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[Dannflor]

I think one thing that bothers me about oatsmaster's play is that he's spent a lot of time piggybacking off other people's pushes

I feel like he's spent a lot of time kinda adding on or backing up cases made by you and DP, but I can't remember a single push oatsmaster has made that's been entirely his own or at least truly started by himself, and that kinda sends off alarm bells because it doesn't seem like any of you TL guys have issues pushing things independently

so I'm worried he's scum hiding behind the forces of you / DP doin the dirty work for him

I'd feel a lot better about him if you could point to some independent pushes he's made probably

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i messed up the quotes but Oats has made many insightful posts today.

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quoting is so hard on this forum

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Ergo Dannflor is mafia, cause he ignores that, votes Oats, but still should rather vote DP if he was town adhering to his stated beliefs.
The gob vote was a distancing attempt.

Do you think dann could fake the introspection and adjustment to his approach with the TL players this game?

I found that really townie to be honest.

Yes, Dann is town, and I'm starting to think Darth might be as well based on his recent play.

So Luca flips back onto dann is town without referencing his previous “fears” about dann as soon as dann stops pushing Luca. It seems to me that Luca realizes that he can easily get off of darth here, I’m really baffled at how he’s so confident in dp being mafia before he’s willing to completely tank the game by saying yeet dp and if dp is town yeet Luca if Luca is town but now he’s like nah I’m good based on “recent” posting

this is very good for instance. not necessarily right but good.

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There seems to be a fundamental disconnect between your understanding of exactly what I mean when I say that Luca is scummy because he seems to be frustrated with his scum read and that darth isn’t scummy because he is frustrated with the way that Luca is acting which has nothing to do with the fact that he scumreads Luca.

If you scumread someone, you don’t have the same expectations of them than someone you townread, therefore it doesn’t make sense for you to have the same sort of conversations with them as you do townreads, mostly having to do with trying to convince people that someone else is mafia.

I think the better question is what are your thoughts on me? Without the snark for once please

Scummy. Not sure what you are referring to re snark

Okay why am I scummy?

I don’t think that you are being very clear with where your reads are at and I think that’s very intentional to avoid getting pressure when you go to vote/push someone.

I also don’t see the follow up I would expect from someone trying to figure out the game, instead it just seems like pop in, scatter some posts that are relevant and then move on.

I don’t really understand why ninja is scumreading me for holding onto a view that she doesn’t agree with but is in turn holding onto a view that nobody else agrees with and that’s somehow fine? I’m referring to not realizing that naeyrs did that whole thing about the night kills.

[Oatsmaster]

I think one thing that bothers me about oatsmaster's play is that he's spent a lot of time piggybacking off other people's pushes

I feel like he's spent a lot of time kinda adding on or backing up cases made by you and DP, but I can't remember a single push oatsmaster has made that's been entirely his own or at least truly started by himself, and that kinda sends off alarm bells because it doesn't seem like any of you TL guys have issues pushing things independently

so I'm worried he's scum hiding behind the forces of you / DP doin the dirty work for him

I'd feel a lot better about him if you could point to some independent pushes he's made probably

Forgotten roden so fasr

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Most of you turned all that shit into scummy just because Oats is abrasive....
Which isn't even true after Oats/Roden up to any standards.

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Pushing someone independently or not does not mean anything.
Sheeping when it's the right thing to do is just good a skill as is pushing your scumread.

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I'd feel a lot better about him if you could point to some independent pushes he's made probably

Should i fell like youre mafia just because you havent pushed anyone independently during D2?

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I kind of am tbh lol

[gob]

OoO is out of control

[Oatsmaster]

Ooo can you talk about vivax for a bit

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Ooo can you talk about vivax for a bit

sure

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are we talking or not?

[gob]

are we talking or not?

He asked you to talk about it. Bit of a scummy play from you OoO. here

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Well Vivax goes out with DMB afaik. He lives in Austria afaik. He is a pretty chill guy usually (i have talked with him outside of games, yet it has been a long time), but in mafia games he gets super set on some bullshit noone understands, and he likes to call me mafia. <3

I talked about Vivax, now what?

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are we talking or not?

He asked you to talk about it. Bit of a scummy play from you OoO. here

Are you literally just so dense man?

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Bit of scummy to not follow up on that gob.

[gob]

are we talking or not?

He asked you to talk about it. Bit of a scummy play from you OoO. here

Are you literally just so dense man?

wtf are you talking about

[Vivax]

By now I believe most are simply afraid to vote ninja and I‘d like to find out why.

There‘s a few who called her scummy a few times and instantly backed off (Luca, Dann, gob to a lesser extent).

Blink twice if you are blackmailed.

[Oatsmaster]

are we talking or not?

I got busy sorry,
So I kinda skimmed a couple of vivax games on TL and he was much more coherent there, regardless of alignment. Is that something that you noticed too and what do you think that means for his alignment

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are we talking or not?

I got busy sorry,
So I kinda skimmed a couple of vivax games on TL and he was much more coherent there, regardless of alignment. Is that something that you noticed too and what do you think that means for his alignment

I dont know how "he is more coherent regardless of alignment in TL games".
I read him by what he writes, just as i read anyone else in this game.

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Where does this sudden Vivax is mafia come from Oats?

[Oatsmaster]

Where does this sudden Vivax is mafia come from Oats?

It’s I have no idea what alignment vivax is from oats and I wanna extract as much information from you before you die

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Dann's take in post 3289 on Vivax is a fairly decent approach.
Dp, regardless of mafia or town, has a legit read on Vivax.
If you believe i am town (or at least one of us, me or DP), you can trust both of us read on him is legit.