NY 170: Georgetown II (Game Over)

[Huntress]

Vote Count 3.5

Albert B. Rampage (6) - Thor665, Sotty7, inHimshallibe, Aegor, HighShroomish, Zdenek
kabooooom (3) - Albert B. Rampage, Rainbowdash, Chevre
Aegor (2) - emeraldemon, Bulbazak
Bulbazak (1) - Nero Cain

Not voting (3) - kabooooom, DisCode, Matias


With fifteen players alive, it takes eight votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Three is Tuesday, 11th March 20.00 GMT, (in (expired on 2014-03-11 20:00:00)).

Note:

Still looking for replacements for Albert B. Rampage and Matias.
Nero Cain is v/la till Friday.

[HighShroomish]

Rainbow- weakest scum read please. And why.

I have no idea what this means.

The player that I think is scum but think is scum the least or are you just asking for a town read here?

Who is the person whom you have a scun read on but less of a scum read than any of your others.

[HighShroomish]

I'm perfectly happy with a lynch on emogirl for the nonce. She seems way too overconfident.

Likes an emogirl lynch because she's overconfident, which doesn't seem to me to be a reason to lynch someone.
Long span of meh posts.

VOTE: Chevre

I haven't really followed the last 2 pages and am feeling distant from this game, I don't know why I can't get invested. Chevre's posts are scummy and I'm fine with his lynch. Hopefully we strike gold here and I'll get more motivated.

Votes chèvre but says he wasn't reading, but found chevre's post scummy... More like you just wanted to vote someone and try for a reason.

@Sotty Why don't you read any large game I'm in and see if you buy it or not.

emo's wagon shouldn't be so difficult given how her posts are desperate and grasping, there's definitely some buddies pulling the strings here.

Slandaar / emogirl / emeraldon all look scummy to me.

Garmr is town. Yessir seems town in his motivation. Tebow/Fonz not sure.

Unvote, vote Slandaar

He's been focusing on emo(kinda) but now Slandaar is his vote... Why?

OK no.

Unvote, vote emeraldemon

Yes, he posts content and we like him, but we have to shoot this one before he becomes trouble.

So you want to lynch one of the few players actually doing something. So you want to decrease productivity.
In this span he goes back to Slandaar.

...

I responded to your question but my post got caught in the simulposting. If you didn't spam the thread with one-liners, you might have seen it. Too bad for you.

Unvote Slandaar, vote emeraldemon

I'll be coming after you tomorrow.

Sooo... You UNVOTE Slandaar to vote emerald because... You're going after emerald tomorrow?

Vote: NS

The vote on me came out of nowhere and seemed like it was a calculated move.

If it seems calculated how did it come out of nowhere...
Goes to some other person then.

Unvote, vote NS

Vote: kabooooom

Two random votes with no explanation, then lurkimg, and a replace out.

[emeraldemon]

That is such a misrepresentation. I am not opposed to scumhunting. It is just that before this case, Bulba is the only freakin' player who has actually attempted to construct a case or probe anyone in any significant way. This game suffers from massive lethargy, and I do not have the energy to resurrect it by myself. It is ridiculous to claim that I am suppressing scumhunting when in fact I am just proposing a rational procedure given a game with no scumhunting in it.

You are proposing a procedure where we give up on scumhunting and spend (2? 3? how many?) more days lynching lurkers. But if you were just town with a bad idea, that wouldn't bother me. I think if you were town you would actually care about where the wagons were going, and not join all of them indiscriminately. I think if you were town you would ask people questions, try to sort us, point out things that seemed funny or strange to you.

Since I do actually want to sort you, let me ask you some questions about the scumhunting that you say doesn't exist:

1) Nero Cain thinks he found a scumslip from Bulbazak 1687. Do you agree? What's your read on Nero [Tony PF [emogirl]]?

2) You wanted Zekrom's blood, but he's been replaced by Rainbowdash. Do you still want that slot lynched? What do you think of Rainbowdash's vote?

3) ABR is replacing out, if he is replaced by an active player will that still be your #1 lynch priority?

This isn't even looking back very far, this is just stuff from the last few pages. Are you still going to claim there's no content in this game?

[Thor665]

Does him replacing out tell anything to you either way? Do you think he'd be more likely to replace out as scum (or town)?

I personally wouldn't expect ABR to tuck and run as either alignment. I think it was an honest replace out because he recognized he was hurting his team - but that can easily go either way.

I find the meta difference to be the issue with the slot.

Unvote: ABR
Vote: Aegor

Meh, townish wagon is townish. Baaaa.

[Bulbazak]

HighShroomish's case just feels so slimy to me.

[Thor665]

It's a bad case, it doesn't feel slimy to me particularly.

[Thor665]

I mean, a lot of the tells are bad, but a lot are unique and his own thing. I'd tend to expect scum to have ridden on my coattails more since I'd already done a case. The mentality feels okay to me to be a town one. I'm not town reading him for the case, but it's not a clear scum case in my opinion.

[Aegor]

You are proposing a procedure where we give up on scumhunting and spend (2? 3? how many?) more days lynching lurkers. But if you were just town with a bad idea, that wouldn't bother me. I think if you were town you would actually care about where the wagons were going, and not join all of them indiscriminately. I think if you were town you would ask people questions, try to sort us, point out things that seemed funny or strange to you.

Okay.

1) Nero Cain thinks he found a scumslip from Bulbazak 1687. Do you agree?

No. Bulba's posts were not inconsistent with each other, and I see nothing that could be interpreted as a scumslip.

What's your read on Nero [Tony PF [emogirl]]?

Null. Would not attempt to stop a lynch.

2) You wanted Zekrom's blood, but he's been replaced by Rainbowdash. Do you still want that slot lynched? What do you think of Rainbowdash's vote?

Given that Rainbow also recognizes the value of policy lynches, I love the kab vote. And my desire for Zekrom's blood was on a policy basis more than anything.

3) ABR is replacing out, if he is replaced by an active player will that still be your #1 lynch priority?

His posts are bad. A decent replacement will move me to kab.

This isn't even looking back very far, this is just stuff from the last few pages. Are you still going to claim there's no content in this game?

Yes.

[Bulbazak]

3) ABR is replacing out, if he is replaced by an active player will that still be your #1 lynch priority?

His posts are bad. A decent replacement will move me to kab.

If that is the case, why aren't you waiting for a replacement. Odds are that any replacement will allow us to get an actual read on the slot.

[Aegor]

Because his posts are so bad I do not care enough and the wagon had formed. But I will attempt to expend more energy on this black hole of a game.

VOTE: Kab

Serious vote on someone whom I find scummy. Would also (legitimately) be willing to lynch inHim, whose posts beginning with his suspicion of me are extremely flawed beyond reason for anyone experienced at all.

[inHimshallibe]

Because his posts are so bad I do not care enough and the wagon had formed. But I will attempt to expend more energy on this black hole of a game.

VOTE: Kab

Serious vote on someone whom I find scummy. Would also (legitimately) be willing to lynch inHim, whose posts beginning with his suspicion of me are extremely flawed beyond reason for anyone experienced at all.

Point them out, you've done little to address me since that point.

P.S. If you, as town, don't think there's a difference between post structure of town/scum, we certainly have differences of opinion. If you're scum, on you go.

[inHimshallibe]

HighShroomish's case just feels so slimy to me.

It reads like a forced case, not a scummy one. In particular:

Gosh damn. Chrome has crashed seven times on my phone tonight. I will have a case for ABR ASAP.

Rainbow- weakest scum read please. And why.

Is enough to tip you in that he feels "obligated" to make a case, and as such it probably was going to be pretty contrived. (Especially so, considering his newness to the site, unless I just don't know the individual from another sn.)

[Zdenek]

Mod: could you pause the deadline countdown until the player slots are filled.

[Zdenek]

We *know* that there are 3 scum from the Role PMs in the first post.

Oh. I was using the standard 1:3 ratio.

I do not like ZD's post here like at all 'cause this is the EXACT same silliness we had from Slan on d1. Could ZD be scum shadowing confirmed town? Maybe.

Its Bulb's post that makes me want Bulb blood. Here he says that he was following the 1:3 ratio and yet...

. I, for example, thought mountainous games were games where

town outnumbered scum by a larger amount than the typical 1:3 ratio

.

^^^^^^
this has me worrying about Bulb 'cause I think its fairly common knowledge that mountainous=no power but for someone that HAS played in a mountainous game this seems fairly obtuse.

yet he did not think that earlier.

vote:Bulb

Here's what I was going to say. You corrected him to point out that mountainous = no power, but really it's both no power AND town outnumber the scum by a wide margin.

Of course this could be scum-Bulba trying to fake a town-tell, but I'm not sure that I care about that now.

[Zdenek]

Yeah there are a couple of things very wrong with that statement.

Earlier you said you wanted ABR because that's where momentum was. Now its your vote that is putting him as the lead vote getter instead of kab. So why ABR over kab?

Because there is irrational resistance to his lynch without a strong defense.

You mean the entire game saying that at worst he is a good compromise lynch?

Not me.

[Zdenek]

The d2 ABR speed wagon:

Emogirl123

Nero Cain,

Thor665

,

Nobody Special

,

Zdenek

, Matias,

Aegor

,

Zekrom25

Rainbowdash
The current ABR wagon:

Thor665

, Sotty7, Inhimshallibe,

Aegor

, HighShroomish,

Zdenek

Those who joined the wagon AFTER ABR asked for replacement: Inhimshallibe,

Aegor

, HighShroomish,

Zdenek

*Players who are no longer in the game have been struck out. If they have been replaced, the current occupier of the slot has been listed beside them.
*Those who were on both the speedwagon and d2 wagon have been italicized.
*Those who are on all 3 lists have been bolded.
*It should be noted that Aegor and Zdenek were both on the ABR wagon before he requested replacement. However, where Aegor left the wagon immediately, and then rejoined when it started gaining momentum again, Zdenek left to pursue another option and then returned to it. Out of the 2, Zdenek's vote shows more conviction.

Unvote

Vote Aegor

How is the conviction that I am showing behind my vote boundary between scummy and not scummy?

[Zdenek]

HighShroomish's case just feels so slimy to me.

I think he's trying.

[Zdenek]

The thing about Aegor is that whatever case people have raised against him based on what he's been doing fits well with the opinions that he's been expressing. While I don't doubt that he could fake it as scum, it makes all of it quite null.

[Bulbazak]

How is the conviction that I am showing behind my vote boundary between scummy and not scummy?

I was looking at those who had unvoted ABR and then revoted after he had asked for replacement. With you, you had a case on the slot, which made your moving back make sense. However, Aegor jumped ship and only came back on when the wagon started gaining momentum again. That's a lot scummier.

[Zdenek]

How is the conviction that I am showing behind my vote boundary between scummy and not scummy?

I was looking at those who had unvoted ABR and then revoted after he had asked for replacement. With you, you had a case on the slot, which made your moving back make sense. However, Aegor jumped ship and only came back on when the wagon started gaining momentum again. That's a lot scummier.

Why do you think it's scummy?

[Bulbazak]

How is the conviction that I am showing behind my vote boundary between scummy and not scummy?

I was looking at those who had unvoted ABR and then revoted after he had asked for replacement. With you, you had a case on the slot, which made your moving back make sense. However, Aegor jumped ship and only came back on when the wagon started gaining momentum again. That's a lot scummier.

Why do you think it's scummy?

He gets off to look town, and then when it looks like the lynch is still on, he's like "Let's get rid of this slot that can't defend itself!". That's like prime easy mislynch served to him on a silver platter.

[Zdenek]

That only makes sense if ABR is town.

[Aegor]

Mod: could you pause the deadline countdown until the player slots are filled.

Mod, I implore you not to pause the countdown and only extend the deadline minimally, if at all.

[Aegor]

Why is inHim scummy? Have the ISO ready; these are in chronological order and I do not feel like linking the posts (there are only 46 anyway)

-Insists ABR is town several times for no reasons (ISO4, ISO8).
-ISO13 is all sorts of bad. He did not like my vote, but did not at that point ask me about it, instead voting Bulba. He justifies this using tortured and nonsensical reasoning in ISO16, in which he claims that he was scumreading Zekrom. But since he did not like

one vote

on Zekrom that he did not even bother to investigate, he votes Bulba? That makes no sense. The lack of push to acquire information about the situation is also bad.
-ISO20 is awful, as I noted.
-Says several players are town. No explanation. No explanation for his scumreads either.
-Votes ABR in ISO35 despite no trajectory (meh) and no explanation of what changed his mind (bad). Basically asks others to build his case on ABR for him in ISO37.

And I do not like his indifference to kab and his willingness to lynch Matias but unwillingness to lynch kab.