Mini 2332: A Mid-scummer Nights Dream II | GG

[Ydrasse]

peepo

[Ydrasse]

i want to go on the slide

[Ydrasse]

i want to go on the slide

But do you?
Slides can be dangerous. Too much excitement can lead to bad stuff I heard.

i want to go down the slide.

[Ydrasse]

NO ONE locktown. malice only

[Ydrasse]

NO ONE locktown. malice only

are you fearing the townbloc, ydrasse?

or maybe you want to join?

im a lone wolf

[Ydrasse]

That was totally not me. I did not do that.

[Ydrasse]

i'm town that's why

[Ydrasse]

despite my burning desire for the slide i did not vote for the slide. you can thank me.

[Ydrasse]

my humble opinion is that the dream really is not that bad and i understand the world where people might want to advocate for how to work with it because like. it's better than an unknown that we have to deal with (i am trying to play a placating game because i am a wolf)

[Ydrasse]

i am less sick than i was before

i voted for other dreams because the slide was unfortunately not as fun as i thought it would be and that is as far as my analysis has gone

[Ydrasse]

is dragon known to be this entitled. is this town behavior

[Ydrasse]

i debated making this post because of the post cap because it’s not going to be terribly informational but i haven’t read that much (i’ve been playing toontown rewritten instead) but i will read up soon. this may come in the form of my one content post if i don’t do it before we hit post cap.

i don’t feel like obligated to use up the ~13 or so posts that would be mine in a fair and equally divided world so if someone has stuff to say steal from my pool and i won’t be mad lol

[Ydrasse]

using up one of my government mandated posts

i'm leery of voting hu tao because of 615 despite my better judgment lol. i think hu's iso is pretty bland in a way that feels more concerned with like not... giving out info than it is doing anything. but i am sympathetic to all of these long posts not being fun. because i agree and i have read only chunks here and there.

i think 615 matches that sort of pattern well but also it seems a little goofy to me to post that as a wolf thinking it'll do anything unless hu has given up entirely and has no hopes whatsoever of trying and doesn't wanna reveal anything. i guess it's maybe more likely if the format is detrimental to how she likes to play. maybe i am being too nice but i dont feel it in my heart

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: sunflower
i guess i would vote this i haven't thought too hard about this game but some of their posts have felt strange to me i could probably verbalize if/when i go back. i don't know if i'm interested in an aureal wagon though i prefer it to hu tao.

[Ydrasse]

my heart was correct in the end
this is a victory for the ydrasse

[Ydrasse]

to explain a bit more now that the weight of a post limit isn't on my shoulders i really didn't feel like she was a wolf despite the i guess. "obvious markers" or patterns wolves fall into, it felt too... premature i guess to have given up entirely even with the limitations. like there was minimal effort at all other than the one post until the end

i don't think hu really gets beaten down like that so fast

[Ydrasse]

woof woof

yes i viscerally dislike sunflower's posting it feels very manufactured but idk. i could be wrong about that. my heart now sings to me the ballad of "omg pagetop" despite having only 100 posts and even if it's small i feel that a wolf maaaaay not want to lean into their 'thing' if it would anger the town. but i think that their takes have not felt good when reading them just in the moment

[Ydrasse]

i've vaguely thought kyoko was goodposting this game but i couldn't tell you why rn

[Ydrasse]

i'm deepwolf

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i think gimli just posts like this

[Ydrasse]

time to white knight

i think that it's dangerous to play like gimli's playing right now as a wolf even if it's not particularly "good" town play because boxing yourself in can be a hard thing to get out of. it's a bit shallow at times and more vibes and confidence than maybe deserved but i struggle to see the wolf that does this. i will also hedge on THIS opinion and say i could be wrong but i don't feel like there's malice.

[Ydrasse]

time to white knight

i think that it's dangerous to play like gimli's playing right now as a wolf even if it's not particularly "good" town play because boxing yourself in can be a hard thing to get out of. it's a bit shallow at times and more vibes and confidence than maybe deserved but i struggle to see the wolf that does this. i will also hedge on THIS opinion and say i could be wrong but i don't feel like there's malice.

You are basically describing my aggressive scum approach lol, has worked out for me in the past

-Drew

if gimli feels comfortable being an aggressive wolf what are the other wolves doing atm

[Ydrasse]

time to white knight

i think that it's dangerous to play like gimli's playing right now as a wolf even if it's not particularly "good" town play because boxing yourself in can be a hard thing to get out of. it's a bit shallow at times and more vibes and confidence than maybe deserved but i struggle to see the wolf that does this. i will also hedge on THIS opinion and say i could be wrong but i don't feel like there's malice.

Are you talking about literally what Gimli is doing in the moment, adding people to his towncore and considering what that means for his poe?

yes

[Ydrasse]

it's tmi thursday because my reads have been very Good so far
if only i could use them to find wolves

[Ydrasse]

i feel like we were forced to watch extended scum theatre for like a week

[Ydrasse]

Hi gimli do you want to be friends

[Ydrasse]

the roles this game are wack
not that i have one

[Ydrasse]

i am as ever too tired to do this Immediately in the moment but everytime i read a sunflower post i feel like i am confused by the route that they're going or like the conclusions they're making about stuff it doesn't feel natural. maybe in my head i have already flipped the slot as wolf and therefore am not giving them enough space to like be towny to my brain but i feel like the things that they care about and talk about really are not... good? productive?

like idk the klick comments just now seem off to me. i think maybe i am unhappy because there was a lot of meta talk and a lot of just random talk too when there could have been a lot more actually going on in the night neighborhood but it was kind of squandered. i think me feeling like it was wolf theatre probably stems from it not doing a lot for me even though i don't really have a basis of what would be "enough" atm.

[Ydrasse]

it's not an actual hood everyone can see and reply to it after a delay and i think there should have been more productivity, maybe less meta etc. personal choices.

[Ydrasse]

you have the luxury of the entire thread being forced to read about and consider the things you're saying and doing, i am aware it twas the weekend for a lot of it but i think there were better ways to use it

that being said never neighborhood me

[Ydrasse]

meeeh

softening on sunflower rn

[Ydrasse]

i'm built different what can i say

[Ydrasse]

the catgirls are trying their best but it is simply not enough

[Ydrasse]

seemingly i do not need to do a lot this game to reach the correct conclusions

[Ydrasse]

seemingly i do not need to do a lot this game to reach the correct conclusions

What correct conclusions have you made?

: dead:

well for one i'm not on a town flip here smh

[Ydrasse]

i think what i want to say would probably not go over well so i am not going to say it. instead i am going to think it

[Ydrasse]

i'm going to give you a rundown of how this interaction will go

you vote me
i don't care enough to get into this because my iso is short enough you can find it if you care. i think trying to do "not getting a second answer" thing is silly and if you actually want to vote me you can make a case from what are, surely, the scummy posts in my iso
maybe a wagon forms. i think this game is kinda [redacted] right now and i wouldn't be surprised
i claim in a bit when i get bored of the wagon existing, and the wagon goes away. we have wasted time for nothing because i don't respond much to being voted

if you wanna go through the motions of this we can go through it but otherwise you should probably vote elsewhere

[Ydrasse]

yes you are correct i have decided to use my vast amounts of tmi to do functionally nothing to push my wincon as a wolf

[Ydrasse]

i feel like every mafia game i play people get worse at identifying what a wolf would actually do in a situation when they present a scumread

[Ydrasse]

i'm going to give you a rundown of how this interaction will go

you vote me
i don't care enough to get into this because my iso is short enough you can find it if you care. i think trying to do "not getting a second answer" thing is silly and if you actually want to vote me you can make a case from what are, surely, the scummy posts in my iso
maybe a wagon forms. i think this game is kinda [redacted] right now and i wouldn't be surprised
i claim in a bit when i get bored of the wagon existing, and the wagon goes away. we have wasted time for nothing because i don't respond much to being voted

if you wanna go through the motions of this we can go through it but otherwise you should probably vote elsewhere

I don't like this post. I do think I will look at your iso.

if you wanna vote me we can skip to the "i claim and the wagon goes away" part

[Ydrasse]

i already softed earlier in this game so it was definitely prior to this

[Ydrasse]

yes actually

[Ydrasse]

i soft i think most town games when i have a role. not all of them but i think the functionality of having a potential role in limbo is useful for sucking up mafia power depending on what the role is

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: sunflower
i guess i would vote this i haven't thought too hard about this game but some of their posts have felt strange to me i could probably verbalize if/when i go back. i don't know if i'm interested in an aureal wagon though i prefer it to hu tao.

i've vaguely thought kyoko was goodposting this game but i couldn't tell you why rn

time to white knight

i think that it's dangerous to play like gimli's playing right now as a wolf even if it's not particularly "good" town play because boxing yourself in can be a hard thing to get out of. it's a bit shallow at times and more vibes and confidence than maybe deserved but i struggle to see the wolf that does this. i will also hedge on THIS opinion and say i could be wrong but i don't feel like there's malice.

Your opinions are really vague.

You say things such as "their posts feel strange". The first two posts here especially. The last one maybe has context but it also looks like you are being vague about what you are referring to; you never say how Gimli was playing, you describe it as "like this".

So to me I am thinking that this could be that you are trying to appear involved without really caring to put in thought for other players alignments, meaning more likely to be mafia.

And then I also don't like what you are doing right now, as I feel you are overreacting and that Aureal is still the likely elimination today. And now you are hinting at being a power role.

bolded: i literally talk like this in most games. i use strange/weird in places that people use "scummy" or "wolfy" when i'm not married to it being explicitly those because a lot of behavior is in fact weird. 'like this' can be contextualized as to someone's play. it's really not that vague if you read in context.

and i don't think i'm trying to appear involved. i think it would be really silly to assume that of my play with my 30-something posts. i just happen to like that i've been right when i have shown up

and i have again been doing this prior to this moment and do this in other games so if you want to call it wolfy despite that i feel that's the sort of thing i shrug at and go "well that's your problem in reading me" and move along with my day

[Ydrasse]

Ydra you are claiming this game
Why don’t we just get it over with?

waiting for an actual wagon to form because, while i have softed, i'm not doing it unless there's a ""genuine threat"" of a wagon going through
anything before that wastes the utility. right now i am a 'power role' in the eyes of the mafia and they get to figure out how to handle that. when i claim, they have a better route of how to deal with it.

and before anyone gets up in arms if it gets to that point i will actively refuse to claim the exact nuances of my role and will be providing a general idea of what it does, because at that point people either choose to believe me or not and if they do believe me i still want to make it a reasonable annoyance to mafia, not giving the full details

[Ydrasse]

i am the softer it's what i do

[Ydrasse]

hmm

[Ydrasse]

i don't think actiondan is a wolf i don't think this is an especially hot take but he doesn't feel like he's playing like one

[Ydrasse]

ydrasse wins again
yeah sure white knight me

i’m going back to bed now

[Ydrasse]

it would be a waste on me tbqh

[Ydrasse]

reading through some things i kind of feel like if aureal is a wolf von payne is one too based off of earlier defending. the hider thing is enough for me to be fine with aureal dying i think but i’m meh about her flipping wolf. is more of a “i hope so” than an i know so.

also i think that the in thread neighborhood role feels more elegant in my heart to be a wolf role. seems more in line with the game design i would expect for this game than it being town

[Ydrasse]

‘‘Twas not i

[Ydrasse]

i voted for the dnd one the superman one and the evil one

[Ydrasse]

i voted for the dnd one the superman one and the evil one

[Ydrasse]

o:

[Ydrasse]

actually the funniest way to see if those two are lying is to make them post at the same exact time

[Ydrasse]

i… don’t think i believe this claim and sequence sorry

[Ydrasse]

I think prism is stealing my thoughts and words

[Ydrasse]

I don’t rlly think kirigiri is a wolf tho

[Ydrasse]

i be around tomorrow

[Ydrasse]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Ydrasse]

i don’t rlly feel that kyoko is a wolf but i don’t feel strongly enough about it to get into the weeds of defense

make of this hedging what you will

[Ydrasse]

i still feel that von panyes role is more elegant as a wolf one and i think the current conversation isn’t really doing a lot to dissuade that

i need to reread the flipped wolf role but it kind of feels like the power level in this game is wonky if it’s town idk

[Ydrasse]

said with the voice of someone who has a very powerful role

[Ydrasse]

where did this aspect of believing very off kilter possibilities about their role begin in thread

[Ydrasse]

why would a mod not tell you your role in an explicitly non bastard game

[Ydrasse]

like idk this seems like a very weird place to end up as two people in a game where the boundaries of what is allowed is set and if you are town it makes it very hard imo to move past this for how rough it’s went down in thread

[Ydrasse]

i still feel that von panyes role is more elegant as a wolf one and i think the current conversation isn’t really doing a lot to dissuade that

i need to reread the flipped wolf role but it kind of feels like the power level in this game is wonky if it’s town idk

If we were scum why wouldn't we just flat out say our role has an extra protective and/or role blocking ability?

How would it benefit us, as scum, to talk about our theory of our role in the manner we have done?



Pre Edit: Ydra, it began simply when I was thinking about our role and the Bad Dreams.....nothing really to do with anything that happened in game.....but when Chipotle posted like they were thinking like I was thinking, made me feel that it was a real possibility

Pre Edit2: Kyo, I am going to call you Maria for the rest of the game lol(real Maria knows why)

i think that if you’re wolf you werent doing anything more than trying to make the illusion of solving and thinking about the game real by adding in like a passion or what have you to “figuring out the true mystery of my role” in a way that meshes with the actions you’ve taken

[Ydrasse]

like there’s no grander scheme here it seems like pretty standard wolf play if you are one and the reasoning happens to not stand up well to scrutiny

[Ydrasse]

idk the unfortunate aspect of this is that town can be this … This

but it’s hard to move past the fact two players who have been around for a while wouldn’t realize that role concealment is bastard maybe i expect too much of the average scummer to know this but… eh

[Ydrasse]

i mean wolf play isn’t always going to be perfect imo. sometimes a wolf goes ooh a chance to make it really seem like i’m a solving townie and then they add in a ton of details and little flairs that make them appear genuine. and then you have to add repairs when the flaws in your fake stories start to show

beyond this i do dislike the way von payne went “oh aureal and hu both need more” before progressing to develop a scumread on the latter, admitted to not really reading aureals posting and then coming out with a townread that vanishes only after the hider crumb stuff

(if i missed an important part of progression there that i need for context lmk i was ctrl f on me phone but that’s what i see it as)

[Ydrasse]

i don’t really think that’s much of an explanation

[Ydrasse]

i don’t know how you extrapolate that from my posts currently in thread where i admit that there is a possibility you are town despite things that concern me but i will state that the onus is more on you imo to prove why that’s potentially a towny sequence of read rather than just saying well it could be town couldn’t it

[Ydrasse]

i’ve been following along in the background over the past day and i don’t know where i would vote atp i’m compelled by all arguments etc

i guess logically kirigiri is a wolf focusing on one or two slots in detail trying to push out one because it’s game over otherwise but i’m not entirely sure

[Ydrasse]

i feel lukewarm about that world

[Ydrasse]

vibes are wretched so observer

[Ydrasse]

ill be around tonight or tmrw

[Ydrasse]

maybe i could have stopped this from happening i don’t know it doesn’t feel likely

[Ydrasse]

maybe

i don’t know if i could have felt good voting either place in the back and forth honestly but if it doesn’t resolve it just eats up the entire game

i think my vote always falls on von payne/sunflower now i’m kind of kicking myself though for lack of confidence

[Ydrasse]

hello

i understand the necessity of claiming at elo and how clownish what i am about to say is given that we are at the point where it's probably necessary, and that perhaps i have not done the most i can to foster this level of trust, but i really nd truly think it is in the best interests of everyone here if i don't claim and keep the mafia unaware of my role

fmpov i know that other town will go "nooooo grrr that's dumb" but the mafia has to sit here and question what i have that is so troublesome that i don't claim it. it could be nothing. it could be a way to kill one of them if i'm limmed. maybe i have 50 guns. maybe i'm an awesome dreamer backup joat something. who knows.

[Ydrasse]

i understand that it is a very large ask this late in the game but i wouldn't ask if i didn't think it was important

[Ydrasse]

hello

i understand the necessity of claiming at elo and how clownish what i am about to say is given that we are at the point where it's probably necessary, and that perhaps i have not done the most i can to foster this level of trust, but i really nd truly think it is in the best interests of everyone here if i don't claim and keep the mafia unaware of my role

fmpov i know that other town will go "nooooo grrr that's dumb" but the mafia has to sit here and question what i have that is so troublesome that i don't claim it. it could be nothing. it could be a way to kill one of them if i'm limmed. maybe i have 50 guns. maybe i'm an awesome dreamer backup joat something. who knows.

i understand that it is a very large ask this late in the game but i wouldn't ask if i didn't think it was important

We need to think about this. Will you claim if we ask you to later? It might depend on how the rest of this phase plays out.

maybe. i'm not going to say yes because i'm unsure if there's something important enough that would sway me right now but it's not.. out of the picture. i'm dwelling on it.

[Ydrasse]

boo

[Ydrasse]

standing person emoji

i have been vibing it is true but also trying to read back some because Wow this is a Game !

[Ydrasse]

is the double vote active...?

[Ydrasse]

i think i was interpreting it wrong and taking "next game day" as in TOMORROW" but functionally i don't... know if it matters atp

[Ydrasse]

i am very slightly leaning catgirl as being town right now but i am like 55/45 on that

[Ydrasse]

well looking at the vote count no doublevote seems to be Currently in play

[Ydrasse]

enchant do you want to pretend we are the secret third viable scumteam option

[Ydrasse]

your wolf partner

[Ydrasse]

rereading this game has gotten me only at 50/50 now so i'm having a great time
also the double vote thing clearly isn't happening today unless it's some weird hidden activation etc so let's not waste anymore time in talking about it imo

[Ydrasse]

ydra can we talk sometime

yes start us off

[Ydrasse]

ydra can we talk sometime

yes start us off

what's up with your read on us

it’s probably marginal concern right now i’m a little troubled by all of the slips and strange thoughts like about the 1v1 but idk. at a certain point i do have to figure out a second wolf so ehhh?
rereading i’ve been more focused on the cc slots. had a whim to vote outside of it for a while but then no one is apparently dreamer anymore oopsies

also i think one of your heads did a large post in twilight that i felt was sort of case-y or narrative-y at times but other than that i’m a void

[Ydrasse]

i probably need to read those parts of the game more closely and not in iso context but i feel like this game sucks because everyone has had weird ideas and reads and has pushed miselims and figuring out who was sincere is ack

[Ydrasse]

i don’t think i can really illuminate my read on you atm sunflower because i am utterly Lost this game as of this moment like i feel it should be really obvious to me but my brain is rejecting it

i guess i see it as like two teams or something but even then the hydra dissonance makes it not so neat and that’s ick and just

i hate this game!

[Ydrasse]

i’m unsure how tbqh

[Ydrasse]

fmpov it broadly was aligning as you/catgirls vs payne/ravens (i do not ever vote enchant this game probably) but it’s more muddled than i thought. that the game would fall into two camps makes sense to me if there is a double voter in play where you can Almost always brute force if things work out well the day prior

[Ydrasse]

oh another random thought is that i’m p uncomfortable with wolf catgirls posting what they did today and thag was why i was slightly leaning town on them but i think that it could be wolf frustration too at not being able to do the doublevote today

[Ydrasse]

fmpov it broadly was aligning as you/catgirls vs payne/ravens (i do not ever vote enchant this game probably) but it’s more muddled than i thought. that the game would fall into two camps makes sense to me if there is a double voter in play where you can Almost always brute force if things work out well the day prior

i guess i thought that if you were sorting the game into two camps then sorting among the others can help resolve the 1v1, so reading for both can be useful. and also resolving the 1v1 points you to where the second wolf is so the "i guess at some point i have to find the second wolf" didn't make sense to me with that mindset

but if it's more muddled then maybe not

ahh i understand more now the disconnect
i don’t think it’s as clean cut as i wanted it to be versus the start of the day and atp it feels more like everyone wants to kill catgirls which is hm. bussing i guess? makes it harder to find last wolf but even then i don’t know how much of reads are mechanical cc stuff versus everything else

[Ydrasse]

Very Cool! Awesome!

[Ydrasse]

that isn't a general jab at anyone idk if i would have gotten to voting correctly and the doublevoter being hidden is lame imho

[Ydrasse]

i think all of this was really lame idk

[Ydrasse]

maybe im just mad i wasnt here to post more thats on me i guess

[Ydrasse]

gut instinct is that sunflower is the partner but like idk
the hammer was very nasty in how it passed off responsibility but i cn see jupiter doing that i guess

[Ydrasse]

that depends on if it was around to be activated, assuming conditions, etc

[Ydrasse]

gut instinct is that sunflower is the partner but like idk
the hammer was very nasty in how it passed off responsibility but i cn see jupiter doing that i guess

i think this bothers me mostly because it falls into a line of play of theoretical wolf that's like "jupiter has been told to really sell up the energy and naivety and zest and the silly slips over and over"

[Ydrasse]

idk do you think it's von payne then

i thought that it could be enchant for a little bit but i think hes too annoyed by ravens to be a wolf

[Ydrasse]

yeah

[Ydrasse]

i could have gotten to catgirls as town i think idk maybe if i read more or something i would have done it fast enough for it to matter
the emotional posts being wolf would have been disgusting

[Ydrasse]

maybe i was just right about von paynes role

[Ydrasse]

the funniest timeline is it's loyal neighborizer and they're a wolf who gets to pocket people etc etc and give us subtle clears

[Ydrasse]

maybe "idk our strange actions are because we thought our role had hidden bastard modifiers" is sometimes just a wolf

[Ydrasse]

im spewing out everything into the thread now because it shrimply doesnt matter my role isnt gonna fix this

[Ydrasse]

bleh

[Ydrasse]

gut instinct is that sunflower is the partner but like idk
the hammer was very nasty in how it passed off responsibility but i cn see jupiter doing that i guess

i think this bothers me mostly because it falls into a line of play of theoretical wolf that's like "jupiter has been told to really sell up the energy and naivety and zest and the silly slips over and over"

wdym zest

in some games the best thing you can do is play up how little attention you're paying and how much you really 'get' a game and its mechanics and nuances ive done this before in wolf games that ended up being victories and i think that you are positioned atm where you could get away with it the once in a game just by being newer

[Ydrasse]

gut instinct is that sunflower is the partner but like idk
the hammer was very nasty in how it passed off responsibility but i cn see jupiter doing that i guess

wdym

"i trust fire!" and absolve responsibility by playing into aforementioned energy is a possible wolf strat

[Ydrasse]

this doesnt even matter atp but nyeh

[Ydrasse]

maybe "idk our strange actions are because we thought our role had hidden bastard modifiers" is sometimes just a wolf

I don't think we had strange actions at all

we went on an entire tangent lik day 2/3 where your slot said "ohhhh we made these choices and they were all because we thought there was a secret modifier to our role and maybe we could impact it like this or that!" when it would have been a convenient way to tie together whatever thought processes you were posting

[Ydrasse]

gut instinct is that sunflower is the partner but like idk
the hammer was very nasty in how it passed off responsibility but i cn see jupiter doing that i guess

wdym

"i trust fire!" and absolve responsibility by playing into aforementioned energy is a possible wolf strat

fire is my better half how could i not trust him

you do understand how convenient that is right like youre not dumb

[Ydrasse]

actually idk quote me if you want a response on something that matters im getting annoyed

[Ydrasse]

my funniest pr prank yet

[Ydrasse]

i think it is just von payne rn i don't think it's ever really enchant for later days behavior and i dont think its sunflower because of their trajectory on ravens over the game feeling pretty natural to me. i am a little worried this was always "The Plan" to some extent in that the endgame was to distance and claim as it went but meh

[Ydrasse]

Sunflower
Aureal

Silver Ravens
DragonEater70

Prism
Catgirl Chipotle
Klick
kyouko

ActionDan
ydra
Gimli

Alianna

This is about where I'm at rn

Tomorrow during my little window of freedom after work I want to spend my time looking over my nulls and maybe trying to get a lean one way or another

~B

this haunts me

[Ydrasse]

Why is Silver Ravens so disconnected from this game

I feel like Dan should be posting more too

With the claim and votes in order there isn't much left to do this day. Depending on Aureal's role, I'd probably flip Von Payne into (Ravens, Kirigiri, Catgirl, Sunflower) in later days.

good reads

Obviously they aren't good in regards to us(and ya I am different than in JOAT.....I have a role that I am utilizing lol)

But I do believe the overall sentiment

A bit of a crazy thought here, what if we flip Ravens instead of Kiri today?

Inb4 Dragons uses up all 100 posts

On that topic.

I said as much to Black(and mistakenly thought it was Prism who commented on it), but Silver Ravens(not sure if it was gif or Dunn specifically)......I know I agreed with you about Dragon spewing alignment as they post......but after I thought about what you said some more, you have minimal experience with them.......why would you assume this and make it a point to give them benefit of the doubt to let them live?

You should hurry up and respond before Dragon reawakens lol

-Drew

This was me thinking that Ravens and Dragons could be buddies, my subsequent vote on Dragons was to kinda put pressure on both parties

Also, still think this was a bit of tmi from Ravens

i might outline this better when i’m not phoneposting but going thru past posts it really feels like the meat of ravens/payne interactions were during the kerfuffle with payne thinking their role could be something secretive and a very light bit of suspicion from payne on ravens (2310 feels very out of place to me)

and like i think that being the backbone of everything makes it a lot easier to do “theatre” or whatever because it’s not actually reliant as much on reads on other players and more on mechanical thoughts. not entirely because payne’s reads did have influence on the thoughts they’re reading but it’s a safer venue for ravens to question a partner

[Ydrasse]

also payne i am very sorry if you are town but i struggle to read especially yesterday as like… kind of singlemindedly just trying to kill catgirls with the sort of things i often seen wolves do? being ascribing things like desperate angry gross etc to posts to tear them down but not having a lot of logic fmpov to back up why you think or feel that way. a reactive sort of playstyle that doesn’t stand up to scrutiny for long

which i think makes sense as a wolf trying to close out melo thinking the game ends with it

also uhhh this is me shirking responsibility but like all the dead townies that think you’re wolf too

[Ydrasse]

me saying the neighborhood n1 was wolf theatre makes sense because it was in fact a wolf and someone wolfsiding (i say this not harshly but like solving with a wolf yknow)

[Ydrasse]

my third eye always open

[Ydrasse]

i really do think if paynes a wolf they have a fun wolf role

[Ydrasse]

Thank you for being our first guests and for taking your shoes off before you came in

I kinda want to recruit Aureal tomorrow. Not only is she probably town but I think she'll keep the vibes mellow ya know

~B

this is also kind of curious if payne is a wolf; clearly it never came to fruition because of the hider crumb but speculating is fun. there’s a timeline where aureal is recruited and it’s like a very in depth pocket good cop bad cop thing they do to sunflower

[Ydrasse]

Ydra with all due respect I think you have come to the conclusion that I'm scum and now you're conf biased looking over things

yes i have read through the game and through the available contents of it decided you are probably the wolf

like i’m not trying to be condescending when i ask: what’s the purpose of this post? how does it change my mind?

if you think sunflower is a wolf they have an extensive iso and there should be something more compelling in that iso that you can analyze or share that shows why it’s likely them

[Ydrasse]

(fwiw i AM open to changing my mind and thoughts but i find the case for you being wolf to be more compelling; i think you both voting catgirls is very ugly. i think you defending both wolves for a long while and then having meh discussion fmpov is ugly. i think sunflower defending aureal day one is ugly. the MEAT of my town sunflower read is their posts about silver ravens and how there was a consistent thread of pushing there that i feel in your iso was a weird inclusion instead)

[Ydrasse]

i’m rescinding my fast night for the time being sorry

[Ydrasse]

if it’s enchant i’m proud of you buddy

[Ydrasse]

i promise i am very killable now aha

[Ydrasse]

tangentially i’m very pleased and hoping my futile posting last night and the allure of my mystery or really was the bait i felt it was

[Ydrasse]

woof woof

yes i viscerally dislike sunflower's posting it feels very manufactured but idk. i could be wrong about that. my heart now sings to me the ballad of "omg pagetop" despite having only 100 posts and even if it's small i feel that a wolf maaaaay not want to lean into their 'thing' if it would anger the town. but i think that their takes have not felt good when reading them just in the moment

speak to me your secrets past me

[Ydrasse]

i’m gonna fumble this game after saving it

[Ydrasse]

you were towny as town! i’m still proud!

[Ydrasse]

if sunflower is a wolf they’ve done exceptionally well in muddying up their iso with nothingposts

[Ydrasse]

I'm inclined to side with Kyoko Kirigiri, I do feel that Von Payne has been changing what they are arguing based on what other people have asked them.

the ulterior motive was to answer a question that was being repeatedly asked of them in 4 pages and they made a tactical mistake on it to declare they had a hidden motive for going with catgirl as their choice. so they felt the need to make one and it made no sense, so they changed it and it still made no sense and they kept working on it to make a full story that makes a bit of sense.

I agree with this more than the counterargument of asking why mafia would play this way; sometimes they slip up and have to keep going with something.

idk maybe im dumb and they should be obvious but i don't really see major contradictions that aren't explained by

1) the two heads having differing perspectives on things

2) them not being exactly sure whether they think their role would be protective or role blocking or neither and it more just being a vague theory

:blossom:

They would have to have one head thinking it was a roleblock, and the other head thinking it was a protective, and for both heads to agree to target the same person. That seems like a huge disconnect, and not really realistic.

VOTE: Von Payne

UNVOTE: Von Payne

I think that Sunflower looks pretty suspect in the past few pages. They seem disingenuous to me, I find it hard to believe that they are being truthful about their stance on Kyoko and thinking about partners. And Von Payne was the one to point it out so perhaps some consideration is in order

>:|

[Ydrasse]

The Dreamer has Chosen!

Choice for Reveal:

You know how Vi does what Vi does? Well...

Vi has a rigorous interior process with difficult to anticipate results!

---

A

Bad Dream

steals the Dream choice from the Dreamer. The

Bad Dream

can choose either the other Dream from the final two, or can choose one of the Discarded Dreams.

Choice for the Dream:

These sheeple have.. fur? And horns? Wait these are literally sheep people.

Did everyone

really

just turn into sheep?

---

Everyone turns into a sheep! This makes the mods want to count sheep. The game day becomes vote posts only, once 100 posts are posted. All players are allowed one post of content even after this has occurred. Posting content other than votes past this 100 posts will have dire consequences for you, and/or your faction.

quoting this for myself

[Ydrasse]

Choice for the Dream:

You know how Vi does what Vi does? Well...

Vi has a rigorous interior process with difficult to anticipate results!

---

A

Bad Dream

steals the Dream choice from the Dreamer. The

Bad Dream

can choose either the other Dream from the final two, or can choose one of the Discarded Dreams.

[Ydrasse]

this is a job for laptop reading not phone reading because i’ve made no progress

[Ydrasse]

Jupiter hammered Catgirls 30 minutes after I put her to e-1. The double vote plus hammer was the play all along. They made sure they got the hammer in quick before anyone changed their votes

they posted several times before hammering and after you voted - why didn’t they immediately vote?

[Ydrasse]

sunflowers posting is kind of rough post hammer
i live in a world where the pokémon posting is wolves thinking the game will end

[Ydrasse]

Uh, sorry, I expected the prod timer to start with day since the thread was locked for quite some time between phases. And I expected to be dead by now anyway so I didn't have much motivation or see much reason to pay attention. I don't think I have anything left to give this game. I had such high hopes coming in but I've already had to pick myself up from repeated, massive blows to try to struggle onwards, grinding myself down to the bone out of an inflated sense of responsibility. It's had a massive effect on my mental health and I need to step back. I targeted Sunflower with my ability last night and saw no bad dreams visit so nothing useful from that. And I voted for the stupid and bad dreams because I'm stupid and bad (and hate female armor) and obviously nobody else was going to.

Yeah, so it's really only useful for (mostly) clearing people since the bad dreams probably don't target their own (but not certainly, could be an inventor like in fferyllt's Star Trek game). I didn't think Sunflower would be nightkilled, they were getting attention and some heat, and I didn't have much of a read on them. Getting a reasonably confident clear would've been nice.

For Aureal, the Nightmare is over.

She was

Tarhalindur, Deep Sleeping Master Roaster of the Midsummer Night's Coffee

of the

Bad Dreams.

Spoiler: Aureal's Role PM

Hello Aureal!

You are

Tarhalindur, Deep Sleeping Master Roaster of the Midsummer Night's Coffee

of the

Bad Dreams.

Your non-factional abilities are:

• On this night, nothing can stop me
  : Once during the game you can perform the factional kill with a Strongman modifier.
  
• There is no refuge in deep sleep
  : Each night, you can target a player and learn if they are a Deep Sleeper.
  
• To sleep, perchance to dream
  : As a Deep Sleeper you are potentially able to Dream. See the Game-Specific Rules in the Game Thread for more about dreaming.
  
• Do I talk in my sleep? Are you sure?
  : Your voice and your vote.[/b]

Your factional abilities are:

• Nyaaaaaaa
  
  
• Meoooooooooow
  
  
• ScritchScritch
  
  
• Purrrrrrrrrrrrr

i’m going to rock bottom now trying to glean any scrap of knowledge and i’m curious if anyone has any thoughts on this whatsoever because otoh it’s safe to claim you visited a partner but also i feel like with her role being to find potential dreamers she really did just visit sunflower with that idk

[Ydrasse]

i think the odds are kind of low
let me double check something

[Ydrasse]

reading through some things i kind of feel like if aureal is a wolf von payne is one too based off of earlier defending. the hider thing is enough for me to be fine with aureal dying i think but i’m meh about her flipping wolf. is more of a “i hope so” than an i know so.

also i think that the in thread neighborhood role feels more elegant in my heart to be a wolf role. seems more in line with the game design i would expect for this game than it being town

SAVE ME PAST ME

[Ydrasse]

Can I just say how ironic this is considering you openly said you're going to "not talk to any of your wolfreads and ignore them?" I'm not as sold as my hydra partner is on you being a wolf Gimli but when your reads change entirely overly irl days with barely any posts in-between in some instances to justify those flips it's odd. Then to have the confidence to go "My wolfreads are so correct that I'm going to ignore them!" Like, to me you have to be a wolf making this up or this is a new level of egotistical delusion that I haven't seen before.

Let's not forget if I remember correctly a lot of this was made during the first moon phase.

Spoiler: some of my PT work

trying an experiment here to see if I survive day 2

I'm ISOing a random guess at a scum team: klick, catgirl and actiondan

catgirl: post #91 is very strange commentary post. I do not believe maria cares this much about people "talking about dreams so much" that she has to make any comment on it. *note to self: one post in and I'm already tunneling this slot*
#100 is bad mech as we all know
#102 is another comment that I just don't see maria feeling the need to make when she is a townie. it's clear that kyoko is either towning or emulating a towny perspective on dream guesses: yes the dream guesses are supposedly NAI, but can't there be towny ways to do that? I see no reason why they COULDN'T, and I see no point in maria talking down an early townlean like that unless she has reasons to either scumread the player or to scumread kyoko. again, filler commentary that sucks.
#112 is bad mech again

then klick finally shows up... repeating catgirl's bad mech reasoning. it's kind of a bad post, kinda awkward idk. post #126

AD shows up with #200. I remember seeing towny things in this post, but are they there really? it starts really bad with spitey comments that don't say anything about anything. I do kinda like the post, though. let's see how this goes.

catgirls #212: still scum. #215 is how scum townreads a towny. I should maybe bring this up tomorrow.

AD's #229: yeah I don't think AD is scum.

ok so like, catgirl is scum. but who is it scum with? my first impression is NOT with AD

and if both AD and hu tao are townies, then either klick went full TMI on d1, or klick is just a townie with good impressions.

I think the best defense for town!klick is that he tried a counterwagon to town!hu tao and also to maybe town!AD

he did go to aureal but I think it makes sense and I'm not so sure if aureal is indeed town or if she just pocketed me really hard.

I have to find other partners for catgirl anyway. I wonder if prism fits the bill.

yeah I don't think its aureal either

so prism, there's a lot of hmmmm stuff about her, isn't there? should be worth exploring

I don't hink #84 is such an organic thought on re-read. it feels just too much like posturing and making logical sounding posts that don't amount to much.

catgirl and prism are having a little disagreement on mechanics but it does NOT mean absolutely anything wrt their alignments, of course. what's worse is that prism used this later on to justify having a townread on the hydra because she 'doesnt think alisae would disagree with me on mechanics'. I'll catch that post and put here when I find it.

#158 also doesnt feel like a real thought and if prism is a townie and this is what she does as a townie then im not impressed at all and I think she is just not a very good scumhunter (in before scum dragoneater)

I will also note that the townread on hu tao could easily be TMI on her part. and that's because all the possible wagons were lending on townies anyway, so posturing with a defense of hu tao gives you townpoints.

#195 also just sounds like bullshit and not a real read.

I have to really case prism if I wanna put this through though.

I'll note that catgirl's #212 "I find Dragon's posting towny and I don't understand the townread's on Prism's slot.
There posting is very well written like reading a royal script, but I would've come to expect that as either alignment. If any of the people townreading them wish to expand more on why that would mean a lot" I once again have a problem with maria/ali having a problem with people's reads that don't talk about anyone specifically and that don't have a read on prism or anything like that. again, this is filler, this isn't solving.

#215-#216 is a whole lot of awkwardness from these players. I think they have high svs equity and I hope to god I'm right and getting somewhere with this.

I think its prism/catgirl and then, lets see...

I think AD townreading prism like that happens when he is a townie and she is scum or whatever but not when they're scum together, I don't think. or maybe? idk

I'll trust that ydra is town. I think I'll trust that klick is town.

goddammit I don't think its sunflower man. maybe its aureal after all? shit.

this + enchants behavior the past like few days and also not being on the wagon means that i shrimply don’t think he’s wolf

[Ydrasse]

i’m going to rock bottom now trying to glean any scrap of knowledge and i’m curious if anyone has any thoughts on this whatsoever because otoh it’s safe to claim you visited a partner but also i feel like with her role being to find potential dreamers she really did just visit sunflower with that idk

Is it safe for her to say she targeted a partner? I feel like a tracker or watcher or something could have foiled that super easy and it would be two scum dead

is… the implication here ultimately then that aureal visited a town sunflower .

[Ydrasse]

reading through some things i kind of feel like if aureal is a wolf von payne is one too based off of earlier defending. the hider thing is enough for me to be fine with aureal dying i think but i’m meh about her flipping wolf. is more of a “i hope so” than an i know so.

also i think that the in thread neighborhood role feels more elegant in my heart to be a wolf role. seems more in line with the game design i would expect for this game than it being town

SAVE ME PAST ME

I'm not going to be upset if you just end up choosing us. I don't think we've been particularly townie so I can't really blame you. If there's anything I can do to make your decision easier lmk

i get that i wasn’t as active early on and railed against the early neighborhood activity and usefulness but currently i really and truly don’t know if i can find you as town if you don’t offer something or a reason it’s anyone else that has weight behind it. a case or connection with the other wolves finding motivation in someone’s iso - literally anything that shows that it could be another person

like if you are town i’ll admit atm i am sinking this ship but with the less and less heart in this game it reads more to me like the game was supposed to end and it suddenly didn’t and there’s not… a lot of places for you to go

but if i’m wrong i seriously need something from you that can convince me otherwise

[Ydrasse]

i’m going to rock bottom now trying to glean any scrap of knowledge and i’m curious if anyone has any thoughts on this whatsoever because otoh it’s safe to claim you visited a partner but also i feel like with her role being to find potential dreamers she really did just visit sunflower with that idk

Is it safe for her to say she targeted a partner? I feel like a tracker or watcher or something could have foiled that super easy and it would be two scum dead

is… the implication here ultimately then that aureal visited a town sunflower .

Yes, but if Enchant is the NK then that implication goes away because I don't think you can be scum here

i don’t follow idk if we are talking past each other but i read this as it’s dangerous for aureal to visit a partner so she doesn’t and actually visited sunflower who is town to avoid pr stuff

is it just that this is what happened in a town enchant world or that aureal ultimately lied or etc

[Ydrasse]

Can I just say how ironic this is considering you openly said you're going to "not talk to any of your wolfreads and ignore them?" I'm not as sold as my hydra partner is on you being a wolf Gimli but when your reads change entirely overly irl days with barely any posts in-between in some instances to justify those flips it's odd. Then to have the confidence to go "My wolfreads are so correct that I'm going to ignore them!" Like, to me you have to be a wolf making this up or this is a new level of egotistical delusion that I haven't seen before.

Let's not forget if I remember correctly a lot of this was made during the first moon phase.

Spoiler: some of my PT work

trying an experiment here to see if I survive day 2

I'm ISOing a random guess at a scum team: klick, catgirl and actiondan

catgirl: post #91 is very strange commentary post. I do not believe maria cares this much about people "talking about dreams so much" that she has to make any comment on it. *note to self: one post in and I'm already tunneling this slot*
#100 is bad mech as we all know
#102 is another comment that I just don't see maria feeling the need to make when she is a townie. it's clear that kyoko is either towning or emulating a towny perspective on dream guesses: yes the dream guesses are supposedly NAI, but can't there be towny ways to do that? I see no reason why they COULDN'T, and I see no point in maria talking down an early townlean like that unless she has reasons to either scumread the player or to scumread kyoko. again, filler commentary that sucks.
#112 is bad mech again

then klick finally shows up... repeating catgirl's bad mech reasoning. it's kind of a bad post, kinda awkward idk. post #126

AD shows up with #200. I remember seeing towny things in this post, but are they there really? it starts really bad with spitey comments that don't say anything about anything. I do kinda like the post, though. let's see how this goes.

catgirls #212: still scum. #215 is how scum townreads a towny. I should maybe bring this up tomorrow.

AD's #229: yeah I don't think AD is scum.

ok so like, catgirl is scum. but who is it scum with? my first impression is NOT with AD

and if both AD and hu tao are townies, then either klick went full TMI on d1, or klick is just a townie with good impressions.

I think the best defense for town!klick is that he tried a counterwagon to town!hu tao and also to maybe town!AD

he did go to aureal but I think it makes sense and I'm not so sure if aureal is indeed town or if she just pocketed me really hard.

I have to find other partners for catgirl anyway. I wonder if prism fits the bill.

yeah I don't think its aureal either

so prism, there's a lot of hmmmm stuff about her, isn't there? should be worth exploring

I don't hink #84 is such an organic thought on re-read. it feels just too much like posturing and making logical sounding posts that don't amount to much.

catgirl and prism are having a little disagreement on mechanics but it does NOT mean absolutely anything wrt their alignments, of course. what's worse is that prism used this later on to justify having a townread on the hydra because she 'doesnt think alisae would disagree with me on mechanics'. I'll catch that post and put here when I find it.

#158 also doesnt feel like a real thought and if prism is a townie and this is what she does as a townie then im not impressed at all and I think she is just not a very good scumhunter (in before scum dragoneater)

I will also note that the townread on hu tao could easily be TMI on her part. and that's because all the possible wagons were lending on townies anyway, so posturing with a defense of hu tao gives you townpoints.

#195 also just sounds like bullshit and not a real read.

I have to really case prism if I wanna put this through though.

I'll note that catgirl's #212 "I find Dragon's posting towny and I don't understand the townread's on Prism's slot.
There posting is very well written like reading a royal script, but I would've come to expect that as either alignment. If any of the people townreading them wish to expand more on why that would mean a lot" I once again have a problem with maria/ali having a problem with people's reads that don't talk about anyone specifically and that don't have a read on prism or anything like that. again, this is filler, this isn't solving.

#215-#216 is a whole lot of awkwardness from these players. I think they have high svs equity and I hope to god I'm right and getting somewhere with this.

I think its prism/catgirl and then, lets see...

I think AD townreading prism like that happens when he is a townie and she is scum or whatever but not when they're scum together, I don't think. or maybe? idk

I'll trust that ydra is town. I think I'll trust that klick is town.

goddammit I don't think its sunflower man. maybe its aureal after all? shit.

this + enchants behavior the past like few days and also not being on the wagon means that i shrimply don’t think he’s wolf

Why does 1133 make you think he can't be a wolf?

it’s possible that he forged a fake series of notes in like, 30 minutes or something but that feels very unlikely to me

also iirc i think i’ve been calling him town most of this game and while my reads haven’t been fully There i think they’ve been mostly ok

[Ydrasse]

how would you know who it would be for sure thoigh if i die if you’re positing two different possibilities currently?

[Ydrasse]

mmm

[Ydrasse]

if i’m wrong i was mostly right on everything else i too deserve the right to make an epic fail of a vote this game in towny tradition

[Ydrasse]

how would you know who it would be for sure thoigh if i die if you’re positing two different possibilities currently?

For some reason I didn't think you could die

If you die then this is gonna be really hard for me

also if you’re town sorry for being demanding of you if you can’t or anything but it makes me worried if you’re unwilling to case now etc because it can come across like trying to avoid engaging with a townie

is drew still active too?

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: sunflower
i guess i would vote this i haven't thought too hard about this game but some of their posts have felt strange to me i could probably verbalize if/when i go back. i don't know if i'm interested in an aureal wagon though i prefer it to hu tao.

what secrets did you know past me

[Ydrasse]

i understand it’s in the mafias best interest to not vote fast night but also you’re lame

[Ydrasse]

three days for this is horrid

[Ydrasse]

i hate mafia

[Ydrasse]

what did you vote for the dreams yesterday?

[Ydrasse]

I just don't see how it could be ydra. She clearly withheld her role information in order to fool scum into thinking they could win when they couldn't

I'm going to withhold my vote for now just in case there is something I'm missing

Drew checked into the PT yesterday and just said he has no clue who it is. I'm hoping to get more from him in ELO

pinging for answer

[Ydrasse]

yes claim

[Ydrasse]

okay and what did you vote for the dream

[Ydrasse]

+ do you have any proof of that because that seems very … a lot

[Ydrasse]

ugh

[Ydrasse]

so fire
you do realize you uh
messed up your claim right?

[Ydrasse]

i’ll let it sink in

[Ydrasse]

@von vote plz

[Ydrasse]

a great weight has lifted from my shoulders

[Ydrasse]

rescinding

[Ydrasse]

heehee

[Ydrasse]

you cannot be mad that i’d want to see how you reacted when coming out with this claim in endgame

[Ydrasse]

i am mildly curious why you haven’t voted yet

[Ydrasse]

hello

[Ydrasse]

what’s your take on how you used your role this game

[Ydrasse]

understandable

also clearly not a wolf here

[Ydrasse]

von payne both of you if you’re town im genuinely very sorry but i don’t think i can find you this game

[Ydrasse]

a skill issue on my end

[Ydrasse]

ik not voting immediately

[Ydrasse]

do you have any games you can link if you playing endgame? @von

[Ydrasse]

[Ydrasse]

hi this is a collaborative post. sorry that it's kind of a mess. jupiter is gonna be mad that i am posting this as one post away from a pagetop but he's in posting jail and can't stop me. this is his punishment

~~~

this is a foreword from jupiter. look at this little baby.
this is actually me. when you hurt me this is who u are hurting

ummmm hi sorry for the pagetop post and the other things- i’m naturally a stream-of-consciousness poster so i post things as i think of them. in my defense i didnt think the pagetop post would be considered as a content post since i skimmed the warnings the mods gave us at the beginning of the day and honestly i didnt think three posts would be that bad ( side eye) but i guess they are so i’m sorry about that. i will try to be less annoying but i am not sure if that is possible
this is the only post i will write since i’m stuck in no-posting jail ( where you belong. jail for one thousand years.), which is probably for the better, and i will go back to spamming thread when we’re done with this horrible fucked up day phase
and i will read the first five pages. eventually. if i make another post ill talk about it




ok so i’m gonna talk about my reads in more depth.
i think prism and hu tao are partenered. idk why i feel this way. i just feel like they are. they’re probably both scum
and i used to think black and dragon could’ve been partnered but fire thinks it’s dumb ( sorry)
ravens, klick, and kyoko kind of feel like radio silence null reads to me. i liked klick at first but then they disappeared off the face of the earth. hu tao, ydrasse feel like white noise to me

tbh i dont tryust myself to talk about reads, i forgot 50% of these people existed. w

on individual players for the record most of these are gut
→ catgirls is super town to me tbh. i think the way they post is very good and i really like it it feels like they are getting into this. i dunno how to reallyu read hydras esp because they dont sign but i liked the stuff
→ i initially townread ydra but tbh i think i don’t like it as much anymore. as i said earlier on her behavior came off as more towny to me but the longer it goes on the worse it looks, and i think that still applies. no fucking clue why fire townreads them tho. ( vibes are hard to explain but they're there imo) null.
→ i really dislike hu tao for the same reasons. the play here is kind of bad. partnered with prism, more likely scum ( i don't really think prism treats a partner like this but i agree the handling is kind of weird) ( i don’t know prism but i think this partnered)
btw hu tao, why do you scumread us and catgirls
→ btw when i played genshin i literally used so much primogems up, got to 87 pulls and lost 50/50 to diluc and then in my next one-pull i got hu tao. ( lmao nice) one of the most memorable and most frustrating gaming experiences of all time.
→ conflicted on the gimli spot- i scumread them earlier and then it looped randomly back around toa townread and now gimli is sitting at tnull. fire doesnt like gimli so i think i will sheep fire
→ had a really strong bad gutread on black in particular. i’m not sure what specifically caused it beyond some things i saw about dragon but it was mostly in the dream-voting phase and has mostly disappeared now, i think i’m willing to drop her into the townbin. i think drew was okayish though
→ do people actually townread actiondan i saw one post from them that i didnt get and forgot about their slot forever for the rest of time. fire cased him i think i agree with it ( let's go!!)
→ i dont likeprism. i dont know how i townread her initially. rancid vibes dude. rancid. rancid scum vibes. i dont like one bit of it.
→ dragon town
→ i forgot about aureal what did she even do lol


okkk thats all, fire’s gonna be talking about the stuff he wants to talk about now. i hate this. free me from no posting jail please ( no. stay) ( BOOO TOMATO TOMATO TOMATO TOMATO BOOOOOOO) augh

*takes 1d6 psychic damage* ough *the dice keeps rolling* *i am taking perpetual psychic damage* * please let me psot one liners again i miss them…… *

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ok hi thank you jupiter. ( YOU’RE WELCOME)

from recent stuff there's not a ton to add but i didn't really love gimli's 606. i kinda was swayed at first by the paragraph in response to my scumread but maybe i am once again falling for the “wow you're so towny for scumreading me. great job”. and i don't really like the catgirls scumread, i think maria has felt more like her town approach to me so idk why gimli is saying it's clearly not her towngame. it feels sort of to me like when decent-good level scum feels like they don't want their strongest scumread to be on low content posters and so they kinda force a scumread on a bigger name. the paragraph on prism is slightly awkward also imo. idk. overall im not sold by the post

kirigiri's catchup post was solid and alleviated some concerns i had there. ik she's good at wallposting as scum too but this one reminded me more of the way she approaches games as town. i guess i haven't really directly seen her as scum but my impression is there's more action and control. she feels like she's figuring things out and not working as part of a team.

this might be a dumb take and im not sure how much weight im willing to give to this but i think black putting 7 people in null is actually like extremely towny for her

prism’s read on dragon, especially with the elaboration, feels really precise and surgical and that worries me a little bit. i know she said at the start that her focus was going to be very directed this game but the analysis doesn't feel as holistic as i expect, i guess. ive seen prism be extremely towny in the way she approaches solving a game and i feel like im still waiting to see that.

im not really interested in pushing or eliminating her today and i was a little hesitant to bring up any suspicion but she's observant anyway and has probably noticed. it may be self centered of me to think that she's ignoring me on purpose but i think she is, especially after not responding to a direct question. there's definitely a plausible world where she's town and doing that to see how i react to try to sort me but it does feel really unlike how she approached purgatory w.r.t. me although yes yes i know that was a marathon and it was completely different mindset. still

anyway idk i would probably sit on this read since it's undeveloped which i know is generally a mistake to share early against strong scum players but jupiter wanted to talk about her anyway so i guess we can. i am also kind of interested in hearing more from klick about his read/vote there and that's part of my motivation for talking about this

I actually think ActionDan's assessment of the Slide reveal being pro-town in 200 is a towny thought process. It feels like a thought that sprang up out of genuine curiosity as to whether town or scum caused the Slide reveal. The momentum of the ActionDan wagon today has made me think that's the bait wagon, I don't want to see AD flip today.

i know we're not supposed to post much more but i really do not like this reasoning and i really do not like the way gimli jumped on top of it or the entirety of 656.

it took me a bit to even find what you were talking about here because it's such a small thing. it's literally just this:

I think rule 8 kills off the useless Slide dream. I think whatever or whoever caused the reveal to be pro-town.

calling the reveal pro-town is like. one of the most obvious and uncreative thoughts someone could have?? im not sure what there even is to consider or be curious about. revealing information to the town is pro-town by, like, definition. i don't see how klick is reading alignment out of this.

im not really sure if that makes me suspect klick but i think the way gimli piggybacked off that reasoning and ran with it is really scummy. i think, again, that most of his posting has been centered around building allies and establishing his own position. i don't think there's any way town!gimli genuinely believes the poe is that narrow here.

the aureal push in general gives me bad vibes and i don't want to go there

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a couple other things since we're at 7 so this is one of our last posts:

- we are okay with voting hu tao if we really need to get a wagon going but id kind of rather not
- i think the wagon on actiondan was super pure (i think it was us/catgirls/dragon/von payne?) and i think we should bring it back
- i don't really like the undermining of catgirls that seems to be happening lately. i still think they're solidly town. feels scum-motivated
- interested in hearing from prism more and what exactly was such an awful take
- i liked GiF's posting early on but haven't been really very sold on Dunn especially lately. that read is dropping a bit for me. would probably vote there

why did you not want to vote hu tao in this situation sunflower

[Ydrasse]

actually im just going to vote i think sorry
i dont know if the answer would really change my mind
i dont think im good enough to play elos this sucks

[Ydrasse]

like i just
von payne if youre town you didnt vote a wolf a single time unless they were outted and idk
there are so many dead town saying that youre their top suspect
sunflower at least had a silver ravens push for a while it could have been bussing but i dont know

[Ydrasse]

yeah i don't know i'm truly sorry if this is wrong
VOTE: von payne

[Ydrasse]

its over now and i am closing the tab goodbye

[Ydrasse]

sorry

[Ydrasse]

my role activated when i was visited for the first time by mafia
i guess i should have had an innocent on you because you neighborized me or whatever and it didn't immediately trigger when i was added but i didn't interpret it like that at all
i guess it's my fault for not asking about how night action resolution happened but it made sense to me that if i was targeted it would be announced after the night ended and not like. at the start of a night.