Mini 1729 - History Mafia II END

[Spiffeh]

ErrantParabola could you give me your read on Scorpius?

I know you said something about his vanilla claim not being scummy but what are your thoughts outside of that?

[Errantparabola]

Sure.
I think that he's acting kind of odd in regards to the attacks on him, like in 263 and here:

@EP

Explain to me why Bastion has devoted entire wall posts to me being scum.. And they seemed to get longer as I become a more viable candidate. Again. When I flip.. Just note the effort he put into lynching a Vanilla..

this is fine and good, and I'm not saying I townread bastion. I just want scorpius to respond to this

That rings alarm bells for me and I could look at this 2 ways, either Scorpious is trying to look active without actually doing any scumhunting or Creeper's and Dwlee's response was so over the top that he's afraid of looking like he's OMGUS on one of them if he votes.

I personally think that the way he continues to fail to answer to it is scummy, but I'm waiting for a response before I finalize a read, just like I am with rory.

[Dwlee99]

Scorpion's reads list is bad because he claims I am not scumhunting when I am.

And stop calling me new. In my most recent completed game I got all of my town reads right, had a scum read on one scum and a null on the other on a 48 hour d1.

Sorry if this comes across as seven for seven but every post about me contains a reference to my age or calling me a noob.

[Scorpious]

Re: 519

DW/KT are making me want to fall face first on the dullest object I can find. Yes,perhaps I'm stuck there because they are so grating. Very fair assumption and one I'm not about to dispute..

Ari-I guess I would ask him why 165 seems so hedgy,and 52 looks like he might be fishing for someone to either begin a case,or he was planting a seed to have whatever case he was concocting substantiated based on Wolf's response.

Bella- I'd like her to explain in her own words, Why the "positive feel" on me died,that answer would help me lean one way or the other..

COTW- I guess I would expect more from town Titus honestly. BBT is doing what he did to me in another game and I'm 90% sure he flipped scum,again not positive,but I have too many windows open already.. lol

EP-I would say town based on her recent posts,like I said I had to stop looking at activity as alignment indicative..

(damn work is a drag today..will continue this when I can,should be soon)

[Scorpious]

Remember that Plotinus is capable of walls regardless of alignment

of course,but regardless of alignment. That post was very helpful to me as an average at best player..

[Dwlee99]

I have played with you before scorp, what happened that changed?

[Scorpious]

(528 cont.)

MS-I was really struggling to pull anything from him. I like 471,It gives me the impression though,while,quiet. He is working things out.

I think the randomness of some of his posts are a shroud to make people think he isn't keying on them. He's in my green zone now.

Rory will take a little bit of comparing ,but his might have to wait,not sure if I can do it critically right now..

I can't really say much about Bastion without looking to defensive. He's obviously been the champion for my lynch today.. I think He zeroed in on me because I looked like an easy lynch. He's scummy to me because it looks like a very convenient stance for someone to take

(more work..)

[BeardedCat]

@Scorpious: I'm glad.



@Errant regarding my readslist:

Spoiler: i had to do all this thinking out loud to figure out how my readslist changed.

sonic

I can't elaborate on this but I feel like sonic is hitting the right notes with how he's approaching trying to read my slot. I don't always guess right what a person's read on my slot should be; that's a bit too much theory of mind for me, but it's a good sign that he's behaving the way i expect him to in that regard. or maybe my ego is just happy with his approach but I've noticed the things that Titus has noticed about him too, that he doesn't seem to be aggressively sorting people so I'm still fretting about him.

spiffeh

I like spiffeh's reads list. I agree with most of it and the parts where we disagree (someone is going to ask me to elaborate here and i'm going to say "the parts that don't match mine") I can understand where he's coming from? I don't think "he's produced a readslist therefore he must be town", but I like the way he's showing his work, the stances he's taking make sense. His readslist contains attacks on his scumreads that I think are more than surface level attacks and he follows up on them later I seem to remember. I think it's fine that some of his reads are gut at this stage.

I know BBT dislikes spiffeh's KT stance (he thinks it's whiteknighting) and I think he's townreading Titus for the wrong reasons but this is the sort of thing I can't untangle without flips.

Spiffeh's readslist is working for me for now because several of the points that he brings up are new points. It's not just a regurgitation of everybody else's reads on everybody else.

Posts like 479 from spiffeh are cheeky if he's scum.

kit and dwlee

I feel like following Dwlee's lead on KT because Dwlee has the most experience with him, and I think aggressively sorting somebody the way they tried to sort each other only to come out of it with a townread instead of a lynch is townish. I like dwlee's sarcasm in 389. I think town is far more likely to say shit like wait i thought you were crumbing masons because that's the sort of thing scum note in their private notes to bring up in their PT later (or right away if daytalk). It's antitown to point out other people's crumbs and he should try to stop doing that but I don't think he's scum for it.

Bella

Bella hasn't talked to me to yet. but she says she'll be home tomorrow night so maybe we can sync then?

scorpious

My read on scorpious is a work in progress.

errant

Errant has started posting. Errant if you want the numbers to link to the post you're talking about do this:

Code: Select all

[post]78[/post]

It will look like 78 and will following your train of thought easier.

I'm okay with her push on Rory because it seems nuanced enough. I'm townreading him for personal reasons but watching multiple people approach a slot in different ways and come to various conclusions helps my own reads. If someone gets to the same place I'm at through different means, that can be a confirmation. So I'm curious to see what'll come out of this and I don't mind that she's voting my top townread. I think also that it shows initiative since if i recall correctly nobody was voting Rory at the time.

gummy

I'm still okay with gummy and the questions they're asking.

sir bastion

I like the depth of Sir Bastion's push on scorpious, if not the timing of it in 493.

dwlee

,

spiffeh

a little

COTW

,

errant

,

sonic

,

scorpious

unchanged:

rory

,

gummy

,

kt

,

bella

a little

sir bastion

,

ari

something like that. Ari's down a little because he prodged so much in open 607.

nobody's changed categories, though. it's just fluctuations in read strength.

fuck i just wrote another wall.

pedit:

Remember that Plotinus is

in

capable of

walls

brevity

regardless of alignment

FTFY

And stop calling me new. In my most recent completed game I got all of my town reads right, had a scum read on one scum and a null on the other on a 48 hour d1.

Go you! Better than me. In my last completed town game I was left alive as uncounterclaimed mason from day 2 until day 6, 3p LYLO because my reads were so bad but then I got my shit together and voted correctly.

Kinda townreading this refusal to play the newbie card.


okay it's almost 10pm and I'm running out of the steam for the night and the ability to make thoughts happen is leaving me but I like what i'm seeing so far on this page.

--P

[Sir Bastion]

Curious to what was off on the timing?

I mean I'm still trying to grasp why anything about my case looks opportunistic about it which seems to be scorpious's counter. But I'd be curious what about my timing has bugged you.


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@scorpious let's get a really simple question out of the way. Why are you refraining from voting?

[Scorpious]

I forgot I hadn't.. Since I'm in major re-evaluation mode right now,it's probably best anyway..

[BeardedCat]

@Sir Bastion: I'm still awake. Basically, he was at L-4 when you posted the case and quickly after he was put at L-2 and I had noticed you didn't vote him in that post. But I just went and looked at the votecount and the reason you didn't vote him was you were already voting him! That changes things. The timing is fine if you were first and you were just resuming your case or continuing to drive a wagon you were already on. I lost that thread in all the noise.

Even if you weren't first it wouldn't be terrible terrible because in order to lynch someone we need 6 people who aren't first to agree with 1 person who is first. But it felt like the push happened right around the time when thread temperature wise a scorpious lynch seemed pretty viable and it lookedl ike you were capitalising on that instead of just resuming your earlier post after a distraction.

Retracted.

--P

[BeardedCat]

*resuming your earlier

push

EBWOP. can't words anymore tonight.

--P

[Nexus]

"Well, that's an exciting story. Listen carefully..."

Votecount 1.9:

KTthecreeper (2)

- Metal Sonic, BeardedCat,

Scorpious (4)

- Sir Bastion, KTthecreeper, gummmybear, Dwlee99,

Metal Sonic (1)

- Call of the Wild,

Dwlee99 (1)

- Aristophanes

Aristophanes (1)

- Rory

Rory (1)

- Errantparabola

Errantparabola (1)

- Spiffeh

Not voting (2)

- Bellaphant, Scorpious,

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. The deadline is at 8am GMT on Saturday the 31st October 2015.

Rory is v/la until Sunday.

[Scorpious]

although I am a touch less confident..

Going to put this down..

VOTE: KT

[Call of the Wild]

Despite all the posting, I'm still not townreading BeardedCat. It's kind of a gut bad feeling. I'll have to look into them more.

~SW

[Call of the Wild]

Also SW what do you think of my reads?

Why are you townreading Bella right now? Gut only or something else?

~SW

@Spiffeh-Did you catch this?

[Aristophanes]

I'm not bailing on this game, I swear to you. I just need another day to get myself caught up and whatnot so I can comment here.

Shitty prod response, I know, but I do mean it and I will make time to be here tomorrow evening.

[Metal Sonic]

plotinus i say for the sake of your slot get bbt on the line

i am going to destroy you if i cannot get a townread on him within 72 hours


this is a warning

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: beardedcat

[Call of the Wild]

Do the wheels on the bus go round and round?

Sonic...you're not sorting me. I want a 100% read on me. What do I gotta do, breathe fire?

Scorpious, what more would you expect to see?

~Titus, the smart ass

[Call of the Wild]

Do the wheels on the bus go round and round?

Sonic...you're not sorting me. I want a 100% read on me. What do I gotta do, breathe fire?

Scorpious, what more would you expect to see?

~Titus, the smart ass

[Call of the Wild]

Do the wheels on the bus go round and round?

Sonic...you're not sorting me. I want a 100% read on me. What do I gotta do, breathe fire?

Scorpious, what more would you expect to see?

~Titus, the smart ass

[Call of the Wild]

Do the wheels on the bus go round and round?

Sonic...you're not sorting me. I want a 100% read on me. What do I gotta do, breathe fire?

Scorpious, what more would you expect to see?

~Titus, the smart ass

[Call of the Wild]

Do the wheels on the bus go round and round? Round and round.

Sonic, you're not sorting me. What do I have to do? Breathe fire?

Scorpious, what are you expecting?

Plot, what's the plus minus on you being scum?

~Titus the smartass

[Call of the Wild]

Do the wheels on the bus go round and round?

Sonic, why aren't you sorting me?

Scorp, what were you expecting?

Plot, give me the plus minus on you being scum.:-p