Open 610: Kill all Townies (Mafia Win)

[Vedith]

Well damn...
Morning all,

VOTE: IS
I'll save my vote for you later in the game FB.

[Vedith]

Great start...

[Vedith]

What do you mean? I was explaining how much I enjoyed the start.
A - If I feel like I want to post I will.
B - Define useful. 20 is not useful.

[Vedith]

What do you mean? I was explaining how much I enjoyed the start.
A - If I feel like I want to post I will.
B - Define useful. 20 is not useful.

Let's continue this A/B thing:
A- That just leads to threads getting cluttered and stuff getting buried. If we had more content and less fluff per post and less posts in general it would make following games a lot easier.
B- Which brings me to the point that my post was useful as I'm trying to keep this game easy to follow as I know once certain people get lost they never recover.
Anyway, if you disagree with me on this then that's fine. There's no point in continuing a useless argument on more/less content/posts as nobody will change their oppinion.

I was going to respond back with some sort of snarky comment. But there's no need to.
I'm just going to say that if people only post content in these games, then you will have a lot of lurkers. Lurkers are town and scum so it just makes it hard to keep the game moving as it only gives a null read and people are participating a lot less.
I agree that my comment wasn't helpful at all, but neither did it hurt the game.

[Vedith]

I assumed it was a delayed RVS. If not the case then yeah, explain into detail and to which post you mean.

[Vedith]

We have an interesting first day already between wgeurts and Vedith.

Elaborate please.

[Vedith]

VOTE: wgeurts

Kari and, uh...Empire are my early townreads. Vettrock's probably the SK. And the above person is striking me as off, especially with that previous post - a fluctuation in confidence mid-retort is a bad sign for me. I really don't see why adding a shrug at the end there was necessary unless it was a scum passive-defensive maneuver.

What's your view on him trying to hard though? 44

[Vedith]

@Vedith: He's come in all guns blazing, no doubt about it. I'm not making anything of that specifically though. What's your view on it? As you brought it up I assume there is a point you wished to make regarding it?

I''m just trying to understand FB's comment since he didn't follow up. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one null reading his entrance and as you posted about him, I thought you would be the best shot for a response.

[Vedith]

Look at both wagons, I can promise there's more than likely at least 1 mafia/wolf on each. Now my gut comes in and I am going to push ShadedMelee. It's a hunch and thus gut feeling.

But I only have 1 vote on me which is RVS I believe?

[Vedith]

cus it was discussed last game where i was outed seer on day 1 in rvs

so i was asking should we do it or not. not about the idea itself

Yeah then we rely on scum not being scummy and going ahead with the plan. It was worth a shot trying to out the Seer I guess though.

[Vedith]

Town Lean

wgeurts

Vedith

davesaz
Dongempire

Wait... What? How on earth did you get this read?

[Vedith]

Also revalista is someone we should watch and not vote yet, he's a newb I recon so his play may be contraversial.

Yeah 101 would suggest this as well. New or not, comments like this is not what you want to draw the attention to you.

[Vedith]

what about the cop?

I agree, what about them?

[Vedith]

Oh that's kind of them...
Still doesn't sound like a decent plan. Takes 1 side to not follow it and you have a dead cop or seer (unless you are going for the fear effect of wasting a kill). Then it just gives the other side the advantage of keeping the opposite alive while they roam freely.

[Vedith]

Town Lean

wgeurts

Vedith

davesaz
Dongempire

Wait... What? How on earth did you get this read?

Read my posts and give me your thoughts, I've ranted walls on this point.

Let me check.

[Vedith]

I assume you mean 102?

You know, if you are town and you believe I am scum, perhaps you should sit back and see who guns for me. Because if I am indeed scum, then the other faction will want me gone. So that's at least 3 people wanting me dead whether I am the other faction or I am town. Either way, no matter which I am, it is better to watch how the others react to me than set upon yourself to react in a rather rash way.

I didn't understand this point. It's just implying that if he is scum the entire opposite team will be voting him. If he's town then he thinks that the entire team (possibly both?) would be on him?
Makes no sense trying to assume wagon bussing to this level so early on.

I didn't see much else wrong with his post.
However, I do see the town call list as a 'butter me up' tactic.
Hopefully there are explanations on those reads.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: IS
VOTE: City

Lets go Lets go!

[Vedith]

Smudger replaces CityElectric.

Talk to us Smudger, convince me to remove my vote.

[Vedith]

3rd time posting this... Doesn't seem to want to post?!

Lalendra thinks Sinsun is scum but changing their vote? 255
wtf?

[Vedith]

Right, I need to read up shortly but I'm just focusing on a different game right now.
I'll deal with this one shortly.

[Vedith]

Have you never changed your vote from your first scum read to your second, particularly when your second is being more actively scummy, and the wagon on the first isn't going anywhere?

Well I was going to review the case on you and possibly vote to you, but I'm not liking that wagon so far.
There was a reason why I kept my vote after the replacement but I can't remember why, I have to look into this again later.

[Vedith]

Self voting is so scummy...
Is that L1?

[Vedith]

Nah I wouldn't hammer FB without discussing further...
So I need to catch up but have you claimed or no?

[Vedith]

Self voting is so scummy...
Is that L1?

Excluding Fire, it's 2 people voting him currently.

Then what's with the dramatic approach?

[Vedith]

I don't get your wg scum read... Because he wants him scum read lynched he is scum? I mean 307 already argues that he has content, right?

[Vedith]

Ummm, I think that you are town?
And you think that I am town?

Ummm?

Still just looks like you are sweet talking people. Anyone that find you town is town?
And people that think you are scum are scum apart from wg?

Explain to me why the 4th scum is in Ika, Shaddow or Ricastle when you null read them just like Performer, Silver and Alma?

VOTE: Sinsun

[Vedith]

why the hell would I draw attention out to me by calling you and Vedith town right off the bat?

To buddy us?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Dongempire

I would assume so too.

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Dong
VOTE: Lalendra

That's L1

[Vedith]

Dong is just pissed that he is caught. XD

[Vedith]

We shall see. At this stage, why would Ika lie if it meant that he gets lynched tomorrow?

[Vedith]

Prodge

Catch up later

[Vedith]

VOTE: Performer

@performer - Talk to me about 781

[Vedith]

Oh, mine was L1 btw.

[Vedith]

Why not?

[Vedith]

VOTE: TellTaleHeart

Is that game?

[Vedith]

Well I'm not scum. So if the game goes on, who are we lynching?

[Vedith]

Okay... Well wg would have been my first scum choice.
So, I'll check over you both tomorrow when I'm on properly and decide who I think scum is.

[Vedith]

I was being sarcastic...

[Vedith]

Regardless what you think of me Ricastle, tell me why I should consider you more town that Pisskop?

[Vedith]

Well, if Ricastle is scum then that's game to scum anyway.

[Vedith]

VOTE: pisskop

I'll work on this later. No need to rush the hammer until I put my side in.

[Vedith]

Okay, lets take a look here.

[Vedith]

Okay, all I really have are the following.

Pisskop was reckless with the voting so easily. That's more scummy than not because if you were scum he would have given the game away straight away before proper discussion.

The vote on FireKari was late (considering that he used the argument of me voting late is pot kettle). At the stage of voting FireKari was more or less the lynch here, it would make sense for scum to jump onto this.

The vote on Lalendra was the hammer, no chance of getting out of the lynch.

Now, here's what I find interesting... 661 - I am town because of meta reasons, 824 - Then says he doesn't know what scum me is like, meaning that he can't meta me?

Apart from that, he hasn't done much apart from buddy town and distance from scum except when he was leading wagons that were not scum.

@Ricastle - You can either decide on what we have given, or if you want to interact about anything, then lets do that.

[Vedith]

Vedith, give me a reason I shouldn't just leave this to a coin flip.

Because that's just stupid.

[Vedith]

want to win?

No, voting before someone even puts a case forward is a scum minded move. And you have played enough to know this.

[Vedith]

I just couldn't pass this up.

1) My vote was otherwise on Dave or Lal that day. Dave was acting differently than usual and fire was scum. You're trying to argue my points against you back at me, but I voted for firekari; if he was the lynch of the day why were you not on him?

Yeah exactly, you knew he was going to be scum so you jumped on. I didn't think scum as I wanted to discuss with FB first. Why would I vote someone who I have doubts on being scum. Your position on this wagon is so obvious.

2) What's your point here? My vote was on her D1, its not like suddenly suspicion.
Yeah,

You mean, you voted for your scum buddy when the wagon died off? How very towny of you. All game you have been trying to distance yourself from your 2 scum friends, if Ricastle can't see this, then there's no hope.

3) Again, waht is the point here? Putting aside the fact that I don't have to have actually played with you as scum to be able to metadive you, what does this imply?

What's the point? The fact you try and say I am town because you know my meta, then you decide today that you don't know my meta? It's a fucking contradiction.

4) Could you show us some of my buddying? Buddying is such a vague term.

Well, you haven't got a lot of posts, so you and Ricastle can just check... You buddy a few people, including Ika.

Btw, what's your case on me being scum again?

[Vedith]

NY 181 We won because of my lylo vote.

Mini 1652 Kind of lost this one.

Micro 466 This game . . .

This has no relevance to this game...
Self meta like this is always scummy.

[Vedith]

Because doing that could easily be game throwing... If you vote wrong and lose because you actually believe Pisskop is town then that's different.

And no, he should be trying to convince you why he's town or why I'm scum. For you to sit there and say that he just needs to go "Yeah he is scum" is so fucking stupid. XD
Sorry to say.

Ask yourself... How often do scum bus each other?
Where was he on the wagons? He was on the end. of them.

[Vedith]

Why is listening to you less potentially game-throwing than relying on luck? Tell me that. 'Because I'm town' isn't going to cut it.

If we're going to lose, I'd prefer to lose because Pisskop out smarted us rather than to a coin flip, if that's your general thought on this, then so be it, I'll just avoid joining games with you in the future.

I didn't say that. Yes, constructing a case to convince me is the optimal thing to do, but I don't think it's scummy for not having yet done so. I'm assuming we're not counting the VCA here.

So explain where I said it was scummy?
My comment to him was where is his case against me, and you responded with, why should he have a case if in his mind I am confirmed scum...
I mean, how the fuck did we end up with someone like you as the confirmed town.

[Vedith]

I don't care what position you are in. If you playing like the way you are, I'm going to say my thoughts on it.

You obviously won't understand what I am saying, so I really can't be arsed to waste my breathe on someone like you... As I said, how the fuck did we end up with you as the game decider?

I think I'm done here.

Flip your coins, do whatever, it then falls to you and your great coin flip.

[Vedith]

dont tell anyone, but my play in any game is largely depndent on how I feel at the time

So much bollocks right here.

[Vedith]

will you stop trying to shit onplayers? theres no reason for it. If ric wasg going to flip a coin he wouldnt be talking with us

Oh, aren't you the friendly town giving the white knight power.
Do you always talk so much bollocks as scum?

[Vedith]

Yeah, okay. Just ignore everything I said then. Do you really want to win with me?

What do you want me to say then?
I give you reasons to why he is scum, but apparently we don't need to do this as we are both claiming scum on each other. Then you compare me being pissed off from you suggesting the worst options to your scum game...
And you wonder why I'm pissed off over it?

Of course I want to fucking win with you... Reason I am so against the coin flip.

[Vedith]

why arent you addressing my csse on you or my response to yours?

845

I'm pretty sure I responded to your response.
I didn't see a case on me apart from I was late to voting? Which I already addressed.

[Vedith]

This question too tough for you, Vedith?

Why did you bring it up if you weren't making a point? Do you find it necessary to argue with who is from your perspective confirmed scum? Because I've done the exact same as scum in lylo before.

Yeah it actually was tough for me not to insult you here...
It's even tougher right now for me not to insult you...
But somehow, I an managing to keep it peaceful...

Why did I bring it up if I wasn't making a point?

- Lord help me with not insulting...

Why did I bring it up if I wasn't making a point?

I was making a point to Pisskop who has nothing that is legit. Apart from I didn't vote for scum day 1, while he joined the wagon late.
I wasn't making a point to you, otherwise I would have said it was a comment to you, not in a response to Pisskop.

*Remove insult from here*

That's good enough, eh?

Can you just decide already, I've honestly had enough of you.

[Vedith]

No. you dodged my response to your case and then dismissed my own against you.

Yeah, that's exactly what happen.

[Vedith]

How is that not making it out as scummy, which is what I originally said and you denied? Do you WANT to argue?

Making something out as scummy, and discussing a point are different.
You obviously do, I'm telling you that I am done and you just want to bicker over something that shouldn't even exist... I mean, ready your excuse to why you fucked up as you like, but I'm really not going to argue further on it.

[Vedith]

-I did vote for scum. But now I had day chat with scum, 10/10
-wg being killed means I am scum, 10/10 there "although as a conftown that weakens a bit" as if he was not going to be the target killed.
-I'm using avoidance tactics 10/10
-I dodged your case of me not voting scum day 1 and you trying to do VCA, 10/10

Oh boy, with that case I'm close to self voting and throwing away the key, as I'm confirmed scum. (Sarcasm none the less).

[Vedith]

why the hell is 845 quoting my response to your case by responding to my original case?

Lets start again, what?

My understanding is that you were unhappy that I didn't respond to your comments for the case I put on you?
Is this correct, or no?

[Vedith]

But you wanted me to reply to your case... I'm at a loss here, if I don't reply I'm avoiding it, if I do, I'm a scumbag. XD

Seriously, I'm done caring. but I do agree that Ricastle should end it because frankly, this game is making me pissed off in general which I don't want spoiling the game site wide.

[Vedith]

Yup, he was scum just so you know... But I think you expected that with your vote post.

[Vedith]

Ricastle, my apologies on what I said to you, I was just annoyed and how you was playing.
pisskop - I'm not sure I actually said anything bad to yourself other than you're talking bollocks, but GG anyway.

[Vedith]

Yeah, I was snarky because of comments like "I'll flip a coin" and "He doesn't need to provide a case if he has you as confscum"

I'm just against that for confirmed town...
It just showed that he really didn't care what the out come was going to be...

[Vedith]

I don't think it would have mattered... He wanted to stir the pot more than to find scum in my opinion.

[Vedith]

I'd have lynched Vedith 2-3 pages earlier with how he was acting.

I was only acting like that as the confirmed town had no interest. Even the hammer he did had a comment of well done Pisskop showing that he expected scum to win from the hammer.
The coin idea was probably his primary plan but because I gave him shit for it he changed it to just asking.

[Vedith]

I mean, there's no point arguing about it post game but my opinion stands.