Blitz 16: Blitz Greatest Idea Mafia(GAME OVER)

[Flubbernugget]

You expect truth from this?

This, btw, was the reason why I asked people what they drew last time.

Because, critically, I wanted to know what alignment they were predisposed to choosing.

The answer I got was: davesaz wanted to be the strongest, so nothing from him; Persivul wanted a challenge, so anti-town; Frozen Angel and Smithereens wanted town, thus, town; Blackstar and lane chose town, so, town; scum in {Persivul, RadiantCowbells, Almost50, Jackal711, unclaimed slots like Starbuck}. Yours in them.

You're assuming you weren't lied to. We have at least one claimed scum yet had to redraw. How do you think that happened?

[Persivul]

1- OR we had only 1 WW and they got killed thus their kill didn't go through (someone more experienced in modding should respond to this: Would the kill have still gone through if the killer is killed themselves??)

2- Yes, I'm leaning that way.

3- I highly suspect there are two groups of the same faction, since this is NOT a tailored game. I mean, how would the mod decide which player to place in group 1 & which belong to group 2 if they all opted for "mafia"??

I think the idea was to group all players of the same alignment in the same group, unless their modifier suggested otherwise.

Besides, we already have Smithereens claim, so that's where the other shot came from. Or do you have reason to doubt her claim?

Kills generally resolve simultaneously. If I target you and you target me for kills, we both die.

There can't be two groups of the same faction in this setup. All mafia are a faction. All WWs are a faction.

[Frozen Angel]

Everyone unvote Jackle right now

[Flubbernugget]

Let's just say Wednesday was an inevitable lynch. She displayed behaviours that we nail where we see them. As it happens, she was also survivor so we learn absolutely nothing from her flip.

We learn that Wednesday was an easy cw for scum as you soon note after this

[Flubbernugget]

Imo, the Wednesday wagon needs to die. Scum thought Wednesday was town, the people who pushed her for betraying inside knowledge on ranger were incorrect objectively so if most of the scum team weren't on the Wednesday wagon then Ima monkey's uncle.

Like this blatantly contradicts your above post but I don't really scum read that contradiction and Idk why

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: smithereens
Uh, yeah.

Why

[Persivul]

Considering the flavor, mod's response, and smither's claim, we either have a mafia faction in addition to the WWs, or a PGO or other gun using role.

[Almost50]

Well I'm sure about the role cop thing based on how you cleared me now ... so I might assume your town as well

Nice. So we need to lynch Persy then (my favourite pick tbh, bc I did promise him that if Starbuck flipped scum).

@FA: See? I'm not pressuring you to do some extra explanation. I take what you say and try to work it out on my own. If I believe you're town there's no need for me to force you to expose too much info if there's no need for it

@All: The above is something about her play with me in general. FA sometimes literally squeezes me for info/explanation until she forces me to roleclaim. She refuses to take any hints until it's too late. Just thought I'd explain the remark directed at here specifically.

Oh, and based on your quoted post:

UNVOTE: Jackal

[Frozen Angel]

Considering the flavor, mod's response, and smither's claim, we either have a mafia faction in addition to the WWs, or a PGO or other gun using role.

WW faction kill never went through - it failed-

we definitely have a mafia faction and a gun using role - thats make smith claim believable , But her role is not alignment indicative -think about mafia vig - ...

[Persivul]

So we need to lynch Persy then (my favourite pick tbh, bc

I did promise him that if Starbuck flipped scum

).

Where did you promise that?

[Almost50]

If everyone is aging "I think FA is town" it wouldn't be hard for anyone to say that they investigated you and you're probably town. It doesn't really prove anything. If he is consistently right about people's roles then he'll be the confirmed cop.

I very much see the point here. Why would an investigator choose to pick FA for their 1st night action anyway? She was being read as town by the majority, and EVEN IF they suspected her themselves it would've been very hard to push a lynch on her if they got a positive result w/o lynching them first. I -for one- would've refused to believe him if he said she was scum.

Let me try to think of the possibilities of each one's alignment for some time, and maybe I will be able to find something.

The thing is during D1 I had more suspects than the maximum possible number of scum.

During the night (that's after the Wednesday flip & before the night action results), I had just about narrowed it down considerably.

Upon the night action flips though, and coupled with the role claims I have less lynch targets than the "assumed" number of scum left in game.

My lynch candidates WERE: Persivul, Jackalk & RC (in that order). Persivul is still arguing well enough (not cornered), Jackal RC'd and is leaning town, and RC is very townish according to FA.

This leaves me confused and undecided, so I DO need more time to think it over.

[Kraeg]

Vote Count:

Jackal711[3] - Ranger, RadiantCowbells, Persivul


Not Voting: Frozen Angel, Smithereens, BlackStar, Flubbernugget, davesaz, Jackal711, Almost50

6 votes are needed for a lynch.

(expired on 2016-01-13 23:24:18)

[Almost50]

He never said he investigated me and he found I'm town. he said he knows my role and because of a clue in last night kills He believes I'm town.

and I as someone who knows my role , I know what is he talking about.

Could you give a clearer hint, or would that be more helpful to scum?? If it would be, then keep it. If it doesn't matter, I want to understand so that I can get a better read on him myself.

[Almost50]

No RC is likely town. at least for now.

Are we playing follow the cop? I need either solid info or -at least- some convincing logic. There's not much room for gut feelings in D2. If you KNOW RC to be town let me know so that I can concentrate on less people to decide my next vote. So far I'm back to "FA, Ranger & Smithereens are off the list" but still open for anyone else's lynch PROVIDED A GOOD CASE is introduced against them.

[Frozen Angel]

RC is like 90% not another WW

I can confirm that.

I won't say anymore. and I request protection tonight.

[Frozen Angel]

and jacke 100% knows my role because of his claim ... and the way he connected the dots to find my alignment is not scum indicative

I won't say anymore

[Almost50]

tree stump and restless soul I guess

Both very much luynchable. Tree Stump could be lynched UNLESS they do claim and get confirmed before it. Restless soul is someone who does get lynched but is still able to vote after having died.

However, there are two modifiers there that could be associated with any role/alignment (except if it results in them becoming unkillable at all): Unlunchable & 1-shot unlynchable.

[Almost50]

thats make smith claim believable , But her role is not alignment indicative -think about mafia vig - ...

This kind of puts her head-to-head with Persivul. I mean, she admitted targeting him, so if she's mafia he can't be, if he is mafia she can't be. There's also the possibility of her being mafia & him being WW. This is even more confusing stuff.

[Frozen Angel]

we don't if there is a redirector is out there. so we can't know if persival was the main target in first place.

this whole argument is wifom based

[Persivul]

No one's going to choose tree stump or restless spirit.

[Persivul]

So we need to lynch Persy then (my favourite pick tbh, bc

I did promise him that if Starbuck flipped scum

).

Where did you promise that?

[Frozen Angel]

lol

your not going to know shep ...

[Frozen Angel]

A tree who lead the town toward the glory! and killed me in day 1

[Almost50]

@Persivul: Check post #720. See if it rings a bell.

[Almost50]

I request protection tonight.

Yes. You, Smithereens, Jackal, and God knows who else. God help the doctor and the redirector.