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl, Enchant
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Replacing Blue.

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V OTECOUNT 1.26
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Rathe (10)	Titus, Klick, SquirtleSquad, Doctor Drew, Skygazer, Chandra Nalaar, Sheepsaysmeep, Save the Dragons, Meuh, Pink Ball
SirCakez (3)	KittyTacky, NorwegianboyEE, Firebringer
Black (3)	Mittens, Not_Mafia, Enchant
Meuh (2)	Ranger, Rathe
Chandra Nalaar (1)	Flavor Leaf
KittyTacky (1)	WhemeStar
Pink Ball (1)	SirCakez
Magical Girl (1)	Black
NOT VOTING: Magical Girl
With 23 alive, it takes 12 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-06-12 10:16:25)
Notes: All alive players gain +1 DEF. Flavor Leaf is V/LA until Sunday Magical Girl is V/LA until Monday

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I got nothing from this one but it's funny and Kitty's mentioned

Lady Lambdadelta,

Enchant, Firebringer, NorwegianboyEE, Skygazer, Metens, KittyTacky,

Doctor Drew,

SirCakez, Meuh, Sheepsaysmeep, Black

WhemeStar, Flavor Leaf,

Ranger, Doctor Drew,

KittyTacky, NorwegianboyEE, Malakittens, SirCakez, ItalianoVD, Enchant, Not_Mafia

For the record the list of voting both is
Kitty
Mala
SirCakez
Enchant

Also don't think this is super meaningful as this is an objective group of players and not a group Titus could just throw DGB in

2

Firebringer

3

SirCakez

4

Flavor Leaf

6

DrippingGoofball/KittyTacky

7

WhemeStar

8

ItalianoVD/Rathe/Blue.

9

Lazy Shirou/Skygazer

11

Titus

12

Chandra Nalaar

13

MathBlade/Sheepsaysmeep

15

biancospino/Enchant/Invisibility

17

Meuh/Patchwork

18

Black

19

Not_Mafia**

20

SquirtleSquad

21

Malakittens/Metens* (Malakittens + Mewtaph)

22

Yimmy/NorwegianboyEE

Interesting. Can you elaborate more on the DGB, Meuh and Math reads?

generally pushing for more discussion on DGB, this feels vaguely reminiscent of her treatment of STD actually

Ex;

Magical Girl (12)

Lady Lambdadelta, Enchant, Firebringer

, NorwegianboyEE,

Skygazer

,

Metens

, KittyTacky,

Doctor Drew

, SirCakez, Meuh,

Sheepsaysmeep

, Black
Lady Lambdadelta (11)

WhemeStar, Flavor Leaf, Ranger, Doctor Drew,

KittyTacky, NorwegianboyEE,

Malakittens

, SirCakez,

ItalianoVD, Enchant,

Not_Mafia

look what you've done to me im actually coloring in vote counts ive finally lost it

What did Chandra even accomplish with this post? I see nothing showing she actually was trying to solve the game here.

Yimmy, Cakez, and DGB slots were on both Magical Girl and LLD, so there's scum in there. Leaning Cakez/DGB, at least 1.

DGB hands down. I don't see a town!DGB naked voting me and leaving.

This is pretty interesting actually, FL makes a pool of Cakez/DGB, Titus insists on DGB being scum there. Are FL/Titus throwing a partner UTB or are they pushing agenda? Considering the momentum the team had and how inaccurate a lot of the presumptions town had made about scum's placement on wagons, I could see this just be a pool of townies, but I also think scum would love to throw shade at a partner while also interacting with a partner, there's like degrees of distancing there

Pretty sure DGB is scum here fwiw. Naked voting the only person who agrees that sorting outside the parity cop is a good idea when that person is outside it just shows it's a distraction rather than genuine.

Hmm

I'm just having fun thinking about this not serious but what if we pivoted to NM and then I hide in such a way as to intentionally die

Not opposed to this, but it's circular logic.

If we believe FL and if we believed your claim to hide as to die, then we'd just eliminate Black and encourage you not to die.

Who have you hid behind?

N1 failed due to shirou ascetic
N2 dgb
N3 failed due to merlyns role apparently
N4 knocked out

At the start I was aiming for likely town players I didn't think would be nightkilled or battled, later decided the town aspect wasn't that important

To be clear, does you!town mean dbg!town or are you not weak?

Uhhhhhhhh is this question genuine?

I'm gonna be so mad if I was right on Chandra/Wheme here and scum are pulling me off

I'd be mad too. I hate focusing in this pool because my independent read levels support eliminating NM or DGB. Not the active people claimed.

Of course looking at wagons has got us into this mess so...

and here the lumping of NM/DGB together starts. I think this implicates one scum there, Titus benefits from setting up this town/scum pair if possible, and this sets up DGB as a sort of inevitable lim which is ideal when scum only need one mislim at this point. (Assuming NM is scum, DGB town makes sense considering this)

I'm gonna be so mad if I was right on Chandra/Wheme here and scum are pulling me off

I'd be mad too. I hate focusing in this pool because my independent read levels support eliminating NM or DGB. Not the active people claimed.

Of course looking at wagons has got us into this mess so...

Also yeah I agree DGB and NM are the most likely scum at this point I think

What happens if you me Chandra turn around and vote NM?

Yeah that post is gibberish. I'm reprhasing that then I'm out.

All we'd be ensuring by eliminating in the 5 names is continuing the NM/DGB problem down the road and likely without the votes from me or Cakey to deal with it. Regardless of who is scum, NM and DGB likely are.

There. I think this looks really good for DGB here, Titus is propping up this idea of a narrowing POE and pointing to NM and DGB as needing to be scum for the game to make sense. She's kind of forced to do this with NM considering his positioning but I think she had a lot more flexibility around DGB but decided to lump them in with NM.

I was supposed to get healed like 3 nights in a row.

Scum knew my HP from when I battled Giratina.

I healed Cakez.
Then you blocked me by sending me to Giratina.
Then a wild creature knocked me out.

Even if I wanted this last night, I couldn't.

Did you need to be healed to win last night?

Why would I send you to Giratina when you were going to heal meb

Time my heal? Protect you from a vig?

How would I time it?

After Black flips, someone might vig you. DGB and Wheme seem to postulate that Wheme is a vig.

After Black flips town, wheme would vig you no?

This might indicate DGB town too? Since Wheme isn't actuallly vig, the way she defers to the info they have here could be indicative of Titus not having solid info of her own regarding Wheme's role (which she'd have if partnered with DGB

The Chandra telling DGB to give Wheme two actions really is the kicker that should show those two are scum here.

You really think that you can just convince DGB that Chandra and Wheme are both scum? Lmao

This doesn't feel like posturing around a partner, Titus' answer here actually feels genuine and both FL and Titus seem to be implying DGB being independant of them.

FL is protecting someone. With locked votes, discussion effectively stops when someone is voted. Want to discuss NM? Welp FL's voted? Want to discuss DGB? FL is voted. So on and so forth.

Lumping DGB/NM continues

a few people (meuh, titus, off the top of my head) have proposed dgb for today. give me a reason to listen. any posts that seem like a scum mindset that you can point to?

Lack of revive, lack of motivation (not looking for extensive analysis but some effort), PoE

Doesn't really have that bus energy but I might just be confbiasing at this point

[Meuh]

i am town

i tried content posting and wheme was like "i'm confused" and no one else really even commented on it

Not partnered with Wheme

[Meuh]

VC 1 eod

Magical Girl

(12)

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Enchant

,

Firebringer

,

NorwegianboyEE

,

Skygazer

,

Metens

, KittyTacky,

Doctor Drew

,

SirCakez

, Meuh,

Sheepsaysmeep

,

Black

Black

(4)

Rathe

, Not_Mafia,

Flavor Leaf

,

Klick

Meuh (3)

Ranger

,

Save the Dragons

,

Chandra Nalaar

Metens

(1) WhemeStar

Lady Lambdadelta

(1) SquirtleSquad

SirCakez

(1)

Titus

VC 2 eod

Lady Lambdadelta

(11) WhemeStar,

Flavor Leaf

,

Ranger

,

Doctor Drew

, KittyTacky,

NorwegianboyEE

,

Malakittens

,

SirCakez

,

ItalianoVD

,

Enchant

, Not_Mafia

ItalianoVD

(5) SquirtleSquad,

Sheepsaysmeep

,

Chandra Nalaar

,

Save the Dragons

,

Titus

Titus

(1)

Firebringer

Doctor Drew

(1)

Lady Lambdadelta

Save the Dragons

(1) Meuh

Firebringer

(1)

Black

NOT VOTING:

Skygazer

VC 3 eod

Malakittens

(10)

Chandra Nalaar

,

MathBlade

,

Titus

, Merlyn,

Firebringer

,

Lazy Shirou

,

Flavor Leaf

, Meuh, WhemeStar, DrippingGoofball

Save The Dragons

(3)

ItalianoVD

,

SirCakez

, Not_Mafia
Meuh (3)

Save the Dragons

,

Malakittens

,

Black

ItalianoVD

(2)

Yimmy

,

biancospino

VC 4 eod (Modkilled)

ItalianoVD

(6)

Yimmy

, Not_Mafia,

Titus

,

Save The Dragons

,

Black

, DrippingGoofball

Black

(3)

Flavor Leaf

,

biancospino

, Meuh

Titus

(2)

Chandra Nalaar

,

Firebringer

DrippingGoofball (2) Merlyn,

ItalianoVD

Chandra Nalaar

(1)

SirCakez

NOT VOTING: WhemeStar

VC 5 eod

Black

(7)

Flavor Leaf

,

Chandra Nalaar

, WhemeStar,

Titus

, Not_Mafia,

Save The Dragons

,

Black

WhemeStar (2)

SirCakez

, Merlyn

Titus

(1) DrippingGoofball
NOT VOTING: Meuh,

Yimmy

VC 6 eod

Flavor Leaf

(4)

Yimmy

,

SirCakez

, Meuh,

Flavor Leaf

, Merlyn,

Chandra Nalaar

NOT VOTING: Everyone Else

VC 7 eod

Titus

(5) DrippingGoofball,

Yimmy

, Merlyn, Meuh, Not_Mafia
NOT VOTING: Everyone Else

VC 8 eod
Save The Dragons (5)

Chandra Nalaar

, Meuh, Drippinggoofball,

Yimmy

, WhemeStar
Not_Mafia (2)

Save The Dragons

, Merlyn
NOT VOTING: Everyone Else

Thank you for this STD
Now updated with new info

[Meuh]

Can we put aside the "NM bad troll scum" tunnel for a second, do you really think they were competing scum wagons yesterday?

The issue is that scum on day 8 will definitely try harder to set up distancing (especially if the scum team wasn't in a super great position)
Like any combo of you/STD/someone else here would be desperate to set up some distancing to have a solid chance at endgame
and the fact this is the only thing you're commenting on (when it's something scum specifically would be mindful of if they're setting up distancing) concerns me

Yes but there's distancing and then there's the wagon comp from yesterday, if scum were distancing I would be the sacrifice, they would have parked on me, it's not like the would have drawn flak for voting me, instead, I've been left as the perfect winning miselim.

I agree they wanted you as a sacrifice if you're scum, which would explain why STD voted for you before anyone else voted and why Merlyn piled onto it

[Meuh]

I think I have to just trust that DGB is town at this point

[Meuh]

MG wagon probably had 0 scum on it
that's wild

[Meuh]

Can we put aside the "NM bad troll scum" tunnel for a second, do you really think they were competing scum wagons yesterday?

The issue is that scum on day 8 will definitely try harder to set up distancing (especially if the scum team wasn't in a super great position)
Like any combo of you/STD/someone else here would be desperate to set up some distancing to have a solid chance at endgame
and the fact this is the only thing you're commenting on (when it's something scum specifically would be mindful of if they're setting up distancing) concerns me

Yes but there's distancing and then there's the wagon comp from yesterday, if scum were distancing I would be the sacrifice, they would have parked on me, it's not like the would have drawn flak for voting me, instead, I've been left as the perfect winning miselim.

I agree they wanted you as a sacrifice if you're scum, which would explain why STD voted for you before anyone else voted and why Merlyn piled onto it

Like the reason the STD lim went through was because Chandra and I piled on there and pushed for it to happen

[Meuh]

So even if scum wanted you as a sacrifice, you'd still be alive today

[Meuh]

I am considering forming a day one alliance.

Those who I wish to join my alliance:
Flavor, Chandra, Norwee, Drew and Squirtle

We will call ourselves the elite 6. Sounds like a good plan to me
Don't even townread everyone in that group just think this is a fun alliance.
How about we defeat all these poser trainers.

Hmm

[Meuh]

I think I have to just trust that DGB is town at this point

Does that mean we agree on Merlyn?

I think so

[Meuh]

Merlyn scum kinda makes sense but also SquirtleSquad scum is a hard pill to swallow

[Meuh]

I want DGB and Merlyn's input on all of this before committing to a vote

[Meuh]

Titus really tried to drown me with NM.

Yeah... I think that just has to be it

[Meuh]

I'd be more skeptical if Titus had started that after Black had flipped, but in that game state, Titus pushing you and NM if you're both scum is ???

[Meuh]

Maybe we exist in the fucked world where you're both town though I don't even know at this point

[Meuh]

It's just Merlyn/N_M right? I'm not going crazy?

[Meuh]

If we were in a different state of the game I might be advocating for a Merlyn lim but here that'd just be kicking the problem of solving Wheme/NM down the road (when I'll probably be dead)

[Meuh]

I still think Cakes is scummy for that dummy question and generally isn't doing very much.

VOTE: SirCakez

WTF why are people still hung up on the training dummy question?

Squirtle is trying to be mean to me/get me tilted (??) but it's not gonna work. Sorry bruv.

I still think Cakes is scummy for that dummy question and generally isn't doing very much.

VOTE: SirCakez

Are we reading the same game?
Or nay, are we existing in the same dimension?

Cakez didn't start doing anything until I pushed him

Who are your scumreads?

I know I have no evidence or anything to actually prove this but the timing of me coming in there was just a coincidence not because I saw your push or whatever

Town Cakez here

I still think Cakes is scummy for that dummy question and generally isn't doing very much.

VOTE: SirCakez

WTF why are people still hung up on the training dummy question?

If you ask me they're the real dummies!

Also made me laugh you can also be town

Like if you're tunneled you're legit playing the most embarrassing town game of all time and if you're scum you're gunna flip well before me so I have a hard time figuring out what your angle is here. Your points against me don't make any sense, and its hard to even call them points because you've ignored me every time I asked for examples and just said you "hate the way I'm playing" with no further explanation.

Its legit frustrating dude.

Actually this is scum
Frustration is the easiest emotion for scum to actually have and then manipulate to look townie
The emphasis on not being able to nudge Cakez feels more like frustrated scum than town
Like "as a base point I can understand being scumread but the fact that this is something that the way you're playing isn't allowing me to alter is very frustrating"
That's a thought a townie can have but it's something scum would feel way more strongly about

I still think Cakes is scummy for that dummy question and generally isn't doing very much.

VOTE: SirCakez

WTF why are people still hung up on the training dummy question?

This is why I kinda lean town on Cakez now, definitely a reaction I would have as town.

Yoooo I mindmelded with Drew, he's town now

i wanna say cakez and squirtle is TvT

i don't have good reads on either of them but this feels like one of those deraily TvT arguments

I agree you don't have good reads on them cause Squirtle is SCUM!

VOTE: SquirtleSquad
FLASHWAGON

Holy shit I was so right when I replaced in

[Meuh]

I was ISOing Squirtle, thought some posts were bad and thought "wait, didn't I already call them out?" and I DID right when I replaced in

[Meuh]

Page 1 of Squirtle ISO is pure scum agenda pushing, then a back and forth with FL (unsurprising since that's also what FL was doing with Titus) and then Squirtle has a weird bad scumread on Titus that feels superficial in a way scum would fabricate a read on their partner

[Meuh]

VOTE: patchwork

This feels like a bus?

Believable, just one problem.
This feels like Titus-scum.
You lack passion.

snip

I agree.

VOTE: patchwork

This feels like a bus?

Believable, just one problem.
This feels like Titus-scum.
You lack passion.

snip

I agree.

Hmm, last time I saw scumTitus she actually showed some fire.

what game was that

I associate WIM with town titus quite a bit.

titus when are you going to mech solve this game.

its kinda bullshit you havent done so already.

I read all people who I think have really wide scum ranges this way.

Gtyh what's your read on me?

Before this latest push I would have said scum but I'm not sure now. I tend to associate solving WIM with town!titus and I haven't seen any of that from you up until now. I will say a lot of this stuff seems to be very surface level and not solvy but its enough for me to want to give you a pass to let you cook.

I am getting general town vibes from Titus' posts here. I feel she is actually doing some town stuff and not just existing like she does as scum. Someone already said WIM = town Titus

Yeah, it was FUCKING ME.

JFC.

How did you internalize that "someone said WIM = town for titus" and not notice its the person you're tunnel scum reading for no reason?

it's cray cray to me that you saw me point out (I did it multiple times) that my read of titus is dependent on WIM fire being more likely to come from town, saw me use that in real time to try to sort titus, and then didn't remember that at all as part of your attempt to form a read on me.

Like if that is actually what happened what the actual elephants.

This is so fucking partnered

[Meuh]

I don't care if I'm conf biasing that read is SO partnered goddamn

[Meuh]

Squirtle had the same "I'm always down to policy lim NM" stance without ever actually pushing to policy lim NM that Titus had

[Meuh]

Squirtle's FL interactions look less bad but they also looked less bad for Titus and STD so I think FL just managed associatives pretty well

[Meuh]

anyone want to pile up on Not_Mafia and beat their pokemon to death???????

I'm always generically down to policy NM

If he's on your PoE I'm giving you something in exchange of nothing for me since you're already willing to vote there.

This is a deal for someone who's not planning on voting Kitty

in that case i'm not down to wagon kitty

VOTE: kitty

I don't want a NM wagon, I categorically oppose NM wagon D1 every game because it's impossible to read NM and so it's essentially random. Random lims hurt town.

This is objectively false.

Removing someone who is actively hindering the town is good.

N_Ms alignment is irrelevant.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
just to make shea prophecy true

Is this a trick? You must know the only thing that would truly tempt me off my rathe wagon would be policy limming NM.

"lets just compromise on a lurker slot that we have no real reason to believe is scum and gives us basically no information because they've barely talked at all." is such a frustrating and therefore fitting way to end today.

Team "lets just policy NM" activating

Like CMONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
He had the sway to make that lim happen, never did he ever place a vote there

[Meuh]

Like if you're tunneled you're legit playing the most embarrassing town game of all time and if you're scum you're gunna flip well before me so I have a hard time figuring out what your angle is here. Your points against me don't make any sense, and its hard to even call them points because you've ignored me every time I asked for examples and just said you "hate the way I'm playing" with no further explanation.

Its legit frustrating dude.

This is like the biggest scumtell ever why did I drop this cause of good surface level play?????

[Meuh]

The scum team can resign now that I've done my thing

[Meuh]

VOTE: SquirtleSquad
FLASHWAGON

Nah

STD defending his partner?????? REal???????

[Meuh]

VOTE: SquirtleSquad
FLASHWAGON

I so want to join for the lulz....oh serpent why do you tempt me!

Actually, let's flash wagon Titus

VOTE: Titus

Drew is too fucking good at this game

[Meuh]

I keep seeing anti-partnered Squirtle/Kitty things and I'm like wow DGB and Merlyn aren't partnered!!! and then I remember that's like the only solid information we have here

[Meuh]

Elite 6 go?

I still town read Kitty, but I want to get to night to get my special prize

VOTE: Kitty

The elite 6 was purely a tool to give scum influence :( :( :(

[Meuh]

Meuh is town here.

DGB you down to commit to NM -> Merlyn?

[Meuh]

I've circled back to day 1/day 2 Meuh opinions I was so much smarter back then (what age does to someone...)

[Meuh]

Can't believe this game started in 2010

[Meuh]

Chandra if Merlyn is town then I'm sorry

[Meuh]

You wanna vote there right now?

[Meuh]

You have to pinky promise you do Merlyn tomorrow unless some weird shit happens overnight

[Meuh]

Votes are locked and 3 is hammer

[Meuh]

I wanna hammer rn

[Meuh]

VOTE: N_M
Not scum!

[Meuh]

Are you?

[Meuh]

Did I lose to the legendary DGB/Wheme team

[Meuh]

I believe you!

[Meuh]

I think we might actually win this game

[Meuh]

Maybe it's Merlyn/Wheme and we're the real idiots here though

[Meuh]

But you're town and Wheme/NM don't read partnered so uhhhh I think we're good?

[Meuh]

Yeah... I was still paranoid about it though if I'm being honest

[Meuh]

Wow

[Meuh]

gg and thanks for modding!

[Meuh]

That last hour is the most fun I've had playing in a while so I'm happy regardless