Newbie 1546: Binary Trolls (Game Over!)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@Shiro

So basically, I think you are scum because:
1. You never scumhunt and don't care about finding the scum at all despite saying the opposite.
2. You are answering on my questions with defensive manner, you still don't care about others.
3. You end up raging while I stated that I suspect you only slightly.
4. You are really concerned about being lynched (or speed lynched) while no one else except me is really suspecting you at this point.

Basically it's about his reaction to pressure and lack of scumhunting.
Also, putting someone at L-1 right after he/she was replaced out when it's 6 days until deadline does not look town-driven decision for me.

1. I agree with that reasoning.
2. Defensiveness does not equal scum. Common mistake.
3. Seems an expansion on point 2.
4. Seems an expansion on point 2.

I agree with the L-1 vote. I didn't like that much either.

PEdit - He's done nothing. So he can have my vote.

[Shiro]

@Nether

Yes most of the replaces here are null tells I agree. A replace when you are at L-2 with a lot of suspicion on you isn't a null tell

@Blue

It might be a bad question. I still want to see his justification about it.

Also just realised it is L-2 sine Dysle was voting for her and Blue replaced in and changed the vote to VDA

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How can he justify what somebody else did?

Can you justify why Dyslexicon replaced out?

[Netherspite]

@BlueBloodedToffee

While I agree that playing defensive ain't a strong scum tell on its own, I believe that it's strength increases because of both early stage of the game and the other points I made.
Combined altogether it makes enough evidence for me to vote him/her.
If there will be someone who will deserve more suspicion I'll move my vote.

PEdit:

@Shiro

Being at L-whatever with any amount of suspicion does not make replacement any less null tell.
I was doing this mistake previously but now I'm pretty sure replacement is always a null tell. Anyone can rage quit or get consumed by RL. Regardless of the alignment.

[Shiro]

@Blue Dyslex hasn't done anything suspicious though has he ? He was just null there is nothing to justify.

Carli has been scummy. How is asking the replace in about his thought on his pre action unfair ? Should we pretend Carli never did anything scummy and move on ?

@Nether
You were doing this mistake ? You pressured a replace in that came in a slot that was under pressure and turned out to be town ? Yea my first game had that too. I am not saying it 100% but bringing some attention to a replace in a scummy so far slot isn't exactly a bad thing to do.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because TGGC cannot possibly know why Carli did what they did.

[Netherspite]

We shouldn't pretend Carli never did anything scummy but we shouldn't just lynch her without listening to her replacer either.

I did this mistake a bit differently, but it still was about judging over people's alignment or intentions because of the replacement fact. It was just plain wrong.
Replacement out is a null tell and good manners are to allow replacer to take some breath and to talk before attacking him.

[Shiro]

@Blue

I don't want him to tell me her reasonin. I want his interpretaion of it

@Nether

I doubt anyone would lol hammer the slot. I never said lynch before he talk. If that was my goal I wouldn't be asking a question. I would have posted something akin to "GG obv scum replace lynch now"

[Netherspite]

Putting at L-1 creates unnecessary extra pressure while the replacer isn't even here yet.

[TGGC]

Netherspite:
the first postings of Netherspite seem odd, a) he says he is going to look like scum and he does not care b) he explains he secret question strategy (which kind of defeats this strategy) c) long, useless exchange with luca
Also he promised the results of his questions, which never came, deadline was 2 days away before the extension.
Leans to scum.


Bananas/Toolenduso:
bananas post does not say much
toolenduso made many posts which look like scumhunting, looks town to me

Lolbabe:
useless posts, no read

Shiro:
Lot of posts without much substance. Two things strike me most, how GuyInFreezer opinion is valued higher than his own and the "i am not scumhunting" line.
Either scum or useless townie.

Dyslexicon/BlueBloodedToffee;
Dyslexicon did only 1 somewhat useful post. BlueBloodedToffee only replaced recently. So no read for now.

Luca Blight:
Spend most of his posts with "buddying theory" and defending it afterwards.
Slightly scum or useless townie (again).

VictorDeAngelo:
no read

GuyInFreezer:
First thing, he is wrong about Netherspite throwing away his meta defense is town because scum would not do that. And after that there is not that much. So another scum or useless town.


VOTE: Shiro

[Bulbazak]

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Vote Count

TGGC (3): Luca Blight, Toolenduso, Shiro
Netherspite (0):
Toolenduso (1): Lolbabe
Lolbabe (0):
Shiro (2): Netherspite, TGGC
BlueBloodedToffee (0):
Luca Blight (0):
VictorDeAngelo (1): BlueBloodedToffee
GuyInFreezer (0):

Not Voting (2): VictorDeAngelo, GuyInFreezer

It is day 1. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends on Sunday, November 2 at 11:30pm EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-11-02 23:30:00).

GuyInFreezer is V/LA until Tuesday, October 28.

[Netherspite]

@TGGC

[irony]I thought we have 2 scum in this game.
You opened my eyes [/irony]

In fact, you seem to be skimming through most of the topic despite there's not much to read (just 8 pages, really...)
Also it looks like you're going to help getting another wagon going because you're close to the lynch.

Don't like your opener so far, but will wait with the conclusions until you post more.

[Luca Blight]

Shiro didn't want to vote for Carli because GIF had townvibes from one of hr posts, but then, when questioned about why she isn't voting, votes her replacement before he has even had a chance to post?

That makes no sense and feels scummy. I was considering switching votes but TGGC's entrance doesn't sit right with me. He calls almost everyone either scum or a 'useless townie', which in itself kind of renders him either scum or a 'useless townie' with such lazy reads, doesn't it? He also votes for Shiro, a null read of his, over Nether, who he reads as scum. Bear in mind Nether is also the one pushing the Shiro lynch. This also makes no sense.

What was the 'useful' post by Dyslex and why was it useful?

[Shiro]

@Luca

I am choosing to trust GiF words until she speaks

Everyone just decide to skip that. I said Until she speaks. She didn't speak. She ddecided to replace out. Thus my view on trusting GiF words changed based on that.

I said I would most likely vote her if she replaces out or keep the silent act in post 176 and 180.

He also excluded to give his opinion on Carli. Why exclude that TGGC ?

[Netherspite]

Reading his predecessor is pretty much useless since he already knows his alignment.

[Bulbazak]

JohnnyFarrar replaces Lolbabe.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Heyhey not a newbie but whatever I'm here.

Ask me questions and stuff. Making a post now.

[JohnnyFarrar]

UNVOTE: btw

[JohnnyFarrar]

Formal introduction: I'm Johnny, not a newbie. I'm often jerkish and profane and I apologize in advance if I make you mad.

Here's all of my thoughts as they occurred to me in thread.

Spoiler:

This RVS is gross. A self proclaimed random.org and a self proclaimed OMGUS make this boring.

Nether is weird. I'm either going to love that or hate it.
Nether and Babe discussing Nether's pointless intro makes me unhappy.

YUP hate him. RQs are disgusting.

Now a buddying vote

I'm taking sides in an argument betwixt a buddying voter and a RQ proponent. This game's gonna be fun.

This post throws up all kinds of red flags. Specifically "a few days before deadline I'll reveal what my questions yielded me".
1. Fuck that, if you think you've found scum don't keep it to yourself.
2. You expect this game to go to deadline?

"misrepresent" is a word I only ever see in newbie games. I wonder why

Dude fuck this buddying conversation I'm getting ill

I disagree with the townread on Nether detailed here. "I've been lynched for these reasons before " to me sounds like an "inb4 bad players kill me" which just sounds newbie as shit. I don't have the newbie game background that you do (probably) so I'm not gonna take your word that town do it more often without examples.

HOLY SHIT THANK YOU

"Sorry to interrupt your conversation" is a weird thing to say.
(Had a vote for Carli here but removed it because it would be a hammer)

I agree with my predecessor that banana and Shiro probably aren't buddies

Pseudo townread on GiF for having exclusively townreads apparently.

Tool is attractive

I'm into this Shiro today as well

Gross

@tool when making a meta argument, you also have to show me that they don't act the same as town. Since (as you said) you can't do this, I'm wondering why you even bothered? Same with Carli a bit later.

@tool when reading Carli's game did you notice if she had a lot of manners? Like did she say "please" and "excuse me" and the like?

Replacements are neat.

Shiro putting that slot at l-1 now is making me hesitant to hammer

Tgcg or whatever is lazy, making me feel no better about that slot

Intent to hammer TGWTG

Carli was
1.defensive
2. Hypocritical
3. Very careful not to step on anyone's toes
4. Replaced out a a pretty convenient time.
None of these are great reasons, but they are numerous.

Would also be willing to vote Shiro, but that's more gut than anything because most of the arguments against her seem to be "you're playing like a newbie". The recent vote on TGGC is the only thing that screams scum to me

GiF isn't being active and that's annoying in an IC

And I can already see this is gonna be one of those games where nobody talks, so I ask right now that if you find yourself not wanting to post to just replace out. This game requires people willing to play.

[Netherspite]

This post throws up all kinds of red flags. Specifically "a few days before deadline I'll reveal what my questions yielded me".
1. Fuck that, if you think you've found scum don't keep it to yourself.
2. You expect this game to go to deadline?

Well, as we can see, it came almost to the deadline and the deadline was extended. I had some kind of gut feeling that it will go this way, also my previous newbie game wasn't very active too so I got used to have every game day coming to deadline. I thought we had terrible activity in that game, but gosh, how wrong was I... This game is way worse. Hope the replacements will make it going.
And yes, I'd reveal my findings earlier if I'd find the scum. The nature of this game however does not let to be sure in someone's scumminess for 100% at any point during D1, so I tend to gather evidences and build my case for a while, and then pop it out altogether. You can dislike it, but as I said, I won't play differently just because you don't like my playstyle. This is how I scumhunt.

"I've been lynched for these reasons before " to me sounds like an "inb4 bad players kill me" which just sounds newbie as shit.

I wasn't lynched in my other newbie game. I was accused for my playstyle though. Just correcting.

Shiro putting that slot at l-1 now is making me hesitant to hammer

Is it the only thing stopping you from hammering?
I really don't think we should be eager to lynch anyone considering the deadline extension. Every extra post from possible lynchees is extra information to interprete their flips tomorrow.

GiF isn't being active and that's annoying in an IC

It's sad because he was way more active in the beginning and I liked him (as IC).

And I can already see this is gonna be one of those games where nobody talks, so I ask right now that if you find yourself not wanting to post to just replace out. This game requires people willing to play.

Exactly this.
If you don't want to play, please just replace out.

[toolenduso]

Tool is attractive

Huh. That's a new one.

@tool when making a meta argument, you also have to show me that they don't act the same as town. Since (as you said) you can't do this, I'm wondering why you even bothered? Same with Carli a bit later.

Part of it was because there wasn't a whole lot going on in the game and I was looking to flesh out my reads. Part of it was because I like doing meta to fill out and/or challenge my scumreads. Sometimes I find things that push me into being convinced and sometimes I find things that make me reconsider. In this case, I knew going in that I wouldn't be able to pull a whole lot of meaning out of it, but I figured it was at least something to look at that hadn't already been posted.

@tool when reading Carli's game did you notice if she had a lot of manners? Like did she say "please" and "excuse me" and the like?

Not really, no. Why?

I'm weighing this Shiro vote in my head. It definitely looks weird to me but I don't know why scum would wait until that moment, when it would look more suspicious than ever, to switch their vote to the leading wagon.

[toolenduso]

Also,

@BlueBloodedToffee

, I've read some game with your participation and I loved your signature Totally agree with that, people can manipulate their meta.

Uh...what? What about #195, where you helped fill out my meta analysis?

[Netherspite]

I had to clarify I guess, newbies usually don't manipulate their meta just because there are not many games to build said "meta".
Besides that, I said that this meta analysis can't be used as evidence unless we have examples of her town games.

[Netherspite]

I'm weighing this Shiro vote in my head. It definitely looks weird to me but I don't know why scum would wait until that moment, when it would look more suspicious than ever, to switch their vote to the leading wagon.

He/she did it in response to

BlueBloodedToffee

question why didn't he vote yet.
I guess it was an attempt to look better, he/she just didn't think better about it and did a mistake.

[JohnnyFarrar]

This post throws up all kinds of red flags. Specifically "a few days before deadline I'll reveal what my questions yielded me".
1. Fuck that, if you think you've found scum don't keep it to yourself.
2. You expect this game to go to deadline?

Well, as we can see, it came almost to the deadline and the deadline was extended. I had some kind of gut feeling that it will go this way, also my previous newbie game wasn't very active too so I got used to have every game day coming to deadline. I thought we had terrible activity in that game, but gosh, how wrong was I... This game is way worse. Hope the replacements will make it going.
And yes, I'd reveal my findings earlier if I'd find the scum. The nature of this game however does not let to be sure in someone's scumminess for 100% at any point during D1, so I tend to gather evidences and build my case for a while, and then pop it out altogether. You can dislike it, but as I said, I won't play differently just because you don't like my playstyle. This is how I scumhunt.

Consider revising how you scumhunt. My favorite games on this site go too quick to wait for 2 week deadlines. A game I recently died in had a day that only lasted six hours and it was fucking awesome.

"I've been lynched for these reasons before " to me sounds like an "inb4 bad players kill me" which just sounds newbie as shit.

I wasn't lynched in my other newbie game. I was accused for my playstyle though. Just correcting.

Statement stands

Shiro putting that slot at l-1 now is making me hesitant to hammer

Is it the only thing stopping you from hammering?
I really don't think we should be eager to lynch anyone considering the deadline extension. Every extra post from possible lynchees is extra information to interprete their flips tomorrow.

Well also a claim and I wanted an answer from Tool. Plus I want everyone to weigh in on all the replacements, beccause there are nine people in this game and I could probably name 5 of them without looking at the playerlist and that's annoying. Also not eager to lynch, but just waiting for no reason is pointless and only further disinclines those who are bored of this shit from posting.

GiF isn't being active and that's annoying in an IC

It's sad because he was way more active in the beginning and I liked him (as IC).

I mean to his credit he looks genuinely busy but it's still annoying.

Tool is attractive

Huh. That's a new one.

@tool when reading Carli's game did you notice if she had a lot of manners? Like did she say "please" and "excuse me" and the like?

Not really, no. Why?

Because she did that a lot this game and that kind of passive language reeks of someone trying to stay on everyone's good side. If you said she behaved that way as town she'd just be a polite person, but you say she didn't.

More confident in my read now.