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[Aristeia]

VOTE: Aristela

Just following wagons. No following up on Clout. Only 2 mentions before the vote.

[Dannflor]

im not saying aristeia is definitely town but she is perfectly capable of faking a trajectory and looking towny

if you're voting someone for just following wagons im not sure why you'd vote aristeia over geraintm who has had a lot of support as a wagon already

[Dannflor]

thinking about it, im actually kinda less gungho about geraintm being scum because of this maybe mistaken idea that I have that scum would be bussing geraintm at this point if he was scum, and I don't really think either Klick or Aristeia are scum bussing

Naerys [4]: Hu Tao, Naerys, Random Nurse, davesaz
geraintm [3]: Klick, Dannflor, Aristeia
Hu Tao [2]: NotAScum, geraintm
NotAScum [2]: Psyche, Titus
Psyche [1]: Political Clout

not voting [1]: KayJayQueue

In a game state like this, assuming naerys and geraintm are both town (which I admit is a lot of assumptions) i think it's reasonable to expect scum to be very content and off the leading wagons completely - pushing their little vanity wagons and/or safely distancing

as such i shall make the bold claim that scum is exactly [NotAScum, Titus, Political Clout]

game solved

[Datisi]

vote count 1.12

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2024-03-04 01:00:00).

yeet

Naerys [5]:

Hu Tao, Naerys,

Random Nurse

, davesaz, geraintm

Political Clout [3]:

Dannflor, Klick, Aristeia

NotAScum [1]:

Psyche

geraintm [1]:

Political Clout

Hu Tao [1]:

NotAScum

Psyche [1]:

KayJayQueue

Aristeia [1]:

Titus

not voting [0]:

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[Titus]

im not saying aristeia is definitely town but she is perfectly capable of faking a trajectory and looking towny

if you're voting someone for just following wagons im not sure why you'd vote aristeia over geraintm who has had a lot of support as a wagon already

That wagon is disintegrating.

[Titus]

Plus I am more confident.

[Dannflor]

for why

[Titus]

for why

She's done it twice and geratim has excuse of survival.

[Political Clout]

And there was like NO resistance to my fail wagon until I played Uno Reverse card.

Klick enters the chat

sounds like you might have known all along tbh.

[Political Clout]

Last game I played with PC they were giving way more reads and were more engaged than whatever they are doing now. I can see some partner equity in Dann based on how they converse but that's a small read. I'd be fine with PC today

you're right. I misread.

[Political Clout]

VOTE: clout

VOTE: aristeia for the omgus

now I can't talk to gera about how he's a hypocrite and should self vote when he's at minus one.

[KayJayQueue]

And there was like NO resistance to my fail wagon until I played Uno Reverse card.

Klick enters the chat

sounds like you might have known all along tbh.

Doubt it

[Hu Tao]

I'm fine with Naerys or PC. I still prefer Naerys

[Political Clout]

i don't think it's nitpicking to read a post as performative

Alright let's say I agree with you. And let's say that a statical analysis was done and it was determined yes that post was performative. I ask you to what end? To not to give a read on her? Gun to my head she is probably scum. Because the whole point of the being performative was that you wanted to make your next contention that I didn't want to give a read on her. Which imo was your main point. So where are we now I gave you my read on her

my point was not that you didn't want to give a read on her, my point was that it didn't seem like the post was driven from the town motivation of either

1) having a read you want to share
2) engaging with people about a read in order to deduce people's alignments

my point was that it's the type of post made to show off your thought process and look towny

idk, it's a genre of post I see scum making a lot because it looks like it's doing something but idk what your actual motivation was to post that if you're town

i don't really care that you scum read Aristeia and it doesn't really seem like you care about that either

I think we're talking past each other.

when I'm making a post I don't think hmmmmmm let me craft this post in such a way that it exudes town motivation I'm just posting. that's all you're seeing. my thoughts on a player my thoughts on this or my position or inkling about something. just like when I said my post about predicting things way back it was both a joke that aristeia wouldn't move on from naerys and that psyche wouldn't engage with me he just started to ignore me completely like ok whatever I'll just move on from him since no one is interested in my read on psyche.

[KayJayQueue]

i don't think it's nitpicking to read a post as performative

Alright let's say I agree with you. And let's say that a statical analysis was done and it was determined yes that post was performative. I ask you to what end? To not to give a read on her? Gun to my head she is probably scum. Because the whole point of the being performative was that you wanted to make your next contention that I didn't want to give a read on her. Which imo was your main point. So where are we now I gave you my read on her

my point was not that you didn't want to give a read on her, my point was that it didn't seem like the post was driven from the town motivation of either

1) having a read you want to share
2) engaging with people about a read in order to deduce people's alignments

my point was that it's the type of post made to show off your thought process and look towny

idk, it's a genre of post I see scum making a lot because it looks like it's doing something but idk what your actual motivation was to post that if you're town

i don't really care that you scum read Aristeia and it doesn't really seem like you care about that either

I think we're talking past each other.

when I'm making a post I don't think hmmmmmm let me craft this post in such a way that it exudes town motivation I'm just posting. that's all you're seeing. my thoughts on a player my thoughts on this or my position or inkling about something. just like when I said my post about predicting things way back it was both a joke that aristeia wouldn't move on from naerys and that psyche wouldn't engage with me he just started to ignore me completely like ok whatever I'll just move on from him since no one is interested in my read on psyche.

I’m interested

[Political Clout]

i don't think it's nitpicking to read a post as performative

Alright let's say I agree with you. And let's say that a statical analysis was done and it was determined yes that post was performative. I ask you to what end? To not to give a read on her? Gun to my head she is probably scum. Because the whole point of the being performative was that you wanted to make your next contention that I didn't want to give a read on her. Which imo was your main point. So where are we now I gave you my read on her

my point was not that you didn't want to give a read on her, my point was that it didn't seem like the post was driven from the town motivation of either

1) having a read you want to share
2) engaging with people about a read in order to deduce people's alignments

my point was that it's the type of post made to show off your thought process and look towny

idk, it's a genre of post I see scum making a lot because it looks like it's doing something but idk what your actual motivation was to post that if you're town

i don't really care that you scum read Aristeia and it doesn't really seem like you care about that either

I think we're talking past each other.

when I'm making a post I don't think hmmmmmm let me craft this post in such a way that it exudes town motivation I'm just posting. that's all you're seeing. my thoughts on a player my thoughts on this or my position or inkling about something. just like when I said my post about predicting things way back it was both a joke that aristeia wouldn't move on from naerys and that psyche wouldn't engage with me he just started to ignore me completely like ok whatever I'll just move on from him since no one is interested in my read on psyche.

I’m interested

the difference between my accusation of psyche is that their is evidence for it. my thoughts are clear and concise on it. I have no idea how to respond to this post doesn't have town motivation it reads as performative I can't defend against someone perspective that they came up with. The conclusion was already there baked into the accusation let me quote my case on psyche since you're interested.

[Political Clout]

from the feeling so threatened by a page 3 wagon that you burn a PR to the selfvote+"Eliminate me and vote her out tomorrow!" the whole playerlist seems awfully melodramatic this game

[1]

It is worth the sacrifice to get 1 scum out the game. But only if it is agreed that she is the elimination tomorrow

from the feeling so threatened by a page 3 wagon that you burn a PR to the selfvote+"Eliminate me and vote her out tomorrow!" the whole playerlist seems awfully melodramatic this game

Different things. I agree he shouldn't have done that on e-2 3 pages in. But in the last game I was in with him, i was hammered on page 3. So I get his reasoning for doing so if he felt the need to. Also Naerys was also in that game which is why her reasoning makes 0 sense

It is worth the sacrifice to get 1 scum out the game. But only if it is agreed that she is the elimination tomorrow

that's really dumb! why would anyone agree to that? has an entire town ever agreed to that?

[2]

9 times out of 10 the person who is mislimmed D1 is completely forgotten and ignored past the first page of D2. i feel like you must have been in enough games by now to know this

[3]

1. no intent other than to vent from my point of view
2. this looks more rhetorical than anything else to me personally
3. this to me looks like an informational post that begins and ends with the information presented

in contrast to now in the bottom post you're saying you had a reason to post other than to just post. You had a hidden intent when posting. it is as follows

i knew what i wanted to say and said exactly all those things.

that conversation w hu tao was probing the rationale and/or sincerity behind the self vote.

am I making a mountain out of a molehill? If i am lmk I can move on and take what you said at face value

your conclusion to that exchange was this:

i still can't understand how someone w hu tao's professed beliefs/personality exists in this world. it's a very incoherent sequence set in between an otherwise clear-thinking iso. when the read is not ambivalent, i'll announce it like a normal person.

a bit hyperbolic imo. essentially you don't believe hu tao was emotional you think there was nefarious reasons and that's why you engaged when you did to find hidden intent. your read so far is mixed or it is contradictory. Why is your read ambivalent i.e. mixed or contradictory? what has hu tao done that on the one hand I assume makes you town read them and on the other scum read them.

[Political Clout]

Let's see town is
Me
Rn
not a scum - definitely town ask me about it.
Hu tao
Naerys
dann - lean town
titus - leaning town

Im still unsure of kjq and Dave

i'm leaning scum on
klick
gera
aristea
psyche

i'm fine with any of those 4 dying today.

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[Naerys]

[Psyche]

oh that post was a case and not just like an attempt at constructive criticism

[Political Clout]

oh that post was a case and not just like an attempt at constructive criticism

if that is your interpretation I welcome it.

[Psyche]

i really can’t comprehend how people are classing this or naerys as scummier than notascum

[Political Clout]

i really can’t comprehend how people are classing this or naerys as scummier than notascum

notascum is clearly town.

[davesaz]

titus - leaning town

Is this from Drew, or are you saying that Titus is town for not really saying anything?

[Dannflor]

i really can’t comprehend how people are classing this or naerys as scummier than notascum

notascum is clearly town.

this is me asking you about that