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Votecount 2-XIII

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer.

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execution votes

marcistar (5 = E-2):

Flavor Leaf (1817), Cat Scratch Fever (1818), Aureal (1826), camelCasedSnivy (1867), Hu Tao (1882)

Aureal (2):

SirCakez (1903), Merlyn (2070)

Deal With The Devil (1):

RCEnigma (1524)

SirCakez (1):

meowmeow (1720)

meowmeow (1):

Enchant (2067)

Not voting (2):

marcistar, Deal With The Devil (2047)

projects votes

Torture (5):

SirCakez (1470), Cat Scratch Fever (1471), Merlyn (1495), Flavor Leaf (1497), Hu Tao (1684)

Election Security (5):

Aureal (1992), Deal With The Devil (2004), camelCasedSnivy (2005), meowmeow (2052), RCEnigma (2054)

Trading Outpost (1):

Enchant (1504)

Not voting (1):

marcistar

notes

• The Deadline is due in (expired on 2023-08-19 11:00:00).

[Deal With The Devil]

VOTE: Marcistar

I think this is good. She's skated by largely on tone so far, but I feel like she's just been coming in to argue against people's scumreads of her instead of trying to find scum

I don't even know that I would even say she's doing that much.

VOTE: marcistar

This is...true. But is it really alignment indicative? I mean, as scum she should know refusing to post reads draws suspicion to her, it's such a basic thing.

Marci doesn't even have a vote on anyone. Is it really likely that there are 3 other players in a PT with her somewhere and they're not asking her to at least try and get on a wagon?

The fact that game has slowed to a crawl and there's no one angling for a different lim makes me think that scum is content with this lim.
VOTE: Aureal I would be better with this lim than Marci

Hu Tao, why are you scum reading Marci?

You really seem to want to make sure Marci stays alive, you are really protecting her in all sorts of ways.

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[Deal With The Devil]

VOTE: Marci

E-1.....again

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[camelCasedSnivy]

I want to stick with Torture and T Post please

did this change after what deal with the devil proposed?

[camelCasedSnivy]

i almost wanna say everyone on torture vote gets ever so slight scum points at an attempt to overturn the torture target

[Merlyn]

VOTE: Marcistar

I think this is good. She's skated by largely on tone so far, but I feel like she's just been coming in to argue against people's scumreads of her instead of trying to find scum

I don't even know that I would even say she's doing that much.

VOTE: marcistar

This is...true. But is it really alignment indicative? I mean, as scum she should know refusing to post reads draws suspicion to her, it's such a basic thing.

Marci doesn't even have a vote on anyone. Is it really likely that there are 3 other players in a PT with her somewhere and they're not asking her to at least try and get on a wagon?

The fact that game has slowed to a crawl and there's no one angling for a different lim makes me think that scum is content with this lim.
VOTE: Aureal I would be better with this lim than Marci

Hu Tao, why are you scum reading Marci?

You really seem to want to make sure Marci stays alive, you are really protecting her in all sorts of ways.

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Yeah, if we're scum partners I would be doing a shitty job distancing myself from her. Really dumb of me when you think of it to fight against a late wagon instead bussing and hopping on.

So you disagree with all of the points I raised in the posts you quoted?

[Aureal]

i almost wanna say everyone on torture vote gets ever so slight scum points at an attempt to overturn the torture target

I have no idea what you're trying to say here?

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao, why are you scum reading Marci?

I didn't like their post I quoted earlier. Looked like they were trying to seem like they were "unbothered town" but it just seemed forced to me

[Hu Tao]

I'm willing to switch if you can convince me why Aureal is scum

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Marcistar

I think this is good. She's skated by largely on tone so far, but I feel like she's just been coming in to argue against people's scumreads of her instead of trying to find scum

I don't even know that I would even say she's doing that much.

VOTE: marcistar

This is...true. But is it really alignment indicative? I mean, as scum she should know refusing to post reads draws suspicion to her, it's such a basic thing.

Marci doesn't even have a vote on anyone. Is it really likely that there are 3 other players in a PT with her somewhere and they're not asking her to at least try and get on a wagon?

The fact that game has slowed to a crawl and there's no one angling for a different lim makes me think that scum is content with this lim.
VOTE: Aureal I would be better with this lim than Marci

Hu Tao, why are you scum reading Marci?

You really seem to want to make sure Marci stays alive, you are really protecting her in all sorts of ways.

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Good catch

[Hu Tao]

i almost wanna say everyone on torture vote gets ever so slight scum points at an attempt to overturn the torture target

I have no idea what you're trying to say here?

Thought I was the only one

[camelCasedSnivy]

i almost wanna say everyone on torture vote gets ever so slight scum points at an attempt to overturn the torture target

I have no idea what you're trying to say here?

in the case marci is scum (or maybe FL but doubt) scum would want to control the torture vote onto a town player (which is better for them)

[Flavor Leaf]

on torture is townier

[Flavor Leaf]

i almost wanna say everyone on torture vote gets ever so slight scum points at an attempt to overturn the torture target

I have no idea what you're trying to say here?

in the case marci is scum (or maybe FL but doubt) scum would want to control the torture vote onto a town player (which is better for them)

this is bad for them. it gets a conf townie.

a 25% guilty lets scum get out of it possibly, albeit very small, but yeah, depending on who it's on, it gets rid of a misfade. we spent money to get this, scum dont want torture to go through at all

[Flavor Leaf]

aureal has been the counterwagon attempt for a minute.

i pushed aureal earlier and nobody cared, and then marci gets pushed and everyone starts to want aureal. thats scum indicative of marciscum imo

[Hu Tao]

Agreed. Those against torture are more suspect

[Aureal]

Oh, I think I see what you mean, but I think we've pretty much arrived at the 'consensus' that it's FL or meow depending on marci's flip. So if it ends up on you or something, I expect a lot of explanation will be in order.

Now I almost want to vote that so I can try to control it to someone else seeing as those are my top townreads so it's not really doing much for me. >_>

meh

[Aureal]

aureal has been the counterwagon attempt for a minute.

i pushed aureal earlier and nobody cared, and then marci gets pushed and everyone starts to want aureal. thats scum indicative of marciscum imo

But... you were voting me earlier, saying Merlyn and marci were also candidates to push. Why would scum not go for it then and instead wait for you to change your mind? If you're thinking this is a scum defense of marci, that would implicate Merlyn with her. So it'd be quite odd for them to not strike while the iron is hot seeing as you were likely to turn against scum next- Merlyn at the least should know you're pretty fickle and that was likely to happen.

[Flavor Leaf]

aureal has been the counterwagon attempt for a minute.

i pushed aureal earlier and nobody cared, and then marci gets pushed and everyone starts to want aureal. thats scum indicative of marciscum imo

But... you were voting me earlier, saying Merlyn and marci were also candidates to push. Why would scum not go for it then and instead wait for you to change your mind? If you're thinking this is a scum defense of marci, that would implicate Merlyn with her. So it'd be quite odd for them to not strike while the iron is hot seeing as you were likely to turn against scum next- Merlyn at the least should know you're pretty fickle and that was likely to happen.

they probably would have been okay with it going onto you, but they needed more townies to push there.

the fact you started getting heat after marci got pushed into is indicative scum are hoping townies will back off of marci onto aureal imo.

Keep in mind, with 4 scum, day play is super heavily weighted pro scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

im not like 100% on meow torture if marci flips scum.

i think if marci town, always on me, but if marci scum, we can talk it over in council.

i actually would prefer if we dont add more people onto the council because i think those of us who got on it earlier are more likely town, and messing up the balance just seems scum preferential.

So we dont need more on Torture here.

[Enchant]

Too bad.

HURT: Torture
VOTE: Marci

[Flavor Leaf]

aureal has been the counterwagon attempt for a minute.

i pushed aureal earlier and nobody cared, and then marci gets pushed and everyone starts to want aureal. thats scum indicative of marciscum imo

But... you were voting me earlier, saying Merlyn and marci were also candidates to push. Why would scum not go for it then and instead wait for you to change your mind? If you're thinking this is a scum defense of marci, that would implicate Merlyn with her. So it'd be quite odd for them to not strike while the iron is hot seeing as you were likely to turn against scum next- Merlyn at the least should know you're pretty fickle and that was likely to happen.

i just dont really see the point of this post, tbh.

you had like zero pressure when i was pushing you, and both marci and meowmeow stepped in after that time.

[Flavor Leaf]

i think we should stay on Odds with Tortue.

So let's get a 7th.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, Enchant's looking like a fade tomorrow bar a guilty.

[Flavor Leaf]

They're in their too bad so sad scum meta.