NY 170: Georgetown II (Game Over)

[inHimshallibe]

Hola.

[inHimshallibe]

Ye, I'm probably not reading until D2.

Someone give me the scoop.

[inHimshallibe]

ABR or Fonzie, tell me who da scum be. Pay you on Tuesday and all that.

[inHimshallibe]

If Brain Skies is town then he's played horribly.

Parked his vote on emogirl since page 9, then proceeded to lurk for 10 pages. When the momentum on emogirl wagon died down, came back on page 19 with 3 quote-strip-catch-up-things or whatever the fuck those were like he doesn't give a fuck about nobody, then proceeded to lurk some more. Came back when the emogirl wagon pretty much dispersed, on page 27. Realized emogirl lynch is not happening today,

gave up reading

. Came back with his thingys again, realized slandaar wagon was gaining traction, moved his vote on Slandaar

in the most natural manner possible

.

Just,

NO

Nope

Here's a scum imo.

[inHimshallibe]

Well time is short and it looks like it's either gonna be slandaar or brian skies. I could see either as scum honestly but I think I will

VOTE: Brian Skies

I'm pretty sure 101 was sarcasm, and the "important investigations" was probably just BSing, not trying to fake a breadcrum. So... that doesn't leave much.

ABR is town.

[inHimshallibe]

If Brain Skies is town then he's played horribly.

Parked his vote on emogirl since page 9, then proceeded to lurk for 10 pages. When the momentum on emogirl wagon died down, came back on page 19 with 3 quote-strip-catch-up-things or whatever the fuck those were like he doesn't give a fuck about nobody, then proceeded to lurk some more. Came back when the emogirl wagon pretty much dispersed, on page 27. Realized emogirl lynch is not happening today,

gave up reading

. Came back with his thingys again, realized slandaar wagon was gaining traction, moved his vote on Slandaar

in the most natural manner possible

.

Just,

NO

Nope

Here's a scum imo.

nah, I don't see your pants

Shhhh

He's on a roll

[inHimshallibe]

vote: emeraldemon

I prefer a Slandaar vote at deadline if this doesn't happen.

[inHimshallibe]

I do like I do for notetaking purposes.

Anyhow, yessiree that post read manufactured, forced, faked, whatever you want to use to describe it. Takes more than just that feeling to make you scum, but it's a starting point.

[inHimshallibe]

I don't think a BG would push with such conviction on Day 1. There's no advantage to being so blatantly wrong.

Albert's town imo.

[inHimshallibe]

Consider a BG's attitude for a vanilla game - you have to manage X days with your reads. Throw it in the garbage on Day 1? I think not.

[inHimshallibe]

And yes, I'm clearly aware of Albert's playstyle. Judgment stands.

[inHimshallibe]

Unvote, vote Slandaar

regardless you still voted against town

Vote: ABR

I think 9 other people did too, mang. Including your vote for Slandaar, at one point.

[inHimshallibe]

Bulbazak and Zekrom currently gut level scums.

vote: Bulbazak

[inHimshallibe]

Bulbazak and Zekrom currently gut level scums.

vote: Bulbazak

What's your read on Aegor?
Would you vote him?

He sucked up to me and I'm blind to flattery. I didn't like his Zekrom vote too much, so that is why I picked Bulba first, in case it turns out Aegor is indeed scum.

[inHimshallibe]

Oh, also, would I vote Aegor?

Not currently, but I could be convinced.

[inHimshallibe]

It is funny Thor is pushing this OG non-reader when I'm in the game. :lol:

[inHimshallibe]

It's not crap reasoning when you apply the reasoning correctly.

Gut reads: Bulbazak, Zekrom - equally scummy gut reads

I see Aegor voting Zekrom and I didn't like the way it went down, so maaaaaaaaaaybe Aegor is scum voting Zekrom, and I think that makes him (Zekrom) less likely to be scum.

OK? So, since I have something slightly stronger than gut to not vote Zekrom, I vote my other candidate. Tada.

[inHimshallibe]

First, NKs are a big mess of WIFOM, so I'm not going to use 1 kill to justify lynching anyone.

Gut read scum deflection.

[inHimshallibe]

So you agree with the assertion that the NK points to ABR being scum? Or that it points definitively to anyone being scum at this point?

I never said anything about the nightkills. I just know scum have agenda when they engage in discourse, and it pinged me that you did not want NK analysis done (on a suggestive level), thus scum.

[inHimshallibe]

@Aegor: you start off with a vote on Zekrom but finished pointing to other people, makes me hesitate in regards to you/that.

[inHimshallibe]

@Aegor: you start off with a vote on Zekrom but finished pointing to other people, makes me hesitate in regards to you/that.

If I had pointed to other people before voting zekrom, would your reaction have been different? That seems like a very tenuous reason.

Yes to the question. :shrug: to the statement.

[inHimshallibe]

Bulbazak and Zekrom currently gut level scums.

vote: Bulbazak

I kinda agree although

maybe not about Zekrom

(the smiley post irks me so he can go in here too). You have anything about bulb that is itching you in particular?

Did not like the posturing re: NK analysis.

[inHimshallibe]

I have no read on TonyPF. I probably didn't even read Bulba's case, or I forgot.

[inHimshallibe]

Garmr what do you think of emo's replacement?

I want my little emo back (shows a picture of a emo pony) but in all seriousness I don't see the effort. If it wasn't for emo's latter plays and all the content she provided to look over I would jump on this guys wagon.

Kinda contradictory, possible poor diction.

[inHimshallibe]

diction

Well i'm not known for perfect English -_- and I'm allowed to change my mind about past events as well.

Just cataloging.

[inHimshallibe]

Valentine's weekend kept me busy, will resume posting shortly.

[inHimshallibe]

Zek I have hope you can improve your game but can you take mafia seriously please.

This statement is hilarious.

I'm back fully, I hope. Been down with a sickness.

[inHimshallibe]

lol @ shroom suddenly being online as soon as I vote him.

Town here.

[inHimshallibe]

lol @ shroom suddenly being online as soon as I vote him.

so why is your pledge to join the largest wagon exempt from your apparent disdain for deadline lynches seen in 1364? So deadline lynches are bad but they are better than no lynch? I just don't get what you mean by "advocate a deadline lynch"; it's not like anyone intentionally wants to wait until the last moment and then push a sub-par lynch quickly and shoddily.

This is town as well.

[inHimshallibe]

Not voting (3) - Chevre, kabooooom, Matias

Yeah... you three need to vote.

[inHimshallibe]

vote: Nobody Special

[inHimshallibe]

@Nero
@Zdenek

I just had a pair of games back to back with ABR where I was scum and he was town both times.
He is not AtEing, he is not pulling shoddy gambits, and he is not yelling at anyone about how bad they play.
Let's vote him now.

You're also allowed to do your own research to see if you think my case holds merit.

He kinda did this with Slandaar, unless you mean to imply he'd just keep on keeping on.

[inHimshallibe]

Vote: ABR

This guy really needs to die.

Bulb is also probably scum at this point. His whole interaction with fonz/Tebow on day one was really off. Fonz pours the heat on him and at one point Bulb makes a comment about how he was barely paying attention to him when all he had done for posts before was reply in their little back and forth. Their whole interaction just really struck me as off. Throw on his weak suspicion of emo that he just keeps falling back on and we have scum.

Noted for later.

Votes one way, pushes a case the other.

[inHimshallibe]

also killing is pretty much WIFOM so fonz death=ZD kill is kinda out there.

Well, I think that the kill means that Sotty is town, so that's something.

How's that?

Scum Sotty probably leaves town Fonz alive to split the paranoia over not being NK'd as the game goes on.

WIFOM.

Nero, ABR, and HighShroomish pushing away from Fonz kill analysis, that about the gist of it?


And it's a shame about Sotty making me hesitate with that post. I'm still fine with a Bulbazak lynch.

[inHimshallibe]

Mod: This game moves too fast for me; replace me please

This may be the most unusual combination of quote and player I've had the privilege of quoting.

[inHimshallibe]

vote: Albert B Rampage

I also have to admit I feel like the pony is misrepresenting their read since they're acting like Albert is still in the game.

This referencing the "culling the useless/lurker pool" bit?

[inHimshallibe]

vote: Albert B Rampage

I also have to admit I feel like the pony is misrepresenting their read since they're acting like Albert is still in the game.

This referencing the "culling the useless/lurker pool" bit?

Inhim goes from defending ABR to attacking him upon ABR saying that he'll replace out.

inhim is scum with ABR knowing that after ABR is replaced, he'll get to put his vote anywhere while pretending to be happy with the replacement.

We should lynch one of them.

Aegor, inhim, matais are all good scum picks.

but not ABR?

kaboom lynch is acceptable - primarily because of the awkward L-1 vote on emog.

I intend to continue voting ABR's replacement... ABR Day 1 is what I defended, I didn't ask for his Days 2 & 3.

Don't really have much of an opinion on kabooooom tbh.

[inHimshallibe]

what you aren't going to try to read the slot based on the new person?

Probably not.

Thor's given credible meta to continue pressuring the replacement. You read nothing into ABR's change of play?

[inHimshallibe]

A townie response could have been anything along the lines of: I am going to evaluate the slot using whatever information I have, and if I decide that someone else is a better lynch, of course I'll move my vote.

Ah yes, that's very much like what you've said here:

I think ABR is scum. Do I think he could have been scum deciding to lurk - of course.

[inHimshallibe]

Zdenek Re: 1670 - Isn't that a Catch-22? How could he have responded to you in a way that wouldn't seem scummy?

When you think you've found scum, pride tends to get in the way.

I don't think Zdenek is necessarily scummy for pushing me here, though he's certainly wrong.

[inHimshallibe]

@Thor: anything I can do to alleviate suspicion, or are you going to keep calling my name without voting me.

[inHimshallibe]

There is some extreme apathy going on in this game.

[inHimshallibe]

For death:
Matias
kabooooom
Albert B. Rampage
Bulbazak
Rainbowdash
Aegor

Gladly just nuke the above.

[inHimshallibe]

Yes, I noticed you, Thor. Didn't have you as a good town read until rather quite recently.

[inHimshallibe]

Aegor, Matias, ABR, Bulbazak

These four names in particular I keep coming back to. Have to think there's a scum playing a "good" game though, imo. Let's get the cannon fodder out of the way first and we can sift through the pieces later.

[inHimshallibe]

Because his posts are so bad I do not care enough and the wagon had formed. But I will attempt to expend more energy on this black hole of a game.

VOTE: Kab

Serious vote on someone whom I find scummy. Would also (legitimately) be willing to lynch inHim, whose posts beginning with his suspicion of me are extremely flawed beyond reason for anyone experienced at all.

Point them out, you've done little to address me since that point.

P.S. If you, as town, don't think there's a difference between post structure of town/scum, we certainly have differences of opinion. If you're scum, on you go.

[inHimshallibe]

HighShroomish's case just feels so slimy to me.

It reads like a forced case, not a scummy one. In particular:

Gosh damn. Chrome has crashed seven times on my phone tonight. I will have a case for ABR ASAP.

Rainbow- weakest scum read please. And why.

Is enough to tip you in that he feels "obligated" to make a case, and as such it probably was going to be pretty contrived. (Especially so, considering his newness to the site, unless I just don't know the individual from another sn.)

[inHimshallibe]

The lack of push to acquire information about the situation is also bad.

I can accept this, but I will tell you I think scum have far less incentive to bus here, so if someone I don't particularly like at the moment (you) votes someone else (Zekrom), I find myself less likely to vote that person.

If there were one person I'd pick to start a new train on, it's Matias. Placement on both lynches, failed to catch up after promising to do such. kab's probably just poor town.

[inHimshallibe]

Good on you, Thor.

vote: Bulbazak

This one dies Today imo.

[inHimshallibe]

ABR's scumflip strongly suggests Bulbascum. I'll go into more detail when I don't have to clean before friends get here for the weekend.

[inHimshallibe]

Credit where credit is due imo. Thor helped me see the light, at least.

[inHimshallibe]

@Nero
@Zdenek

I just had a pair of games back to back with ABR where I was scum and he was town both times.
He is not AtEing, he is not pulling shoddy gambits, and he is not yelling at anyone about how bad they play.
Let's vote him now.

You're also allowed to do your own research to see if you think my case holds merit.

He kinda did this with Slandaar, unless you mean to imply he'd just keep on keeping on.

He kinda did this with Slandaar, unless you mean to imply he'd just keep on keeping on.

If he "kinda" did it Day 1 and failed to do anything Day 2-3 I'm not sure what you think I'm missing.

Then:

Mod: This game moves too fast for me; replace me please

This may be the most unusual combination of quote and player I've had the privilege of quoting.

And thus I realized there was a change in ABR's play, so credit to you.

[inHimshallibe]

Chevre is a good day 1 lynch. You can't just run up everybody to L-3 and then freak out when someone places that player in danger of a lynch, then choose to disintegrate that wagon and bandwagon the new player. This is mountainous, we're not going to get a game-changing claim. Instead of getting caught in a circular suspicion loop, I say we lynch Chevre.

Someone with more ABR experience - how likely is this a bus.

[inHimshallibe]

Rereading through some of Day 1 finally, the near-lynch of Chevre shows: ABR L-1 vote and subsequent call for hammer (+townpoints for Chevre, for now), Bulbazak voicing displeasure for ABR's vote (better) and yet never follows up on it (bad). ((Bulba later puts Albert on the high side of his null reads (D3) - even worse))

[inHimshallibe]

Vote Count 1.9 and a half

Chevre (9) - OhGodMyLife, Garmr, emogirl123, Maestro,

Tebow

, Sotty7, Aegor,

Nobody Special

,

Albert B. Rampage

emogirl123 (4) - Bulbazak, Brian Skies,

Maenara

, kabooooom
Garmr (2) - emeraldemon, The Goodfather

Nobody Special

(1) -

yessiree

The Goodfather (1) -

Slandaar

Not voting (2) -

Acidic_TACO

, Chevre


With nineteen players alive, it takes ten votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is Tuesday, 4th February 20.00 GMT, (in (expired on 2014-02-04 20:00:00)).

Looking at it like this, it may not be too far off that ABR was voting for a teammate. Chevre read reconsidered, for now.

[inHimshallibe]

"I ain't reading all this stuff, tell me who to vote".

My kinda guy.

(vote Bulbazak. Or Aegor, he's throwing a tantrum)

[inHimshallibe]

I want Thesp to get through his catch-up. I don't find a kabooooom vote highly inspiring (or suspecting me, for that matter ;)).

[inHimshallibe]

I'm kind of leaning Bulbazak and High Shroomish right now.

I refuse to believe I'm wrong about emeralddemon at this stage. I also think being the counter cuts kabooom from slack (even if he is playing super hard to help scum regardless of his role PM).

@Bulba - battle me with words, I want your thoughts on the gamestate.

Does anyone have thoughts on High Shroomish? I had him as a town lean earlier, I think I liked that town lean, is there a scum case on him from anyone?

I take HS as town by way of validating Zdenek's read on his townslip.

[inHimshallibe]

As in, I thought Zdenek was killed for correctly honing in on too many things.

[inHimshallibe]

Looking back through votes, Sotty gets to be town yay. She was on ABR and didn't jump to NS.

[inHimshallibe]

Vote Count 3.5

Albert B. Rampage (6) - Thor665, Sotty7, inHimshallibe, Aegor, HighShroomish, Zdenek

I like all of the above for town (yes, Aegor too), for now. Highest likelihood of bus imo is Thor, Aegor, HS, Sotty. It's a weird stance for me because I certainly think Thor is more town than Aegor, I give him more credit for being able to play this as a bussing scum, just based on his reputation as a good player.

kabooooom (3) - Albert B. Rampage, Rainbowdash, Chevre
Aegor (2) - emeraldemon, Bulbazak
Bulbazak (1) - Nero Cain

Not voting (3) - kabooooom, DisCode, Matias

Obviously I have my stance on Bulba, but I'd consider voting any of the above were we getting down to the wire.

Bulbazak
emeraldemon
Rbd
DisCode
Thesp
kab
Chevre
emogirl

Looks like my preferred order, yep.

[inHimshallibe]

Someone remind me why emerald is town. Or was it emogirl that everyone thought was town, in which case carry on.

[inHimshallibe]

Eh, emerald can be town, especially if Bulba's scum.

Thesp is worrying me, feels dodgy.

[inHimshallibe]

PJ :hey:

I need to read more into Sotty earlier in the game, maybe.

[inHimshallibe]

The only thing I find as a dig against Thor is that he pandered to others in regard to ABR's meta before actually voting that way. It's something that pinged me, but I forgave it since ABR turned out scum.

What sort of case

would

RBD push on you, eh?

Haven't read the early Sotty content, on the to-do list.

[inHimshallibe]

In reading Sotty, I find some overt defense of ABR (which I'm just as guilty of) early on, but she's one of the leading votes on ABR-scum when the dust is settled. Also like me, she changed her mind on ABR, though she doesn't have near the progression that I displayed.

Are you willing to vote with me on ABR right now?

Above is talking to Aegor, and I just don't really see where it's coming from - if I could get the context of this cleared up I'd be right by Sotty.

[inHimshallibe]

I have no reason to think kaboooom is town or scum, Thesp.

[inHimshallibe]

i dont get this. i remember thor did this too, but why are you waiting for someone else to vote. i m asking in general irrespective of my wagon.

Because he only wants to be voting the biggest wagon.

From a subset of {kabooooom, inHimshallibe, RainbowDash, Bulbazak}, absolutely.

Am I bussing Bulbazak?

[inHimshallibe]

PJ, yes, but Sotty votes for ABR in that post, so again, I give slack.

Things change when you actually vote for teh scumz.

[inHimshallibe]

Let's just do tradesies, Thor.

[inHimshallibe]

I ask because, as far as I can tell, that would mean Tradsies, like, lynch Bulba and then we can lynch Rainbow. I'll note that with this attitude from you 3 people voting Bulba have expressed willingness to lynch Rainbow.
That makes my wagon shockingly strong for having no ruddy votes on it.

It's possible I just want you to vote Bulbazak.

[inHimshallibe]

Someone come in and swoop the hammer imo.

[inHimshallibe]

:confirmed:

[inHimshallibe]

Vote Count 1.9 and a half

Chevre (9) - OhGodMyLife, Garmr,

emogirl123

, Maestro,

Tebow

, Sotty7, Aegor,

Nobody Special

,

Albert B. Rampage

emogirl123

(4) -

Bulbazak

, Brian Skies,

Maenara

, kabooooom
Garmr (2) - emeraldemon, The Goodfather

Nobody Special

(1) -

yessiree

The Goodfather (1) -

Slandaar

Not voting (2) -

Acidic_TACO

, Chevre


With nineteen players alive, it takes ten votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is Tuesday, 4th February 20.00 GMT, (in (expired on 2014-02-04 20:00:00)).

Rainbowdash
Thesp
Aegor

pj

Thor

kaboooom

HS
Sotty7
emeraldemon
inHim

My first inclination about the gamestate:

vote: Thesp

[inHimshallibe]

Whoops, didn't need the vc there.

[inHimshallibe]

pj giving a thesis on No Lynch whilst staring down his own noose and not commenting on it does NOT inspire pro-town confidence.

I'll do a bit of pondering today, hopefully have some time to chat back and forth even.

[inHimshallibe]

No lynching's dumb in this instance. With current townreads we're close to POEing this puppy.

[inHimshallibe]

Yawp.

[inHimshallibe]

emeraldemon is town imo. Feel pretty confident.

Gonna break out my crayons this afternoon.

[inHimshallibe]

kab I hope you don't take this too personally when I say I just flat-out don't understand you. Haven't for the whole game, in fact.

[inHimshallibe]

crayons = colored vote tallies, a lost art around here imo. ;)

[inHimshallibe]

I will not be replaced...
I will not be replaced...
I will not be replaced...
I will not be replaced...
I will not be replaced...
I will not be replaced...

I am suffering from heavy workload at the office which makes me want to be as far as possible from a computer when I arrive home. I have done some

actual work

on this game since last week, but I don't have time to go through my notes right now.

Self-promise to post later today, after morning/weekly reports I should not be so burdened.

[inHimshallibe]

unvote

This will probably be a vote for PJ.

I have time now. I am going to organize my thoughts.

[inHimshallibe]

I think it's down to PJ and Thor for me, really, with Thesp for peace of mind.

After rereading the first three days, I feel that Chevre/pj and Thor come across as scummiest in relation to Albert. Thor voted ABR and quickly unvoted at first opportunity on Day Two. On Day Three he waited, waited, waited to vote ABR, which I've already noted and still feel very iffy about.

Chevre/pj had this gem that I had forgotten:

This ABR wagon is creepily quick; at first glance it feels like people know something this quick probably won't be the actual lynch and so scum are bussing ABR. But that still makes him scum?

Also I don't get why people are replacing into games if they aren't going to read the game? That meta needs to stop; you aren't really being helpful if you replace in and don't read, you're just looking the part.

I'm going to look at yessiree and the end-of-day wagons a bit more in-depth later tonight.

Rounding up thoughts re: Bulbazak now.

[inHimshallibe]

Oh, I meant to list Thor's positives:

Posts like

I haven't read this game. I won't. There's too many players and too many pages.

Yeah, I felt the same way.
So, y'know, I just read the page I was on and played from there.
Of course I'm town, so...

and

HighShroomish (1) - Bulbazak
Aegor (1) - emeraldemon
inHimshallibe (1) - Zdenek
Bulbazak (1) - Nero Cain

Not voting (3) - kabooooom, Garmr, Matias

A listing of people whose votes are currently doing jack and spit.
It's a depressingly large list of people.
Let's work on this and make it a less shameful list.

@Bulb - your vote is super weak because there is literally no support there. Just move, move now.
@Emeralddemon - meh, Sotty is at work on you, carry on with that as you will.
@Zdenek - I actually agree with that read and like the vote, heck if you can get one other vote there I promise to move to support i - but you should get noisy sooner rather than later.
@Nero - replace out you useless sack.
@Kabooom - replace out you useless sack. Or , in your case, self vote.
@Whoever just replaced Garmr, I forget already - get reads and vote in play pl0x.
@Matias - are you even still in this game?

Are just overall town sounding posts, ie posts I would not expect a scum to formulate.

[inHimshallibe]

Looking for dirt in regards to Bulbazak, found the following

Everyone: Top three scumreads. Go.

TonyPF

Garmr

Aegor

I think you should push for my lynch over the other 2 if your scum reading me. You start pushing hard now and we will have our little back and forth town see's your scum and i'm town you get lynched we have a scum flip then I get night killed.

This post is pretty aggressive for a mention of suspicion that isn't even a vote.

Saying nothing about Bulba, only attacking his main opponent.





Also, Chevre goes out of the way to provide lengthy NK analysis, all to strike it from the record with:

In addition to Bulbazak's reaction, my biggest hesitance with ABR is that yessiree NK is like a giant glowing neon sign saying "ABR IS SCUM YOU SHOULD LYNCH HIM!!!!"

vote: petroleumjelly

[inHimshallibe]

That's some pretty pithy work for being gone so long, but I'm tired, and those are the Cliffs.

[inHimshallibe]

[deadpost]Thanks for the game, Huntress![/deadpost]

[inHimshallibe]

Bulbazak and Zekrom currently gut level scums.

vote: Bulbazak

For death:
Matias
kabooooom
Albert B. Rampage
Bulbazak
Rainbowdash
Aegor

Gladly just nuke the above.

Was a pretty good start. Didn't follow up with RBD though.

GG all!