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VOTE: Sly
let's roll. I've still got my eye on you Mastin. A few others too (DG iirc)
may post a 'from what I recall' post later if I have the time.
It's good to be back though ^^1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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I bold stuff all the time, amigo. Am I the third mafiosi?
No-one can really comment on BB yet. He's right to be confused. He read zilch of the game beforehand. I think a townie would be just as paranoid at having zero information
and Mastin you can't dismiss as scum either. He always plays this sorta mind-bending game. He's not for D1 lynch at the very least I've come to accept.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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Let it be, BB. If he truly believes you to be scum you'll hardly be able to convince him now will you?
I've already said I don't see too much logic in it myself anyways. Chkflip is a good player though from what I remember of our only previous game so It would be wrong of me not to let him him have his opinion.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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I really want to make a catchup post at this point; if not to only feel like I'm doing something, but I just can't find much to say.
@mod: can the Op be updated to say who replaced who? Ty
My thoughts from before are still the same. Andy, Nacho, pine, Queen, PM, and Oversoul still site on my very town pile.
Others like BL and mastin aren't as town for one reason or another, but certainly shouldn't be lynched today.
Everyone else was overall null with slight suspicions on DG and sly. Perhaps Kise too my head tells me, though I can't honesty recall why.
There isn't much I can say at this point. We need momentum.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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In post 101, T-Bone wrote:The OP is up to date.
yah, but It'd be swish if it said who replaced who...1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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In post 104, T-Bone wrote:Since neither Alex nor Elmo posted in this thread, it's unnecessary.
it helps me remember who they were in the previosu thread though that got deleted
I may have had thoughts on elmo/alex and with no indication on who they were replaced by in the OP that doesn't help me much, does it?1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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Lowell is a boring vote. I won't say it's wrong though; just boring.
Why flip from sly at the first hint of a new wagon though, Mastin? Bandwagon much?
@DG: did you crumb cop? I believe your claim, but a crumb would be an added bonus.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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Dude, you just don't vote a climaed cop
DG is certainly not for lynch today
I think DG did what was necessary. We had no momentum in the game. Sure, it was a little extreme, but we were going nowhere and we needed something. I think it worked well, for now we see that you're a little too lynch-happy for the claimed cop.
I would certainly not have done it, but DG is not me and I can certainly see town motivation ehind it.
Voting the claimed cop I cannot, amigo
In post 129, chkflip wrote:I really want to vote BBmolla again, this is just ridiculous.
"HEY GUIEZ I GAINS TOWN CRED BY ASKING WHY WAGONS BECOME WAGONS YEAH?"
Fucking. Heinous.
Or it was a genuine question...
Are you a BB lyncher or something Chk?1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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well no-one is stopping you from voting him.
Can you tell me why you're voting Lowell when all you've seen from him is his one post in this thread which says:
In post 84, Lowell wrote:Didn't know we'd started. will catch up.
I'd rather you were voting a scumread of yours, which I don't agree with, rather than another vote only to sheep because from that one post I just don't see how you can decide Lowell is today's lynch?1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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In post 142, chkflip wrote:What you're trying to get me to do right now is debunk a very viable wagon.
And you judged this wagon viable from one contentless post?
In post 142, chkflip wrote:
I'm not trying to no-lynch. And "didn't know we started" is classic scum lurking. He could be town, sure, but someone that behind that still hasn't posted? We're better off without him.
I never claimed you were trying to no-lynch nor that no-lynching would be beneficial here. :/
That last sentence sounds like you're trying to justify a townie lynch already. Ugh... Really doesn't rest well with me amigo...1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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In post 146, chkflip wrote:I'm only talking like that because you're trying to push me to "vote one of my scumreads" when that's precisely what I'm doing. And you really can't say you're not, the connotation and decorum in 139 AND 141.
But thanks for making this conversation go on longer than it needed to.
This conversation will last as long as it needs to. Conversation is probably the least harmful thing the town can have.
The short of it is that after one post I, in your shoes, would certainly not be able to judge lowell as a scumread and lynchworthy after his one meagre post.
If Lowell flips town then I'm going to seriously suspect you tomorrow amigo after this shoddy sheeping1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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Because everyone else was in the previous thread and therefore may have a reason or at least anactualimpression of Lowell?
"They're doing it too, therefore I can as well. Lol" isn't the best thing I've heard today. Tu Quoque comes to mind.
I was really hoping I was going to hunt some mafiosi with Townflip at the start of this thread. 3/10 :<1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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@queen:
I believe his claim because it was town to claim in that instance. DG was on what? L-5?
He claimed to provide momentum and get the game flowing. Scum have no motivation for that whatsoever. DG was in no imminent danger of a lynch and as bold a move he made is too unorthodox for mafiosi in my view.
Had he crumbed cop then it'd have shown he didn't make up the claim on the spot to protect his own skin. He didn't crumb though. I find his claim perfectly fine anyways
If you don't like my word though, take Mastin's. If he truly is a cop then he'll give us info to work with after tonight to test his claim better. There's just no sense in lynching DG today.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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In post 159, mcqueen wrote:So, he could be trying to get the game rolling to get towncred, or satisfy his own boredom.
A stagnat game is a beautiful thing for scum as there is no scumhunting.
What reason would scum have to encourage discussion?
With such a bold move with high risks I can hardly see him doing it for towncred. A simple counter-claim would have him dead almost-instantly
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@PM: yes I have played with chkflip before
do I belie DG's claim? Considering he hasn't been CC'd i find it plausible, I don't think it matters though. A claimed cop is certainly not a D1 lynch. He claimed to provide momentum too and took a huge risk by revealing his role so early. Town motivation here amigo1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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In post 209, Lowell wrote:Let's get some movement. I simply do. not. trust. Andy right now.
unvote, vote andy
Trust me on this one.
Andy is one of my top town reads. If you want any chance of survival you should at least explain yourself more
Lowell has been suspect consistently, especially so in the previous thread
Whilst there have been more suspect players imho I'm happy to hammer lowell to avoid a no-lynch and actually get us some info. & ties.
I'd like a claim first though1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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before killing a player off completely it's at least courtesy to give them a direct chance to claim
I do appreciate that we are in a deadline situation though and if there's no claim in the next hour I'll hammer if everyone's cool with that (since my timezone means it's late for me here now)1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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In post 241, Nachomamma8 wrote:In post 238, Twistedspoon wrote:¦|
today we need to make sure we don't leave everything until the end of the deadline.
TS, what on earth is this?
It's not a good start, and it's not any information anyone with a brain missed.
It needed to be made; someone had to say it
I'm happy with a BB lynch though. I never was a fan of Chimera and he's done little yesterday to convince me otherwise.
His lurking at the end of yesterday and convenient pop-up today is duly noted
VOTE: BB
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This really doesn't feel like town BB to me
"but pine did this too...." just isn't the town arguments that are characteristic of the BB i've played with.
Admittedly he's had about half as much info to analyse as the rest of us, but that's no reason to keep him alve for that sake.
And his Nacho vote is a horrible omgus.... on Nacho of all people...1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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In post 290, BBmolla wrote:Like look at my town play here. That's the entire game. Does that look like my town newbie play?
I will accept that that town play there looks quite poor there with little content and such.
Then again you were playing the cop, and cops don't want to be overly town...
Hmm.
I still prefer your lynch greatly to nacho's though. BL's should be considered too though. I hardly felt any difference between he and lowell, although Lowell didn't have the incrimination of being a possible Mafiosi neighbour.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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hm?
you have never stated any suspicion of pine before, only BB, so if you could tell me what makes pine so lynch-worthy that'd be nice.
I mean this goes against a good deal of your posts
In post 202, chkflip wrote:My scum reads are simple: BB, Gant, and Lowell.I firmly believe Gant's flip will tell us the most here because of his obvious connections with Lowell and Spoon. I don't think Spoon is scum, but if Gant were to flip scum? Not so sure about it then. Spoon (and others, I think) are right about Lowell's ISO though; I still don't fucking like it, it's scummy as hell to lurk out that long but that's all I personally have against him. Maybe he's super busy or something. Much like half of the rest of this game. But that's why my vote went BBmolla => Lowell => Gant. My stronger scum-read is molla but that's not happening today.
can you tell em why pine is suddenly so suspect to you?
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Maybe...
It's just that all of Chkflip's suspects so far have flipped town (except for Bb who i think will not) and I have a feeling pine will do likewise.
I'd just like to hear justification behind his vote today. I let him play the sheep card yesterday. I was hoping he wouldn't play it twice in a row
I still think pine is town ftr. Most of it stems from the previous thread where he offered himself for the lynch assuming Bl would go down too. That made me feel he was adamant BL was mafiosi and it certainly seemed to risky a move for scum and genuine on top of that.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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In post 309, mcqueen wrote:What if it was a planned gambit? That way, they could mislynch Bunnylover, and free up the nightkill for someone else. Which, in this case, they got really lucky, and had a claimed cop to kill.
Pine had no reason to gambit so early on. Would he risk everything so early?
BL wasn't lynched and DG hadn't claimed at the time. Hardly a gambit in that event anyways1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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In post 318, chkflip wrote:Modskee: I'll just be l/a on the dates provided, I can probably post enough to not be prodded but I'll keep the v/la active for worst case scenario.
Twistedspoon, are you joking? I can't form a new scum-read? You're classier than that, stop acting so damn scummy right now.
appeal to TS?
forming a new scumread I can live with. With reasons...
And not pine anyways. Admittedly you never saw the previous thread, but All have your votes thus far (except for Bb which i agree with) have seemed sheepy sheepy to me
I don't mind sacrificing my towncred with seemingly inert questions and badgering when I think I'm getting somewhere. If I wanted to look town I'd have stopped pestering you long ago, but that's only half of the game.
In post 316, SlySly wrote:
In post 264, SlySly wrote:VOTE: Nacho
Entered game as a replacement. Immediately soft claimed as being a mason with Mastin. Had a lengthy discussion with me about how masons can't be scum in a normal game. After thread disappeared, retracted soft claim.
I don't remember any mason softclaim.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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In post 340, Oversoul wrote:In post 333, Twistedspoon wrote:well bah posts are exactly that; you can't say anything more than a 'bah'
Not really. In certain situations there is an easily breakable way to give a yes or no answer.
Bah = yes
absence = no
the wifom consequences of this would be suicidal, especially to a cop. Against the spirit of the game too
and it's not like there's a yes or no question
either way, we should pretend this line of discussion never happened. It's pointless.
The only good is that McQueen's wishful-beyond-reason thinking makes him look a little more town, if that was needed.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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It's funny when pine posts macro images. Less so when kondi does it
either way, his lynch is as valid as lowell's and his occurred...
I'm not sold at present as I'm still happy with my BB vote1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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this game really needs a nacho/mastin/PM injection
I may go back and analyse the DG & lowell wagons in light of their townflips. I may not have time though, but i feel wagon analysis would be helpful.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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In post 382, projectmatt wrote:
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your jumping on BBmolla's wagon was insanely, insanely awkward but I'll disregard that given you towntold a bit before.
I know it looked odd, but Bb lurked hard and I've already said why else I found him scum
I don't care how it looks when I'm adamant someone is mafiosi. It was hardly a wagon with only nacho on anyways.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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In my view pine is about as scummy as lowell or DG, and they certainly weren't meant to have flipped
sad that this has been pushed to a deadline day lynch again though
Oversoul appears the only one trying to get a good wagon rolling since the BB one stagnated. I might roll with that if I have to.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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If BL didn't always play a defensive game then I'd be more tempted to see BL scum.
I'm not saying she can't be, it's just that I know she plays a similar, quiet, defensive game as town.
I'm preferring a BB, sly lynch1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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In post 465, kondi2424 wrote:
- First, I want to get this straight. The neighbors are Pine, Kise, and Bunnylover, correct?
Kise is a neighbour?
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- Who replaced Alex? Because they're town. Reasoning being that the Mod refused to put their (and my) replacement on the OP, when that could be useful information for a scumbuddy.[/quote]
uh, what?
wouldn't the mod PM their scumbuddy if they were replaced? Having to check the OP seems a very crude method imho.
In post 452, Kise wrote:It's possible the doc didn't protect DG due to thinking Sly's harassment post-claim was some sort of counterclaim.
when did we get a doc?
In post 465, kondi2424 wrote:
- Seeing that multiple people are saying that chkflip is playing to his town meta, I'm going to put him as town for now.
That isn't really logical though is it? When people who's alignment you do not know make a claim like that you can't just blindly trust them. If you find him suspect then that's more than enough reason to do so. I hardly recall a difference between chkflip's town and scum playstyles anyways.
In post 465, kondi2424 wrote:
So if I had to say who was scum right now, it would be Sly, Overtoast, BB, Andy, and either mastin or Bunnylover. One of these could drop off depending on how many scum we have. I'm really feeling the Sly-Overtoast-BB team, though.
You're suggesting a mafiosi team of 5?
I feel slightly sorry for Oversoul (Overtoast? i do like that nick now actually) and andy. They were so obviously town in the previous thread it's a shame not a shred of that remains.
I can roll with the rest though (except for maybe Mastin)
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Sorry that's a bit brief. i should really put some analysis of my own up rather than comment on those of other players but I've been hard pressed for time this Easter. apologies again1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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Post coming today. I do hope so. I can't blame anyone for lynching me whilst I have a post in the making so I'll try to get one up. No excuse for my neglect of the game though.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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Okay. One thing first. This needs getting off of my chest.
Andy, are you a Miller?
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I think with Sly we risk wifoming ourselves if we look too deeply. We don't know either way if scum knew the traitor or not. Null tell..
Or at least that's how I see it. It's a shame though. If we knew for sure that scum and traitors knew each other then juicy quotes like thesewould be very indicative...
@Mod: Does the traitor role know who the scum are?
McQueen's death is also interesting I don't want to go too deep for NK analysis wifom risks, but I think ignoring clues like these altogether would be rather myopic. I just can't see why stronger, more experienced members of the town were killed from my PoV..
Hmm... with a known traitor in the setup it would've been interesting were one of the neigbours the traitoe. Not explicity town/mafiosi and not town/town either. eh.
@ Neighbours: did any developments occur in your Qt last night?
In post 526, mastin2 wrote:Hey.
Nacho:
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I have a proposal to make.
Nacho's a strong townread. Pine was iffy, but might be town. Oversoul's a weaker townread, as is TS.
...But the important factor here is that you're all to varying degrees, still townreads.
Why don't we all get together and form a voting block? 5 players working together has to be an incredibly strong combo. Between the five of us, there HAS to be SOMEONE who we can all agree is scum.
My best bet would be Bunny, since
...We've got three already, plus a fourth former (Nacho).Bunnylover - 5 (Oversoul, Pine, Mastin, Chkflip, Bunnylover)
What say you?
Voting bloc? I don't see why not. As long as the pressure group all agree...
hm? Why vote one of the more apparent townies Mastin? Please explain your PM read to me. ty
In post 578, Bunnylover wrote:Unvote, Vote SlySly
I'll switch it back later on today if its evident I'm the only plausible lynch
wow
have you ridden every wagon by now?
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In post 621, mastin2 wrote:Here we go. Yeah, I think we seriously need to rethink the ol' chkflip townread that I've had since he replaced in for Chimera (who was a weak townread barely above null).
In post 20, T-Bone wrote:Chkflip takes AlexK's old slot.
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In post 630, mastin2 wrote:
15. Chkflip <--Replaced Elmo (null-but-townlean), who replaced Yourheroeshero (no posts).
Those are the relevant replacements.
kondi replaced elmo
chkflip replaced Alex1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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In post 649, knox wrote:
Could you tell us why you think Andy is a miller? Where were you at the end of day 2?
I don't want to talk about it until my question to him is first answered.
End of D2? I was busy over Easter. I apologise greatly and recognise it has hurt my read but there is little I can do about it now and accept it as fair.
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I didn't ask fro a fullclaim >_>
so there's absolutely no reason why you'd investigate to get a guilty?
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In post 656, knox wrote:Also why did you ask andy if he was a miller?
All in due time~ (and in all honesty not too long. Probably my next couple of posts when I can bring it in.)
Analysis? I'll iso a few people and put up some reads tonight. Or at least i'll start it tonight. If it snowballs then it might be tomorrow1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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So I asked Andy if he was a Miller. Why? I recalled the tactic from a a game which I played last May about a year ago when Faraday tried a similar gambit here and here
Of course in that game Faraday wasn't a cop and nor am I in this game (which should be obvious from the DG flip). However that's the appeal of the gambit I wanted to try. Basically if a scum gets a guilty claimed on them then they have little they can do; they can either get lynched or claim miller and at least hope to delay their lynch. If I ask someone directly if they're a miller then as scum they would be quite cautious as they'd know they'd investigate as a guilty from a cop investigation so would have to claim miller were a guilty found on them. Of course it's a bluff though. If you can get a scum to claim miller without actually knowing he's a miller then the bluff is followed through and it's quite likely that a mafiosi is caught.
However the gambit is weak in this game because a cop already flipped. it'd have been easy to see through the bluff. Still, I wanted to try it as it's something which I fondly recalled from that prior game and never had the chance to do it and catch a scum yet.
Of course that doesn't mean I find Andy suspect . Far from it
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In post 661, knox wrote:In post 658, Twistedspoon wrote:So I asked Andy if he was a Miller. Why? I recalled the tactic from a a game which I played last May about a year ago when Faraday tried a similar gambit here and here
Of course in that game Faraday wasn't a cop and nor am I in this game (which should be obvious from the DG flip). However that's the appeal of the gambit I wanted to try. Basically if a scum gets a guilty claimed on them then they have little they can do; they can either get lynched or claim miller and at least hope to delay their lynch. If I ask someone directly if they're a miller then as scum they would be quite cautious as they'd know they'd investigate as a guilty from a cop investigation so would have to claim miller were a guilty found on them. Of course it's a bluff though. If you can get a scum to claim miller without actually knowing he's a miller then the bluff is followed through and it's quite likely that a mafiosi is caught.
However the gambit is weak in this game because a cop already flipped. it'd have been easy to see through the bluff. Still, I wanted to try it as it's something which I fondly recalled from that prior game and never had the chance to do it and catch a scum yet.
Of course that doesn't mean I find Andy suspect . Far from it
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Why andy?
why not?
It really didn't matter who, I just wanted to try out an old gambit I'd seen before and never got around to using.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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In post 679, knox wrote:@Twisted Spoon, well surely some part of you must have felt that Andy was scummy otherwise there would be no point to the gambit. So why did you choose Andy?
I guess he was just one of my more null reads and I wanted more info on them
If they were obvscum why waste a gambit on them and as obvtown the idea would be pointless again1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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well what do you think about it?
I view it as an amusing coincidence. He's certainly brave that he claimed vt though or perhaps he forgot his role or maybe he even realised had he claimed miller at that point it would've made his lynch inevitable and he could only hope it was a gambit.
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In post 720, projectmatt wrote:For the record, I think that Oversoul is town but I want to respond to his case to clarify and respond to his questions.
oversoul already flipped dude
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Oh, thanks for telling me the day has started this time
So frustrating to check back on this game and see I'd missed a whole cycle u_u
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