mini theme 2315 - love child (game over)

[Meuh]

I love taxes!

[Meuh]

Theta you're town right?

[Meuh]

VOTE: Hu Tao
Forgot to RVS in my opener... I'm losing my touch

[Meuh]

Theta you're town right?

we can both see in a future day whether i am or not

i mean that is how flips work and i doubt i survive this game but we will see

I have fear on whether you've already affected your chances of this
Guess we'll have to see, probably not best to dwell on it too much for now

[Meuh]

i mean

a godfather does in a way satisfy the conditions of one moderator lie potentially though i do not count godfathers or millers as moderator lies myself so

Considering the moderator lie bit mentions that some may not consider it to be a lie and that it may not even happen, this could straight up be it

[Meuh]

Doctor Drew... you wouldn't roll scum, right?

[Meuh]

Wrong

[Meuh]

Theta can you tell Ircher not to vote for me?

[Meuh]

Wait it does

[Meuh]

Good point, probably something unusual then

[Meuh]

- at least one of you received the following role pm:

It's confirmed to be at least one VT

[Meuh]

The wording there could mean that someone got a role pm addressed to Andante but isn't Andante? I don't really have a clue at this point

[Meuh]

I'm not voting for you, that's not OMGUS

[Meuh]

I don't think they actually are

[Meuh]

i am guessing that we get a no answer on that question

also wow it is not like there could be multiple mason groups or similar could it

Yeah that sounds completely illogical as a concept, so true...

Doubt we get mod clarification on Andante's alignment but I'll echo Ircher's sentiment, no reason not to assume Andante is town for now I suppose

[Meuh]

VOTE: Theta Alpine
found scum already

I'm pretty sure Theta is town here tbh

[Meuh]

Broccoli feels like scum going "ah crap, is andante an IC??"

idk that's just the vibe I get from them with these posts

lol no i feel blessed being in your IC presence.

Did you turn into a third party? Are you now a frozen broccoli?

[Meuh]

Not really seeing scum Ircher thus far

[Meuh]

Gamma vaguely looks town? I can see Broccoli town, at the very least I don't think they're scummy enough for me to be interested in a wagon there

VOTE: Titus
Don't think she has any interest in solving the game tbh

[Meuh]

I'm here

[Meuh]

maybe it's a little extra to have two vote counts on one page, but i'm going for it

nah it's great

I'm here

thoughts?

Still think Titus is scummy

I kind of think we need a flip at this point? Under the impression that night actions will be meaningful

[Meuh]

I think it's part curiosity as to what will happen, and part fear that the mafia will garner too much information from a longer day 1 and have a clearer path forward. 15 pages may be low to the point where it becomes pretty problematic for us long-term though...

[Meuh]

Voting for me is bad btw, I happen to be town

[Meuh]

I always beetlejuice it's fun

[Meuh]

Ircher (6) - Hu Tao, Doctor Drew, Titus, Gamma Emerald, Broccoli Quest 2, Afrayed Knott

the fact this wagon is composed of 2 of my higher level scum reads... really makes me have a hard time believing ircher flips scum

lol oops typo - ircher is never flipping scum here with that wagon comp

I only feel weird about Broccoli.

How about we kick the tires on Meuh?

VOTE: Meuh

Broccoli has gotten better, I kinda like them lol

ehhh idk a read on meuh, feel better about titus/afrayed scum

Drew, why are you now interested in going away from ircher?

I am doubting my read on him, and I think Meuh's last few posts are much more damning than what Ircher has posted

This does feel a lot more like you seeing an angle of attack from my posting than you actually being convinced I'm scum

[Meuh]

Lol, thank you for the edit HPE.

My brain likes to have two thoughts going at once and started to writes how does a short day help town, and switched to the other thought mid sentence.

Also, I like this assertive HPE, it is growing on me as town

Pre Edit: Meuh making that post makes me think town may be on the wrong path, and they want to end the day before we get on the right path

Pre Edit: Meuh making that post makes me think town may be on the wrong path, and they want to end the day before we get on the right path

You think it might be scum-indicative then?

Long of of saying yes from me lol

Ircher (6) - Hu Tao, Doctor Drew, Titus, Gamma Emerald, Broccoli Quest 2, Afrayed Knott

the fact this wagon is composed of 2 of my higher level scum reads... really makes me have a hard time believing ircher flips scum

lol oops typo - ircher is never flipping scum here with that wagon comp

I only feel weird about Broccoli.

How about we kick the tires on Meuh?

VOTE: Meuh

The only conviction shown is the one on getting me dead, the actual read just feels like you pointing at something odd and going "hey guys, look, a vaguely scummy thing!"

[Meuh]

Are you accusing Andante of being scum here??

[Meuh]

I can see the scum me angle but Andante is one of the only people solving here and said solving looks townie to me

[Meuh]

Are you accusing Andante of being scum here??

I read it as we're scum buddies lol

Yeah exactly which seems silly to me

[Meuh]

Are you accusing Andante of being scum here??

Does that upset you?

Pre Edit: Oh it does, what do you make of Adante briefly voting you then?

Andante voting for me was a townie going through a thought process that had me as scum somewhere along the line? Is this meant to be a gotcha?

[Meuh]

I can see the scum me angle but Andante is

one of the only people

solving here and said solving looks townie to me

The only person??

[Meuh]

[Meuh]

Cauliflower

[Meuh]

Meuhhhhhhhh I know you are town so can you please do something fun like voting someone unexpected and starting a new wagon? This game needs more life in it.

Was thinking yesterday that there's scum in Alianna/Hu Tao like 92% of the time when just looking at the PL, found Hu Tao's ISO yawn inducing and now Alianna's gotten replaced and I kinda wanna let Furtive settle in before starting anything (though I find Alianna's ISO bad tbh)

[Meuh]

I actually have a scumread page 5. This is so weird.

Like this post is scum self-awareness and not town self-awareness, right?

[Meuh]

Titus' ISO is also yawn inducing and scummier than yours
Maybe there's merit to a vote on you for the sake of pressure but meh
I'll VOTE: Furtive though

[Meuh]

Gamma vaguely looks town? I can see Broccoli town, at the very least I don't think they're scummy enough for me to be interested in a wagon there

VOTE: Titus
Don't think she has any interest in solving the game tbh

I don't see anything towny from GE prior to this post.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Theta Alpine
found scum already

Aureal gets a D1 pass

I’m down to speedwagon on Broccoli

I no longer am interested in voting Broccoli

The laid back tone here feels both genuine and town indicative

[Meuh]

I can see the scum me angle

but Andante is one of the only people solving here and said solving looks townie to me

I feel like scum usually say this more than town because they think it looks noble

True but I'm still town

[Meuh]

Titus' ISO is also yawn inducing and scummier than yours
Maybe there's merit to a vote on you for the sake of pressure but meh
I'll VOTE: Furtive though

I also don't buy this explanation

I checked your ISO but not Alianna's yesterday for context if that somehow helps

[Meuh]

I can see the scum me angle

but Andante is one of the only people solving here and said solving looks townie to me

I feel like scum usually say this more than town because they think it looks noble

True but I'm still town

I've seen Andante post like that as scum before. The game with Firebringer also scum and it was a scum sweep

Also, what in your eyes made you seem like scum to yourself?

HPE calling my posting and stance around wanting to end day weird was fair
There's enough weirdness to my gameplay (that while I think is probably outdone by towniness) that I can see people reasonably come to the conclusion of me being scum based off of.
Andante's posting is town indicative (like mine), but lacks the weirdness that made me stick out around there, so an Andante scumread felt harder to understand

[Meuh]

I would never be present and not meaningfully engage with the game!

[Meuh]

Titus is annoyed, OK I know that I have been lined up as a possible scumbuddy to her, but she is starting to sound like a fucked off Town Duck.

Why though? Frustration is like the easiest tone for scum to genuinely have and then carry over into looking townie. Scum get cleared off of easily fakeable annoyed/frustrated tones all the time when they're just genuine emotions being slightly repackaged into a townie mindset

[Meuh]

Was thinking yesterday that there's scum in Alianna/Hu Tao like 92% of the time when just looking at the PL, found Hu Tao's ISO yawn inducing and now Alianna's gotten replaced and I kinda wanna let Furtive settle in before starting anything (though I find Alianna's ISO bad tbh)

But Hu hasn't been in the game, so where did the read come from?

"Just looking at the PL" was literal, I went to page 1 of the game and looked at the PL. As a general amalgam of Hu Tao/Alianna's treatment by others, POE and how I felt about their posting, it just made sense for scum to exist there. Pretty sure Alianna hadn't posted in a while when I made this post or when I checked the PL and that idea came to mind, so why single out Hu Tao here?

[Meuh]

I get the pagetop

[Meuh]

It's something I've been told as dying scum by teammates before - "hey can you start pushing/townreading x/y?". It would also explain the sudden massive push on Titus with only a single unexplained vote as precedent. Right now I think I'd prefer to eliminate not Ircher just because I have stronger scumreads (e.g. you).

Wait huh? That doesn't seem like what happened? Wasn't I voting Titus with Ircher for a while there? I don't feel like there was ever a massive push, just people looking at her posting and thinking "huh, this is scummy", which I think is fair cause well, her posting's scummy

[Meuh]

Was thinking yesterday that there's scum in Alianna/Hu Tao like 92% of the time when just looking at the PL, found Hu Tao's ISO yawn inducing and now Alianna's gotten replaced and I kinda wanna let Furtive settle in before starting anything (though I find Alianna's ISO bad tbh)

But Hu hasn't been in the game, so where did the read come from?

"Just looking at the PL" was literal, I went to page 1 of the game and looked at the PL. As a general amalgam of Hu Tao/Alianna's treatment by others, POE and how I felt about their posting, it just made sense for scum to exist there. Pretty sure Alianna hadn't posted in a while when I made this post or when I checked the PL and that idea came to mind, so why single out Hu Tao here?

I've liked Hu Tao's posts when I've read them though

Hu Tao's first wave of posts were pretty meh, but the second wave that came in yesterday did have that un-agenda'd feeling that someone pointed out (I think broccoli?), I'm leaning town there at this point

[Meuh]

Was thinking yesterday that there's scum in Alianna/Hu Tao like 92% of the time when just looking at the PL, found Hu Tao's ISO yawn inducing and now Alianna's gotten replaced and I kinda wanna let Furtive settle in before starting anything (though I find Alianna's ISO bad tbh)

But Hu hasn't been in the game, so where did the read come from?

"Just looking at the PL" was literal, I went to page 1 of the game and looked at the PL. As a general amalgam of Hu Tao/Alianna's treatment by others, POE and how I felt about their posting, it just made sense for scum to exist there. Pretty sure Alianna hadn't posted in a while when I made this post or when I checked the PL and that idea came to mind, so why single out Hu Tao here?

I've liked Hu Tao's posts when I've read them though

Did you town read Hu Tao's posts made before yesterday? Mostly found that ISO uninspiring

[Meuh]

It's something I've been told as dying scum by teammates before - "hey can you start pushing/townreading x/y?". It would also explain the sudden massive push on Titus with only a single unexplained vote as precedent. Right now I think I'd prefer to eliminate not Ircher just because I have stronger scumreads (e.g. you).

Wait huh? That doesn't seem like what happened? Wasn't I voting Titus with Ircher for a while there? I don't feel like there was ever a massive push, just people looking at her posting and thinking "huh, this is scummy", which I think is fair cause well, her posting's scummy

I didn't mean massive push as in wagon, I meant Ircher's post which hard pushes Titus.

Oh yeah my bad, was misinterpreting what you were saying

[Meuh]

and you know that from my post if you actually read it instead of just "

lol that's your scum team??

"
VOTE: furtive

Lol your scum team has me in it??

Andante I think he's joking around here

[Meuh]

Affrayed’s posts have been kind of hard to digest for me and I still don’t really have a grasp of his alignment

[Meuh]

Disliked the way he nudged along people scumreading me earlier but I’m obviously biased there

[Meuh]

VOTE: Drew

*honks in alarm, shoves a lookalike Drew statue into place to absorb the vote*

Hi Aureal!

What's your read on me so far?

Here I’ll quote it for you!!

[Meuh]

Is there an actual case for Ircher being scum beyond his posting being bad? Like don’t get me wrong it is, but I still don’t see why it makes him scum (and we should also lim Aureal if bad posting is all the reasoning we need)

[Meuh]

Welcome!

[Meuh]

Youre probably not in a masonry because Im in a hood

Ooooooooooooh

[Meuh]

Now I’m confused as to wtf Broccoli’s posting earlier meant but I guess we can figure it out later

[Meuh]

Now I’m confused as to wtf Broccoli’s posting earlier meant but I guess we can figure it out later

which posting?

Meh I’m not in a rush I can talk about it later

[Meuh]

What’s the point of saying pedit if the entire post is a pedit

[Meuh]

Pedit: but what about muh fun shenaniganssss

uselessly employed pedit! laugh at this user!

[Meuh]

It’s okay friendo, we’ll be able to talko about it laterino

[Meuh]

Okay nice someone agreeing with my Gamma TR

[Meuh]

@pisskop who do you want to wagon right now the most? And who are your second and third picks?

PEDIT: Are you blind Meuh? I literally said in my last big post I'm not voting Gamma today. I'm also agreeing with the TR.

I saw it but I wanted to punish you for not putting her in the town core by ignoring you

[Meuh]

[Meuh]

Yippee!!!

[Meuh]

pisskop is a sort later kinda slot to me at this point
Furtive’s posting is definitely better than Alianna’s
Ircher and Titus are the only options that look good to me right now

[Meuh]

I need to actually look at the meta argument on Ircher cause I didn’t take the time to

[Meuh]

Oh boy

[Meuh]

Good reaction test

[Meuh]

Oooooooooooooooh

[Meuh]

Good reaction test

wdym?

I'm a loyal 1-shot day vig. I can only kill town.

jk jk lol

You’re spoiling my fun

[Meuh]

Is there an actual case for Ircher being scum beyond his posting being bad? Like don’t get me wrong it is, but I still don’t see why it makes him scum (and we should also lim Aureal if bad posting is all the reasoning we need)

He's made 17 posts this game. Compare the amount of effort in these 17 posts with posts from his scum games, and then compare with the first 17 posts of town games.

Okay yeah that's a pretty big difference
VOTE: Ircher
Let's consolidate here

[Meuh]

We have 19 hours?
Just stack on Ircher that’s a better option than whatever alternative we’d land on

[Meuh]

The slot has content, it’s not Aureal’s fault if anyone has a skill issue

I do think there’s content in Aureal’s posting but the posting style does obfuscate information and makes what she’s saying harder to understand, which yknow, isn’t ideal in a game all about communication

[Meuh]

When trying to understand things is the core part of the game, making information harder to access and weird to decypher makes your content less valuable to others, which ultimately is what matters!
It’s not the inherent amount of “content” present in a post, but it’s how others can perceive and interpret it. Aureal’s posting style makes this harder, which has the same outcome as her having less content

[Meuh]

Gamma you should hammer!!!!

[Meuh]

pisskop slot will fall into place eventually, Ircher won’t

[Meuh]

Woooooo death!

[Meuh]

Gooooooooooood morning!

[Meuh]

Celery* tier:
Gamma, Meuh, Aureal.
These are people I simply won't be voting before Day 4, unless someone has a hard guilty on them.

Healthy salad tier:
Hu Tao, Andante, Drew, Furtive
These are people I'm not really interested in voting right now but if you present a SOLID (not like what Andante and Hu Tao have been doing this page) scum case on them I might be convinced to vote them.

The lone carrot:
HPE
Aka, null. (with a slight townlean due to meta)

One of these is a tomato*:
Pisskop, Titus
Well, remember how I said I'm 90% Ircher was scum and I was right? Right now I'm 90% on one of these being an Ircher partner.



*this is shamelessly ripped off from Meuh in VCM[/color]

The second I saw celery I was getting flashbacks lmao

[Meuh]

Oh no I got rid off Broccoli’s green…

[Meuh]

Celery* tier:
Gamma, Meuh, Aureal.
These are people I simply won't be voting before Day 4, unless someone has a hard guilty on them.

Healthy salad tier:
Hu Tao, Andante, Drew, Furtive
These are people I'm not really interested in voting right now but if you present a SOLID (not like what Andante and Hu Tao have been doing this page) scum case on them I might be convinced to vote them.

The lone carrot:
HPE
Aka, null. (with a slight townlean due to meta)

One of these is a tomato*:
Pisskop, Titus
Well, remember how I said I'm 90% Ircher was scum and I was right? Right now I'm 90% on one of these being an Ircher partner.



*this is shamelessly ripped off from Meuh in VCM

The second I saw celery I was getting flashbacks lmao

There you go, much better

[Meuh]

Celery* tier:
Gamma, Meuh, Aureal.
These are people I simply won't be voting before Day 4, unless someone has a hard guilty on them.

Healthy salad tier:
Hu Tao, Andante, Drew, Furtive
These are people I'm not really interested in voting right now but if you present a SOLID (not like what Andante and Hu Tao have been doing this page) scum case on them I might be convinced to vote them.

The lone carrot:
HPE
Aka, null. (with a slight townlean due to meta)

One of these is a tomato*:
Pisskop, Titus
Well, remember how I said I'm 90% Ircher was scum and I was right? Right now I'm 90% on one of these being an Ircher partner.



*this is shamelessly ripped off from Meuh in VCM

The second I saw celery I was getting flashbacks lmao

There you go, much better

I love meuh.

Love you too, mysterious Broccoli indivifual!

[Meuh]

I’m kinda confused as to where the momentum on me went? Like there was some there yesterday and now I’m not even being considered
I don’t even think my progression on Ircher was good so that doesn’t explain it
Titus especially I’m confused why she dropped the scumread on me here

[Meuh]

Agreed!
Got a general bad feeling about Andante but I checked her ISO and there were still little things I enjoyed. Conflicted there at this point

[Meuh]

Is there something inherently scummy in not saying "let's see how it plays out" and instead speculating on how it plays out? Especially if you are town, it should make perfect sense to you that people will think you are town rather than suspect you.

it felt like you were seriously trying to go "oh crap, is andante really an IC" that's the vibe I got. and like from my pov I know im town, scum knows im also town, and so they don't want ICs - see where I'm going with this? scum feel like they'd really want to question the validity of that post/go "hey mod!!"

anyways, I'm not loving afrayed's posts like at all, Broccoli has a few im ok with, I wanna see how a few things play out there. afrayed seems too lost/that entrance... was way too much effort for someone to instantly just drop off.

VOTE: Afrayed

God this feels so fucking fake

[Meuh]

Like that is just not a post a townie makes is it

[Meuh]

VOTE: Andante

[Meuh]

I think I may have found the thing? But I can't say I'm sure what it means here

[Meuh]

I think I may have found the thing? But I can't say I'm sure what it means here

It's vague?

Do you mean the word in like the factual tangible thing way or in the abstract concept way?

[Meuh]

Not really feeling Titus here
Looking at Ircher's ISO, I think there's exactly 1 scum in Pisskop/Furtive and then one scum that Ircher just didn't acknowledge

[Meuh]

UNVOTE:

[Meuh]

Hey Broccoli, you should scumcase Titus

[Meuh]

I'm a VT. I can't believe no one noticed the fact I faked a guilty on Aureal to get some discussion there. They've been obvscum since go.

I mean I thought that was what you were implying there but it felt limp weak and vague

[Meuh]

I did consider voting Aureal to give you fuel there fwiw

[Meuh]

I did consider voting Aureal to give you fuel there fwiw

Why didn't you?

At first I thought it’d be too obvious to do it right after talking about what you were hinting at, and then later I just didn’t feel like it (not sure I really see the scum Aureal angle at this point)

[Meuh]

Hi Bianco!

[Meuh]

Gg!

[Meuh]

Thanks for modding Skygazer