Mini 2332: A Mid-scummer Nights Dream II | GG

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Smells like blood on utopia.

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I skimmed.

I am

glad

unhappy that i missed sheep party. That would be so

lame

hilarious.

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VOTE: sunflower

First move is always good.

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Who is Aureal and why i am considered team with Aureal.

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I see scumreading Aureal is popular, because some put Aureal in top townread at first THEN put at almost confirmed mafia, for no/bad reasoning.


Oh well i don't get it.

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Who is Aureal and why i am considered team with Aureal.

We belive dragoneater who was hider died for hiding there cause they softed it. So we think they are outed scum

Hmmm.

Mod made flips really hard to read, okay.

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I looked for crumbs and failed to see where dragon crumbed.


I guess i suck... Or dragon suck... No it's Probably me.

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Indeed...

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Thanks.

... I expected Dragon to make choice at twilight really.

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Too rude for mafia.

Xd lmao

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How exactly it matter


D1
Forget 11
You know how Vi does what Vi does?
These sheep have.. fur?

D2
Wait so it works on even the parts it doesn't cover?
Superman
I sat down to the DND table

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With the claim and votes in order there isn't much left to do this day. Depending on Aureal's role

WHAT

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I don't remember you to be like this before.

Is this new meta.

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I probably should overprepare.

Don't use Reporter shot on me. It will only result in tears.

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I forgive you.

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Twilight phase was mistake

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• A bold knight in shining armor came to fight me. Rescue me. Something like that.
  
• Up the stairs of the giant tower I went
  
• That disco ball has a hat? And uh, a crack pipe?
  
• I met MrBeast on an electric train to the redwoods, and when we got there we lay down in front of a bulldozer to save a tree
  
• My house started flooding while I was watching TV
  
• That is a really, really, REALLY big waterfall. I bet I could meditate under it!

Hello can i reroll this dream casino?

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I guess not.

146

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I like giant tower, disco ball (detective?), and maybe waterfall. These choices a lot more ambiguous than others

Sherlock Holmes smoked cocaine not crack.

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Do i really seriously post this

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I think mafia would't bother to insult town for "you should post more often".


It's shitty reason to townread but it's eh.

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I think role is pretty Neutral and doesn't change anything.

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their actions with it though was scummy.

Is this because of promise to hood Prism and then not doing it

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I wait Von responce until i show my opinion.

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Oh i almost forgot.

I received invention.

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Oh i almost forgot.

I received invention.

to take ghost pics?

Yes.......

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Thanks

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Detective is averagely not worse than Watcher.

Okay.

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Now what

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Can i lurk out this phase please?

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I think it's 1vs1.

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Wait i mean t vs t

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Kiri vs Van

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VOTE: Ydrasse

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I won't be engaging with her slot any further so if anyone else wants to engage with me to help make your decision between us easier then feel free

Who is partner of Kiri then

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I haven't put much thought into that

No one won game with hunting mafia like they are serial killers.

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I mean maybe they did vote mafia randomly i guess

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When did Enchant claim to have used the ghost camera? Or am I misunderstanding something?

I received it N1, used it N2.

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When did Enchant claim to have used the ghost camera? Or am I misunderstanding something?

I received it N1, used it N2.

is that all you ahve to add?

Kinda busy hold up with it

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I express my opinion on these 1vs1.
Most memerable 1vs1 i remember is "Please vote this person, if they are town you have full right to vote me!"
What happened after town flip? Person found important things to do and replaced out. Obviously that's convience, people would never abuse replacements like that, but i just find it... hilarious convience.


I respect your reads (and everyone else as well), i just think you are wrong about each other and i am NOT banking on your reads reliability, regardless of how big ass scumhunters you claim are. It's like imply you know how to play game and everyone else not. It may be possibility (i never claimed to be good player for exact), but you take wrong approach from first place.


If Von finds plausable evidence of Kyoko being partner of Aureal (or anyone else who MAY look potential partner, there's kinda not just two), i may reconsider, opposite also works (even if Von is most reliable townread of mine, reads tend to change), but i am never voting because you are ready to bank game on your reads regardless of how sure/good you are.

My vote on Ydrasse still actual.

When i will be less lazy i reread this whole thing 1vs1 again, and if my opinion doesn't change (it probably won't), i whip your asses on this matter again.

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We are at Evens anyway, can afford one no-lim.

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Maybe if we ignore them, they stop tunneling.

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If you refuse to participate, you rescind your right to complain about the outcome

I refuse to participate.

I will complain if they both turn out to be town.

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As i said i will reread 1vs1.

Your catgirl appeals on me does nothing but annoy me further.

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VOTE: Kyoko

Ok, two days.

If you think i am happy with this, think again.

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Nah i tried to act big.

What if we get protective next day? It will cost us.

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Forced superman to be second dream today.

Basically, it forces dream of previous day to be in play again.

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Sure and you think that was gifted to your slot by scum? More likely than a public neighborizer mechanically?

UNVOTE:

I didn't knew it.

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Sure and you think that was gifted to your slot by scum? More likely than a public neighborizer mechanically?

UNVOTE:

I didn't knew it.

You didnt knew i sent it to you?

Yea.

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Sure and you think that was gifted to your slot by scum? More likely than a public neighborizer mechanically?

UNVOTE:

I didn't knew it.

You didnt knew i sent it to you?

Yea.

I claimed inventor few pages back. Also softed this last day phase to gimli and more directly with you at start of this phase.

I mean i DID see post "hey kyoko claimed inventor" but i didn't find your post claiming that and then successfully forgot about it.

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VOTE: Von

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Can we get a show of hands on who thinks they can be here Monday around the deadline?

Yea

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Is this that game where i was called third party by whole scum team and was hilariously outspammed?

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OH GOD I REMEMBERED INSTANTLY

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Modkills on town always end day, explicically to prevent townies from abusing it.


That's forgetting about being turned in Survivor and losing game outright.

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this game doesnt matter that much to me.

I noticed.

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AD is mafia.

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Remind me why i even joined this 1vs1 fight

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I have something to say really.


I will wait until 1 minute until deadline, so mafia can't change kill according to what i say.

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can you talk about your choice of addition to the hood please

You have something to object?

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But ace attorney is game.

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I only played multiplayer version, so i am biased but it's obviously judge.

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multiplayer ace attorney?

Basically sandbox version where bunch of people join room, make up case and "solve" it.


Result depends from players and come from "boring" to "incredibly hilarious".

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Everyone calm down.

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Alright, mass claim time since we are in limlo now. We're the dreamer, which makes us town (setup specific rule #1 says the starting dreamer is town). We do reveal a dream once moonrise phase ends, but not before then;

we are working under the assumption that Ydrasse is the other person revealing dreams. This doesn't automatically make them town, but we noted that they learned from their usage during moonrise 1, and during moonrise 2 they revealed roles in a way where we'd be able to see both of the dreams before picking after discard, which seemed town motivated to us. We didn't want to draw too much attention to that, though,

and I've been skeptical of their thread presence a bit.

During moonrise 1 our preferred dream was discarded, and then our revealed dream was a negative which allowed the mafia to steal the dream choice. During moonrise 2, we did choose to discard the dnd dream as Gif and I felt that the interaction between the dead hider and Aureal was unlikely to have been mistaken, and we got greedy for more. We talk about this a bit in 1392 but are trying to not make it too obvious that we are the dreamer with our wording, while keeping our vote on Aureal the whole time. The Superman dream sounded promising so we picked that. We ended up giving the reporter from that dream to Catgirl Chipotle. In hindsight we should have picked elsewhere as we don't trust Catgirl Chipotle right now, but they had rather different opinions from what we have seen from them recently.

Moonrise 3 was really interesting.

Ydrasse revealed the tower after the mafia discarded something else, which was rather towny (without taking into account that the tower was a watcher, which she wouldn't have known)

, but then when the time came for us to make selections, we were told that our choices were hijacked for the phase. So the tower being revealed

again

was not our choice, and the watcher one shot did not go to a target of our choice either - we don't know where it went. We also did not get a choice for the second dream, what Enchant did with the ectoplasmic camera and the reporter dream on moonrise 3; but from the looks of things, that is possibly separate from the hijacking; the reporter dream was revealed and went into effect immediately with no time for anybody to make a selection before the mods moved on to the starting the day.

Alright, mass claim time since we are in limlo now. We're the dreamer, which makes us town (setup specific rule #1 says the starting dreamer is town). We do reveal a dream once moonrise phase ends, but not before then;

we are working under the assumption that Ydrasse is the other person revealing dreams. This doesn't automatically make them town, but we noted that they learned from their usage during moonrise 1, and during moonrise 2 they revealed roles in a way where we'd be able to see both of the dreams before picking after discard, which seemed town motivated to us. We didn't want to draw too much attention to that, though,

and I've been skeptical of their thread presence a bit.

During moonrise 1 our preferred dream was discarded, and then our revealed dream was a negative which allowed the mafia to steal the dream choice. During moonrise 2, we did choose to discard the dnd dream as Gif and I felt that the interaction between the dead hider and Aureal was unlikely to have been mistaken, and we got greedy for more. We talk about this a bit in 1392 but are trying to not make it too obvious that we are the dreamer with our wording, while keeping our vote on Aureal the whole time. The Superman dream sounded promising so we picked that. We ended up giving the reporter from that dream to Catgirl Chipotle. In hindsight we should have picked elsewhere as we don't trust Catgirl Chipotle right now, but they had rather different opinions from what we have seen from them recently.

Moonrise 3 was really interesting.

Ydrasse revealed the tower after the mafia discarded something else, which was rather towny (without taking into account that the tower was a watcher, which she wouldn't have known)

, but then when the time came for us to make selections, we were told that our choices were hijacked for the phase. So the tower being revealed

again

was not our choice, and the watcher one shot did not go to a target of our choice either - we don't know where it went. We also did not get a choice for the second dream, what Enchant did with the ectoplasmic camera and the reporter dream on moonrise 3; but from the looks of things, that is possibly separate from the hijacking; the reporter dream was revealed and went into effect immediately with no time for anybody to make a selection before the mods moved on to the starting the day.

Twilight 1, reveal Vi Dream, pivot to Sheep dream in panic. Vi dream most likely picks Sheep Dream anyways. Vi isn't a inherently negative dream in this gamestate, it just probably always ends up being sheep dream or slide if wolves don't want to take any chances.
Twilight 2, reveal superman to see if we can get something better than dead neighborizer. We gave the Reporter to Silver Ravens because we thought GiF would use it well. They are now using this knowledge to try to claim early since I think this is how they think they win? Also, you can see my posting during night I handed out reporter, I wrote my posts about the reporter knowing full well the person who (would hopefully read that) would get the memo since they're competent.
Twilight 3, tower gets revealed early, we ask mod if we could just pick tower without revealing anything, there is a slight delay, mod tells us we can reveal teh same dream we want to pick even if it's already revealed, we reveal and choose to hand out tower to Dan. Dan fully know who we were and you can see this in our interactions. We don't need to reveal the other dream because why would we do that when we can put it back into the pool. It's hard to beat a watcher.

Unlucky that the choices ended up happening as they did.

This line of play only works for you if you know there's going to be no invention to hand out during this phase. All I need to do is pick the invention dream, hand it to a villager, and you lose the cc battle. Idunno what your plan is but ig we're about to find out?

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Okay I don't get it, can mafia just make choices instead of dreamer?

It's probably most ugly way to counter. Like giving you food, then forcing two bullies to eat it on your eye.

@Catgirl, you forgot to mention who had reporter shot, this person should claim results.

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Twilight 2, reveal superman to see if we can get something better than dead neighborizer. We gave the Reporter to Silver Ravens because we thought GiF would use it well. They are now using this knowledge to try to claim early since I think this is how they think they win? Also, you can see my posting during night I handed out reporter, I wrote my posts about the reporter knowing full well the person who (would hopefully read that) would get the memo since they're competent.

No i mean there were another reporter

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Okay so.

Mod said i should give this thing out as i used camera.
I gived it to Ravens (don't ask why i did).

Ravens claims "I don't know where it is".

I messaged mod about it, received "There's no mod errors".


I guess it's blatant Ravens lying, no?

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Nice job with making you less trustworthy i guess.

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No wait i actually see sense in this.

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While i like proposal that we just... Uh. No lim and let real Dreamer prove self with picking dream.


Issue is i doubt mafia would be so incompetent to oversight that and we are informed that there's some sort of ability that if used on dreamer will fuck us over.

And anyway they gonna scream "HEY MY CHOICE WAS HIJACKED BELIEVE ME".

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Then need to hastly organise what we voting and which dream must reveal.

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But again, mafia didn't think this over? For real?

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Hm.

May it be possible that mafia ALREADY know that Silver is Dreamer.

That's why choice of dream hijacked, they targeted Silver with ability to steal choice.


That sounds logically so far.

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Okay.


So mafia have 1-shot ability to use doublevote, instantly winning any elo. I guess it forces us to act in mylo (assuming we even get this right today).

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We may vote Van today because i gonna vote Van next day anyway, so kinda not big difference.

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Looking at mafia flip should i consider that Dreamer steal was factional ability?

And if so what's 3 others. If they exist and not just feel of mod to purr.

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but what if they're both scum. there's never a world where they're tvt because its like. why in the world would a non-dreamer cc a dreamer, or why would a non-dreamer claim dreamer yk. so what im thinking is that in a w/w world the idea path is to get one of them limmed, get towncred for the rest of the game. it's really good to set up for deepwolf and idk it's a possibility i've been thinking about the more i read

Insane.

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How little attention to game you have?

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Wait i am dumb obviously mafia also have NK

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Did you add me to scum as well?

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let's put it like i see it.


It was plan. Mafia blatantly trying for this play. It's not some desperate measure, or anything.


Let's look at Silver claim:
N2 they don't know who has Reporter shot because "Hijack". And so N3 they were also Hijacked so they don't know who received real things.


If Silver town, it sounds like Silver was hijacked twice (not thrice because Reporter shot was never meant for dreamer... I suppose, mod never said i should pick until i was under this fact).
Mod is then EVIL.

If Silver mafia, answer simple. You don't need to claim you gived thing to dying player/teammate and also you are protected from being CCed by two players: Dreamer and REAL receiver of Watcher shot and (possible) another Reporter (again silver knows real receiver of N2 reporter, not others). You may always claim "Um of course, i was hijacked, mafia gives this to you to look trustworthy."



If anything, it's more realistic for silver being mafia than being town, but i avoid making decision yet as there's also notconsistent and "fitting" play from catgirl but generally i am on catgirl side.

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I don't see why we can, but why not. Worth a shot.


VOTE: Van
VOTE: Van

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UNVOTE:

Wait terrible idea.

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One townie vote
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Mafia doublevote
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Abother mafia vote
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4 votes
Which
Instaelimination of possible townie
Which
Lose

DON'T

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Wait who are you?

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@Von

UNVOTE IMMEDIATELY.

IF YOU TOWN VOTING TOWN MAFIA CAN QUICKHAMMER.

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Wait so can't we prove who has the double vote just by making everyone vote someone twice?

VOTE: Ydrasse
VOTE: Ydrasse

@Von

UNVOTE IMMEDIATELY.

IF YOU TOWN VOTING TOWN MAFIA CAN QUICKHAMMER.

Requoting to notify

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Good now i rest.

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Oh well. As i said.


Catgirls giving Silver reporter, then giving thing to dying dan doesn't look perfect.

I want to reread Catgirls reasoning again.

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Until this day i never stated that Dreamer couldn't pick and it was in fact me.

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Ravens claimed item after i claimed giving it.


It may be possibility, that Ravens thought that both shots were from cats, so why claim that in 1vs1?

And yes again. Due that post from mod, we know mafia could steal dreamer ANY TIME if they knew them.


So does mafia can just hijack dreamer choice twice, without fucking knowing dreamer?
Areeem, doubt.

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It may be possibility, that Ravens thought that both shots were from cats, so why claim that in 1vs1?

No we were talking about you using the camera though

I mean yeah, but why would you different picks?


I think dreamer:
1. Picks dream at moon.
2. THEN dream goes to effect.
3. At night they give away shot.


Why in the any hell, you would make different guess about this one, instead of probably basic assumption "Mafia hijacked both". From perspective of any player expect me, it looks like additional shot to give away at night.

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Checks out, huh.

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I would believe Ravens far more if not for that stupid gambit to look if i claim it or not.


Simple "i have reporter" would be enough.

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it's saying they didn't choose where the 2nd watcher (enchant's) went

Silver claims N2 and N3 they couldn't pick.

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it's saying they didn't choose where the 2nd watcher (enchant's) went

Silver claims N2 and N3 they couldn't pick.

No we did pick the moonrise 2, we sent it to Catgirl Chipotle

Ah i see. Hold up

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Wait where second hijack comed from then.

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Silver indeed claimed giving it to Catgirls first.

Did they knew catgirl dreamer or they basically "oh wait, let's claim thing on living player and hope we don't get yelled by both dreamer and player who didn't get thing"

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So they knew you were dreamer somehow?

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I guess, it's good we didn't massclaim yet.

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Team is Silver+Sun.

Sun wouldn't knew it was hammer If not doublevote.

Good luck.

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Silver had double vote.

And yeah it was not announced until then. I guess Silver used it together with you.



Either way, let's see how it plays out.

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i didn't know it was going to be a hammer, it shouldn't have hammered

Literally screamed BLASTING YOU.

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Nice habit.


Haha gg ez i was scum what you gonna do, vig me?

Haha stupid townies?


No wait it was joke i was always like that.

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I am not really interested, just vote fast night.

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I am not really interested, just vote fast night.

I'm still town though, regardless of some crazy stunt we pulled that backfired.
So in order to give y'all time as much time to discuss as possible, I will not vote for fast night.

Holy shit stop giving me notifications with cringe theories like these.

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Night 4 begins now! Night Actions are due in (expired on 2024-04-12 21:00:00)

Fast Night please.

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It may be possible Von is mafia (with Von idea of voting to "check" double vote), but for real i don't buy it.

If it's Ydrasse. Well. It's not Ydrasse.

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I see no point in talking.

Let's go with Silver > Sun and be done with it.


We need to pick useless dreams, like invests though, so we won't just give mafia free vig.

It makes game rng at this point.

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That is a really, really, REALLY big waterfall. I bet I could meditate under it!

I'm 30 years old, why do I still need a car seat?

I gardened so well that the gods literally turned my thumb bright green!



Sounds fine?

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I hardly find mod reasoning to make night deadlines 3 days, but when everyone have decision to do, it's suddenly 1 day.


What you were thinking?

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I mean i wish ydrasse luck because if dream won't suck up town lose suddenly, then we vote silver and then i die, then you need to pick between two hydras, assuming you won't have to deal with yet another dream. I guess that may be hard.

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That's kinda all i have to say but can you just vote for dreams i mentioned?

Because all days i was in this slot i never voted because fuck 1 day is so short. No time to argue really.

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VOTE: Silver Ravens


I won't ask how these options have 4 votes.

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VOTE FAST NIGHT

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Sunflower
Aureal

Silver Ravens
DragonEater70

Prism
Catgirl Chipotle
Klick
kyouko

ActionDan
ydra
Gimli

Alianna

This is about where I'm at rn

Tomorrow during my little window of freedom after work I want to spend my time looking over my nulls and maybe trying to get a lean one way or another

~B

this haunts me

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(it means if you are town, all 3 your topreads were mafia)

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(it means if you are town, all 3 your topreads were mafia)

Do you think it's more likely I put my scum buddies at the top of my list or I'm just a townie with bad reads?

My opinion not relevant. I will die.

Good luck with Ydrasse.

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if it’s enchant i’m proud of you buddy

SO IF I AM MAFIA I PLAYED WELL BUT NOT AS TOWN WHAT

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I remember Von voted catgirl long before and hammer also didn't happen.

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Yes.


You all shitted on me when i said Kyoko and you was tvt and you shitted on me when i said Catgirl probably real dreamer (ya even called us team).


Now you suddenly want me to go convince someone and that my opinion relevant. Bleh.

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If Von again dumbtells that i may be scum, i instavote here if Ydrasse dies.

I am not dealing with this.

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I am master of OMGUS

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But really. Knock it off.

It does nothing at this point but annoying me.

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Makes me wish i am nk.

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Honestly i can counter that but i won't.

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Dream	Votes
I caught the hail Mary pass, but even that might not be enough...	4
Doesn't EVERYBODY hate Trigonometry?	4
That is a really, really, REALLY big waterfall. I bet I could meditate under it!	2
I'm 30 years old, why do I still need a car seat?	2
I gardened so well that the gods literally turned my thumb bright green!	2
My house started flooding while I was watching TV	0

The final 3 Dreams are:

I caught the hail Mary pass, but even that might not be enough...
Doesn't EVERYBODY hate Trigonometry?
That is a really, really, REALLY big waterfall. I bet I could meditate under it!

The thread will remain locked for the rest of this Moon Phase.

I am still curious how it happened.

I know i didn't want to ask, but...

I voted for dreams i asked. Some other player also did same (?)

THEN we somehow have 4 votes on dreams and i didn't vote them. Does it mean everyone else just voted them?

I mean why it happened?

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i hate town

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So Ydrasse didn't read role PM.

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i accept constructive criticism. btw. in fact i encourage constructive criticism.

YOU DIDN'T VOTE FOR FAST NIGHT

*YELLS LOUDLY*