Alright, updated reads list as promised. Let's see if I can do this without boring anyone to death.
acryon
- I initially had a fairly good town read on him based on his entrance and his interactions with people. However, he's since moved down to the null/lean scum category. His reads list in
382 seems to be all over the place....certain people with content are null while others are lean-scum, and some of his other reasoning for reads is extremely weak (imo). The argument about voting for your top scum read seems to be reaching a bit far in my mind. In many of my games, we would rarely have a not-deadline lynch if everyone voted for just their top scumread. The fact that he uses that as part of his scumread on Thor bothers me as well. He also mentions that Thor and Blair have "monopolized the thread", but then starting in
454 he takes on Blair's mantle and does the same thing. In my previous reads I had listed that I felt the Blair/Thor argument was town/town, but I'm not getting that same feeling with the acryon/Thor interaction. He also continues to refer to YYR well after he replaced, which makes me think he's not even paying attention to the Fink replacement.
bins
- Has to be a null. Seemed like she was fluff posting a bit as I said in my last read, and her reads list wasn't very indicative to me of alignment. Will have to wait on her replacement to get an actual read.
Blair
- Here's the first of a few of my difficult reads. At this point, I still believe she's town. It appears that she picked the fight with Thor inadvertently, but never backed down from it. There are many points in the arguments where some could read that she's avoiding questions or trying to slip by, but to me it seems more a lack of understanding of where the questions are coming from/what exactly Thor is trying to get at. Sometimes people just don't mesh communication styles well, and this seems to be one of those situations. Her interactions with wgeurts on D2 were fairly null before the flip, but I don't believe scum would have been pushing for info the way she was knowing that he was town. Her push on Phil seems authentic as well, and is still pushing for reasons from people on their reads/votes.
droog
- Going to say more solidly town now. I liked his counter arguments to acryon's "must vote your number 1 read" posts. The fact that he brings up that most people have him as their top town read and that scum is somewhere reads as town to me. I know it's sort of WIFOM, but I think a post like that would make people look at you closer, which would be extremely brazen to do as scum. I'd like to see a little more activity, as he has a lot of posts with not much in any of them, but I do like the game progression he's looking for in those posts.
dys
- I'm still thinking scum on her, though possibly not as strongly as before. Based on ISO's, I could see an acryon/dys scum team though. Now, into the actual meat of my read on Dys. I have the same feeling about the acryon/Thor argument as I do about the Dys/Thor argument. It feels like rather than an actual conversation, it's measured responses to make sure she doesn't get caught in a contradiction. Her reads list in
477.
478, and
479 are another instance of being very wordy without saying much. Almost all of her reads could have been limited to two or three sentences, but instead she has lines upon lines, spanning three posts. The fact that she doesn't provide any reads on YYR because he replaced out also seems convenient, if YYR's slot were to flip scum. I agree that replacements can change reads on a slot, but that doesn't preclude one from giving a read on the player that was in the slot. In
494 Dys says she's not going to respond to Thor anymore because it feels like it's going nowhere, and then directly corresponds with him again in her next two posts (
559 and
560. I did like her push on Phil which didn't feel like bussing, which is probably the only reason I have a slightly less strong scumread on her right now (I know my original read on Phil was town, his read comes later). I'm still comfortable with my vote where it is, however.
Fink/YYR
- Null/leaning town. I have my YYR case explained in my previous reads list, so I'll focus on Fink here. I appreciated his intro to the game, although giving the interim reads was a little interesting as it appeared that his reads on some people changed in very few posts. The thing I did not like at all, however, was the fact that he didn't even mention his slot until
485, where he makes the comment about "knowing the YYR slot is town" and talking about Phil's case against him. He's not letting things slip by (
556,
557 for example), and seems to be genuinely trying to understand motives.
Phil
- Intial town read, now beginning to lean scum. His intro reads list seemed to have some effort put into it, and his questioning of wgeurts seemed to be town-motivated. His next few posts don't have too much in them, so they're a null read to me. In
183, his read on Johnny seems very fencesitting, and he doesn't provide very much original though on Blair, as he admits in the very beginning ("a lot of the same things Thor's been calling out"). In
328 is where things start to go downhill. He admits to not having read the entire thread between Blair and Thor, which leads me to two questions: 1) How can he know what context things that follow are in? and 2) How can he be sure he didn't miss anything thrown at anyone else as not all of the posts were purely Thor-->Blair or vice versa. He mentions that she's scummy for her defense of YYR, but defending other players is townish in the next paragraph. He then talks about looking closer at the Dys case, and mentions three specific posts. He talks about the first one in
455, which he resolves at "isn't all bad", then says he needs to still visit the other two, which he still hasn't. In his next (and only post since) post,
558, he gives an argument for Dys that's similar to the one I'm using here, but (imo) worded much more poorly. He also says that he's going to look at things that aren't Dys' ISO, which precludes us from hearing anything more on the two posts he mentioned in his previous post.
Thor
- Are there any roles that allow you to be both town and scum? That would be an easier case to make than either alignment. I'm finding his actual content very hard to get a read off of, which makes him null based on that. Some of the methods he's using, particularly post flooding, seem like something scum would do to hide their alignment. However, most strongly based on his major interaction partners (Blair, acryon, and Dys), I have to say I feel he is town. There has been no lack of him trying to offer explanations (though his snarky attitude often leads to dodgy sounding answers), assuming people actually ask the right questions. His voting record does not seem suspicious to me - the fact that he considers wgeurts and Blair scummy doesn't actually require him to place a #1 and #2 scum read and only vote for #1. The wgeurts wagon was gaining steam, so there was no reason to move it and attempt to start a counter wagon. He is definitely pushing people's buttons, but I could easily see that as being a way to get people to catch themselves in contradictions or just all-out flail. In his dealings with Blair, there definitely seems to be a lack of understanding between them in certain phrasings/motivations, but they are continuing to probe into each others posts and reasons. With both Dys and acryon, I feel that Thor is pushing on them for reasons, and they are both looking for anything that could possibly be a hole to try and place him as scum for.
