Micro 583: Kids With Guns (Game Over)

[Bill and Gompers]

/confirm

[Bill and Gompers]

VOTE: NinoMasaki
For obvious opportunism.
~wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

Vig: KainTepes

Might as well do this now.
*fingers crossed that I hit scum and get globally town read as a result*
~wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

And this people is why you should always read the setup first otherwise heartless people like me will use you.
The vig in this setup is a night-action Kain. Also I would never just lol-shoot someone randomly like that.

Kain can be weakly town for that, guess the reaction could be fake but I like doing this to newbies as

I'm a Sadist

they tend to not realise what is happening making the response more genuine.
~wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

Xtoxm, why didn't you vote me if you possibly suspect me of role-fishing if I may ask?
~wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

Kain, calm down. What I did is called a reaction test. I like pulling them and they help to get games rolling, while also letting me have a bit of fun.

This reaction made me chuckle though so you can be slightly more town than slightly town.

@Xtoxm,
Okay, I guess that's plausible. If you want to meta me on pulling this kind of stuff just ask and I'll provide the games you want. Faking vigs is one of my favourite pass times.
~wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

I'm not trying to sweet talk you. If anything I'm trying to teach you something.

Consider the town motivation of my actions for a bit, then see if it makes sense. I hold nothing against agressivness. If you really do think I'm scum care to explain why I am scum?

This will help you walk yourself through your logic and helps others read your thoughts.

@Xtoxm:
I'm afraid I can't answer that due to site rules but rest assured it is not a trust-tell, definitely don't town read me for doing this thing as it may bite you later. (I know this sounds like I'm avoiding an answer but I want to uphold site rules as I as a person dislike trust-tells). All I'm saying is that I've done it a lot recently as town in the games I can provide. I often have to include this disclaimer as site-meta scum reads this kind of play for some odd reason.
~wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

What is a fact that I can answer within site rules though is that all my games I have done it so far I've flipped town. But I've not drawn scum since I started so hey.
~wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

I don't want you to claim, that would be detrimental to the Town. It's good that you know not to claim though.

Also as me wanting to help out newer players take this advice: figuring out who someone's scum partner is isn't good before someone has actually flipped scum. Otherwise you are basing an assumption on an assumption which makes a shaky foundation indeed.
~wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

That's an improvement I guess.

Now think whether it's more likely that I as town just wanted to speed up the game while generating some possible content or me trying to role-fish. Does it make sense for me to so blatantly role-fish? Wouldn't you expect scum to take more caution?

[Bill and Gompers]

Or maybe thats just what you WANT me to think?? But I am very aggressive player, will not back off just because of that!!

I'll give you a guide I think you'll like.

[Bill and Gompers]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... em_Lynched
There it is.

Anyway, I guess I'll have to prove I'm town through play then. This game wouldn't be fun without a challenge though.
~wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

Hi everyone! Aero here! I'm super excited to be Hydra-ing with Wgeurts this game, and this playerlist looks pretty interesting in general so fun-fun.

I'll likely be a bit less active on weekends, but during the week I should be fine. Excitement!

Vig: KainTepes

Might as well do this now.
*fingers crossed that I hit scum and get globally town read as a result*
~wgeurts

HahahahaHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHA

WHY???????????????????
DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING??????
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!

This reaction seems strange to me, actually.

And this people is why you should always read the setup first otherwise heartless people like me will use you.
The vig in this setup is a night-action Kain. Also I would never just lol-shoot someone randomly like that.

Kain can be weakly town for that, guess the reaction could be fake but I like doing this to newbies as

I'm a Sadist

they tend to not realise what is happening making the response more genuine.
~wgeurts

I'm so proud; people really do do this sometimes though if they're a dayvig, unfortunately.

What?? Don't try to sweet-talk me, you scum!! EVERYONE VOTE FOR BILL AND ROMPERS!!

I am a VERY AGGRESSIVE player, I will not let you get away just because you pretend to town read me!!

This is where Wgeurts and I differ a bit; this particular post doesn't come off as genuine to me, especially the last sentence. It's almost as if he's

trying

to be an aggressive player, and making sure we all know it.

Because obviously you were trying to get me to reveal my role??? Only scum will want a town to claim on Day 1!!

NinoMNasaki is Bill and Gompers scummate PROBABLY! VOTE: NINOMASAKI

Who are you

Or maybe thats just what you WANT me to think?? But I am very aggressive player, will not back off just because of that!!

Again with the "I'm in AGGRESSIVE PLAYER LOOK AT ME"

Will talk to Wg about it, but I'm not feeling super good about Kain. NinoMasaki's logic makes sense to me right now, but I'm likely baised because they're calling us town, so I know they're right.

Will post more tonight I think; going to go see Hail, Caesar! Will post a full movie review in-thread when I return.


--Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

What do you mean Who Are You??

Here, I've created a strawpoll for you to better answer this question

http://strawpoll.me/6855382


--- Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

omg fuck me

-A

[Bill and Gompers]

Why Bill and Gompers say I am slightly townie then SUDDENLY say I am pretending aggressive?? Jumping opinions around is very suspicious, happy with my vote

Because we are two different people; Aeronaut and Wguerts; currently, Wguerts thinks your reactions are town-indicative, and I disagree.

VOTE: BAG

NM is probstown tbh

I actually think Kain is probs Town, just kind of new. I don't think scum trying to act aggressive will shout I AM AGGRESSIVE all over the place; it attracts attention more often than not which isn't what scum wants. Kain is clearly new, judging by his join date, and his actions don't make sense as newbie scum.

More people need to post.

Eh. I don't know. I feel like a newbscum would be more likely to make an aggressive persona to look better, than someone who was more experienced.

Speaking of which, there seem to be a weirdly high number of newbies in this game. I'm not sure whether that's gonna be good for town, or bad. Maybe both?

I am NOT new I have played over 1000 GAMES on TOS and I am GOOD at catching evil roles and strategy but this is my first time on this Site,

Although, you being from another site might mean that this is more of a meta thing than anything.

I VOTED HIM BECAUSE IT IS OBVIOUS HE IS EVIL WHEN HE KEEP SWITCHING HIS VIEWS IT IS LIKE HE SUDDENLY BECAME JESTER

You are SO obviously his scummate!!

You gotta calm yourself though.

The Bill and Gompers votes are all pretty silly, no offense.

1. We're barely out of RVS, WTF do you expect?

2. What's silly about my vote on them?

Hmmmm.... I'm not really fan of Persivul right here. On one hand, he's making a serious vote on us, but then he's pulling the "We're just barely out of RVS so these votes are all silly!" bs.

Like, i feel like 1. and 2. are contradictions here. He's saying "oh, yea, you're right, all the votes on them are silly, because we're barely out of RVS!", and then saying "But mine's not silly!"

VOTE: Persivul

1. We're not lynching BAG this early. Calm yourselves. Looked at several of Aero's games and he seems to intelligent to just throw away. Obviously this goes both ways but, why? Naked votes hiding behind RVS excuses are lazy and sad.

2. VOTE: Kain

Indoor voices, please.

As flattered as I am that our hydra looks experienced to you, that's the wrong way to look at it. You don't know that we're scum or town, yet you're focusing more on letting us live because we've been around longer.

Which games did you look at specifically?

I'd rather me be lynched than BAG. Aero's got way more experience than I do, and, if town, would be more useful.

I'll even self-hammer if I'm feeling randy.

Vig, shoot Kain this night phase, if he isn't lynched. Can't stand loud drivel with zero content.

I'm so confused.. why play if you want to hammer yourself?


--Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

The above post is all me!

-Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

This isn't a newbie game. Not liking gurts playing the teacher role. Seems like a way to get town cred without actually scum hunting.

VOTE: B and G

I will actually try to help out newer players whenever I can as either alignment. When I first joined the site this didn't happen a lot and as a result it took a while to learn just through experience.

[Bill and Gompers]

because policy lynching is a real option in this 8-player game of ours.

Please give a real vote and come back to me, Mae.

--Aeronauttttt

[Bill and Gompers]

Kain, Maestro thinks you're behaving erratically and thinks this will end up harming the town. Hence the vote.

List your top two suspects and top two town reads. Please explain them as well.
~wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

It could be mafia playing wifom -

hey, mafia wouldn't call attention to themselves like this, so I'm going to do it

. You could get lynched or vigged for it, so if you're town, it's an anti-town play.

For some reason I really doubt Not_Mafia's scum game is this good. Like this is some really next-level crumpets to pull before the game has even started. The way Not_Mafia is reacting also doesn't terribly seem like a way Mafia would react as well.

@Kain,
Stop being so erratic and jumping all over the place. Every time you vote someone try to explain why you are voting them. I'm starting to have my doubts on you due to the way you are behaving. Care to prove me otherwise?

Until then:
VOTE: KainTepes

Also I believe me and Aeronaut are still awaiting a response from lovelygiant about which of Aero's games she was talking about?
¬wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

I mean being aggressive doesn't mean you play erratically and irrationally. Use it to push scum and make them squirm to receive information and evaluate it.

[Bill and Gompers]

Oh I'm definitely an x-Shot Arsonist that gains a shot every time someone posts a picture of a cat.

[Bill and Gompers]

Not_Mafia, top three town reads and top two scum reads? Gun-to-head?

[Bill and Gompers]

You too Maestro, come out of the dark my friend.

pr-edit: Darn, we would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids.

Seriously though, respond to my post about asking you for reads.
¬wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

Not_Mafia, top three town reads and top two scum reads? Gun-to-head?

ScumBAG and lovelygiant scum, Persivul town. Those are my reads

Nevermind that last post.
care to explain them?

[Bill and Gompers]

I was just joking... if you believe Not_mafia is joking then you should also believe I am joking,

VOTE: Bill and Gompers

for opportunistic voting!!

Why did you vote Not_Mafia?

[Bill and Gompers]

Your majesty,
Aero is slightly suspicious of that slot as well and we are waiting for them to speak.
¬wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

The one that was swooning over how experienced me and Aero are.
Us being new to this kind of behaviour we are naturally sceptical of our first fanboy/gal.

[Bill and Gompers]

I'm happy for now with Nino being town.

pr-edit: No Not_Mafia, I want to burn some KITTENS (God this is sick, but it's a reference to a Varsoon game I was in which still makes me laugh). Also Not_Mafia I need some advice here. Now that you've caught me do I buddy someone hard or bus my partner hard? Maybe Suicide Bombing them would a way to solve this. I don't want to be a bad guy no more.

Suicide Bomb: Lovely

@Kain,
But why do you think he was being serious?

[Bill and Gompers]

I'm not breaking any rules for breaking setups.

[Bill and Gompers]

Does that mean BAG is not suicide bomber, because he said suicide bomb but lovely did not die??

Probably. The mod kinda sorta made an out so that we can't conclude that with 100% certainty, but it seems likely. Which raises the question: if he's town and legitimately saw what he thought was a breaking strategy, why didn't he encourage everyone to do it?

BAG = goon, NM = suicide bomber.

UNVOTE:

Not in any way shape or form.

Maestro, what's your pers read right now?

-Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

By the way, we're not really going to be lynch today, so please stop wasting your vote pers. Just because we think you're scum doesn't mean you can mislynch us.

--Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

Not what I said; granted, you claimed, and there hasn't been a CC. But I called you out before, and now suddenly you're back on us. And I'm telling you that you should take your vote somewhere else.

-A

[Bill and Gompers]

Maestro, what's your pers read right now?

-Aero

Maestro isn't in right now, please leave a message with his secretary after an ISO and the beep.

Beep bitch

Alrighty then.

VOTE: Maestro

Please start talking. All you've contributed is "we should policy lynch Kane!"

By the way, we're not really going to be lynch today, so please stop wasting your vote pers. Just because we think you're scum doesn't mean you can mislynch us.

--Aero

Bad play to continue to scum read a claimed PR in an open setup. Thanks for confirming my read.

Calm down. Not everybody has had a chance to post and CC or not-CC.

/not-CC

PEDIT: Telling him that in mucho cocky fashion, too, it seems.[/quote]
For the record, i'm not CCing him either. I actually kind of feel like claiming vig as scum in this setup would be stupid, so I guess I believe that claim for now.

--Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

Not what I said; granted, you claimed, and there hasn't been a CC. But I called you out before, and now suddenly you're back on us. And I'm telling you that you should take your vote somewhere else.

-A

I'll take it to NM if you go their first.

Does NM not look like lynchbait to you?

I'm fine taking it to them maybe D2 if we're all still here, but NM is never going to contribute more than they are. If you'd like examples, look at Space Invaders 3, I got really pissed off at him there for it.

Maestro, on the other hand, seems like someone who is just blatently not giving info for some reason.

--Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

When I say NM, I'm referring to not_mafia, by the way.


I don't know what L we're at, but someone needs to unvote before we get quicklynched.

[Bill and Gompers]

Jesus you people reaaaaaaly can't read into context.

Unvote me.

-Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

Jesus you people reaaaaaaly can't read into context.

Unvote me.

-Aero

I can, but I don't buy it. If you're IC, just PM the mod. When you're in trouble why soft a claim that's easily provable? If you're successful with the soft, scum know who you are anyway.

Why.

Why just come out and say that.

Maybe I've been hinting because I don't feel like getting killed N1. Imagine how beneficial it would be for the IC to get to like LYLO or something. But hey, that's fine, just keep pushing someone you think may be the IC.

[Bill and Gompers]

--A

[Bill and Gompers]

Sorry, I really probably should have tried to last a little longer before doing that, but like i'd rather we stop wasting our time here.

Ok, here's the deal, we're going to use as much of the day as possible, here. Right now, Maestro looked bad, and N_M looks bad now to me. both of them trying to push this lynch through way too aggressively, especially N_M. Pers is town. We're town. Everyone else, undecided.

I'll be home at a computer late tonight.

-Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

UNVOTE: for now.

[Bill and Gompers]

Nino strikes me as town right now too.

-A

[Bill and Gompers]

Why.

Why just come out and say that.

Maybe I've been hinting because I don't feel like getting killed N1. Imagine how beneficial it would be for the IC to get to like LYLO or something. But hey, that's fine, just keep pushing someone you think may be the IC.

Sorry, too risky to let that go on a soft claim, it would have been a good scum play. But guess what - if we don't hit scum we're in MYLO or LYLO

tomorrow

, and when there's no CC we're both conftown, and they can't take us both out without using the bomb.

And hey, maybe you shouldn't have fucked around with the fake bomb if you didn't want to draw attention to yourself.

Tbh that was Wguerts, but it got some good reactions so it was actually pretty beneficial.

That's true, they woulda just killed you though. So either way we'll have at least one conftown tomorrow.

-Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

I suggest that everyone vote their main read, but also

FOS:

their next scum read, so I can take that into consideration for the vig shot.

Smart. ^

That's true, they woulda just killed you though. So either way we'll have at least one conftown tomorrow.

Yup. Now, what do you think of Not Mafia's call for the speed lynch on you?

I really don't like it; I'm going to wait for Wgeurt's input before we vote though.

Does that mean BAG is not suicide bomber, because he said suicide bomb but lovely did not die??

Probably. The mod kinda sorta made an out so that we can't conclude that with 100% certainty, but it seems likely. Which raises the question: if he's town and legitimately saw what he thought was a breaking strategy, why didn't he encourage everyone to do it?

BAG = goon, NM = suicide bomber.

UNVOTE:

I don't know who to vote?? But persivul looks scummy,

VOTE: MAESTRO

Persivul is conftown.

-Aeronaut

[Bill and Gompers]

I don't know who to vote?? But persivul looks scummy,

VOTE: MAESTRO

This is exactly what a PL was engineered for...

Do you understand that we don't have a lot of room for error in this game? If this game was in NY and we had 21 players, then yea I'd be right with you, but no, we're not policy lynching someone and going straight to LYLO.


For me personally, N_M is the scummiest, and Maestro is my FOS.

-Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

Do you think Kain is scum, Maestro?

From my PoV, just with PoE, yes. But my problem with people like him is I have absolutely no way of

reliably

reading them and I'd rather get an antiTown Village Idiot out of the way then fuck around and hope he's Town. Convince me and I could go for Not_Mafia pretty easily.

This is some BS; First, it's a policy lynch. Next, it's "oh he's scum due to POE". There's no way you've POEd this game at eight players.

How do you know Persivul is town??

VOTE: Persivul

plz go away


-a

[Bill and Gompers]

@Mae

The one we just finished where Gale was an idiot

Hey here's something interesting; how come you didn't want to PL him? He was almost worst in some regards?

-A

[Bill and Gompers]

I suppose you did want him lynched actually so eh

-A

Pedit: @Mae

[Bill and Gompers]

I wasn't really paying as much attention to that fight in that game because I was scum :/

-A

[Bill and Gompers]

mod, what's the mechanic for the suicide bomber?

The suicide bomber must type

Suicide Bomb: Target

in thread. As this was not clarified this is how I will proceed:
-If the suicide bomb has been used correctly at this point, the bomber may PM me to confirm or retract their action.
-If the suicide bomb has not been used correctly at this point, there will be no action taken.
-If the suicide bomb has not been activated, any future falsified uses will be a mod-killable offense.

Confirmed we are now 50% less likely scum lol.

[Bill and Gompers]

Make that 100% less likely scum now, heh.
¬wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

Why.

Why just come out and say that.

Maybe I've been hinting because I don't feel like getting killed N1. Imagine how beneficial it would be for the IC to get to like LYLO or something. But hey, that's fine, just keep pushing someone you think may be the IC.

Sorry, too risky to let that go on a soft claim, it would have been a good scum play. But guess what - if we don't hit scum we're in MYLO or LYLO

tomorrow

, and when there's no CC we're both conftown, and they can't take us both out without using the bomb.

And hey, maybe you shouldn't have fucked around with the fake bomb if you didn't want to draw attention to yourself.

I literally fake-vigged someone at the start of the game.

[Bill and Gompers]

Don't call me an idiot I am not an idiot

After this game finishes I want to talk Mafia theory with you, you may not be an idiot but if you're town you are drawing some faulty conclusions.

[Bill and Gompers]

He keeps quoting the same post. Why, God, why.

Maybe Kain is trying to play this game with a 1994 computer

or like a portable CD player or something

-A

[Bill and Gompers]

Honestly, there's definitely scum between Mae and n_m.

-a

[Bill and Gompers]

Kain isn't today's lynch, he's one to be considered later on. I would want Lonley to post before going there as well.

I honestly don't know how to read Not_Mafia but Aeronaut does so I'll trust his word there. Maestro is looking off to me right now though.
¬wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

VOTE: Maestro

This is what I want to do today.

[Bill and Gompers]

-Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

UNVOTE:

jeeze guys.

Ok I have some stuff to look at.


-Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

Maestro, what are your reads right now?

-A

[Bill and Gompers]

Which one of Maestro-N_M would get us more information as a lynch, pers?

-A

[Bill and Gompers]

@Mod

we're also voting for Maestro. He is L-1.

-Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

Oh... awk

VOTE: Maestro.

Been pretty sure of this for awhile now.


-Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

Jeez.

-A

[Bill and Gompers]

I've gotten some exams out of the way, I apologise for the lack of my presence the last few days.

I'm rereading the thread and will give thoughts after doing so, kindly don't end the day before then please as we won't likely live to see the day tomorrow.
~wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

Hi everyone, Aero here. I know we've been a bit inactive; I believe Wgeurts has just been very busy, and I myself have had a really not-great week (which you really already kind of know about, Pers), so yea we've been not very helpful.

I'm going to take a good look at this game right now, though, since I have some free time.

UNVOTE:

-Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

In my experience, it is.

Then your experience is limited in scope and/or you are
applying it in a way that is not helping you read me efficiently.

*stares long and hard at 2015 join date before continuing*

Maestro, what are your reads right now?

-A

Coming back to this later.

+1 for BaG not being a twit

It follows from the definition of naked voting that the people who

aren't

naked voting

have

given you something to respond to.

Your tone is lovely and really encourages me to respond to you.

Previously you asked BAG why they want to lynch you, and I said that was scummy. It's scummy because they have given reasons - they don't like your call for a PL in a small game, and didn't buy your PoE explanation. I checked that before I said your response was scummy. You could have checked it too, and replied accordingly, even if it meant a repeat of previous answers. That you didn't do so indicates that you don't want to rehash those issues, and that indicates that you know your explanations for them are weak. So, it was a scummy response - maybe they wouldn't get around to repeating their charges, and then you might look better to others who might not be following closely.

How about no. The fact that I didn't "check" that BaG wanted to lynch me because they didn't like my call for PL

DOES NOT FUCKING INDICATE ANYTHING ABOUT MY ALIGNMENT

- it

indicates

(most likely, I can only assume here since it's my fucking brain and they're my fucking posts - I could be wrong and you could be right here, after all) that I definitely remembered that BaG said that, and it

indicates

that I didn't consider those valid reasons

AT ALL

to want to lynch me with the kind of righteous, simple-minded, subjective fervor that I'm seeing coagulate here on my wagon.

I don't give a flying fuck if it's a small game, but clearly that's somewhere wherein you and me and BaG (HAH THAT RHYMED) all disagree. And you are going to have to

FUCKING LIVE WITH THAT

but here's the think, you pretentious gun-toting little twit: it's not scummy to

HAVE AN OPINION

. It's not even scummy for me to have an opinion that doesn't align perfectly with yours or with BaG's, just because you both happen to be confirmed Town. Whoopdeefuckingbullshiteedoo. This is an opinion I have had for a long time on this site, and it is an opinion with a fucking wonderful basis in fact (unlike some being posted in this game). The contention that a policy lynch is not valid simply because this is a small game is a fallacy. Is it the best idea? Almost never, hence it being referred to as "policy" rather than "optimal", especially in a small game.

Was I ever thinking I'd get tons of support? Nope!

Or that it would be a permanent fixture for my vote today? Fuck-nope, but nobody asked me about that shit. And I haven't hit my stride and grappled onto a better place to stick my vote, except for (briefly) with BaG. This far into Day 1 I shouldn't have to explain that to you with so many choice words.

Ok, Maestro, here's something I don't understand. If you knew you wouldn't get that much support on policy lynching, why try to do that? Why push it for so long? That doesn't add up to me.

Secondly; do you think Kain is scum right now; and why. Sorry if this comes up later, if so, just link me.

-Aero

[Bill and Gompers]

ew sorry for quoting that entire post

-A

[Bill and Gompers]

Ok.... ignore that for now.

I have some things to say about lovely giant.

Consider my vote on N_M right now. I understand we do have this vig shot, so I'd like to look through the other people in the game first.

-A

[Bill and Gompers]

Good thing the Conf-Town is back from the dead then.
¬wgeurts

Dang it, WHY MUST I SLIP IN EVERY GAME

[Bill and Gompers]

Okay, read up. Now to ISO everyone and analyse everything in detail.
¬wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

Bill and Gompers - Literally an Innocent Child

This should be pretty obvious by now but I'm just restating this to waggle it in your faces once more. Your fault for wagoning us early-game...

Persivul - Uncounterclaimed Vigilante

This dude is confirmed town sadly, despite having wagoned the Innocent Child! All hail the King!

Not_Mafia - Could See Him As Scum But Meh

Not_Mafia's pre-game post (6) is a little odd but could just be a joke. According to Aeronaut he has more of a "jokey" play-style so I'm not assigning too much worth to this one post of his. He hasn't exactly been a beacon of towness in the rest of his play though; really the only thing I partially like about his play is his lovely vote as I didn't really like the way he was heading early game. He's been messing around and not showing a lot of town-drive behind his actions. Currently his play seems to just be him throwing around votes to see what may stick. I won't lie though, he doesn't seem tremendously scummy either. I know Aeronaut wasn't happy with him however I can't help but shrug off the feeling that this is just how he plays.

Xtoxm - Leaning Town on This Dude

Xtoxm's first three posts (16, 20 and 21) seem okay at first glance but there's one thing I want explaining. If he thought that I was possibly role-fishing (which is something scum would do) how can he at the same time have thought I was the vigilante making a mistake? It's a minor contradiction really but something that I noticed. Besides that I can see some town-motivation behind them, there's him figuring out people which is always good. I also quite like him inquiring into my history of using that gambit I (ab)used, especially as he uses my response to continue seemingly form reads in post 44.
Post 360 is objectivity a good post and just backs up the prior mentioned points.

I'm not a great fan of his unvote though, I would like to see him place it back somewhere and some more posts containing thoughts on anyone would be nice. If Kain ever flips scum people should definitely revisit this read. He can be town for now though.

lovelygiant - This Guy Is Suspicious

Right, lovely's opening posts 63 and 67 are weird as fudge. Not only do we have him defending us for pretty much no reason we also have him assigning weird context to a naked vote by Not_Mafia. There's also the issue of the contradiction where he says he read "several" of Aeronaut's games in post 64 and later in 291 she says she read one. This could potentially be seen as her buddying town for town-credit, if so then lol as that backfired with us being the Innocent Child. This theory also holds up with him saying "Look at me, I knew they were an IC and I defended them because of that" in post 279. Why he also refuses to vote his scum read Kain who she "would vig if he were the vig" is also beyond me. His vote on Maestro in post 369 is also kind of bad and if Maestro does get lynched today people should definitely look towards lovely. The move back to NM also feels opportunistic and it's weird how he is completely ignoring or pushing his scum read on Kain in exchange for following others. Him saying that everyone that defends NM is outing themselves as scum is also slimy as heck.

If NM flips town you should lynch this guy with fire. His alignment can't be determined now but it can easily be figured with a flip or two.

KainTepes - The F#&% Is This Guy?

Who on earth is this guy and from which planet did he come from? I also refuse to believe he's a mature adult if he's being serious, otherwise he's just a troll. His voting has been erratic, opportunistic and generally awful. His logic behind votes has been irrational, downright horrendous and laughable. There is literally nothing more I need to say on this matter as that fully describes his play this game so far.

Not happy with lynching him right now though.

Also:
@Kain,
If you are seriously playing this game and aren't doing this BLLAAARG I'M A BARBARIAN VIKING THAT HAS HAD TOO MUCH STEROIDS as a joke I really want to talk mafia theory with you post-game and maybe willing to hydra with you to show you how to improve. As your play isn't good at all or productive right now.

Maestro - Town.

This guy is town.
Period.

NinoMasaki- Town

I'm bored, this person is town and if anyone reaaaalllly wants to discuss this go ahead an ask why.

[Bill and Gompers]

NM is the correct lynch today, later days should focus on using associative tells to PoE any other scum.

[Bill and Gompers]

Well this sucks, but I work best with associative tells and those fools left the confirmed-town alive so let's catch some scum and win this.
¬wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

I'm going to reread the thread and note how everyone positioned themselves towards Maestro, Not_Mafia and really early on: Persivul.

[Bill and Gompers]

Also, called Maestro being town and demand town-credit for it/

[Bill and Gompers]

It's Kain and Lovely and I'm currently willing to bet my cash (if I could) and integrity as a Mafia player right now on this.
VOTE: Lovely
¬wgeurts

[Bill and Gompers]

I'll make a later post on why Xtoxm and Nino are town and why the other two are scum. I'm really certain here.