Mini 2320: Smuggler's Port II [Endgame]

[SirCakez]

There's a pretty noticeable difference in our ISOs in that this one isn't posting things that are meaningless or worse.

You have a vague anti-town charge that you don't follow up on, then a few one-liners on setup spec. IMO it's not a great read.

SirCakez going "uhhh i dont understand *votes kyouko*" is glaringly obviously anti-town when she's literally in the process of basically solving the game for us. If that's "vague" to you... jeez.

I feel like my vote on kyouko was pretty obviously a joke and I don't like how you're twisting it into me voting her because she was solving mech

I feel like due to most of the discussion being mech related, stretches aren’t exactly scummy here since there isn’t much play to grasp in terms of standard play

If HPE came back and said

Yeah it's a stretch, but there isn't much to go on yet,

then I'd agree. But she didn't. She doubled down and said it's "glaringly obviously anti-town."

To both you and Cakez: This one really doesn't care about the intent of "oh it was a joke" "oh it was rvs", if someone is contributing that heavily in a very mechanically tangible way that early, you do NOT RVS them. Not going to jump the shark and call Cakez outright scum for it but it is a vote that leaves a foul taste in my mouth regardless.

Wtf kinda argument is this?

It makes sense to me.

Elaborate. I don't see anything in "RVS voting someone talking mech is scummy" that is a logical argument

[SirCakez]

How to read the last two posts:

We should lim Hu... but I'm not going to be the one to cast the first vote.

Scummy af.

Ugh. THIS kind of post.

What's wrong with that post?

[HighPrincessErinys]

How to read the last two posts:

We should lim Hu... but I'm not going to be the one to cast the first vote.

Scummy af.

Ugh. THIS kind of post.

What's wrong with that post?

It's just useless stone throwing shade.

[Hu Tao]

Linen: HPE, atsi, Clap
Copper: Gamma, Cakes, Celebloki
Wheat: Roden, Dunn, Hu Tao

Just snipping this for Hu Tao since I'm worried from the way they've confirmed what they'll ship that they are being intentionally vague about what they're agreeing to do ("the plan"). There have been 3 plans that I've thrown around toDay so just want to remind everyone it's not being done in the playerlist order

I don't know why this needs to be said like 5 times. I said I understand and agreed with the plan. but thanks

[Hu Tao]

Pls confirm which item you are shipping

I thought I already said I was fine with the plan. Sorry.

I'm starting to think we should just lim Hu Tao at this point since she still hasn't said

which item

she intends to ship.

? I'm pretty sure it's pretty simple to figure out which post I was talking about. This seems like pointless shade

[Hu Tao]

Pls confirm which item you are shipping

I thought I already said I was fine with the plan. Sorry.

I'm starting to think we should just lim Hu Tao at this point since she still hasn't said

which item

she intends to ship.

Kind of agree, the vagueness Kyouko's talking about is giving me bad vibes. We need people to

cooperate

here.

Okay, riddle me this. If I was scum why would I even risk being 'vague' even though it's clear that I said I agree with the plan already. I think this is pretty surface level read and I'm not sure how to read it.

[Hu Tao]

How to read the last two posts:

We should lim Hu... but I'm not going to be the one to cast the first vote.

Scummy af.

I agree atsi's post was scummy, especially after we were saying not to vote ssbm. Ssbm probably town and atsi scum

[HighPrincessErinys]

Pls confirm which item you are shipping

I thought I already said I was fine with the plan. Sorry.

I'm starting to think we should just lim Hu Tao at this point since she still hasn't said

which item

she intends to ship.

Kind of agree, the vagueness Kyouko's talking about is giving me bad vibes. We need people to

cooperate

here.

Okay, riddle me this. If I was scum why would I even risk being 'vague' even though it's clear that I said I agree with the plan already. I think this is pretty surface level read and I'm not sure how to read it.

Scum naturally want to interfere with the plan. This one will give you that their options are slim and that being vague or going onto a different item isn't the best idea, but all things considered they're probably gonna have to do SOMETHING to interrupt things or else its a VERY uphill battle.

[Hu Tao]

I'm not sure it would seriously believe that as town. So Hpe could be scum. I'm not sure if it would be scum with atsi though. Hmm.

[Celebloki]

I'm still like 90% on board to follow the plan, but maybe this is just as easy as yeeting Hu Tao now and making the other smuggler guess the TD D1.

[Gamma Emerald]

If we’re yeeting someone that isn’t kyouko I’d prefer atsi

[Hu Tao]

If we’re yeeting someone that isn’t kyouko I’d prefer atsi

Big agree

[Hu Tao]

I'm still like 90% on board to follow the plan, but maybe this is just as easy as yeeting Hu Tao now and making the other smuggler guess the TD D1.

This doesn't line up with your other posts. For someone so worried about me not knowing the plan, why are you only 90% sure you want to even follow this plan?

[Hu Tao]

Only Hu hasn't confirmed what they are shipping, Cakez also said 2 things, but I assume he knows he should do Copper.

I get the impression that Hu Tao hasn't really read any of the mech talk that's been done.

I was wanting people to explicitly post what they were shipping based on Kyouko's post so there was no confusion.

[HighPrincessErinys]

I'm not sure it would seriously believe that as town. So Hpe could be scum. I'm not sure if it would be scum with atsi though. Hmm.

PLEASE

get real.
VOTE: Hu Tao

[HighPrincessErinys]

"oh well im not sure town!hpe believes that..." Who the fuck WOULDN'T believe that?? there is no reason for anyone of either alignment to doubt that Kyouko's plan, even the PRIOR one, are extremely mechanically sound and NEED to be tampered with if scum wants to have a decent chance at victory. You're just throwing tomatoes at me because you can't think of anything to actually build a case on me, because you know this one is right because you're a smuggler who's desperately trying to do exactly what it's talking about, aren't you?

[Hu Tao]

Yes, caught me. I got that juicy smuggler pm. I'm scumreading HPE for having not the best logic on why I would be scum for being 'vague'

[Hu Tao]

There is this false narrative that I was being vague or against the plan. When neither of those th8ngs were ever the case

[HighPrincessErinys]

There is this false narrative that I was being vague or against the plan. When neither of those th8ngs were ever the case

Yes you fucking WERE. You said you were fine with the plan, that's true, but you WERE also vague.


106, you agree to the 3 groups of 3 plan, nothing wrong there. What you neglected to do however is follow up on the fact that we did not rigidly stick to the proposed draft of who ships what exactly. Several people, including me, said they'd ship things in a way other than what was proposed by Kyouko in 76. There's nothing wrong with that, just getting 3 groups of 3 and making sure we're all on the same page. So then it's no wonder that everyone starts wondering "Hey, HT, did you read mechtalk?" and starts saying "Hey, HT is being vague about the plan, that's weird..." because you never confirmed and double-checked with the thread about what exactly you're shipping. You just keep saying "No guys, I've read! I get what we're doing! Trust me!" rather than saying if you're shipping wheat or linen or copper or what. It's exactly what this one is talking about and you fucking

know

it.

This one rests its case and is going to sleep now. Let this foul smuggling blighter sleep with the fishes.

[atsi]

Pls confirm which item you are shipping

I thought I already said I was fine with the plan. Sorry.

I'm starting to think we should just lim Hu Tao at this point since she still hasn't said

which item

she intends to ship.

? I'm pretty sure it's pretty simple to figure out which post I was talking about. This seems like pointless shade

VOTE: Hu Tao

You've been asked like 5 times to say which item you are shipping, and you still haven't given a clear answer.

[atsi]

I think we just proceed at this point. Everyone should chime in with the 3x3 Kyouko made and confirm what they are Shipping. I'm shipping

Copper

I have intent to vote Kyouko, but again, I don't want people to argue tomorrow that they got confused.

I think we just proceed at this point. Everyone should chime in with the 3x3 Kyouko made and confirm what they are Shipping. I'm shipping

Copper

I have intent to vote Kyouko, but again, I don't want people to argue tomorrow that they got confused.

I'm shipping

Copper

I think we just proceed at this point. Everyone should chime in with the 3x3 Kyouko made and confirm what they are Shipping. I'm shipping

Copper

I have intent to vote Kyouko, but again, I don't want people to argue tomorrow that they got confused.

I like this plan, and I agree to ship

Wheat

.

I'd rather flip Atsi instead of Kyouko tbh.

VOTE: Atsi

I think we just proceed at this point. Everyone should chime in with the 3x3 Kyouko made and confirm what they are Shipping. I'm shipping

Copper

I have intent to vote Kyouko, but again, I don't want people to argue tomorrow that they got confused.

I'm shipping

Copper

Linen

on my end then.

I'll be shipping

Linen

tonight.

I will ship

wheat

I'll ship Wheat

Linen: HPE, atsi, Clap
Copper: Gamma, Cakes, Celebloki
Wheat: Roden, Dunn, Hu Tao

Cakes you ship Copper.

I'm shipping Linen.

Everyone has confirmed which item they are shipping, except for Hu Tao. When asked directly what item she intends to ship, it's always a vague answer like "I agree with the plan" instead of just answering the question.

[atsi]

I'm shipping copper

(Meant to quote this instead of 152)

[Claptastik]

there is no reason for anyone of either alignment to doubt that Kyouko's plan, even the PRIOR one, are extremely mechanically sound and NEED to be tampered with if scum wants to have a decent chance at victory.

So why aren't you voting kyouko?

[Claptastik]

V/LA until Tuesday afternoon or so.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm still here and I still want to die