In post 1470, West9 wrote:Gliffieslot case, if some of you are interested in refocusing and/or playing the game.
In post 445, Gliffie wrote:
TJM
- Oh dear, not much happened here, did it? Bad bji vote and some not very interesting questions. I eagerly await future contributions.
SilverWolf
- Seems fine.
Other people were given analysis during his initial post. These two weren't.
This implication is not convincing. The likelihood that Gliffie would specifically not mention his two scum buddies and then put them in a separate post later seems unnecessarily careless. Hard to believe that a scum even trying to appear unbiased would do anything like that.
West9 wrote:
Only interested in TMJ read out of Dooku's list.
Could be explained by the fact that at the time TMJ was noted for not participating, and anyone would have been justified in finding it odd that TMJ was listed as a top scum read there.
West9 wrote:
Gliffie wrote:What the fuck is going on. Correct me if I'm wrong: Titus is a known sharp player, completely and utterlty missunderstands pisskop, this is apparently scum slip of the century, suddenly L-1? This seems so dumb on both ends. Titus, you are paying attention to the game right? Your posts feel so unfocused. I really don't like this wagon either. It's so incredibly rushed. Why are VDA, P Brain and Lapsa on it? Is just just #YOLOSWAGWAGON or did I miss your actual reasons? Ari's jump onto the wagon feels really opportunitsic too. Oh, and bji is back. Man...
Defense/not defense of titus where he also attacks the Titus wagon.
This is more substantial than your other two points. But still, one could just take Gliffie at face value here. Not understanding why Titus was being so dense but also not understanding why Titus being dense equates to a quickwagon.
West9 wrote:
In post 858, Gliffie wrote:I don't think it's that unlikely. Cheetory does not originate from this site and this is the first game he's hosting here. Do you think the list mod would not have approved it?
Still pushing for Ari lynch.
Are you sure that Ari is town?
West9 wrote:
In post 873, Gliffie wrote:I doubt you will get anything out of Pea Brain anyways. Someone should just shoot that guy before we waste a lynch on him. I'm all for him giving reads though, if he can accomplish such a feat.
The next day:
In post 1017, Gliffie wrote:VOTE: Prolapsed Brain because I think there's a bigger chance he'll flip scum. I'll hammer Titus before the deadline to avoid a no lynch though. Gj to scum for making me chose between two players who aren't my top scumread. (Someone please vote Ari with me).
IDK, I'm starting to be convinced ... reading more into post
873, the quote "I'd rather have you vote Ari, but that's not gonna happen, is it?" just highlights how Gliffie was always aggressive in proposing lynches of non-scum players, but cautious in conceding that he'd be "willing to" vote for players that we now know were scum.
West9 wrote:
About my L-2 vote: You guys seriously need to put more thought into that, because there was ZERO motivation for scumWest to vote for Titus at that point in any way possible. Why? Well, on D1 if you were going to bus someone, why wouldn't you bus TMJ? Why would you bus Titus who could potentially be of great benefit to you?
Well I do have to disagree here. Why bus TMJ, who is unlikely to even play along in a meaningful way? What's the point of a bussing vote that doesn't gather much convincing interaction? A bus doesn't look like much when it's on a lurker. Much better is a point/counterpoint argument with a sharp scum partner who can make it look convincing.
In post 1389, texcat wrote: In post 662, West9 wrote:Silverwolf/bji: eh. this isn't really fun to read. I need a reader's digest version of 632. bji's cluelessness and Silverwolf's exaggeration seem real. That tells me little about alignment.
At face value, I super don't feel comfortable following VDA, PBrain, and bji into this wagon, so we should kill Ari instead.
In post 872, West9 wrote:I agree that SW looked genuine but the fact that she replaced means to me that the exasperation was alignment-neutral
This is the kind of soft defense that I would expect from a scum buddy.
I'm not sure I buy the "soft defense" argument at all. Maybe you perceive it as such but with no evidence other than your feeling that this looks like soft defense, it's just not convincing to me.
West9 wrote:
What happened was that Texcat searched through my ISO, trying to find dirt on me so that she could hastily put together a case and get me mislynched, forgot to check for context, and made a scummy error which she hasn't acknowledged. And she hasn't acknowledged it because she is not trying to find scum.
Well I would expect that a scum willing to do that much leg work would be willing to think of a way to respond to your subsequent accusation, wouldn't you?
Also, are you "trying to find scum" in this game? I really haven't seen you put alot of effort in unless it's to defend yourself, and your strongest scum read all game is on someone mostly just because they built a case against you.
West9 wrote:
In post 1440, texcat wrote:Should we talk about why Johnny is dead?
I actually had him very close to the top of the scum list during my read thru. He seems an odd choice for NK.
then:
In post 1445, West9 wrote: In post 1434, pisskop wrote:The Johnny kill was odd, but perhaps the scum was trying to eliminate more PRs.
Texcat came straight out of the gates pushing for a West lynch. Johnny would have been maybe the hardest person to get to support a West lynch. Therefore, Johnny needed to go.
This evidence I find much more convincing. texcat first acting like there was no obvious reason that Johnny would be the NK, but then later trying to use the Johnny lynch as evidence against you, is really weird. It does feel opportunistic, and not in a good (town) way.
There's another thing about Gliffie I don't like, and I already pointed it out a while ago: Gliffie prompted me to have another go at making reads back when I was lamenting not having any idea what to do, and acted like he'd be interested in the results, and when I came back with SW as the guilty party in those reads, he never said a word about them. That was just a little odd given that SW flipped scum.
Finally, I feel like texcat has been trying to buddy me ever since joining back. Defending me against pacman a little in post
1465, asking me specifically to look at West's ISO, as if my opinion is worth something, asking me to make reads, just overall being really friendly to me and valuing my opinion and expressing that. I hate to have to use someone being nice to me as evidence against them, but I couldn't help having noticed it.
textcat, I like you as a player and you seem like a really nice person and I hate to have to do this, but please understand it's just a game decision and nothing personal, and Gliffie is mostly to blame.
UNVOTE: ChaosOmega
VOTE: texcat
That's L-1.
As for West, you're kind of null for me after all that. I don't like how you have these powers of observation but you only really use them in self defense. But I do think you come out better in the West-texcat exchange.
