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[Random Nurse]

Was Dave/Ranger slot distancing/fake-fighting with any players in early game?

FWIW Ranger randomly moving me and Gypyx from scum reads to top town reads was really weird to me.

I don't know what that means yet but wanted to throw that out. Maybe Ranger wanted to frame one/both of us because of a weird 180?

I'm not sure.

I know Ranger enough to know she's good as Both Town and Scum, so you never know.

*puts a pin in it*

[Random Nurse]

Something tells me I'll need to scour that slot's post history and soon.

[Random Nurse]

woah! dave was ranger! i get to see what he's like as scum.

He be dead

Oh my god you're ALIVE.

It's... a MIRACLE.

OK where are you on this game mtfr?

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Snow

FWIW Dave put Snow on E-1 on page 2

Yes, yes, go on.

[Random Nurse]

but why is it

scummy

? he doesn't have your pov.

Because when Gypyx flips town, I 100% die next, since I will be confirmed at that point.

Random Nurse is actively working to remove two people who are sure of each other being town from the game, which is benefits scum.

WHO CARES if you die as Town?

Town doesn't GAF about self-preservation, and Informed Town Neighbors is a big pile of nothing when it comes to Town power.

this just in Masons is a useless role

Town-Informed Neighbors.

But now you're clarifying that your role PM says "Mason," Gypyx?

Masons are a group of people who mutually know they're town and have a PT together

Me and Thomith are a group of people who mutually know they're town and have a PT together

the word isn't there but i'm calling it that

You have a private thread with each other?

The only PT we share is the Neighbourhood.

So again you're not exactly Masons, which is the point I was trying to make despite Gypyx's lamentations. Different gameplay mechanics.

[Random Nurse]

Bloop

Is that you Elements?

[Random Nurse]

I am in favor of seeing pressure on both Kay and Naerys—they both fold under pressure as Scum.

[Random Nurse]

I feel we're not experiencing enough of Naerys, Kay, Gera, and Lycan this game.

I thought I was actually being more active in this game than normal.

I was happy to vote within the Snow / gypyx pair because it really felt like flipping one of them would give us a ton of info about the dynamics between a bunch of players. No one has really stood out to me as scummy (I didn't see what everyone else saw in ranger) and so I have been voting with snow and gypyx, but then the mason thing came up and so thaglt isn't likely to happen now and I am back to being confused again

That should tell you how much of a LURK-ass lurker you are in genetal.

[Random Nurse]

i am like unsubscribing from this thread for a day. can you believe ive been getting an email everytime someone posted here. why would i do that to myself

You know you can filter that email out?

[Random Nurse]

woah! dave was ranger! i get to see what he's like as scum.

He be dead

Why are you still voting Gypyx?

Laziness

Do something about it.

[Random Nurse]

I was wondering why i was sneezing so much, it was nurse gossiping about me
I am at work, i will post laters

(gossip?)

(where gossip?)

[Random Nurse]

I want to believe Thomith/Gypyx are Town but if they keep surviving that's going to test my faith.

[Random Nurse]

Anyone have a read on Scum Psyche?

[Random Nurse]

I DO think it's a Scumtell when a player has only Townreads and Nullreads, no Scumreads.

[Random Nurse]

If I get hoodwinked by fucking Scum Thomith and Gypyx after my initial suspicions I will laugh so hard.

[Random Nurse]

I DO think it's a Scumtell when a player has only Townreads and Nullreads, no Scumreads.

well now i do have a scumread and a few posts talking about it

but also i have plenty of other games where i'm town and similarly focused on solving through townreads than vice versa. i think you were in a recent one of those!

When exactly was that?

[Random Nurse]

Maybe there's only 2 left...

3 left in a 15 with barely any Town power doesn't seem balanced...

[Random Nurse]

I DO think it's a Scumtell when a player has only Townreads and Nullreads, no Scumreads.

well now i do have a scumread and a few posts talking about it

but also i have plenty of other games where i'm town and similarly focused on solving through townreads than vice versa. i think you were in a recent one of those!

When exactly was that?

uh...
on this page?

Well shit, that doesn't help you much.

[Random Nurse]

Yes, yes Psyche.

Sell us on Kay. You're doing a good job.

[Random Nurse]

Snow what have these Wonder Twins been saying in the Hood?

Don't want to disclose content of the hood talk. But my position in the open thread reflected what was going on there. Trying to figure out the likely set up now with these developments.

...

...why don't you want to disclose it?

[Random Nurse]

Thoughts on doing a full massclaim?

I think that'd be a good idea right about now.

[Random Nurse]

*dayvigs Random Nurse*

*raises magical mirror*

[Random Nurse]

Thoughts on doing a full massclaim?

I think that'd be a good idea right about now.

hard no again

And

why

?

[Random Nurse]

This game is just riveting.

Riveting

, I tell you.

So, people are too scared/indifferent to pressure the Wonder Twins. Psyche is the ever-present passive contrarian too milquetoast to take a hard stance on anything including what they eat for breakfast. We've got SEVEN lurk-ass MTFRs doing almost nothing this game. No one wants to mass-claim to get the trap set for Scum late-game. We've got Neighbors too scared to share what's being said in the Neighborhood like they're bitch-ass is about to get shanked. People are lurking and being passive and playing way too damn safe. Titus is like a non-entity this game and I don't think I like that.

I think I'm just going to VOTE: psyche just to see what happens.

[Random Nurse]

How plausible is Snow/Titus/Ranger?

Spitballing here.

[Random Nurse]

Something's bugging me about the early-game interactions.

BRB.

[Random Nurse]

Nah

Oh? You know who the Scum are?

[Random Nurse]

How plausible is Snow/Titus/Ranger?

Spitballing here.

It's on the back of my mind but not really my main solve anymore

Do tell.

[Random Nurse]

01) How likely is it that a Scum Dave would put Scum Snow to L-1?

[Random Nurse]

02) #45 did seem out of character for Scum Dave.

03) Could Scum Oblivion be distancing from Dave there?

[Random Nurse]

What is this?

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Psyche

And why are you voting them now?

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Unvote

[Random Nurse]

44, 45, 48 look like early-game distancing.

[Random Nurse]

02) #45 did seem out of character for Scum Dave.

03) Could Scum Oblivion be distancing from Dave there?

i'm being more and more of a scum!oblivion belvier

I see you trying to turn my head.

I will literally eat your fingers.

[Random Nurse]

mostly to annoy you

your d2 is really shitty focusing on gypyx and ignoring ranger. totally ignoring ranger. not even talking to her.

Hey, Gypyx, why do you think Jackson was killed?

random distraction to make snow fight thomith, probably sensing some morale to push thomith after my 1032. shame snow and i didn't see it the same way tho.

these three constantly pushing against the town, any vote here wins

And to

whom

is this directed towards?

[Random Nurse]

My paranoia DOES NOT like Gypyx and Thomith, both whom I have trust issues with atm, agreeing with me on someone else being suss.

And since when have you two disagreed on something this game yet? This ain't Star Trek and you aren't the Borg.

[Random Nurse]

bro you know who i'm talking to. stop trying to get a reaction

I will literally eat you alive with butter and paprika.

My patients are ALL sleeping and I've got hours of time to be ruckus.

[Random Nurse]

My paranoia DOES NOT like Gypyx and Thomith, both whom I have trust issues with atm, agreeing with me on someone else being suss.

And since when have you two disagreed on something this game yet? This ain't Star Trek and you aren't the Borg.

I scumread Gera, Gypyx townreads Gera.

And to what extent have you two discussed this?

What else do you differ on? Even if you both are Town I expect Town members to have independent, differing thoughts on the gamestate.

[Random Nurse]

I'm seeing more of what looks like early-game distancing between Oblivion and Davesaz.

VOTE: Oblivion

[Random Nurse]

Hu Tao and Wisp town. Dave and Naerys sus.

Dave sus bc whiteknight. Naerys likely fake suspicion.

Thoughts on this currently?

[Random Nurse]

i'm in anticipation of your read through of the game. let me know when you get to d2!

I don't do read-throughs, and certainly not on command.

[Random Nurse]

Although your shift in attitude I do find peculiar.

[Random Nurse]

Are either of you Gypyx or Thomith willing to vote Oblivion currently?

[Random Nurse]

basically a meaningless vote. why isn't it on psyche

1) Why are you voting psyche and

2) why are you voting psyche?

[Random Nurse]

basically a meaningless vote. why isn't it on psyche

1) Why are you voting psyche and

2) why do you want me to vote psyche?

*EDIT*

[Random Nurse]

Although your shift in attitude I do find peculiar.

My aim of the game so far has been to make sure the town doesn't fight each other. Have and am doing a great job imo.

And again how do you know who's Town?

And if you know who's Town then do you know who's Scum?

It's very convenient for Scum to play peacemaker, but do know that tactic won't save you.

[Random Nurse]

basically a meaningless vote. why isn't it on psyche

Also, FYI, vote's in general aren't meaningless. They say a LOT.

[Random Nurse]

vote me lol

Why? You're about as bland as low-sugar green tea mochi chews right about now.

Hm. I wonder if that's AI.

[Random Nurse]

basically a meaningless vote. why isn't it on psyche

Also, FYI, vote's in general aren't meaningless. They say a LOT.

have you never read or don't care about oblivion's 1v1 with ranger d2? this is cherrypicking and there's no way your vote is best placed there as any alignment.

If anything Oblivion later arguing with that same slot could be indicative of further distancing.

[Random Nurse]

basically a meaningless vote. why isn't it on psyche

Also, FYI, vote's in general aren't meaningless. They say a LOT.

have you never read or don't care about oblivion's 1v1 with ranger d2? this is cherrypicking and there's no way your vote is best placed there as any alignment.

Saying I "don't care" is awfully scummy of you regardless of alignment. If you know me you know that IRL issues frequently keep me AFK.

[Random Nurse]

So, let me get this straight. The first time you ever mentioned psyche is when you voted him right out of the blue in 2078—seemingly never having mentioned them before (correct me if I'm wrong). You call my vote on psyche meaningless in 2102, asking why it isn't on them, yet you never mentioned psyche or why you voted them before your vote. That to me strikes me as inconsistent. Inconsistency is indicative of being Scum. VOTE: lycanfire In 2108 you provide some sliver of justification for voting psyche by saying their read through is fake. Big fucking deal. Can you get any more non-specific than that? Tell me WHY you find their read through fake.

[Random Nurse]

his entire iso is townreading people for silly reasons and going hard on kay. you'd think he would have found someone other than limbait after 50 pages or whatever he read.

I did criticize him earlier for having mostly Townreads and nullreads, and then he mentioned having a Scumread on someone finally after I pressed him on it.

I don't know.

[Random Nurse]

Glancing back yet again I see Ranger was a Mafia Neighbor.

Neighbor.

It would be fucking craaaazy if Ranger, Thomith, and Gypyx were Mafia Neighbors.

Would fit in with the total lack of Town Power this game too.

[Random Nurse]

psyche's read through seems fake. just trying to clear my slot from a vt claim feels like antispew. PP seemed demoralized and was shouting for a naerys lim. seems like bait

Who claimed VT? Willow?

Do you affirm you're a VT?

[Random Nurse]

i'll claim after u champ

I'm a VT.

You?

[Random Nurse]

Re: mass claim.

i thought it was a good idea. but if others think it is bad then shut it down.

or if it goes ahead and someone doesn't want to come forward with their role then that is fine too

Just going along with the flow, eh?

[Random Nurse]

i mean, at some point in the future, probably. unless i get killed, then i'm just a liar.

Are you confirming you're a VT or not?

[Random Nurse]

please don't massclaim holy fuck

Not massclaiming is stupid.

No good reason against it has been given.

[Random Nurse]

Especially since having 2 masons is eating up a lot of our power budget

the last few roles are not gonna be enough to get us this W

NOT Masons.

[Random Nurse]

ROOOOARR.

[Random Nurse]

Especially since having 2 masons is eating up a lot of our power budget

the last few roles are not gonna be enough to get us this W

Do you have a PT with Thomith?

[Random Nurse]

Yeah you fuckin hogs.

[Random Nurse]

We ain't got shit but BESTIES.

[Random Nurse]

Especially since having 2 masons is eating up a lot of our power budget

the last few roles are not gonna be enough to get us this W

Do you have a PT with Thomith?

[Random Nurse]

OK.

For now.

[Random Nurse]

Have you played with scum!Titus? Giving up a teammate like Ranger d2 doesn't happen. Also why 3 scum lol.

i have played with scum Titus, she is deep lurker as scum

And you're

not

lurking?

[Random Nurse]

Why should Oblivion be the lim?

[Random Nurse]

I would be open to a Titus launch.

Titus knows I know they haven't been active this game.

[Random Nurse]

is correct to ask where i am right now...

can't see these being scum:
Psyche
Random Nurse
Gypyx
Oblivion
Thomith
Lycanfire

leaves:
Naerys
Snow2697
geraintm
KayJayQueue
Titus

need to remind myself why i feel positive about gera; some recent posts ive seen are less confident.
1316 strikes me as somewhat off.
kjq is realistically not an option today but i can't help but insist people stay open to her being scum

hurrying hurrying

And if Gypyx/Thomith continue to magically survive the next couple Nights?

[Random Nurse]

My paranoia is acting up, and I'm having trust issues.

I can't tell if this is Town or Scum Psyche.

[Random Nurse]

Randomnurse am I your elimination or Titus?

Why are you so eager?

What's the rush?

[Random Nurse]

...

How long have you been playing Mafia, Lycan?

This includes all your accounts.

[Random Nurse]

If Titus gets to L-1 I'll hammer.

[Random Nurse]

Psyche just casually strutting past #2376 like I'm not watching.

[Random Nurse]

...

How long have you been playing Mafia, Lycan?

This includes all your accounts.

My first mafia game was in '09 on a dead forum.

...

I see.

2013 for me.

[Random Nurse]

Let's massclaim.

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Titus

[Random Nurse]

I'd be down for a Psyche launch, too.

[Random Nurse]

I think Titus launch would hurt Town the least if they're Town, and be far better than a no-lim.

[Random Nurse]

I think for now I'll lock my vote on Titus—there's just no effort there, which could be indicative of crestfallen Scum.

[Random Nurse]

I don't think I can get a Gypyx/Thomith launch today, but if Town is smart they should start putting the pieces together late-game.

Not sure about Lycan or Oblivion.

Naerys is tough to read, and her doing the Turtle-Turtle doesn't help.

Snow I feel could maybe be Scum. Presence is rarely here. Same with Geraintm although he did show up and actually play recently.

Psyche I'm having a time trying to get a lock on.

And I keep forgetting Kay is in this game.

The ones with lack of presence make me nervous: Snow, geraintm, Titus, Kay.

Maybe Lycan and Psyche are Town. They're active like Town but then again, Scum can be active too.

[Random Nurse]

ok final readslist for the day probably. i think snow and gera reads are reasonably shaky. should not overweight a single interaction with dave in the earlygame i think, nor fact that gera is active this game. titus remains obscure. i really like my case on kay but i think her reaction to the push was town.

Random Nurse
Gypyx
Oblivion
Psyche
Thomith
Lycanfire

KayJayQueue

Naerys

Snow2697
geraintm
Titus

I am unwilling to vote anyone in the top group over accepting no lim. Mid groups are preferred over no lim. Bottom group would be a bittersweet pleasure. Sorry for not landing on more confident scumreads today. I will keep this thread open but am very busy and need to focus on other tasks that happen to also be on my computer.

Why am I on the top?

[Random Nurse]

Dood.

[Random Nurse]

OK we need to consolidate.

VOTE: Titus

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Naerys

[Random Nurse]

Not the lim I wanted.

[Random Nurse]

anyways i guess massclaiming today would be a wise idea

Oh, now you want to massclaim?

That's funny.

[Random Nurse]

Thoughts on doing a full massclaim?

I think that'd be a good idea right about now.

hard no again

And

why

?

please don't massclaim holy fuck

Not massclaiming is stupid.

No good reason against it has been given.

Yeah, I'm going to give you all shit for being full of shit regarding mass-claiming. You were all against it last Day now suddenly a lightbulb goes off and "Oh, let's mass-claim." Ignoring me on this is not going to help you one bit.

[Random Nurse]

we also have half the players who are already claimed now

let's do the other half

And that's still full of shit.

We should have mass-claimed yesterday. We'd have more claims and Scum would be locked into their claims.

[Random Nurse]

(1) Can you please chill out a bit Nurse, you're making it hard for me to keep interacting with you in a pleasant manner

(2) i still think massclaiming yesterday wasn't the right move but also what's done is done, unless you think it's AI for me (3) i'd prefer to stop discussing it

(1) You think that's not the point?

(2) You're right it is done, and now you have to deal with the consequences. We should have mass-claimed sooner. You acted as if mass-claiming yesterday was the same as jumping into radioactive waste, yet now with two more people gone now you're suddenly "OK" with it.

(3) That's not how this game works. I don't think you appreciate how restrained I've been thus far. And look at you two still alive. Just fascinating.

[Random Nurse]

we also have half the players who are already claimed now

let's do the other half

And that's still full of shit.

We should have mass-claimed yesterday. We'd have more claims and Scum would be locked into their claims.

This is me genuinely asking, as I'm still relearning the game again - last time in a game we massclaimed the day before ELo (which would potentially be today i think?).
Is this not the optimal time to mass claim? Why would it have been more beneficial yesterday than today? Are scum not also locked into their claims if we claim today?

Why were you so against it yesterday?

It would have been better to massclaim earlier because we'd have more information, and Scum would have less wiggle room to squirm away.

[Random Nurse]

Enchant should be familiar with Normal Guidelines right?

What do you mean?

[Random Nurse]

Not talking to Nurse anymore

As Scum you would do this to avoid scrutiny and responsibility.

Silence will not help you I promise you that.

[Random Nurse]

Not talking to Nurse anymore

As Scum you would do this to avoid scrutiny and responsibility.

Silence will not help you I promise you that.

As a mafia player i'm doing this cause you're oversteping the line and i do not wish to play with someone who thinks willingly creating a toxic game environnement is an acceptable practice

You think me trying to get reactions out of a player is toxic instead of Scumhunting? This game is built on getting reactions out if players—it doesn't matter if YOU think it's toxic or not because you're losing your cool.

[Random Nurse]

Ahh, ok.

Then RN? No sense in the masons who both claimed Mason claiming again.

Ah, I can feel it in my knee. Storms a comin'. Random nurse will be here any moment to shit post about the word mason.

Ahh, ok.

Then RN? No sense in the masons who both claimed Mason claiming again.

Town Informed Neighbours* before RN asks us to clarify if we are masons again or not.

Good. I shouldn't have to keep reminding people on this.

can't wait for RN to still say we could be scum

It means... you can be, theoretically, two scum neighbours Gambiting. It doesn't find it likely but...

Except you absolutely can. It's not outside the realm of possibility. A Town Vengeful Neoghbor, a bunch of VTs, and 2 Town-Informed Neighbors? Don't get mad at me for suspecting you both—blame the setup. I'm sure if it were me in that position and it was truly what you say it is I'd be fending off Town paranoia too.

[Random Nurse]

And again, FTR, I am a VT.

[Random Nurse]

Or both of you are Scum.

On what planet does this massclaim automatically 100% clear you?

[Random Nurse]

12:3 makes no sense. You could just run 10:3.

Maybe Enchant really is Traitor?

[Random Nurse]

Enchant, are you actually a Traitor?

If Enchant flips Traitor then the other two must be flipped.

[Random Nurse]

rn why did you push for the massclaim if you weren’t going to use the info to calibrate your reads at all

For one the way you asked this just strikes me as manipulative. If you're Town watch how you phrase your questions.

For two I don't *DO* readslists. I just wanted to know who claimed what. I don't have to be bent on using the info to update a readslist I don't do in order to want a massclaim.

[Random Nurse]

This game is depressing.

Gut is telling me it's Thomith/Gypyx but no one really wants to listen.

Mod, I'll be V/LA until Thursday morning.

[Random Nurse]

um enchant could you just like read the thread and tell us who you think is scum pretty please

LYCAN LITERALLY SCUMSLIPPED FFSSF

Quote it?

[Random Nurse]

ive seen a few actual scumslips, even kind of recently! usually they were signs that someone was lying about why they "scumread" someone. alas even town can do those. looking at you lycanfire

You just sound butthurt that I pushed you yesterday

To be frank this does slightly feel like SvS.

[Random Nurse]

ok but if it's svs can i bus lycanfire instead of vice versa

It doesn't really matter so long as you two die.

Assuming you're both Scum of course.

[Random Nurse]

It feels like Psyche is trying real hard to direct suspicion to others. Anyone else feel this way? #2791 is pinging my gut.

[Random Nurse]

not saying they're scum just like, the sus isn't too warranted

also enchant latching so hard onto Lycan's perceived "slip" gives me big scum vibes

I just remind that next day is elo and RM (who probably just town) hates your guts.


So i suggest you to VERY CAREFULLY pick alies this game day.

Wait what? elo already? How many of us are there?

I assuming we do have 4 mafs.

Are you presuming on of them must be a Traitor?

If not I don't see how that would be balanced.

[Random Nurse]

well, uh, next day *probably* isn't ELo given that we've established the setup should be 12:3

What are your thoughts on it possibly being 11:4 if one of them is a Traitor?

[Random Nurse]

Yes this is why I've done literally nothing for a day out of the chance random nurse came in and called bullshit on their own.

Call bullshit on whom? You?

[Random Nurse]

Would appreciate it if people put votes or foses down

Dont care about cases your gut will do

Oh, that's nice to hear.

[Random Nurse]

Always knew you didn't have the guts

Well that's

one

way to poke the bear.

[Random Nurse]

Who's open for a psych lim today?

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Psyche

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: Lycan

[Random Nurse]

Geraintm, thoughts on joining a Lycan wagon?

[Random Nurse]

This game kind of pisses me off.

USUALLY I can kind of sense who the Scums are, and I slowly start homing in on them. This go around I'm still not catching any slight signals. Usually there's a trace tell that catches my gut radar, but my gut just isn't catching anything. Still wouldn't surprise me if Thomith/Gypyx were Mafia Neighbors like Ranger, but no one wants to pull on that thread. Excluding those two I can't really sense who the Scum are, so they're playing much better than the usual Scum I've caught.

[Random Nurse]

31 hours to deadline

I never would’ve believed this if you told me day 1, but I think you’re one of my strongest townreads now lol

What do you think is the best course of action at this point? I feel like if you, Gypyx and Thom are all on the same page, I’ll feel really good about our decision. If not, I’ll have to see what feels best.

There's two ways forward
1) we find scum
2) we can agree to townread 7 people and do this coalition style.

There's problems with option 2. For starters, we need very good reasons to believe each person is town. It can't just be a feeling. Each person needs to have been decided through setup and play to be unlikely to be scum. The other problem is that if we can decide on 7 towns, that means we should know who is scum, and we should be able to then pick them apart. This should bring us back to path #1.

Finding scum is ideal but I can’t confidently say I know which 7 players are town. I’m confident in 4 including myself. You say we need reasons why everyone is town, do we start making a list? And what exactly do you mean through “setup”, I get play but not sure on setup on determining what is unlikely.

And just one final piece of paranoia - are we certain it’s only 2 scum we are looking for? I’ve been kinda assuming it’s only 2 left but I’ll never fully feel like I know for sure unless we flip 2 scum and win. I won’t dwell on it though, I guess we just cross that bridge if we come to it.

I kind of think 11:4 is too much, and people balled when I discussed it and made up lies about me saying it was 10:5.

It wouldn't surprise me if it was 11:4, and I'm kind of hoping that's not the case.

[Random Nurse]

*balked

[Random Nurse]

Do you Scumread me at all Gypyx?

[Random Nurse]

Because it seems like you haven't and that unnerved me because multiple times in the past Scum have tried to pocket me by saying they don't suspect me, and then I catch them late-game. Like they keep trying to get in my blind-spot.

[Random Nurse]

Sure, he can be snippy all he wants and I can excuse that as personality. He's had far too long to sync up with the town and consistently fails to do so.

thomith never truly derailed ranger for snow. gypyx is town from d2 and if gypyx is town, thomith is town. i know this is necessary set up to escape poe but i don't think this endgame is happening for you

Seems like someone with an agenda.

This random nurse works over 60 hours a week.

If you have a problem with that I'll be happy to tear you apart.

[Random Nurse]

Congratulations you offended yourself.

[Random Nurse]

VOTE: geraintm

[Random Nurse]

Not sure if this is Scum but I want it flipped regardless. I hate the my gut isn't sensing anything recently, which is right about when I started on SQ Ozempic... Interesting...

[Random Nurse]

That should be a hammer

Thoughts on the fake hammer by Oblivion?

Are you certain it's a fake hammer?

[Random Nurse]

I don't sense Kay being Scum this game.

She seems more invested in finding Scum.

[Random Nurse]

Well, thus is interesting.

Gypyx confTown.

[Random Nurse]

*this

[Random Nurse]

It's kinda funny. Scum were probably in their bunker laughing at how stupid they think RN is, but I've now helped take out 2 of them.

I still suspect there *could* be 2 left, but hopefully it's just 1.

[Random Nurse]

It's kinda funny. Scum were probably in their bunker laughing at how stupid they think RN is, but I've now helped take out 2 of them.

I still suspect there *could* be 2 left, but hopefully it's just 1.

You are so bad for my paranoia lol

You SHOULD be paranoid.

[Random Nurse]

People with serious faces say "now gypix conftown" is like something which sends me in laughter, yet no one wonders why out of pair mafia killed thomith first.

It's not like we knew beforehand they were Town.

[Random Nurse]

Triangulating Ranger and Geraintm should help narrow down the (hopefully) last Scum.

[Random Nurse]

Triangulating Ranger and Geraintm should help narrow down the (hopefully) last Scum.

How do we go about doing it? I’m happy to reread to try to find useful information but I might need to be directed on what specifically to look for. Am I looking at their interactions with each other or both of them with each player left? Or is it about voting history?

...

I'll get back to this later.

[Random Nurse]

People with serious faces say "now gypix conftown" is like something which sends me in laughter, yet no one wonders why out of pair mafia killed thomith first.

It's not like we knew beforehand they were Town.

Pffftfth hhahahahahahha

We didn't. Laughing is only making you look bad.

[Random Nurse]

Triangulating Ranger and Geraintm should help narrow down the (hopefully) last Scum.

How do we go about doing it? I’m happy to reread to try to find useful information but I might need to be directed on what specifically to look for. Am I looking at their interactions with each other or both of them with each player left? Or is it about voting history?

I don't know. Go read their ISOs.

I'm at work and can't do all that right now.

[Random Nurse]

That being said - do you have updated reads now that Gypyx is clear? Any ideas on who might’ve been teamed with gera/Dave-Ranger?

I don't do reads or reads lists, especially when asked. Not my playstyle.

[Random Nurse]

We need to decide if we're working with 1 or 2 remaining Scum.

[Random Nurse]

Who here is open to an Enchant wagon?

Scum Enchant is dangerous. The last Normal I was Scum in I replaced out, Enchant replaced in, our other 2 teammates fell, and he carried the game for the win. Enchant knows what he's doing, in spite of the silly antics he's had this game.

[Random Nurse]

Who here is open to an Enchant wagon?

Scum Enchant is dangerous. The last Normal I was Scum in I replaced out, Enchant replaced in, our other 2 teammates fell, and he carried the game for the win. Enchant knows what he's doing, in spite of the silly antics he's had this game.

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[Random Nurse]

Yeah, VOTE: Lycanfire.

[Random Nurse]

I don't like this opportunistic shift by Lycanfire.

He's either Town going down the wrong path or Scum trying to get a mislim.

I am a bit amused by all the little things he's trying to present as being dubious/suspicious. It doesn't sound like he knows my meta one bit, and anyone who's played with me as Town (and knows my persistent irksomeness as Town) knows this isn't my Scum meta.

Yeah I was wrong about Thomith and Gypyx but I'm allowed to be, and as Town you'd be stupid to be like "oh yeah, I'll take your word for it." Of COURSE the game is set uo that way to make your paranoid about those two roles in the game.

[Random Nurse]

I wither like an ice cube in the desert as Scum. I can't for the life of me feign ignorance when cursed with insider information.

As Town? As Town I go in both guns blazing.

[Random Nurse]

It doesn't sound like he knows my meta one bit, and anyone who's played with me as Town (and knows my persistent irksomeness as Town) knows this isn't my Scum meta.

If you know your own meta what exactly stops you from imitating it as mafia?

Because I simply can't. I can't act.

As Town I don't know who the fuck anyone is. There's no acting there.

As Scum you already know who is what unless it's multiball, and I can't fake "not knowing" when I DO know.

[Random Nurse]

i dont think you get how bad it gets
in my last game, he was IC so there was no chance he was scum the whole time
guy was repeatedly scumreading -- in his batman voice tone -- literally confirmed town in phase after phase
rest of town literally planned our play around the possibility that he might survive to vote this slot in MELO

Just saw this now. This is referring to me? Lol.

Refresh my memory. As IC (and BULLETPROOF IIRC), I still didn't know who the fuck was what, so yeah I'm going to be paranoid AF and Scumread most everyone, and then be PARANOID of the Scumreads I scumread the LEAST.

[Random Nurse]

Yeah you're pretty obvious that's for sure

Obviously Town.

Doesn't sound like you know my meta one bit, LF.

I think, if you were a wise man, you'd ask input from everyone else here and their history with my Towngame first, and then weigh that.

Remember, being Town doesn't mean you're always right on things. It's usually the opposite. Town is usually wrong, like I was on Thomith and Gypyx, because we don't KNOW anything regarding gamestate. Explain to me how me being wrong about Thomith and Gypyx means I'm Scum. Can't I just be wrong and Town? Obviously as Town I go barking up a lot of trees, and it'd be pretty crazy if I was always right about things as Town.

[Random Nurse]

can't wait to see what the ranger and geraint triangulation say about *checks watch* random nurse's meta

Hey, quick question—what do you know about my meta?

[Random Nurse]

You have my full attention now.

[Random Nurse]

I can tell you right now trying to Scum-paint me for being wrong on an important facet of the game will not end well for you.

[Random Nurse]

sure:

being SO wrong on thomith and gypyx when ranger is busy hanging herself is scummy

coincidentally selling the same narrative as ranger and geraintm is scummy

continuing to be SO wrong on thomith and gypyx because they're rewarding you with townreads for it is scummy

being so wrong up until they're killed at this point is a self-parody at best

let's not pretend this is all that is scummy about you: pushing the same not-eliminating-in-hood narrative as geraintm, forgetting your SR on geraintm between d3-d4, accusing me when i suggested you should have called geraintm's statement as being false when he said you had a good push on ranger, blank voting me because why not, wagoning gypyx with geraintm, wagoning me with geraintm, fake anger tellx2. fake anger 1: "convenient scapegoat if ranger flips town" comment d2 when you didn't do shit to push ranger. fake anger tell 2: echoing kay's feelings d4 by saying the game is "pissing you off" because there's no scum signals.... what about geraintm or myself, or whatever your "paranoia" has.

If I were Scum wouldn't it just make more sense to just blend in and agree that they're both Town and just go along with it while killing them at night?

[Random Nurse]

If I were Scum why even bother going on a rumble against those two for such a long time?

If I'm Scum I'm not looking to shake things up and fight with people.

[Random Nurse]

I don't like this opportunistic shift by Lycanfire.

this is so unexpected and scandalous

He's either Town going down the wrong path or Scum trying to get a mislim.

this or that comment. you read this and you agree with one of the scenarios.

I am a bit amused by all the little things he's trying to present as being dubious/suspicious. It doesn't sound like he knows my meta one bit, and anyone who's played with me as Town (and knows my persistent irksomeness as Town) knows this isn't my Scum meta.

everything i do that is scummy is small and insignificant. any reason i give to be town is overwhelming.

Yeah I was wrong about Thomith and Gypyx but I'm allowed to be, and as Town you'd be stupid to be like "oh yeah, I'll take your word for it." Of COURSE the game is set uo that way to make your paranoid about those two roles in the game.

minimizing the case to right about thomith/gypyx | wrong about thomith/gypyx. when aspects such as timing, collusion, wilful ignorance of more pressing tells took place

you're just sitting here making manipulating statement after manipulating statement

Triangulating Ranger and Geraintm should help narrow down the (hopefully) last Scum.

can't wait to see what the ranger and geraint triangulation say about *checks watch* random nurse's meta

Hey, quick question—what do you know about my meta?

any opportunity to do so works for you. so slimy.

If anyone's being manipulative it's you reaching at various cherries trying to turn them into cases where nothing is there.

You don't know my meta, and you don't know whose tail you're pulling on. This is Town Wake. I will eat your face off in battle.

[Random Nurse]

Meh, we've played. Probably just on my alt. Don't see how you can't be scum.

Are you joking?

Of course there's always the possibility but no, if you actually read my meta hx, I am not Scum.

[Random Nurse]

there's really a non-negligible i bussed gera?

What do you mean?

why can't you townread me even after the gera flip?

...

You want her to Townread you for the Gera flip?

[Random Nurse]

Enchant replaced Titus, correct?

Ranger put geraintm at the bottom of her reads list, and Titus at the top. Is it meaningful/possible that Ranger could/would put both teammates on opposite ends of her list?

[Random Nurse]

Oblivion, why do you think RN town?

It wonders why after it failed on its hammer yesterday and Gypyx was ready to kill it, RN hammered before other slots could remove their vote and change the kill to it.

Geraintm was gonna go no matter what. Doesn't matter if it was yesterday or today.

If I was Scum I wouldn't be hammering geraintm, especially when already down a teammate.

Did you respond to my prior point about why I'd be picking fights with Thomith/Gypyx over their alignment as Scum?

[Random Nurse]

Hold on a minute.

Someone made a point here earlier that I wasn't on the successful Ranger wagon?

I was on both Ranger's and geraintm's final lims.

If I was Scum why would I ensure both of them were eliminated? Makes no sense.

[Random Nurse]

If I were Scum wouldn't it just make more sense to just blend in and agree that they're both Town and just go along with it while killing them at night?

Easier yes. My point is that this was a d2 distraction and your focus didn't line up with your vote. Your continued SR of the homies is very easily explained by how Gypyx kept townreading you, plus, you shouldn't have known they were informed until mid-late d3.

If you're Town you

really

need to work on how you phrase things.

What exactly was a Day 2 distraction to

you

?

What do you mean my focus didn't line up with my vote?

What do you mean by the last sentence? Initially I didn't trust them because they kept Townreading each other so much, like no paranoia or doubt at all like normal Townies should, so that was a red flag from the start. And then later they mentioned the Mason/Informed Townies part that I was wrangling with. Are you Scumreading me because I was paranoid and trying to figure those two out?

[Random Nurse]

You voted Davesaz, you didn't vote Ranger. Really epic vote park

2.FINAL

Votecount 2.FINAL

Ranger (EXECUTED): Random Nurse, Titus, Oblivion, PenguinPower, Lycanfire, Thomith, Gypyx
PenguinPower (2): KayJayQueue, Hu Tao
Gypyx (2): geraintm, Naerys
Hu Tao (1): Ranger
Thomith (1): Snow2697

With 13 players alive, it took 7 votes to secure an execution.

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

Just saying everyone alive right now has eliminated scum at least once. Kay and Gypyx only once.

...

...do you see where I was the first vote on Ranger and stayed there the whole freaking time until she was eliminated?

[Random Nurse]

You voted Davesaz, you didn't vote Ranger. Really epic vote park

2.FINAL

Votecount 2.FINAL

Ranger (EXECUTED):

Random Nurse

, Titus, Oblivion, PenguinPower, Lycanfire, Thomith, Gypyx
PenguinPower (2): KayJayQueue, Hu Tao
Gypyx (2): geraintm, Naerys
Hu Tao (1): Ranger
Thomith (1): Snow2697

With 13 players alive, it took 7 votes to secure an execution.

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

Just saying everyone alive right now has eliminated scum at least once. Kay and Gypyx only once.

...

...do you see where I was the first vote on Ranger and stayed there the whole freaking time until she was eliminated?

[Random Nurse]

Dude, you voted Davesaz and vote parked the slot for the entirety of the day and did fuck all. Is this the "good push" geraintm was talking about?

Do you see the bolded yellow vote?

[Random Nurse]

2.FINAL

Votecount 2.FINAL

Ranger (EXECUTED):

Random Nurse

, Titus, Oblivion, PenguinPower, Lycanfire, Thomith, Gypyx
PenguinPower (2): KayJayQueue, Hu Tao
Gypyx (2): geraintm, Naerys
Hu Tao (1): Ranger
Thomith (1): Snow2697

With 13 players alive, it took 7 votes to secure an execution.

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

4.FINAL

Votecount 4.FINAL

geraintm (EXECUTED): Lycanfire, Psyche, KayJayQueue, Oblivion,

Random Nurse

Lycanfire (1): geraintm
KayJayQueue (1): Enchant
Oblivion (1): Gypyx

Not Voting (1): Thomith

With 9 players alive, it took 5 votes to secure an execution.

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

[Random Nurse]

I executed both ranger and geraintm.

[Random Nurse]

Yes, Ranger replaced Davesaz. We both know, especially after you went out of your way to let Hu Tao know you were keen on sheeping them, and you corrected yourself that you were already voting her within a minute. Stop acting ignorant.

I don't like this.

You're trying to find every reason to twist my words and shade me. Not cool.

[Random Nurse]

Enchant, are you open to limmin Lycan today?

Based on Lycan continues to twist my words/actions I'm starting to suspect more and more they are Scum.

[Random Nurse]

Enchant, Psyche, Oblivion, Kay:

Does it make sense that I would eliminate both of my partners and also pick a prolonged fight with Thomith and Gypyx as Scum?

[Random Nurse]

ah. but perhaps to ask if it makes sense is the wrong question

What do you propose instead?

[Random Nurse]

It may have been missed in your read through Enchant, but Oblivion got frustrated with Gypyx/Thomith dominating the thread d3 and not being listened to.

And in your mind does that make it Scum as well?

[Random Nurse]

ah. but perhaps to ask if it makes sense is the wrong question

What do you propose instead?

to get a correct read on one such as yourself,
it could be a mistake to reason based on what makes sense
this is because our reasoning outcomes tend to diverge
for example, we diverged on the gypyx/thomith being locktown thing

if you were scum, you'd probably diverge from me about when it might be a good time to bus and component judgments
like whether a slot is likely to be limmed, like whether you're sufficiently distanced from this or that player, and so on

so reasoning about your play based on my own judgments about what makes sense in these situations could lead me to wrong reads!

What is your current read on me?

You've played with me multiple times before.

[Random Nurse]

ey ey ey RN
i think LF is town
won't you trust me on this?
if you did pretend to trust me on this, who would you vote for instead, in that pretend moment?

I don't get the sense he's Town because he's subverting the meaning behind my actions. If you're Town if you're not sure why someone did something you should ask for clarification first, instead if telling someone what they're doing.

I'm also paranoid of everyone else here, including you. I do think Kay needs to step up and contribute more.

[Random Nurse]

I'm also hoping there's only 1 left instead of there being 2 playing the "distract and deceive" game.

[Random Nurse]

see this is so interesting
i feel like ive been thoroughly unambiguous about my read on you

Remind me again because multiple times you've mentioned being OK with my mis-lim today.

[Random Nurse]

Right.

[Random Nurse]

haha yeah
i think you're town!
the whole thing about being ok w mislimming you was just fantasizing about effort minimization i suppose

I didn't townread you. It was joke.


I only townread myself. Gypix is Serial Killer bet.

He was talking to me, Brotato.

[Random Nurse]

I'm down for an Enchant Shake and Bake.

[Random Nurse]

oooh link me that RN scum game

I basically imploded that game.

Gypyx's mini Normal.

[Random Nurse]

Hm.

Starting ti Townread Psyche and Kay more. Maybe Psych is just difficult Town Psych. Would like to see Kay engage more, still.

[Random Nurse]

Gut's still pinging as if there's 2 left, not 1.

Just a really subtle feeling I can't describe too well at the moment.

[Random Nurse]

Gut's still pinging as if there's 2 left, not 1.

Just a really subtle feeling I can't describe too well at the moment.

If there’s two people still paired, does anyone jump out at you as possibly operating with a partner?

Ugh I hate this timeline if there’s actually 2. I’m going to not let it be my main focus. I’m just trying to find the last one. If the game continues after that, well then I guess I can panic.

I don't know. I just get the sense there's 2 left.

If I'm wrong, great, but if I'm right it's good to be ready.

[Random Nurse]

*throws in log for the Enchant bonfire*

[Random Nurse]

Do what now?

[Random Nurse]

Someone's confident there's only 1 left.

[Random Nurse]

I'm open to either Lycan or Enchant today.

[Random Nurse]

I'm open to either Lycan or Enchant today.

I would prefer Enchant between those two. I really don’t see the case for scum!Lycan at this point in the game, but I’m open to listening to other opinions or reasonings.

I might have a slightly narrowed perspective based off how I

feel

about how people are playing rather than what their actions could indicate. I’m really trying to catch something that would help me with PoE but I am finding this game extremely difficult. I was wrong about gera, I really didn’t see the scumminess and I only voted him because I was the other option. The only thing I was confidently right about was naerys as town and I don’t think that really does much for me when I’m trying to find the last scum. (hopefully not 2)

Him distorting my words and intentions is a case to me. Not attempting to understand my meta is another point.

[Random Nurse]

I will freely admit, as well as the "Don't you DARE fuck with me" attitude, I also have a general distain for the "I just don't

do

readlists, Darling; especially when asked for by the

commonfolk

, eww" approach as well.

Combine the two into one persona, and it's more than possible that is clouding my read.

You must be new.

[Random Nurse]

i think the last scum is in kay / enchant / lycan, i can vote either of the 3

I agree with this, but I'm thinking one of the last 2. Enchant hasn't tried to twist my words and actions unlike Lycan, which to me means quite a bit.

[Random Nurse]

i think the last scum is in kay / enchant / lycan, i can vote either of the 3

I agree with this, but I'm thinking one of the last 2. Enchant hasn't tried to twist my words and actions unlike Lycan, which to me means quite a bit.

[Random Nurse]

*sigh*

*adds a log to Lycan bonfire*

[Random Nurse]

Yeah, so Lycan is either Scum or tunneled Town.

I can't actively engage when I'm at work.

[Random Nurse]

Hey Random Nurse, who's scum?

That's not a fair question, but I guess I can't expect that from you.

If I knew who Scum were I would be focused in on those 1-2 players.

[Random Nurse]

You've had a week since your post suggesting we look at Ranger and Geraintm's content

It's a fair question

Don't change the context. You asked me who's Scum—I answered.

And for the record I play as I want to play, and if I can, not how YOU want me to. I'm not on YOUR fucking clock. I worked 8 12-hour shifts in a row, had one day off to get my lawn chores done, and am working again for a stretch. I DON'T HAVE TIME to rip open this game and comb through flipped Scum's posts. That doesn't make me SCUM. It only PISSES ME OFF when you try to push me to put more time into this game when I can't. I play as I can, and as I want.

[Random Nurse]

Frankly I can be right about your align and your job can also keep you away from the game.

And in this case you're wrong, you're barking up the wrong tree, and you will look rather stupid if you persuade the rest to mis-lim me today.

[Random Nurse]

The problem is that I don't think I'm wrong.

I have the least confidence in you Enchant, but I have good reasons for all my townreads and my scumread.

Winning today matters to me. Going to another day invites dysfunction.

If you have the least confidence in Enchant wouldn't your vote reflect that?

Inconsistency reads to me as Scummy.

[Random Nurse]

im still kind of inclined to give LF this one so we can get him on the right track going forward
could maybe call it a little reward for actually trying

If you're Town it would be the wrong move. This is my Town meta and there is literally no good reason to be trying to mis-lim me unless you're Scum. LF has done nothing but take my words and actions and twist them.

[Random Nurse]

alas
it is not my life to give

If you're Town you should be concerned about Town being mis-limmed, Psyche.

[Random Nurse]

LF has done nothing but take my words and actions and twist them.

I mean...I've seen you do that straight back on this very page. I have been inclined to give you both benefit of the doubt that when it's aimed you, you are most likely to take the least charitable interpretation of the meaning.

Is it not the tiniest bit possible you could be in a TvT shitfest here?

It could be TvT here, but he's completely tunneled, doesn't understand my meta one bit, and doesn't realize how crazy busy I am in real life.

[Random Nurse]

rn uses the "im crazy business in real life" line as scum too though :*(

Town Wake is active when able and fights players when it would be far easier as Scum to just go along to get along.

[Random Nurse]

you don't have to convince me rnny. im totally pocketed. but can you place a better vote than lf? he's difficult but he's family

From my position he's either tunneled wrong-Town or Scum trying and trying to get me mis-limmed. If he's successful you'll understand why I'm annoyed currently—I'm clearly Town and he keeps trying to find any angle he can to paint me as Scum, and I wish people had keeper senses to see through this bullshit.

If you're Town you don't keep twisting what people say or do. In fact you don't do that at all if you're Town.

[Random Nurse]

Kay's wagon feels too easy.

Not sold on them being Scum.

[Random Nurse]

Or maybe it's a red flag that she seems squeaky clean to me.

[Random Nurse]

Do I or don't I?