Open 645: C9++ - Game Over

[LicketyQuickety]

Ümläüt

That's one of the best damn reasons to RVS someone IMO.

But nah. I'm going for the last to confirm who I don't think would do that as Town.

VOTE: Riddleton

[LicketyQuickety]

WTF is this guy doing at L-2 already?

[LicketyQuickety]

Ümläüt LIVES. WE MUST PROTECT THE DOTS ABOVE HIS NAME. ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THIS RULE IS SUBJECT TO BEFALLING THE ENTIRE TOWN WITH DEATH.

AND YOURSELF

don't be useless this game, thanks.

[LicketyQuickety]

Ümläüt LIVES. WE MUST PROTECT THE DOTS ABOVE HIS NAME. ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THIS RULE IS SUBJECT TO BEFALLING THE ENTIRE TOWN WITH DEATH.

AND YOURSELF

don't be useless this game, thanks.

I'm being plenty useful, fuck off kindly.

Yeah, so far so good. I did like to see you vote my way.

[LicketyQuickety]

So I can take it you won't be following my vote...?

Then I'm not gonna make one

Fine leave your vote on the IC. Beautiful play, bravo.

[LicketyQuickety]

Someone else get in here. I don't much like playing 3rd wheel.

P-Edit: I hope that makes sense to IC or we are in big trouble.

[LicketyQuickety]

WTF is this guy doing at L-2 already?

Ümläüt LIVES. WE MUST PROTECT THE DOTS ABOVE HIS NAME. ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THIS RULE IS SUBJECT TO BEFALLING THE ENTIRE TOWN WITH DEATH.

AND YOURSELF

don't be useless this game, thanks.

Ümläüt LIVES. WE MUST PROTECT THE DOTS ABOVE HIS NAME. ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THIS RULE IS SUBJECT TO BEFALLING THE ENTIRE TOWN WITH DEATH.

AND YOURSELF

don't be useless this game, thanks.

I'm being plenty useful, fuck off kindly.

Yeah, so far so good. I did like to see you vote my way.

So I can take it you won't be following my vote...?

Then I'm not gonna make one

Fine leave your vote on the IC. Beautiful play, bravo.

There's my reasoning

You omitted the part where he voted the guy I want to kill

Someone else get in here. I don't much like playing 3rd wheel.

P-Edit: I hope that makes sense to IC or we are in big trouble.

I guess we're fucked then.

Nope, looks like we are not because it seems you value playing to your win con higher than sheeping someone just because they are your friend.

[LicketyQuickety]

Zach stop leading mislynches and vote for transcend already

And just how would you know what's a mislynch and what's not?

VOTE: Dunnstral

I don't like this.

FoS Dave.

[LicketyQuickety]

Zach stop leading mislynches and vote for transcend already

And just how would you know what's a mislynch and what's not?

VOTE: Dunnstral

I don't like this.

FoS Dave.

Why don't you like it?
How should someone read the comment I replied to?

Too easy.

[LicketyQuickety]

Zach stop leading mislynches and vote for transcend already

And just how would you know what's a mislynch and what's not?

VOTE: Dunnstral

I don't like this.

FoS Dave.

Why didn't you vote him?

Because I rather keep my vote where it is currently.

I would vote Lickety but people IGNORING THIS KAPPY THING (save for like ONE PERSON) IS BUGGING THE HECK OUT OF ME> S?!?!

Explain the Kappy thing. Why would you want to vote me for ignoring the Kappy thing when almost everyone else has done the same?

being to harsh on jokes is like the scummiest thing ever

i would know i rarely get jokes but i get them less when im scum cause im always ready to POUNCE

What is your read on me?

Why don't you like it?
How should someone read the comment I replied to?

Too easy.

If we were 2-3 days into the phase (and therefore more material available) this might hold water, but we don't even have a post from everyone yet.

So what do you think of me questioning you on it? Why shouldn't I question you on it? What do you get out of even mentioning what Dunn did? Couldn't you just see how things develop? Cuz it looks like you are basically just setting up how this argument goes knowing someone will question you on it so you can argue with them to make them look scummy.

Did I say Bins tier?
Sorry.
{Dunnstral, Zachstral}
{Riddleton, Smithereens, davesaz}
{Bins}
{Kappy, Umlaut}
{a plain farmer}
{Loopdan}
{LicketyQuickety}
I mean Zachstral tier.
3.
VOTE: LicketyQuickety.

Haven't seen you give a reason for this vote yet..

Alright seems legit

VOTE: LickityQuickety

What's legit about it?

Smith, Ranger always post super-early read lists like that and she does surprisingly well at it. See e.g. Blitz 15.

I mean, she kind-of townread one of the wolves who went on to win that game, but she also had scum in her very bottom spot, so it's better than random.

And what happens when Ranger is Scum?

LQ: I think I know the answer, but was your vote in 5 a serious vote?

As serious as it could be. I haven't moved my vote yet iirc.

WTF is this guy doing at L-2 already?

oh hey this is a bad post and his lynch has momentum


VOTE: LQ

What makes it a bad post? You think getting someone at L-2 on page 1 is a good idea? Explain.

[LicketyQuickety]

WTF is this guy doing at L-2 already?

oh hey this is a bad post and his lynch has momentum


VOTE: LQ

What makes it a bad post? You think getting someone at L-2 on page 1 is a good idea? Explain.

I think the meaning behind that one was your reaction was fabricated and unnecessary

Which it looked like it but I don't think it was...

Why are you answering for other people? What does that accomplish? I am trying to scum hunt and you are getting in the way of that.

[LicketyQuickety]

actually nah the dude's probably shit town. what scum would push on a player based on actions they did BEFORE the game started?

VOTE: kappy

I have caught scum based on a confirm before.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why shouldn't he be at L-2?

VOTE: Dunn
Reverse psychology scum move

LQ you think the player with these 3 posts is the best lynch for today? And I'll be the first to say his actions in the game are NAI. So please drop your "scumread" on him, even though you may be right, before I hate you.

PEDIT: New game, you're not gonna fucking find scum the same way every game. Play the fucking game. Acquire reads, don't bank on a happenstance to occur twice in a row.

Man.

Pardon me, but shut the fuck up. I will play the way I want. the player in question hasn't given me a reason to take my vote off of them yet.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why shouldn't he be at L-2?

VOTE: Dunn
Reverse psychology scum move

LQ you think the player with these 3 posts is the best lynch for today? And I'll be the first to say his actions in the game are NAI. So please drop your "scumread" on him, even though you may be right, before I hate you.

PEDIT: New game, you're not gonna fucking find scum the same way every game. Play the fucking game. Acquire reads, don't bank on a happenstance to occur twice in a row.

Man.

Pardon me, but shut the fuck up. I will play the way I want. the player in question hasn't given me a reason to take my vote off of them yet.

i like this guy.

he can't scumhunt worth a damn.

but i like this guy.

Please tell me all the game you have played with me as evidence of this, thx.

[LicketyQuickety]

Anyways IMO LQ is town, even though I think it's fair for people to interpret his posts as scummy.

Dunn/Zach let's get Kappy

Kappy I'm asking people to sheep me. Am I scum too? Can I have a paragraph of bullshit made by you?

What makes me Town?

[LicketyQuickety]

because like i said, i doubt that your main scumread as scum is on someone who's had 3 posts none of which alignment-indicative and your read on him is based on PREGAME. plus your tone probably suggests you're town.

What makes you think I even have a top Scum read? I said the person hasn't given me a reason to take my vote off them yet.

you are not a great player, I can tell that right now.

Anyways, I have a town read on you for really no reason.

[LicketyQuickety]

because like i said, i doubt that your main scumread as scum is on someone who's had 3 posts none of which alignment-indicative and your read on him is based on PREGAME. plus your tone probably suggests you're town.

What makes you think I even have a top Scum read? I said the person hasn't given me a reason to take my vote off them yet.

you are not a great player, I can tell that right now.

Anyways, I have a town read on you for really no reason.

i assumed it was your top sr because you gave an actual fos on dave but applied no pressure i.e. no vote to it and just continued to sit on your riddleton vote.

That's enough for me to switch my vote.

VOTE: Transcend

[LicketyQuickety]

honestly, you're scumtelling so much that you can't even possibly be scum here.

1. advocating for a lynch on riddleton for shit reasons
2. voting me right after you say you townread me.

like... please tell me you're not being blatant scum like that. I feel like if you were mafia you'd do a better job at fabricating your posts. But these both look like genuine (albeit not very good) lines of thought.

I have a scum read on you for a number of reasons and my giving you a town read

for no reason, which I stated

is part of that.

[LicketyQuickety]

I like the unvote, but why not vote someone in the game?

What do you think about Lickety?

I repeat myself. What is your read on me?

[LicketyQuickety]

Why don't you like it?
How should someone read the comment I replied to?

Too easy.

If we were 2-3 days into the phase (and therefore more material available) this might hold water, but we don't even have a post from everyone yet.

So what do you think of me questioning you on it? Why shouldn't I question you on it? What do you get out of even mentioning what Dunn did? Couldn't you just see how things develop? Cuz it looks like you are basically just setting up how this argument goes knowing someone will question you on it so you can argue with them to make them look scummy.

Having a conversation on it is good.
I didn't say you shouldn't ask, I said your stated reason for not liking it (too easy) is weak at that point in the game.
What do I get from it? I see whether Dunn or others panic at the suggestion he's scum.
The whole point of the game is to accuse people and see what they do.

Why would Dunn panic so easily?

[LicketyQuickety]

I like the unvote, but why not vote someone in the game?

What do you think about Lickety?

I repeat myself. What is your read on me?

Oh, yeah, I read your post but forgot to respond to it.


I'm scumreading you.

Also, I might vote you now that Kappy replaced out. Transcend stop being so scary.

But I have to go to work so you're safe for now.

I don't like this play. Dropping a scum read, saying they might vote it and then leaving the thread.

[LicketyQuickety]

I've been saying I'm scumreading / would vote you for a long time now, mate.

Also, I can't help I have to leave.

I'd rather not vote, come back to something and then have to change my mind again. Takes a lot of self-convincing to move a vote early game for me.

What's the reasoning behind the scumread on me?

[LicketyQuickety]

I've been saying I'm scumreading / would vote you for a long time now, mate.

Also, I can't help I have to leave.

I'd rather not vote, come back to something and then have to change my mind again. Takes a lot of self-convincing to move a vote early game for me.

What's the reasoning behind the scumread on me?

the Kappy thing is Null.

[LicketyQuickety]

vanity wagon

Vote transcend

Reason?

Hmmm asking his scumread why to vote someone. Not sure what to make of it, probably dismissing it as null.

At this point all reads are weak. I have reason to suspect him and want to see what my vote will provoke, but need more info. The request for votes seems rather empty, so I was trying to probe if there was a reason behind it that I just didn't see.

Zach stop leading mislynches and vote for transcend already

And just how would you know what's a mislynch and what's not?

VOTE: Dunnstral

I don't like this.

FoS Dave.

"yo dave... dude.... i don't really like your vote lol... i think ur scummy i fos u lol....


oh, but riddleton was last to confirm his role he's gotta eat rope lol... ha"

i feel like if you were scum you'd probably make more of a push on dave than you did here. i think your fos here is justified, i think you should've thrown a vote his way or something, but it is what it is.

I often see scum do a dance around people just like what LQ did.

Cast a little suspicion, wait till someone agrees, then sheep the case the other person makes.

The followup dialogue with LQ makes me doubt he's scum, but still got my eye on him.

There is no evidence to support that that is what I'm doing. Casting shade much? Very noncommittal read. Basically you are leaving yourself open to jump on board my wagon if one occurs.

[LicketyQuickety]

There is no evidence to support that that is what I'm doing. Casting shade much? Very noncommittal read. Basically you are leaving yourself open to jump on board my wagon if one occurs.

The purpose of my post was to tell Transcend not to use "FOS without vote" by itself as AI.
I'm very open about early reads being noncommittal, and always am. I even said it myself...

At this point all reads are weak.

transcend can answer for himself but I see no indication that he doesn't understand how a FoS works. So even if its the case that you are explaining that to him, its unneeded info. On the flip side of the coin, you could be creating a strawman for arguing something that doesn't have anything to do with what my argument is.

And I know you said your reads are weak early, I can read. But this dismisses the point that I said you could be waiting to see who jumps on my wagon, which you never talked about. The fact that you choose to argue that your reads are weak rather than arguing that you are not just seeing who jumps on my wagon is telling.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why don't you like it?
How should someone read the comment I replied to?

Too easy.

If we were 2-3 days into the phase (and therefore more material available) this might hold water, but we don't even have a post from everyone yet.

So what do you think of me questioning you on it? Why shouldn't I question you on it? What do you get out of even mentioning what Dunn did? Couldn't you just see how things develop? Cuz it looks like you are basically just setting up how this argument goes knowing someone will question you on it so you can argue with them to make them look scummy.

Having a conversation on it is good.
I didn't say you shouldn't ask, I said your stated reason for not liking it (too easy) is weak at that point in the game.
What do I get from it? I see whether Dunn or others panic at the suggestion he's scum.
The whole point of the game is to accuse people and see what they do.

Why would Dunn panic so easily?

Let the record show dave never answered this.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why would Dunn panic so easily?

Let the record show dave never answered this.

Let the record show that I didn't notice it.
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Also note the "and others".

Why didn't you notice it? Sometimes who does what? "and others" I was asking you not others.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why would Dunn panic so easily?

Let the record show dave never answered this.

Let the record show that I didn't notice it.
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Also note the "and others".

Why didn't you notice it? Sometimes who does what? "and others" I was asking you not others.

1. Because it came in while I was posting a reply to an earlier post. I hit preview to verify the tags on what I wrote but didn't notice another new post had come in. After that point it was no longer new, so when I hit the "new posts" icon for the thread it positioned at a later point. Before you get snippy about this, I never lie about RL things like the mechanics of how I read threads and post.

2. Sometimes the target panics, sometimes they don't.

3. I previously said that I want to see what the target does, and what others do. It's interesting to see who ignores it, who agrees with it, and who overreacts. (that would be you btw)

4.

Why are you taking such an interest in an exchange that doesn't affect you?

(I think I know the answer and I'm not scumreading you atm, but still interested in what you actually say)

Pedit @farmer: Yeah, once in a while there is an exception to the "Ranger's reads are relative" rule.

Pedit2: And slip ups like that can be a scumtell for Ranger, if indeed it is a slip. She makes a point of doing the read list thing as either alignment. Caution though, I hard scumread her for unnaturally strong town reads in a previous game and she turned up town... gonna want a reason for them being in the same tier, and a good one.

Fair enough. This was a good response and makes me feel a little better about you.

4) I am taking an interest in what doesn't involve me because this particular thing caught my eye and I think its good to investigate it. I do not, however, even notice everything that is going on in games and if I'm being honest, I miss a lot actually.

[LicketyQuickety]

(Actually I'm tempted to vote Kappy just for killing my jokey vote by explaining it.)

take the fruit

VOTE: kappy

RVS vote. You'll see she never gives reasons for staying with this read.

I would vote Lickety but people IGNORING THIS KAPPY THING (save for like ONE PERSON) IS BUGGING THE HECK OUT OF ME> S?!?!

Says they would vote me save for her push (baseless as far as I can see) on Kappy. Doesn't give reason why I am Scum.

no, i mean

my tunneling gets reactions

i find the way people react to tunneling is much different as town and scum

not the person being tunneled

but people going "hey why are you tunneling"



and basically my read on you cant be explained for *reasons not allowed by mafiascum* but i feel i've gone through this all before so i'm just going to wait a bit before i solidify anything because i'm learning you really are just like

this

(this thing that makes people scumread you) right from the get go

Say they are tunneling to get reactions. Previously said no one was paying attention to their push on Kappy. Why keep going after Kappy if this is the case? Offers baseless read.

i don't think dav's logic is as bad as some people's has been

wink wink
nudge nudge

Says daves logic isn't bad and gives cryptic response.

how about the kappy push

wink wink
nudge nudge


And Lickety? Because I'd support that.

Still Pushing the Kappy thing. Agais says I am Sus, but doesn't say why.

I don't see how you can call my push feeble when Transcend is very empty and I can't draw alignment from him at all at this point.

Basically, I didn't like dav's post but I didn't like other posts more. It was really just me tunneling again don't mind me making stabs and stuff. Also, I do feel like it could just be dav. And his logic didn't seem malicious.

Says their push isn't feeble. Looks feeble to me.

you could say "notice how bins isn't considering anyone but kappy as mafia" which would be more valid

but that's just how i play the first few pages of any game i play,

i tunnel someone because i find it gets a lot of reactions from people

not everything has to do with you dunn

I believe the bolded is post-rationalised BS. Can you substantiate the claim that you tunneled with the intention of gaining reactions from others?

In this game? I think I've made it pretty obvious I've been trying to get at least some reaction by acting weird. But Dunn was the only person to pick up on it.

In other games? No, cause I just started this new thing. It's been quite a while since I last played and I'm trying to redefine my playstyle.

Says they are playing weird and that it should be obvious even though they are trying to "redefine" their playstyle.

Too much RL stuff going on. I'm having a hard time keeping up with the quantity of posts and haven't really found a point of entry into this game.

Mod- please replace me out.

*Fist bumps transcend*

We totally did this.

we may have, then again, maybe not.

Smithereens Jun 16, 07:59am Jun 17, 05:05am 0 days 0 hours 22
Transcend Jun 16, 05:43pm Jun 17, 04:47am 0 days 0 hours 25

us.


Dunnstral Jun 16, 12:40pm Jun 17, 02:48am 0 days 2 hours 50
Bins Jun 16, 10:35am Jun 16, 10:07pm 0 days 6 hours 26
Zachstralkita Jun 16, 10:28am Jun 16, 10:01pm 0 days 7 hours 37

them.

ok but something has to be said about 5 posts in a row



I'm still happy with my Kappy vote and will move to Lickety.

Nothing much has changed.

Nothing new here.

16.

My visceral reaction currently to all votes on Dunnstral are negative (gut), but I'm too tired for caps lock.

Basically I'm at the point where either Kappy is scum or he's just completely unaware to everything.

I don't like how he says to others "come vote with me." That doesn't seem like something town would do.

This logic has to be made up.




Side note: I got a lot of town vibes from this post.

Says Kappys logic is made up but doesn't say why.

I like the unvote, but why not vote someone in the game?

What do you think about Lickety?

Nothing new here. Baseless push.

I like the unvote, but why not vote someone in the game?

What do you think about Lickety?

I repeat myself. What is your read on me?

Oh, yeah, I read your post but forgot to respond to it.


I'm scumreading you.

Also, I might vote you now that Kappy replaced out. Transcend stop being so scary.

But I have to go to work so you're safe for now.

Says they would switch to me. Still no reason given for the Scum read on me.

VOTE: bins

[LicketyQuickety]

Bad vote

Bad case too

My reasons for voting her are objectively better than bins reasons.

[LicketyQuickety]

No they're not, that's a super weak case and I don't know why you pulled all that stuff together

Seriously though Bins does have actual reasons, I've been paying attention

Name them, because they are not given.

[LicketyQuickety]

It's like you're looking for a reason to scumread her in all her posts but it's not there

they have not come up with a single reason why they are Scum reading me. Its a baseless push. I view baseless pushes as scummy.

I didn't see bins actually give reasons.. I saw other people give reasons, but not bins.

[LicketyQuickety]

RVS vote. You'll see she never gives reasons for staying with this read.

1) not rvs
2) i do
3) i'm probably gonna mad disrespect your case and not read it

you are not adding a single new thing to this game. You quoted Kappy once and never quoted me.

I will read through your ISO again and see if I can see any reasons for why you are Scum reading Kappy. Still doesn't answer why you are Scum reading me because I know for a fact you never gave a reason for why you are Scum reading me. Not even a bad reason.

P-Edit: I am Scum reading you for not giving a single shred of evidence for your Scum read on me.

[LicketyQuickety]

This is everything that can be remotely considered a reason why bins is Scum reading Kappy

I really like my vote and don't understand why more people didn't like kappys post

Reason being what?

he doesn't do things that will obviously make people want to fucking kill him

does he actively try to make people want to kill him as town cause i seem to always be getting that impression lmfao

I don't think this is a good reason.

I would vote Lickety but people IGNORING THIS KAPPY THING (save for like ONE PERSON) IS BUGGING THE HECK OUT OF ME> S?!?!

What Kappy thing?

being to harsh on jokes is like the scummiest thing ever

i would know i rarely get jokes but i get them less when im scum cause im always ready to POUNCE

Scum reading kappy for being harsh on jokes. This is the best reason given at this point and I'd argue that being too harsh on jokes is not really that great of a Scum tell since it varies from person to person.

16.

My visceral reaction currently to all votes on Dunnstral are negative (gut), but I'm too tired for caps lock.

Basically I'm at the point where either Kappy is scum or he's just completely unaware to everything.

I don't like how he says to others "come vote with me." That doesn't seem like something town would do.

This logic has to be made up.




Side note: I got a lot of town vibes from this post.

Can't tell if you are Town reading Kappy based on the "made up logic" or Scum reading them for it. Explain.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________

Ok but you clearly tried to draw attention to it yourself because nobody was paying attention to you

yeah if it's not obvious i'm trying to follow my usual game plan here but some people are making it super hard

This is just the way I set up my game play for a game. I don't even care if people know. I think tunneling is better than RVS 100% in the first few pages of a game. And I made it clear I was trying to pull reactions from my tunneling. Now I'm looking to either move elsewhere or keep my vote if I like it. And I currently still like it.

you could say "notice how bins isn't considering anyone but kappy as mafia" which would be more valid

but that's just how i play the first few pages of any game i play,

i tunnel someone because i find it gets a lot of reactions from people

not everything has to do with you dunn

I believe the bolded is post-rationalised BS. Can you substantiate the claim that you tunneled with the intention of gaining reactions from others?

In this game? I think I've made it pretty obvious I've been trying to get at least some reaction by acting weird. But Dunn was the only person to pick up on it.

In other games? No, cause I just started this new thing. It's been quite a while since I last played and I'm trying to redefine my playstyle.

This looks like a contradiction. In the first two posts you are basically saying your playstyle this game is business as usual but then say you are trying to "redefine" your playstyle by acting weird and that it should be apparent that you are not playing the same as usual. This needs an explanation.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also, don't tell me that saying "You just bug me" isn't enough, cause that's how you explain your reactions to posts as well:

Zach stop leading mislynches and vote for transcend already

And just how would you know what's a mislynch and what's not?

VOTE: Dunnstral

I don't like this.

FoS Dave.

that's one post. make a wall post of me doing that and we'll be even.

[LicketyQuickety]

BTW, I don't care if my reasons for Scum reading someone are wrong. I do that all the time and am known for it on my home site.

[LicketyQuickety]

you are not adding a single new thing to this game.

1. Untrue
2. Game JUST started
3. There's like 6 other people who have actually added nothing new to the game

1) What did they add that's new?
2) This game has had plenty to digest. We are on like page 14 now right?
3) Name them.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't think this is a good reason.

This is about DUNN


I'm too lazy please imagine I'm responding to everything as no

Aren't you popular to be able to use such an argument.

[LicketyQuickety]

3) Name them.

a plain farmer
Loopdan
Kappy
Riddleton

I don't think I got an answer on 111. At that time why were you voting Transcend and trying to get others to follow?

Because he was scummy and I explained it

Can you quote your explanation?

Transcend's post 78 and 80. That's the only reason I voted him, he had two posts at the time. Stop acting like I need to lay out a solid case

I'm not voting him right now and he's not someone I would vote

That's four people and four is not six last time I checked. And you didn't quote to dave what your reason was. You are not doing much right.

[LicketyQuickety]

four is not six last time I checked

Actually it is.

But if you insist:


a plain farmer
Loopdan
Kappy
Riddleton
LicketyQuickety
Zachstralkita

Pretty sure I shouldn't be included in that group cuz I have had reads others have not at the least.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hence why I only listed four people. Though you still don't seem to care about them

Well I am Town reading a plain farmer and am Null on the others which is why I am not focusing on them right now.

[LicketyQuickety]

I am Town reading a plain farmer

Because he called you town?

Nope, because he voted Riddleton.

[LicketyQuickety]

...?

Riddleton hasn't even done anything, not sure why his rvs vote on riddleton factors in

You say rangers list is legit.. what's legit about it?

[LicketyQuickety]

...?

Riddleton hasn't even done anything, not sure why his rvs vote on riddleton factors in

You say rangers list is legit.. what's legit about it?

I never said that mind you I was talking about the vote on you and asking me to vote you

It is though

Alright seems legit

VOTE: LickityQuickety

Explain what you mean by this post then. What were you thinking was legit at the time of making this post?

Who asked you to vote me? My recollection is that you were trying to get the IC to vote me, not that you were sheeping someone else's vote on me.

[LicketyQuickety]

Rather why are you even asking me that question

I am asking you that because you seem to agree with what ranger said when ranger didn't explain anything in her posts, they just gave a very vague list.

[LicketyQuickety]

By the way the more you talk about the IC the more I believe you're mafia

How is talking about the IC AI? Do you think I have been bringing it up a lot or something? I'm pretty sure that is not the primary thing I have been talking about. Explain.

BTW, you have fair points on that you are sheeping Ranger. Ranger doesn't know my alignment, but the point is seen nonetheless.

[LicketyQuickety]

Ümläüt LIVES. WE MUST PROTECT THE DOTS ABOVE HIS NAME. ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THIS RULE IS SUBJECT TO BEFALLING THE ENTIRE TOWN WITH DEATH.

AND YOURSELF

don't be useless this game, thanks.

So I can take it you won't be following my vote...?

Then I'm not gonna make one

Fine leave your vote on the IC. Beautiful play, bravo.

Someone else get in here. I don't much like playing 3rd wheel.

P-Edit: I hope that makes sense to IC or we are in big trouble.

...?

Riddleton hasn't even done anything, not sure why his rvs vote on riddleton factors in

You say rangers list is legit.. what's legit about it?

I never said that mind you I was talking about the vote on you and asking me to vote you

It is though

Alright seems legit

VOTE: LickityQuickety

Explain what you mean by this post then. What were you thinking was legit at the time of making this post?

Who asked you to vote me? My recollection is that you were trying to get the IC to vote me, not that you were sheeping someone else's vote on me.

I went through my own ISO. I count these to be the only times I talk about the IC in the game. Ctrl + f @IC is hugely misleading since I have an ic in my name so every time I quote someone who has quoted me ic pops up. Also there are a few posts where logic pops up which also has IC in it. I really hope you are not saying that I am constantly mentioning IC based on that Ctrl + F @ IC garbage cuz like I said, hugely misleading.

[LicketyQuickety]

but who am I to dictate your game right???????????

Indeed. I am use to people ignoring my cases so I don't really care if people think its a bad vote. Point is, I think they are scum. I'd wager that it wasn't so much the info that was in the case as much as the way the case was presented. People are fickle like that.

[LicketyQuickety]

the thing is dude, if you REALLY want someone lynched, you're gonna have to convince other people to vote with you. with your attitude (and your case honestly, but mostly your attitude) you're not going to garner much votes. otherwise, you just have a vote floating and no one is going to do anything about it.

Its not my attitude that is the problem. Its that people are selective in what info they deam valid based on how charismatic someone is. bins case on me (or lack thereof) is objectively worse than mine because I provided reasons for my read on them. you can disagree with those reasons all you like because I am not charismatic, but my observations are valid. You can add that bins hasn't had much in the way of observable Scum hunting to my case on them though. I mean, yeah, you can say that they have made stances on people and that is a way of Scum hunting, but it can just as easily be the case that bins is just pushing baselessly on me and seeing if it gets traction. I am lynch bait, so there is a good chance that it very well could pick up traction. And then bins can just say I was acting Scummy and then they get no pressure put on them for lynching me. Ranger falls into the same category as bins in that Ranger hasn't done a lick of Scum hunting and only made stances on people ie. me and that I am Scum with no reasons given. Ranger knows I have a Scummy meta.. I've played 2 games with Ranger, one Town one Scum, so they know I am lynch bait. that's why I think its shitty that Ranger goes after me.

[LicketyQuickety]

Ranger falls into the same category as bins in that Ranger hasn't done a lick of Scum hunting and only made stances on people ie. me and that I am Scum with no reasons given.

there is quite a bit of problems with this


I don't see how you can say we aren't scumhunting. We are. That's what we're doing.

So making baseless pushes is how you Scum hunt?

You haven't voted me yet. Why not?

[LicketyQuickety]

And if you're going to insist Lickety then I'm going to insist you give something more than 'gut feeling.'

Okay. I have an N0 guilty on LicketyQuickety. There ya go. More than gut.

OK I feel stupid for having to state this (and more stupid for you saying it), but there is no N0 in C9++. And I just can't take this seriously because most the time N0 give a VT result and Cop wouldn't out themselves Day 1 and there is not even a guaranteed Cop in the game. The only scenario I can see a reason for a cop to come out day 1 is because they were a 1-shot. But again, I have never seen a game where a 1-shot Cop gets an investigative result N0. I can honestly say this is one of the more bizarre claims I have seen (barring some of the ones I have made tho).

IF YOU ARE COP, DO NOT COUNTER CLAIM THIS!!!

[LicketyQuickety]

(There's a reason 372 is a scumclaim. Free town points to the player who can figure out why!)

Its not a Scum claim. Are you looking for me to vote you because of your claim? I have seen a lot of shit my friend and I've been exposed to my fair share gambits. This is a gambit or a Scum play. But Fuck, if you want to 1v1 me (of all people) over such an asinine idea, go right ahead. One Scum down after my lynch, I would take that trade any day.

P-Edit X3

[LicketyQuickety]

And I don't want to see another person say I am VI or I am going to ask for a replacement.

[LicketyQuickety]

the dude's probably shit town.

As scum, LicketyQuickety

thrives

, absolutely

thrives

in town assuming this. He will throw bad reads around, make a lot of noise, and people will basically go, "terrible" but also "not scum", allowing him to push an incredibly pro-scum agenda and get away with it.

So no.
Not shit town.
Just blatant scum.

So I'll just ask the obvious question here: what do I do as Town?

[LicketyQuickety]

Here is a case I made on MonkeyMan576, a game in which I was Town and he was Scum. No one gave a shit about my case on him, but i was still 100% correct on my read on him. I believe my case on bins is basically the same type of thing here.

In fact, Why don't you just go through my whole ISO of that game so you can get an idea of how I play as Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

I couldn't care less. Bins is town and your case here is bad

OK, I'll try something different.

Why is bins Town?

[LicketyQuickety]

how does he play as town?

A bit of a nut, admittedly.
He hydraed with Titus to learn from her and get better at moonlogic.
Dead serious.

But as scum, he hyper-exaggerates these traits.

You are wrong dear. Titus wanted to Hydra with me for who knows what reason.

And I think you have played 2 games with me that were played in 2015. Want to try that again?

[LicketyQuickety]

I couldn't care less. Bins is town and your case here is bad

OK, I'll try something different.

Why is bins Town?

Because I said so basically

I tend to find town a lot faster than mafia, and I'm always more confident in my townreads than my scumreads


Also I don't really care about Riddle that much right now.... I think even Zach got tired of that one

I'm not likely to just take your word for it. You could be Scum after all.

I tend to read Town faster than Mafia as well, so we have something in common. But unless you can substantiate your read with evidence, it is basically just empty speech. You can understand that perspective can't you?

Why are you going back to Riddle? What do you mean "even Zach"?

I have liked a single play you have made this game. That's why I think you are scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

But unless you can substantiate your read with evidence, it is basically just empty speech. You can understand that perspective can't you?

Doesn't matter since I'm not going to let Bins get lynched (until day 2 after I've been night killed)

And there's no reason for me to explain that right now further than I have.

There are a couple problems with this.
1) You do not control how everyone votes.
2) You are sorta soft claiming that you think bins is going to get lynched day 2. Why do you think this? I can only assume that you and them are teamed as Scum buddies. Reason I think this is because it is an admission of guilt on your part that bins deserves to get lynched.
3) You are far from being N1's NK. This makes it look like you are trying to sneak a really bad Town slip in there. Why should you be NKed over the IC? You don't have to answer that.
4) There are always reasons for explaining your reasons. Just think of how poorly the game would go if no one explained any of their reads. Follow this trail of logic and there is no reason for discussion at all. All players would be doing is voting without giving any reasoning. Kinda like what bins is doing.

Why are you going back to Riddle? What do you mean "even Zach"?

I was talking to Ranger, hope that helps

It wasn't obvious. this is why explaining yourself is a good idea. I will go back and reread that interaction.

I have liked a single play you have made this game. That's why I think you are scum.

You poofed in a scumread on me after I've been pushing you?

Coincidentally Bins has also been scumreading you

I have had a scum read on you for a while actually. You can disagree with my reasoning for the Scum read I have on you by going through my ISO and quoting all the times I said I liked your play.

I think bins said they have me as more neutral now.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: LQ

because if moonlogic is normal for scum LQ, all my doubt is gone

This is so baseless its not even funny. I have not once use moon logic as Scum. I don't even fully get what moon logic is.

[LicketyQuickety]

If I have to spell it out again

MY NORMAL BEHAVIOUR IS ACTING WEIRD
I DIDNT MEAN I WAS ACTING NORMAL
I MEANT I WAS ACTING NORMAL FOR ME

GET IT? GOOD

now can we see that both Smith (mostly misunderstandings so less incriminating I think) and LQ (forced logic) are spewing nothing
ty

Did I strike a nerve?

[LicketyQuickety]

1) You do not control how everyone votes.
2) You are sorta soft claiming that you think bins is going to get lynched day 2. Why do you think this? I can only assume that you and them are teamed as Scum buddies. Reason I think this is because it is an admission of guilt on your part that bins deserves to get lynched.
3) You are far from being N1's NK. This makes it look like you are trying to sneak a really bad Town slip in there. Why should you be NKed over the IC? You don't have to answer that.
4) There are always reasons for explaining your reasons. Just think of how poorly the game would go if no one explained any of their reads. Follow this trail of logic and there is no reason for discussion at all. All players would be doing is voting without giving any reasoning. Kinda like what bins is doing.

1) You'd be surprised
2) No I'm not.
3) Because I'm scumhunting and the Ic is voting empty slots and 3-posters. Also, obvious doctor choice
4) OK. I agree that it can be beneficial to explain ones reasons. I'm not going to explain mine. (And Bins has done nothing of the sort)

I think bins said they have me as more neutral now.

Good job. But why do you care what Bins thinks?

1) You'd be naive the think that.
2) Your not? What are you insinuating them?
3) There is not even a guarantee there is even a doctor in the game.
4) Why do you get special privileges thereby not having to give reasons? Bins hasn't given a single viable reason for Scum reading me.

You are the one that brought up bins in this context. I was answering that. Are you on drugs or something?

[LicketyQuickety]

And if you're going to insist Lickety then I'm going to insist you give something more than 'gut feeling.'

Okay. I have an N0 guilty on LicketyQuickety. There ya go. More than gut.

OK I feel stupid for having to state this (and more stupid for you saying it), but there is no N0 in C9++. And I just can't take this seriously because most the time N0 give a VT result and Cop wouldn't out themselves Day 1 and there is not even a guaranteed Cop in the game. The only scenario I can see a reason for a cop to come out day 1 is because they were a 1-shot. But again, I have never seen a game where a 1-shot Cop gets an investigative result N0. I can honestly say this is one of the more bizarre claims I have seen (barring some of the ones I have made tho).

1. LQ, there are these things called 'jokes.' It's hard to explain, but people say things they don't really mean and it makes other people laugh and be happy, and it's not the same as lying. You'll understand better when you're older.

Don't patronize me you little worm.

2. You think Ranger is serious and yet your problem with her post is not that a cop wouldn't have found you guilty. I mean I guess your point such as it is is already made when you say the 'claim' couldn't be true, but then you keep saying in detail that, like, the cop is more likely to investigate an inno N0, and all these other details, but never say "and if she did investigate me she'd see I was town." Why not?

Why would I argue a he said she said? I gave me reasoning on this, Ranger is either pulling a funky ass gambit or they are scum. Simple as that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Rangers claim is so obviously fake I didn't feel the need to counter it with the obvious "your claim is fake." I had a very similar gambit pulled on me in my very first game with the same setup. I know the obvious arguments that would take place. I decided to forgo the obvious arguments for that reason.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ... like, you tell me not to patronize you but you're still talking about Ranger's claim as if she actually made one.

If you honestly think Ranger is fakeclaiming why aren't you voting her? What's scummier than fakeclaiming?

I keep talking about Rangers claim because it keep coming up.

I am not voting her because IDK what she is doing yet.

[LicketyQuickety]

IDK if I like smith sheeping my reasons because it complicates things.

Hmm..

I don't like the sheep because people never sheep me.

@Smith, do you have any of your own reasons for Scumreading bins?

[LicketyQuickety]

Tldr I am stubbornly standing by what I said

Ew.

[LicketyQuickety]

Do you ever feel like you're being really town and obvious town but people I finding weird shit about what's 'wrong' with what you post

That's why I'm pissy

But I already said I thought you were towm

VOTE: LicketyQuick

Do you not see at all how bins is contriving how people see her slot?

[LicketyQuickety]

Dunnstral, why are you voting me? I haven't even finished reading the thread, and I'm

town-aligned.

Pedit: I cannot answer that question because I am

town-aligned.

Here we go

LMFAOO

Dunnstral, why are you voting me? I haven't even finished reading the thread, and I'm town-aligned.

Pedit: I cannot answer that question because I am town-aligned.

Hey friend I'm sure you've been scum before in at least one game. I'm sure a part of it has integrated into your aura.

Your rigidness on answering that question makes the likelyhood of Kappyslot being scum go up at least 34%

I don't like what the new guy is doing either, but leave the number to people that actually know how to use them.

[LicketyQuickety]

I can use numbers however the fuck I want. And he's one of the few people calling you town so I'd like him if I were you LMAO

I say it for your benefit. If this was a real game, someone who does use numbers would tear you to shreds for throwing out numbers like that.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Dunnstral

I think you and Bins are scum-aligned together, I don't trust your defense.

Ew. Preflip. bad, very bad.

Tldr I am stubbornly standing by what I said

Ew.

Maybe this isn't why LQ said "ew", but this is exactly what Bins did before that Smithereens picked up on. It's really susupicious and shows that Bins is more interested in coming up with convincing town-alligned narratives for her behavior as opposed to just... behaving.

I know meta is gross, but if you meta me you can see that this is to a T my town game.

Ewwwwww.

[LicketyQuickety]

Oh, I mentally answered that.

Not directly. But, yeah. From Kappy, no, cause... yeah. But from LQ and Dunn and Smith and U, etc. Yeah. I have pretty good feelings about Dunn (w/ paranoia), bad (but actually really uncertain) negative feelings about LQ. Smith and U... I think U is town and Smith weirds me out but if he genuinely thought he had voted me I feel less bad.

You should know, I'm willing to reevaluate you, but when you give no reasons for why you Scum read me it gives me this very icky feeling because I know I haven't played super well and I'm sure I have made some mistakes.

P-Edit X2, you ninj'd me bins. I'm not confirmation biasing you. You are giving me no reason to town read you.

P-Edit X2 Not that funny that your two Scum reads are going after you actually. Reason being is you haven't given any good reasons for Scum reading them.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ believe it or not you haven't given any good reasons all game so why don't you BACK OFF pal


SMH Zach is......... nvm

you have neither shown your towniness nor come up with reasons yourself and haven't really scum hunted either, so you're one to talk.

[LicketyQuickety]

you have neither shown your towniness

I think there are a few people who would DISAGREE

You misunderstand. Just because you don't have a BW doesn't mean you are being Town read. Also, you didn't bother to address my other concerns on you. I think its safe to say I will not be sheeping you at all this game.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: dave

[LicketyQuickety]

I'd wager Ira is scum.

Yeah I'd also wager that Ira is scum

Hmm... if only there was something a bunch of people with similar opinions could do. A wager, perhaps...? Or was there something else...?

this is prolly the Towniest post you have made all game, and I like that.

[LicketyQuickety]

I am somewhat on the fence on ira. What they say makes sense, but its kinda in a knowing more than they should kind of what.

[LicketyQuickety]

Just because Kappy replaced out doesn't mean he was mafia

But you used that as part of your reason for Scum reading him. Why do you even play this game?

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm finally here, but haven't fully caught up yet. Y'all are posting so much I'm not sure I'll ever get caught up. Anything on particular I should pay attention to while I read?

Why even play?

[LicketyQuickety]

Just because Kappy replaced out doesn't mean he was mafia

Why do you even play this game?

I'm finally here, but haven't fully caught up yet. Y'all are posting so much I'm not sure I'll ever get caught up. Anything on particular I should pay attention to while I read?

Why even play?

No fun allowed.

I have no problem with having fun. I have a problem with people either not even playing the games they are playing or not even trying.

[LicketyQuickety]

My bad can't quite live up to LQ's high standards of play

You'll be shocked to find out I think I am a below average player.

[LicketyQuickety]

Anything on particular I should pay attention to while I read?

Not really if you still haven't read, you can tune out Zach if you'd like

Zach is the IC, incase you are unaware.

[LicketyQuickety]

He's also the VI in case you weren't aware

@MOD,

I'm replacing out of this game.

[LicketyQuickety]

He's also the VI in case you weren't aware

@MOD,

I'm replacing out of this game.

I was talking to Zach but ok

You should not be calling anyone VI.

[LicketyQuickety]

So if anyone wants to say I am VI, now's the fucking time.

[LicketyQuickety]

The implication behind Ranger's post was painfully obvious, and our in-house psychologist here not picking up on that but being able to diagnose aspergers through text is pretty funny.

Nevermind that, the choice of words is also wonky. " Why hold it in?" would imply Ranger is at fault therefore aiding scum. It reads to me like you're trying to force something and seem overtly towny.

To be fair I've played fewer games here on MS than any other player I'd wager so I'd ideally like my questions to be taken seriously. What's obvious to you isn't obvious to everyone iow.

Ranger appears to know that LQ is scum, however I have strong reasons to suspect the opposite. At that point in the game you might have noticed that Ranger was one of my scum reads, so pointing out that my choice of words seem to imply my belief in her guilt is to be expected no?

On the LQ business, can you sum the case against him? The other players appear to assume he is scum and this includes yourself if I'm not mistaken.

You would be mistaken. I'm advocating heavy for LQ town.

Anyways I'm relatively new to this site so...I'm just bullshitting with you. Or am I.

there is no need to WIFOM as IC.

[LicketyQuickety]

there is no need to WIFOM as IC.

Stop posting you've requested replacement.

I have no reason to replace unless someone is saying I am VI. Are you saying I am VI or not?

[LicketyQuickety]

Act your age.

[LicketyQuickety]

Moar votes on dav plz.

[LicketyQuickety]

Still scumreading Ira as well. His 'reads' come out of thin air and make no sense, yet correlate highly with lynchability. He scumreads Dunn, the easiest target in the game.

This comes apart when you realize he scumreads Bins as well. It seems you're being the opportunistic one here.

this is pre-flip.. which is bad.

[LicketyQuickety]

I really like how Ümläüt is pushing the game forward.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Umlaut: I get a sense you're tunneling on dave. For instance, 92 looks just fine to me considering the stage of the game we were in, and I feel like you're over-emphasizing minutiae in 658, 659, and 662.

To the degree that I'm worried about dave (which is not a whole lot- I'd put him at a town-lean), it's because his posts contain a high degree of IIOA.

IIoA is a pretty decent Scum tell for Logical players like dave.

[LicketyQuickety]

Is anyone actually Town reading dav? if so explain why.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Umlaut: I get a sense you're tunneling on dave. For instance, 92 looks just fine to me considering the stage of the game we were in, and I feel like you're over-emphasizing minutiae in 658, 659, and 662.

To the degree that I'm worried about dave (which is not a whole lot- I'd put him at a town-lean), it's because his posts contain a high degree of IIOA.

IIoA is a pretty decent Scum tell for Logical players like dave.

Do you have experience with scum!dave?

I'm just townreading him because I agree with most of what he's said and, aside from the IIoA, he hasn't really given me reason to scumread him yet.

Agreeing with someone is not really a good indicator of alignment in my experience. Without a conclusion, its really easy for logical players to use IIoA to get Town cred.

[LicketyQuickety]

Agreeing with someone is not really a good indicator of alignment in my experience. Without a conclusion, its really easy for logical players to use IIoA to get Town cred.

I generally agree. I am going to want dave to be a bit more proactive even before we get any flips. Have you observed IIoA in specifically him prior to this game though?[/quote]

I've played a few games with dave, yes. Enough to know his playstyle well enough to know how he plays somewhat. Obviously everyone is different, but there are common threads that run through players and how they approach the game. IIoA is one of the only tells that I actually have for the kinds of players that are like dav. To me, its more a matter of his points not really hitting the mark, not necessarily IIoA for me, but I think you might be on to something with that so I am adding it to my case against him.

vote dave, be a hero.

[LicketyQuickety]

I feel like I'd have a better read on Dave later in the game and so I wouldn't want to vote him day 1.

Whereas I'm feeling good about my reads on Bins and Zach

You would normally be right about dave here, but this game is kinda lacking good solid content. I'll be the first to admit my contribution hasn't been stellar. If we don't pressure decent players this game, we are not going to get any solid read on them at all.

[LicketyQuickety]

My prefered lynches are:

bins
Transcend
a plain farmer

[LicketyQuickety]

Why Transcend?

Because I reread the thread and don't like him telling me I am a terrible Scum hunter.

[LicketyQuickety]

@LQ,
Well he's not wrong. I mean consider the reason you're voting trans for a start..

The way I scum hunt is by looking for when people give the wrong answer. That is why I ask a lot of questions that don't look like they mean anything - because

I

am the one that is able to interpret the meaning behind the answer. And I do take into account the personality of the player heavily when I do so. I am actually NOT a bad Scum hunter. The reasons I give for my reads may not be that great, but that is because I am accounting for a lot of variables that are hard for me to quantify in my reasons for the read. So when I say I am Scum reading Transcend and give the reason that it is because they said I was a bad Scum hunter, that

is

the reason, but there is a lot of unseen variables that I am accounting for to give that reason. People do not understand my reasons for my reads because they don't know what information I am taking into account to give that reason. So when I give a read for bins being Scum because they haven't added any reasons for Scum reading me, I am taking into account that this player may not even be the type of player who gives reasons as often as other types of players, but also some other things like the strength at which they had that scum read on me without backing it up with anything. That said, when they finally gave their reason for why I was Scum based on that I use Moon logic as Scum, I know that is a lie because I DON'T do that as Scum. She got that idea from Ranger, who honestly doesn't know my play

that

well. The fact that bins thought they had a legitimate reason for Scum reading me based on what Ranger said was the icing on the cake for me.

[LicketyQuickety]

"

The way I scum hunt is by looking for when people give the wrong answer

."

So I don't want to start anything that would go on for a few pages like what happened with trans, but in short I don't think this is what you have been intentionally doing. Your questions are really generic and don't seek to elicit responses that would allow you or anyone reading to find scum. I've been reading what people have been responding to you, and largely there isn't anything AI. In short, your scum hunting, if that's what you're trying to do, isn't going to get the results you're after.

Try smarter, not harder.

Thing is, all it takes is one wrong answer, and then I tunnel.

[LicketyQuickety]

Thing is, all it takes is one wrong answer, and then I tunnel on town

This is why when I host a game I don't allow quote manipulation.

[LicketyQuickety]

You're missing the point..

What? That I could be wrong? I am aware of that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Just for shits and giggles:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=64547

this is what Ranger is looking at for my Town game.

[LicketyQuickety]

Huh? Don't see you in the player list of that game.

Stairway to the Abyss. Hydra with Titus.

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE:


full iso-ing

You're crazy if you are doing a full ISO of nearly 3,000 posts for a single game.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Transcend

We need to start thinking about wagons now and this is the only one I actually kinda like.

[LicketyQuickety]

Someone who is not on the farmer lynch convince me to vote for them.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: iraonavp

I don't know if I really agree with LQ that we're under time pressure to pick a wagon just yet, but if that's the direction we're going I like Ira better than any of the others right now.

It is utterly amazing when a simple comment like the one I made actually changes things. It doesn't happen often, but when it does, things change for the better.

Halfway through the day is when I think it is idea to start thinking about the 2 or 3 major BW that we want to have and discuss further. That's why I made that comment.

[LicketyQuickety]

Bins come in here and vote plzkthx.

This.. So much this.

[LicketyQuickety]

Yeeeeehaw! Let's lock and load. Point me towards the scum, ready to vote.

First.. tell me if I am Scum or not.

[LicketyQuickety]

bins bins bins.. bins everywhere. Tell me.. How did that ISO go that you were going to don on me?

[LicketyQuickety]

Naw, don't like the ira wagon.

[LicketyQuickety]

Oh, poo why are you guys looking into word choice of Null-aligned? What if the guy is from a weird country or just weird in general?

[LicketyQuickety]

Coke is better than Pepsi.. Indeed. O.o

[LicketyQuickety]

It's rather obvious that using "-aligned" is not AI even without that tangible evidence.

If it weren't every time, and if he hadn't used it for null too, then there might be a point for NAI.
But I really gotta go get that FroYo while the place is still open...

Is this the 3rd or 4th time dav has executed opportunistic behavior?

[LicketyQuickety]

And now Dave disappears. Gee textbook scum imho.

Look asshole, I

never

lie about RL events.
I went to BTO yogurt and spent about $13.

I can confirm dav doesn't lie about rl events.

[LicketyQuickety]

Iirc you gave what appeared to be tantamount to scumfirmation of the Kappy slot here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8019934

so it's just odd that you're unsure of his aff. It certainly convinced me, but lol it appears it didn't really convince you?

Are you trying to get Dunn to hammer?

[LicketyQuickety]

I kind-of want to egg someone into hammering, just because I don't trust you all and I think some moron will unvote and then not revote, so the iraonavp wagon which is so close to going through...won't actually go through.

But I want to maintain my faith in humanity, so instead, I'll trust that not to happen, so no problem with L-1, and waiting for RC to get caught up.

Even if this lynch doesn't go through (which I don't think I feel very good about it [and I know I don't have the kind of pull that you do to turn it around]) there is sure to be a lynch with the state this game is in presently.. We have time.. to look for another lynch option if this one doesn't happen.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Ranger, Dunn or I can hammer when the time is up, so it won't be a problem.

@LQ, What alternate lynch are you suggesting?

Titus. I'll go through her ISO and look for things if I have to, but I was reading Transcend as Scum and Titus hasn't done enough to pull me away from that. Titus has been Null and I expect her to Obv town to me.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Iraonvp

Notes: Bins is scum, looking to jump on a wagon and reverse a prior held townread under short constraints.

So, either iraonvp is scum or farmer is. Famer looks town.

Iron is scum.

I can't even tell if Titus has even read the thread at this point. But they picked their target super early. Titus basically says bins is Scum but then proceeds to vote ira. Can't say that makes a whole lot of sense to me.

Bins wouldn't need to suddenly 180 a townread right as I come in unless a buddy was under extreme pressure. Common sense means a Bins buddy is wagoned. Farmer and iraonvp are the two major wagons other than me (who she is priming to vote). Farmer feels town compared to my last game with him. So that leaves itapnvp and Bins.

She says this is a slip by ira, but she already had him as a Scum read so I'm not sure I am totally on board with this observation.

hey bins:

on a scale of 1-10

1 being, DANG THIS DUDE JUST VOTED MAFIA WE SHOULD SHEEP HIM

and 10 being, HOLY FUCK THIS GUY'S VOTE WAS BLATANT SCUM. ROPE HIM

what do you rank kappy's vote on dunnstral?

yo smith how do you feel about a kappy lynch

im feelin' it

im feelin' it reaaaaaaaaal good

Ok idk what I was saying this sounds like me scum
But it's still pretty town imo
I like the sudden shift in Transcend's tone in these posts

Just quick iOS-ing again transcend wasn't as good as I had led myself believe tho
Tbh all my town points I was giving him are on fake-able posts (see above)
I get bold like that as scum
The feelin' it real good looks sort of forced now that's I'm looking at it again

I agree with you, I was thinking about this before and he was the one guy I was like "how did this guy get here?", now I looked and there are less reasons to read him as town-aligned than I thought, tone was basically the entire read.

I know people (Ranger) are going to say that I only opportunistically said this now that Titus replaced in and was slightly suspicious, but it's just coincidence.

Bins wouldn't need to suddenly 180 a townread right as I come in unless a buddy was under extreme pressure. Common sense means a Bins buddy is wagoned. Farmer and iraonvp are the two major wagons other than me (who she is priming to vote). Farmer feels town compared to my last game with him. So that leaves itapnvp and Bins.

So why aren't you voting Bins?

Do you actually think I'm scum-aligned, disregarding Bins?

Farmer and iraonvp are the two major wagons other than me (who she is priming to vote).

There is something very wrong with the idea of this, you just replaced in.

Because my conclusions make you a better vote strategically.

I don't like that Titus doesn't explain this strategy. I could possibly be that it is because Titus is Scum and is lining up lynches, but we don't know cuz Titus never gave a reason for why its strategically better to lynch ira first.

Yeah, I am transcend. There's a wagon on me.

Instead we see Titus going to the opt to say there is a wagon on her.

Now, care to redo the last few posts?

How do you not know who the counter wagons are to your own slot?

push without questioning.

@Ranger,

Haven't read

. Can roll with that for today. LQ is town.

Then this. WTF.

@Smithereens, A whole lot of nothing. That expression is common. That turned into a thing.

Bins might be distancing from Dave. Could be wifom. Need to talk with Dave to get a read on him. I don't like the post (as it implies knowledge of mls) but it's weak as it could be a townread.

@Dave,

Thoughts on the major wagons?

Then says dave

could be

distancing from bins. This suggests that Titus thinks the Scum team is bins, ira and possibly dave or APF. One thing is certain to me: either Titus is right on their reads based on how she has polarized herself against these three (bins, ira, dav) or She is Scum.. likely with Ranger.

Yup. Notice a problem with your readwall Dave?

Yeah, that's not it.

Acceptable answers were: Townreading Dunn while voting for him, Bins being a nullread and you making zero effort to sort her vote on you

At this point I'm convinced either Titus or dav is Scum.

I'm NGL I have about as much desire to stab myself with a spork as I do to vote titus.

Join me on iraonvp. *bats eyelashes*

A push for a vote here.

P sure Titus/Transcendslot is good


The way Smithereens is going at Bins makes me... I'm not sure how to respond to that. I get the feeling he always reads too much into things, or there's another motive behind it.

I 100% agree with Smithereens analysis.

I can also say I really think Smith is Town here based on Titus interaction with them.. either way, because Titus agrees so strongly with Smith on their analysis, I find it difficult to see Titus sheeping their partners reasoning here. Its hard for me to quantify exactly, but I know this makes Smith Town. Basically the idea is that because Titus sheeped Smiths reasoning it makes the argument sound since two people have a strong agreement on something. Smith's reasoning on its own holds pretty well, but because Titus got on board with it, it makes Smith out to be Town. Ofc there is an off chance that Titus is teamed with Smith as well. That's why I think we need to flip Titus.. it gives us so much info and I think there is a good chance of Titus being Scum here as well.

I don't understand what Smithereens is trying to say, it goes over my head.

You don't need to. You're getting rope.

I'm down with giving Ranger a rope scarf.

No.

IDK why, but I can kinda see Titus going after low hanging fruit here if I tilt my head just the right way.

I'm down with giving Ranger a rope scarf.

No.

Yes!

You agree 100% with Smithereens's analysis on Bins?

Yup.

And Umlaut's on iraonvp.

I don't get why this is the first time Umlaut has come up in Titus ISO. Nothing about the case they made before this.

just to reiterate: iroanavp is mafia

Just to reiterate: Your vote is not on them.

Push for a vote. Doesn't even consider Dunn as Scum.. Only interaction with them in the ISO I think. Don't get me wrong, I think this makes Dunn Town here, but Titus is only engaging with them to get them to vote for ira.

Ok, I'm derping there. My bad.

Don't know if I like Titus just saying they derped for IDK what reason.

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@LQ, That is IIoA. I do agree with people who are right to me. I am at iraonvp, Dave, Bins but Bins is the weakest. I don't read very often when I sub in. I skimmed your ISO when you asked me to determine if you were town or scum.

I say that I haven't read so that people know what I do know, what I don't know, and can point me to the important parts of the game.

Why make such a strong push on ira if you haven't even read the fucking thread?

[LicketyQuickety]

RadiantCowbells (who made this) replaces Riddleton and Titus replaces Transcend

Hey, guys!
Guess what?
For the first game in, like, forever, all three of us are town!

No, seriously!

You can doubt me if you like, but once you'll read the thread you'll see it yourself.
We're town. Dunnstral is IC-levels of conftown. Please trust me on that read. Smithereens is also IC-levels of conftown to me.
Again, some trust is required.

You should be able to read davesaz without me yelling down your throats, but I trust Bins to be town. Not to IC levels, but enough that if you tell me you scumread her, I'll ask you to table it for a future day please.

A plain farmer is scummy, but I currently think is mislynch bait.

The scum can be found in {texcat/Loopdan, Umlaut, iraonavp, LicketyQuickety}. I'd lynch any of those four in a heartbeat, so focus your attention there. I'm definitely not wrong on all of them and I actually really really REALLY feel good about being right on three of them so I'd prefer you help me rather than work against me because I am town, you two are town, seriously don't waste this opportunity with stupid paranoia and please work with me on my reads because as far as I'm concerned if you don't screw this up we've got a game-winning combo here.

Titus, what about this sickening AtE did you like exactly?

[LicketyQuickety]

Intent.

[LicketyQuickety]

idk how to say it better but ira is town and i would prefer it if we took the time to explore other options

Like who?

[LicketyQuickety]

dav or ranger preferably

Do my ISO. I've been waiting a long time for it and I want to see it before EOD. Capisce?

[LicketyQuickety]

sorry LQ but i really do struggle D1
a lot of things people see that come from scum i also see coming from town that's why D1 is always the fucking hardest

you want me to make a case for my read on you but it really is mostly bad vibes and good vibes out of certain posts
if i were to take your posts and be like "this logic is flawed" that doesn't really show that you're town or scum
or "i don't see this coming from scum" is sort of a weak argument D1

so pretty much i can't give you a case but after D1 we have associations and it gets a lot fucking easier for me

i can't just fake bs like some people convince themselves of
that's moonlogic

D1 my reads are mostly just gut
you aren't going to see me struggling to fool myself


pedit - lmfao i had this reply ready cause i know what you had to say

Fine. You were so certain I was Scum, and now you have absolutely nothing to say about me. I very disappointed. So disappointed I'm going to do this:

VOTE: bins

[LicketyQuickety]

when i ISO and they have made 0 town posts and i think you can see that

Quotes or it didn't happen.

[LicketyQuickety]

You were so certain I was Scum

you still havent done anything town

Did you catch the rest of that sentence?

[LicketyQuickety]

ok imagine i quote your entire ISO

you imagining that

GOOD

and under it i write

"and see here, a whole bunch of posts that could of come from scum and nothing town motivated."

If you do dav and Ranger, I'll do you, sound fair? (its not, I have to do more.)

[LicketyQuickety]

And no, I don't mean just quoting every singe post and giving a sentence shorter than 20 words.

[LicketyQuickety]

This is bins right now



UNVOTE: bins

Intent

once again.

[LicketyQuickety]

Sorry for not being super useful. I thought doing things like this would make me more inclined to engage but I'm just kinda not feeling anything rn in general and Mafia is particularly unenjoyable, plus low free time.

I'll pull something together on monday, I promise.

It honestly would have been better if you didn't say anything at all.

[LicketyQuickety]

I mean the way things are these days I can virtually guarantee that I will be generally scumread and no one will put anything to it besides general paranoia and playstyle so I can at least get started on explaining things.

Have you tied changing your meta?

[LicketyQuickety]

My meta worked fine for an entire year of almost never getting lynched. The problem isn't with me, it's with people who are certain that they 'know' I'm scum because of superficial similarities and being dead fucking wrong.
In other words, it's that people in general, even those with decent knowledge of my meta, can't scumhunt me effectively and are completely incapable of reading me and they let that paranoia convince them that I'm 100% scum.
In all but one case where I've had people declaring that they were beyond positive that I was scum and variations thereof, I've been town. That one case comes from someone who statistically cannot read me.

So what you are in fact asking me to do is sabotage my win condition as scum so that I can be read as town. And the sad thing is that I already do that to a degree!
There are various forms of emotional manipulation that I use as town but have never once pulled out as scum, and various things on top of that that I have only used against Postie as revenge for the game that the 3 of us were in.

TL;DR, no.

I disagree.. You are statistically going to be Town more often than Scum. Therefore, you should cater to your Town game rather than the off chance that you roll scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

You're literally telling me to play against my wincon when I roll scum because otherwise people are going to be paranoid of me because I'm

so gud

at playing scum, right?

Like for the love of fucking Annie do you not see that there's something wrong with this picture? Why should I play against my wincon to prevent other people from playing against theirs?

Who said anything about playing against your win con.

I said your town game should be a priority over your Scum game. I think you understand that, but are just being difficult so you are hard to read or some shit.

What I see is someone putting in not much effort and skating by with their meta propping themselves up to account for poor play.

Acting like a tool is not a good playstyle.

[LicketyQuickety]

But like I always had notoriety as a scumfuck. what I didn't always have were people deciding that they 100% knew that I was scum and deathtunneling me entire games in aid of that when I was town. I'm weary of it.

What about Scum hunting? That's a good trick.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, can you explain your model of the universe where Dave is scum but Ira isn't? Why would Dave want to leap onto Ira's wagon knowing it's going to flip town?

I don't generally look into connections of people pre-flip because WIFOM. I do think there is a good chance that dav is Scum and ira could be Scum as well.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't see another train happening like the ira one at this point so:

VOTE: ira

[LicketyQuickety]

Lets try this one on:

VOTE: dav[/v[

[LicketyQuickety]

Lets try this one on:

VOTE: dav[/v[

VOTE: dav

Uhg.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: dav

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE:

I want more talking.

LQ, thoughts on Ranger?

I see a lot of people who can be Scum here, which sucks cuz it is totally messing with my Town reads.I just don't have people in this game that I can rely on to be Town.

But for now:

VOTE: bins

[LicketyQuickety]

@Titus,

I don't know how to say this, but Ranger could either legit have me as Scum or is Scum themselves. I will admit it is really weird that all they have done is push for peoples lynch (mostly mine) without explaining anything. I don't like that one single bit but I can only say either Ranger thinks I am really Scum in a bad way or she is Scum. I think its worth pressuring her to get some much needed clarity. I don't think I can do this though, so you will have to convince other people to do it.

[LicketyQuickety]

Then let him talk.

Not liking LQ's vanishing act.

Definitely want my question answered.

@LQ, why can't you lend your vote and voice? Why are you trying to get me to comment on a read I don't want to talk about until RC gives his opinion?

This doesn't make sense. Its like you want me to push Ranger while you dilly dally on your read of her.

I' OK voting for bins, dave and Titus today and could go Ranger as well.

[LicketyQuickety]

RC, ranger has shown up.

LQ, where did you go?

Took a few days off to play TW3.

[LicketyQuickety]

My attitude is that I'll listen to any read NOT Smithereens.

And RC, will you listen there? This is a gaping inconsistency - not the type I expect from "one of the better scum hunters on this site." I think a vote on you is fair for this along with your baseless push on me.

VOTE: Ranger

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm not opposed to voting LQ. I think LQ was fishing on if I had a guilty or innocent on Ranger anyway...

Really? Really? Really.. I don't fish like that at all.. how could I possibly know your supposed roll? Really I am disappointed.

Well, that settles it. I'm now OK lynching Titus, bins or dave. Ranger will sort out with a Titus lynch.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also, Titus flip on me is terrible. Like she knows I don't bail as Scum (or should know that).

[LicketyQuickety]

My attitude is that I'll listen to any read NOT Smithereens.

And RC, will you listen there? This is a gaping inconsistency - not the type I expect from "one of the better scum hunters on this site." I think a vote on you is fair for this along with your baseless push on me.

VOTE: Ranger

Could you explain how this post ends with a ranger vote? It appears to be rather non sequiter as it's addressed to RC.

Ranger previously mentioned that they would not be reconsidering their read on RC. This time its you. Now I have a bone to pick with Ranger because they don't reevaluate their reads. I also have a bone to pick with her because reasons and the fact that they are so wrong on me. Honestly I don't get people thinking Rangers early day 1 reads are gods gift to mafia. I have played a measly 2 games with Ranger that were played in 2015.. If ranger is relying so heavily on their meta of me they should have 5 times that many games played with me for it to mean shit.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't see another train happening like the ira one at this point so: VOTE: ira

^This was a scum vote, by the way.
VOTE: LicketyQuickety.

Hey Ranger, who should WE lynch?

All of {Umlaut, texcat, LicketyQuickety}.

I meant it yesterday. Obviously, with four names it was near-impossible for literally all of them to be scum. So I knew I was likely wrong about one. I see nothing in the flips that makes me thing I was wrong on the others.

This is full of no.

LQ is gonna be town so you're wrong twice. AND NO ONE'S GONNA SCRUTINIZE YOU FOR IT.

There are people wanting to strangle Ranger rn as we speak. The Ira mislynch is certainly fuel for that. However don't discredit the points of someone you believe to be scum simply because you think they're scum. I think this post by Ranger carries a decent point regardless of her alignment. LQ was one of the players bashing on the Ira wagon because he appeared to know that Ira was town. Next minute, he goes and votes Ira, simply because he doesn't think he can kill anyone else. The point being that LQ was the only person town reading Ira on the wagon, he knew Ira was going to flip town. Therefore why did he kill Ira?

Re Ranger, town don't become scum because they get things wrong. It's quite normal to be wrong in mafia, that's how the game is played. You look like you're getting fustrated with Ranger when Ranger was simply one name on a wagon of people who were incorrect, and not even the more suspicious of names.

ya LQ you're taking a very laid back position on this you could just assist your handy-dandy IC! not to mention compared to your very forward stance on the ira wagon

*hugs in advance*

Buddying the IC. This kind of talk is not common for Titus.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't see another train happening like the ira one at this point so: VOTE: ira

^This was a scum vote, by the way.
VOTE: LicketyQuickety.

Hey Ranger, who should WE lynch?

All of {Umlaut, texcat, LicketyQuickety}.

I meant it yesterday. Obviously, with four names it was near-impossible for literally all of them to be scum. So I knew I was likely wrong about one. I see nothing in the flips that makes me thing I was wrong on the others.

This is full of no.

LQ is gonna be town so you're wrong twice. AND NO ONE'S GONNA SCRUTINIZE YOU FOR IT.

There are people wanting to strangle Ranger rn as we speak. The Ira mislynch is certainly fuel for that. However don't discredit the points of someone you believe to be scum simply because you think they're scum. I think this post by Ranger carries a decent point regardless of her alignment. LQ was one of the players bashing on the Ira wagon because he appeared to know that Ira was town. Next minute, he goes and votes Ira, simply because he doesn't think he can kill anyone else. The point being that LQ was the only person town reading Ira on the wagon, he knew Ira was going to flip town. Therefore why did he kill Ira?

Re Ranger, town don't become scum because they get things wrong. It's quite normal to be wrong in mafia, that's how the game is played. You look like you're getting fustrated with Ranger when Ranger was simply one name on a wagon of people who were incorrect, and not even the more suspicious of names.

ya LQ you're taking a very laid back position on this you could just assist your handy-dandy IC! not to mention compared to your very forward stance on the ira wagon

*hugs in advance*

Buddying the IC. This kind of talk is not common for Titus.

misquote sorry.

Should have looked like this:

ya LQ you're taking a very laid back position on this you could just assist your handy-dandy IC! not to mention compared to your very forward stance on the ira wagon

*hugs in advance*

*tries to pull Zach back from ledge*

My actions should make themselves clear. If you can't scumhunt, come back after LQ is due to post. If he misses it, I will just announce anyway and will really want to lynch him.

buddying the IC. This kind of talk is not common for Titus.

[LicketyQuickety]

Zach you're not dying n1 just chill

Probably the reason that Dunnstral was killed.

This is coming straight out of left field. What the hell is this analysis dav?

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't see another train happening like the ira one at this point so: VOTE: ira

^This was a scum vote, by the way.
VOTE: LicketyQuickety.

Hey Ranger, who should WE lynch?

All of {Umlaut, texcat, LicketyQuickety}.

I meant it yesterday. Obviously, with four names it was near-impossible for literally all of them to be scum. So I knew I was likely wrong about one. I see nothing in the flips that makes me thing I was wrong on the others.

We aren't fucking lynching Umlaut. What the hell is wrong with you?

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, what makes you so sure that Titus:
A) Is buddying the IC?
B) Doesn't normally buddy (the IC)?

Could you link for my convenience? Some research on the Trans slot would help my own reads.

We aren't fucking lynching Umlaut. What the hell is wrong with you?

After a forthright complaint from you about unexplained and immovable reads from other players, surely you would be more inclined to provide explanations for your own?

Why are we trying to remove players from the lynch pool? Imo it's far better if everyone remains accessible to lynch unless they have proven town utility. From what I've seen, there is absolutely nothing spectacular or interesting about Umlaut. Why are you treating him differently to everyone else?

@LQ, I was wrecking Zach's lynch choice and knew it. Of course being nice about it is getting them something. Announcing at start of day denies information. Second, I don't have to be a dick when I know I am ruining the IC's plans.

VOTE: LQ

No, you are both wrong here.. Titus doesn't use word choice that is touchy feely/AtE type sentiments. This whole "oh I feel bad for the IC, lets be friends" thing is way out of character for her.

About Umlaut. He is playing pro-Town in a way that is both normal and detailed in a way that if he was Scum I doubt he would be able to back up all his reasons the way hir has as Scum. Simply put, he is playing in a way that shares their thought process way to well for them to be Scum IMO.

[LicketyQuickety]

Texcat LQ

Let's just suggest everyone pick one unless expressly townreading them both.

Little early for that don't you think? I mean we have <10 days left.. why the rush to pick just 2?

[LicketyQuickety]

I just had a brief skim of LQ's ISO. This was before his scumslip:

By the way the more you talk about the IC the more I believe you're mafia

How is talking about the IC AI? Do you think I have been bringing it up a lot or something? I'm pretty sure that is not the primary thing I have been talking about. Explain.

BTW, you have fair points on that you are sheeping Ranger. Ranger doesn't know my alignment, but the point is seen nonetheless.

Something seems off to me when he says that Ranger doesn't know his alignment. If LQ were town, wouldn't he assume that there are quite a few people (mafia) who do know his alignment.

VOTE: LQ

I use the narrative that people are Town. You're not the first person to see that I do this. I should prolly stop doing it because its part of a reason I got lynch in that other game I was in. Its weird that people think if you use a way to talk about people assuming they are Town that it means you are Scum. *shurg* its a dumb reason to lynch someone IMO. Like I HAVE to use a narrative where I don't know what alignment people are and when I talk about people assuming they are Town or Scum everyone loses their minds.

[LicketyQuickety]

Oh yeah, and its pretty freaking ridiculous how readily people are willing to jump on the "they slipped!" wagon. Really fucking dull.

[LicketyQuickety]

You'll see on my flip just how valuable your precious "slips" are.

[LicketyQuickety]

Zach you're not dying n1 just chill

Probably the reason that Dunnstral was killed.

This is coming straight out of left field. What the hell is this analysis dav?

What does it mean when someone tells a conftown (an obvious possible kill choice) that they won't be NK'd?

IDK, you tell me. Why tell the IC they aren't getting NKed? There were objectively better choices to NK than Dunn.. You want to wrap that up as Dunn claiming PR go right ahead, but Dunn said plenty of weird shit and Scum have and IC they can attempt to kill at any time.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Ranger

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm voting Ranger because they refuse to read me as a player.

[LicketyQuickety]

So you don't give a shit about Titus' claim? LOL


How do you expect to not get lynched when you don't work off of the information given?

Ranger could still be Scum. Titus could be lying. Number of things, but Rangers Scum read on me is just stupid. I have reason to believe she is doing it just to spite me.

[LicketyQuickety]

? Town can do stupid things. Town can also do stupid things to spite people.

What motivation does Titus have for lying and clearing Ranger?

Yes there is an off chance that Ranger is still scum, but I feel like the whole situation bumps her down on the list of priorities at least for today

There is no motivation for Ranger to Scum read me like this unless they are Scum.

If Titus is Scum it gives here the perfect reason.. She claimed she was a 1-shot cop so its easy to get away with.

Ranger needs to do something besides baselessly push my lynch. Ranger knows I have a Scummy meta based on the game I played with her when I was Town and she was Scum. She started out pushing me right away knowing that there would be a good shot at me getting lynched knowing I am lynch bait. I said this before, she is not reading the player (me) but instead pushing what looks like an easy lynch.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't think Ranger is the only one scum reading you.

Yes and they are all equally piss poor reasons.

VOTE: texcat This is gut.

Lickety, Ranger's not happening today (and she does have legitimate reason to think you're scum). What's your read on texcat?

You have played a fairly analysis heavy game up to this point. Why the gut read now?

@LQ, Really, I planned since start of day to claim 1-shot cop as scum? Lmao.

Why is that out of the question? Do you take me for a fool that you couldn't plan something like that?

[LicketyQuickety]

My read on Texcat is that I just don't know - Null. Not seeing the great possibility that Texcat is Scum tbh, but then again they haven't done a whole lot for Town either.

Why are people just going along with Titus in her saying it is between Texcat and myself? What logical basis is there for this?

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm voting Ranger because they refuse to read me as a player.

I don't recall saying this.

But you are doing it nonetheless.

[LicketyQuickety]

I might be blacklisting Ranger depending on the way she flips.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: texact

Cuz I feel like texact is all whine and LQ is spewing.

Let me be clear: I would be blacklisting Ranger if they turn out to be Town and pre assigning a Scum read on me without looking at anything I do.

[LicketyQuickety]

Because if you know you're town, and you are actually behaving the way I say you are, then that behavior is ipso facto townish from your perspective, so it's kind of dumb to suspect me for calling it townish when it actually is.

Pretty sure this is a logical fallacy. Forget the name of it though.

She can only be gf, SK, or town.

And I have gone on record to say I would NEVER, EVER choose investigation immune over bulletproof as a serial killer. Because, you know...I'm

Ranger

. I tend to get nightkilled a lot...even as scum. So, not a serial killer, aside from the obvious lack of second nightkill. Also, one reason I love this setup? It is very much easily broken with simple logistics. We know there's an absolute maximum of 5-Ts, so the only possible iterations where I'd be a Godfather are {0 T, 1 T, 2 T, 5 T}. Of those, half have a serial killer. A lack of second nightkill indicates a lack of one. Leaving the only possible setups where I'd be a Godfather as {0 T, 2 T}. Time will tell with those, as will time tell with a lack of a serial killer. (Which is an assumption at this point.)

Of course, strictly speaking, objectively, there's the option I'd be scum with Titus, but in that case, lynch Titus first. Regardless, that pretty much tells you that I'm town. Titus is town. So lynch scum.

I actually like this defence.

Really? I think it looks more like IIoA.

[LicketyQuickety]

If you are town man you're gonna realize that not having a case isn't scummy and having a case doesn't clear you. Like you've made cases and had reasons but they've been shit sooooooo... what's really better here? Gut is a valid reason. Tone is a valid reason. I feel for Ranger at this point even tho she isn't clear.

UNVOTE:
Looking at Tex tomorrow

I have more reason for blacklisting Ranger than just that they won't explain their read on me. Feel free to ISO my sitewide posts and you might just get it. There are stipulations to it, if Ranger is Scum, then there's no reason to blacklist her, if she's Town, I have no inclination that she is ever going to stop Scum reading me right off the bat and making baseless pushes on me in every game we play in, so, yeah.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why do you have to be scum in our last game together?

What's this about?

[LicketyQuickety]

You have played a fairly analysis heavy game up to this point. Why the gut read now?

I suppose that's how I've looked so far, but gut has informed all of my prior reads as well even when they were also based on other things. Right now I feel like my texcat scumread is simply stronger than any of my others.

This looks like a load of crap.

Vote him

Indeed.

[LicketyQuickety]

You said they had crumbed. IF you thought they had crumbed they would be a likely nightkill target.

I would have expected you to, like, target me.

She needs to point out the crumb, obviously.

[LicketyQuickety]

I still think bins is a good flip. They have promised things and not delivered. That's a huge red flag to me.

VOTE: bins

[LicketyQuickety]

Did you fall back on the whole Ranger situation, or...

Also I can't save you if you're voting Bins.

I don't see a ranger wagon happening unfortunately - even though their reasons are shit and all they have done is push Town all game. I think I am going to try and reread the thread. Don't want to, but I feel I just don't have enough info right now. I'm a very in the moment player and most of my reads come from engaging with people. I don't have quite the sharpest memory so remembering what happened earlier with the thread being inactive isn't helping.

[LicketyQuickety]

There is a setup possibility where a scum Titus knows there isn't a cop, or at least strongly suspects there isn't one. In that case I could see her faking an inno for the town cred. However this possibility is more than balanced by my previous experiences with Titus. This game matches her PR meta, in fact she played the claim very similar to the way she played it in the last C9++ game we were both in. As a one-shot, once the ability is used there is no reason not to reveal it, and she tried to lay a trap with it and using a trap matches the last game exactly (she was a doc in the other game and used a different kind of trap). If it is a fake it won't last to LYLO because in that case the possible setups with a 1-shot will hopefully have been eliminated by that point.

There were multiple people suspicious of Ranger. The main question is not so much why choose Ranger, but why use the ability on N1 when it's likely that the target could be NK'd and the shot could be saved for another more scummy target. The answer to that is multifold -- she replaced into a scummy slot so there was real danger of falling into a lynch before the ability could be used, and Ranger is a player who you want to catch with a guilty early. Are there other targets? Sure, but that kind of second guessing can wait until postgame.

All in all it looks like a true claim. But neither is conftown.

Overall, I agree with your assessment of Titus. That said, a few things really bugged me about this post. First being that why would you investigate someone to try and get a guilty? Secondly, its best to wait quite a while in the day until you come out with your claim. No sense in ruining info gathered because you come out with your claim 1/5th of the way through the day. This last thing is something I don't know about Titus in how they claim PR, but I can only assume that what you say about Titus coming out as PR early that day because its easily verifiable. I will say just because she did this as Town doesn't mean she wouldn't do it as Scum, however.

Aside from that, I have half a mind to think you are saying this for Town cred for late game.

[LicketyQuickety]

I would be blacklisting Ranger if they turn out to be Town and pre assigning a Scum read on me without looking at anything I do.

Assuming this is your prerogative, and you have that right.

It would be very wrong though.

I am reading you as scum because I think you are scum. Your RVS suggested scum. Your reactions to my reads suggested scum. Everything you have done since then has suggested scum. So yes, I am assuming you are scum.

I think it looks more like IIoA.

I wouldn't quite call it 'instead of analysis', so much as it is 'just information'. But yes. There was no intended "defense" in there. Just simple statements of basic facts.

How the fuck did my RVS suggest scum (I really do expect an answer here)?!?! My reactions to your reads have Town motive behind them because you didn't explain shit! This is where I ask you to read me as a player instead of using what are normally Town/Scum tells, because I do not play like everyone else. Read my fucking siggy. I do a lot of weird shit as Town. I mean shit, my recent Scum game I played was more Townie than most of my Town games.

Anyways, I have since considered reevaluating your slot, but your read on me is garbage.

[LicketyQuickety]

Gunna clear some things up about the Scum read on me on this page.

I'm a very in the moment player and most of my reads come from engaging with people.

HOW CAN YOU JUST
WHEN THIS

IS
FUCK
MAN

I honestly have no clue what you are trying to say here.

How can you be like "oh you need a case" — man all my fucking reads come from engaging with people. And now you say this. How can you not understand where I'm coming from then?!
If I start putting in effort, making elaborate readlists, doing crazy VCA, I'm probably scum looking for ways to find reasoning.

Because convincing people that you read is correct is also very important. I don't like when people don't explain their reads, Scum reads especially, because its so easy for Scum to play like that and then people never know the difference. The idea is to make it harder for Scum to come up with BS rational to prove their case that X player is Scum.

I think gut is stronger than actually evidence sometimes. Gut is a stronger reason sometimes than quoting posts and being like "this is wrong and scummy because this sort of thing blah blah comes from scum." No fuck that scum fake things. Scum can't fuck with how they make my gut feel.

My problem with LQ is that he's being so ignorant I can't even possibly see how scum would pull this shit but then he does this and I'm just speechless again.

IMO you have this completely backwards. Scum can claim something is a "gut read" any day of the week and then where does that leave us? That's why reasons need to be given - so Scum can't just freeroll with "gut reads". And I get what your saying, I do - that gut reads are a thing. But the thing is, if you can't substantiate you read with anything it means nothing.

Yeah I definitely agree

One of the scum wouldn't be so fucking stupid and draw attention to themself LIKE THAT

but Ranger said that was an LQ thing that LQ does so maybe I'll actually meta

Please, last time I checked Ranger was not confirmed Town, so what Ranger says isn't the golden law.. far from it.

I still think bins is a good flip. They have promised things and not delivered. That's a huge red flag to me.

VOTE: bins

Can you explain what these were?

You said you develop your reads based on the moment and now you're scum reading a player for things that apparently happened so long ago I don't even remember them.

If I recall, bins said they would ISO me. I asked about this several times and we have yet to see much at all of this case on me from bins. That was the promise given that has still not yet been fulfilled.

I haven't found the LQ-scum case very convincing up to now but I think the points on this page are actually pretty good.

I checked back and LQ is moving his vote from Ranger. On the one hand, good move since Ranger is town. On the other hand he doesn't seem to actually be convinced of this, and if he's moving his vote for the sake of getting on a wagon then last I checked there isn't really a wagon on Bins either. So it's kind of a strange choice by any measure.

Mod, VC please?

I'm trying to get my head back in the game after that downtime (and not being especially active right before that) and I think knowing where the wagons stand would help.

Let me clear the air on this, prolly to my detriment. I do not highly consider BW's when I am Town, at least at this time in the day and not this particular game. That's a reason that I have my fair share of hammers. Because a lot of the time my vote is floating on another Scum read and I have to hammer for a lynch. I typically pay way more attention to BW's as Scum. So I voted bins without have any idea if there were even any votes on bins.

And no, I'm not convinced that Ranger isn't Scum yet. I am, however, much more open to the idea that Ranger is Town though. Don't know how I feel about you applying this kind of logic to me in how I vote honestly. This implies I always keep my vote on someone unless I have a reason to move it. So while that might be true some of the time, it is not true all the time. Sometimes i simply vote someone because I think they are Scum on a whim.

Take a look at These two posts I made on another site.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/5 ... age=20#396
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/5 ... age=21#405

you will see that I was Scum reading someone based on gut, but i didn't leave it at that. I followed that up with a case on this individual. That is the difference between just a read on gut and making a case out of a read on gut.

[LicketyQuickety]

First being that why would you investigate someone to try and get a guilty?

Uh, because innocents cannot be 100% trusted, but a guilty in this setup is absolutely infallible?

How the fuck did my RVS suggest scum (I really do expect an answer here)?!?!

Well, tough. I don't see the need to answer at this time.

I do, however, see this as more productive for now:
VOTE: texcat.

You're seriously trying to tell me that cop intentionally try not to investigate GF or SK? That makes NO sense. How exactly is one to determine who is GF or SK without a check and flips?

What do you think of Titus investigation you N1?

[LicketyQuickety]

How exactly is one to determine who is GF or SK without a check and flips?

The normal way.
Because what differentiates an innocent on a GF/IISK from an innocent on town?
Play, of course.

So if play determines the difference between a GF/IISK and town...why do you need an investigation innocent in the first place?
You don't.

This is simple theory. Aim for a guilty.

You are assuming to know how people are going to play with certain roles. This may come as a shock to you, but people are not that predictable. Sometimes people don't play the "right" way. Sorry to have to break it to you, but people do not always behave rationally.

What do you think of Titus investigation you N1?

It's the only choice she would make. Now, she could fakeclaim it as scum, nothing stopping her from doing that, but one it's unlikely by the odds (as previously discussed) and two I'm townreading the slot by play anyway.

Forgive me if I don't just take your word on it. You're dead wrong on your read of me so its just natural for me to doubt your other reads as well.

What's worse is that if you are Town, you are prolly hinging a lot on your read on me, which is actually quite scary IMO.

[LicketyQuickety]

you are prolly hinging a lot on your read on me

Actually, no, not this game.

My scumreads and townreads are completely separate of one another.

I don't at all like that you are cherry picking what you respond to while we converse. It looks extremely avoidant.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'd feel fine about an RC or dav lynch. Can we go that way?

[LicketyQuickety]

Holy fucking swordfish Batman there is scum on texcat wagon

!!!

If you weren't an IC I'd want to vote you for this logic. First thing, not everyone on the texcat wagon thinks LQ is scum.

My reason is specifically because texcat's case on LQ seems forced.

I'm town, if you think texcat is town and we have an unconfirmed inno on Ranger, then who is the scum there? Second thing, if you really think a plain farmer is scum, why not try to get him lynched today? I'd be willing to go there if it seemed a lynch was possible.

Try to convince people with evidence.

This is total bull crap. First when I present evidence against LQ, you vote me for it. Then you ask Zach for evidence. ???
And BTW none of that case was new, I have said it all before. Why did it suddenly look vote worthy? This is such crap.

Keyword is mostly, you'll notice I said mostly all of you.

Farmer has barely interacted today and is on texcat just because texcat is stronger in his gut. I can't pull out shit from thin air to case him with.

That is a case -- absence of town can be the best scum case. Most of what I remember about your posting has been just "lynch x, don't lynch y", but if you gave this type of info before it's possible I just missed it. (I was already skimming over the 4th weekend, and then the downtime...)

This does not look like something town!Davesaz would say.

I'm saying it sort of like that but I didn't miss what you said. I've seen nothing from you or RC that tells me more town than scum and you guys being on texcat is icing on the cake.

1105 is the only thing anyone should need to be able to town read me.
Let me reinforce that some more. I want a L-1 in the next 3 days. I'd prefer it to be on someone in my probable scum list, but that isn't a requirement.

And this is exactly how Ira got lynched! Again, not something I would expect from town!Davesaz.

*channels iraonvp's ghost*

He says LQ is town-aligned

HE SAID THAT ON DAY 1 WHEN HE WASN'T IN GHOST FORM AS WELL

Ira didn't have any secret info on LQ. Just cause he thought LQ was town, does not make him town. This makes no sense.

UNVOTE: LQ
VOTE: Davesaz
This last series of posts from Davesaz was scummy, scummy, scummy.

VOTE: texcat

[LicketyQuickety]

VC 2.03

Ranger (0)-

LicketyQuickety (0)-

Smithereens (1)-

Zachstralkita

a plain farmer (0)-

Ümläüt (0)-

Bins (1)-

Smithereens

Radiant Cowbells (1)-

Titus

Zachstralkita (0)-

Titus (0)-

davesaz (2)-

Ümläüt, texcat

texcat (5)-

Radiant Cowbells, a plain farmer, Ranger, davesaz, LicketyQuickety

(L-1)

Not Voting (1)-

Bins

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-07-16 02:00:00) - Jul 16th 02:00 GMT

Mod Notes

Deadline is extended

Oh, ick, that wagon is horrendous.

UNVOTE:

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, do you not like a Smith lynch?

ironic

please answer

No, I don't like a Smith lynch. I don't think Smith is faking reads at all.. their cases look way too sound to be Scum BS IMO.

[LicketyQuickety]

If I get lynched I want a retaliation lynch on RC because of how he wants my lynch to supposedly 'test' his reads. Scum are looking for a free lynch on a town without retributive scrutiny, that should be obvious to everyone. Inb4 a random self hammer, I want RC to die with me, I'm liking him for a rather intelligent scum.

You should know this and if you don't I feel bad for you, but that is not how lynches work. You are in no danger of getting lynch as it is - no idea where this paranoia is coming from. Even if you do get lynched and flip Town there is very far from a guarantee that RC gets flipped next because you want a retaliation lynch.

In short, this comment I feel is coming out of left field and I have no idea why you even made it.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, why are you jumping around with your vote so much?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[LicketyQuickety]

If you lynch yourself and the NK hits that is two town down (hypothetically) for one scum the next day.

Why do you not push for said scum lynch today and avoid being detrimental?


" bins is scum "


it seems I can't stop this meteor of doom

A suicide bomber is a pro town role for this same reason. A 1v1 trade off is always worthwhile.

No, not always.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm not getting lynched just because you flip town or scum, lmfao.

You've been making posts like this all game. Its like you are doing it out of fear. Fear.. I smell it on you.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm not getting lynched just because you flip town or scum, lmfao.

You've been making posts like this all game. Its like you are doing it out of fear. Fear.. I smell it on you.

You should vote bins then.

If you can read emotions through seemingly innocuous text, what emotions do you read from posts like this? http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8092501

Frustration.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ is just one of those players thays convinced himself his Spidey senses are strong.

Which is funny because apparently WHEN I HAVE GUT REACTIONS it's baseless.

Or he's scum!

Pedit - this game is black and white. You're either scum or not. What are you going on about some sort of spectrum of suggestions. Of course I'm going to say I'm town. Nah, I'm only 80% town. Sorry!

So I am Town or Scum.

A+

[LicketyQuickety]

We had L-1 on texcat. What did you learn from that?

LQ voting to make the L-1 and then immediately unvoting was creepy but typical for LQ.
We did not get out of it what town needs to get from a L-1, which is either intent from someone, time spent at L-1 to see if scum will hammer it, or a claim.

This looks a lot like a scum claim. It looks like you know that I am going to flip town. Why else would scum hammer me? And why do you want to force claims from town? So you'll know who to NK???

IDK if you are Town or not, but that is NOT a Scum tell.

I am Scum reading dav currently, however.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why are you scumreading me?

PoE, you haven't done anything town.

You haven't really done anything bad either, though. I don't want to lynch you today. You are just bottom of the pile for now because I don't have a concrete read on you and by D2 that freaks me.

Zach, why don't you want to lynch this?

[LicketyQuickety]

BECAUSE I'M CHANNELING OBVTOWN SO HARD LQ
SO HARD

Channeling? WTF does that mean?

[LicketyQuickety]

Gawd, we need a lynch and I don't like the BW's we have currently. :/

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: dav

[LicketyQuickety]

Alright this is what I'm looking at right now

1st Tier Lynchpool:

a plain farmer

/

Bins

2nd Tier Lynchpool:

Ranger

/

LicketyQuickety

Townpool:

Zachstralkita

/

RadiantCowbells

/

davesaz

Obviously Ranger moves up if we're confirmed to not have a godfather.

Ranger is lock town.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: bins

[LicketyQuickety]

Ranger is lock town.

???

Titus checked Ranger N1. Oh wait, I see. Ranger could be GF, BUT I think Ranger was looking at Ulmaaldiefjalk pretty closely and wanted them dead. Ranger also said they don't like to bus.

[LicketyQuickety]

does my claim seriously mean nothing to you LQ

wtf is up with this game

I didn't see your claim, what is it?