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Wisdom · Post Post #2900 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:02 am

In post 2899, Young and Witless wrote:the meta case. Maria is admittedly a very dynamic player and I've never seen Kuroi's scumgame personally. But I've seen MoI on both sides and this is his scumgame.

how many games have you played with him?

Wisdom · Post Post #2901 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:04 am

In post 2899, Young and Witless wrote:your play is different, but I don't think your tone is that different.

hint: her tone is dependent on her character, which is the same regardless of her alignment
you can't just look at a game and argue the tone is similar and that that means she is scum without knowing maria, that's ridiculous

MariaR · Post Post #2902 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:05 am

In post 2900, Wisdom wrote:
In post 2899, Young and Witless wrote:the meta case. Maria is admittedly a very dynamic player and I've never seen Kuroi's scumgame personally. But I've seen MoI on both sides and this is his scumgame.
how many games have you played with him?

He was the backup mod in a game hosted that I was scum in

MariaR · Post Post #2903 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:07 am

I think I have a more carefree tone the more friends I have but as I have barely any in this game I get srs

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2904 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:12 am

VOTE: xkyfu

Wisdom · Post Post #2905 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:44 am

good boy. Here's your reward.

Spoiler: D1

Wisdom · Post Post #2906 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:05 am

Spoiler: D2

Spoiler: D3

That last VC was still wrong, I fixed it

Have fun

farside22 · Post Post #2907 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:28 am

So whomever does vCa want to say whom they see as voting max wagon since wis isn't pushing a single player that was part of that lynch.
And if you claim it's not revelant I'll just remind you that Pere was getting pressured towards the end of that day.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #2908 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:13 pm

basic is probz scum skimming the VCA

Wisdom · Post Post #2909 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:37 pm

While coloring I remembered hebi's bullshit push on Kuroi and how Peregrine also tried to push Kuroi off it and changed my mind about Kuroi again

farside22 · Post Post #2910 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:04 pm

In post 343, hebichan wrote:town- magna, bunch of letters starting with X
null- PV, cakez, other head, IPS
scum- Pirate Mollie, beeboy, Kuroi,

currently where my head is at.

In post 675, hebichan wrote:I admit that Wisdom is acting a bit strange, but if he things he has a solid read on YAW, isn't best he push it? A good deal of mafia is politics after all.

I don't know how he plays though, so I can't really say for certain.

In post 733, hebichan wrote:
In post 698, Maxous wrote:
In post 696, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
@Max
– please remind me of your Cakez read please.
i don't think i gave one previously?

I'm very unsure about SC.
I would lean the scum side of null simply based on how long he has sat on the farside wagon for no reason.

I think as far as purposefully vague to position oneself though, this one is a good candidate for such a prospect.

PirateMollie just also had a nice ATE with the "of but I'm trying to be nice" deal.

Current Scum Reads

YAW
Maxous
PirateMollie

Town
Wisdom
Farside
PV
XKfyu
Catdog
BBT

Townlead
kuroi
sircakez
ankamius

scumlean
otherhead

null
basic

In post 253, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 244, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 243, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 242, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 238, Maxous wrote:YAW probably would of put more effort into the defense if they were buddies with SC.
I don't know. I tend to think the exact opposite.

I could see him slightly defending his buddy to test the waters or what not, but if he doesn't gain any traction on his defense, I'd expect him to back off.

So not really a sheep vote, huh?
If I agree with someone's reasoning, and vote with them because of it, is that not sheeping?
Not in my book. Sheeping usually involves some sort of trust in the other other player, however temporary. Agreeing with someone's reasoning is just that.
In post 245, Xkfyu wrote:Alright, so I've mostly skimmed to catch up.

I saw the cases against Cakez, YAW, and something about Mollie being scum (but I forgot what it was now), is there anything important that I missed?
Thoughts on OtherHeadIsScum use of Appeal to Emotion.

In post 259, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 258, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 257, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 255, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 253, PeregrineV wrote:Thoughts on OtherHeadIsScum use of Appeal to Emotion.
Where? I don't remember any AtE. I just remember FB making his usual D1 troll posts.

In post 239, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 132, Maxous wrote:
In post 129, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 128, hebichan wrote:Okay, you ATE as town then. I guess that is more factually accurate. Regardless, I have personally mislynched you because of your ATEing.
When I feel like it's tactical, it's scummy.
When I feel like it's sincere, it can make people a townread.

However, it almost always feels tactical- like now
.
can you give me an example?
i'm a bit confused by this

-

regarding SC, I get why people are voting him but i'm not overly convinced. we'll see.
54 and 55
I'd call that pretty null for FB.

In order for it to have been tactical, like you said, there would need to be something to gain from it, and I'm not seeing how that's the case in those two posts.
And that's a secondary issue I don't know how to parse. For all of that, he takes it back to the realm of 60

In post 414, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 413, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 411, PeregrineV wrote:`Who or what is UTL?
UpTooLate

Half of the CatDog hydra.

I don't feel the urge to try and resolve all my nulls this early in the game, but might make an exception here.

In post 478, PeregrineV wrote:Iso of CatDog puts them squarely at null- they have "reads" by not reasons behind them. There is one post that might be pointing something out, but I can't parse it.

Iso of Young and Witless looks like they are scumhunting. They are a slight townlean.

I haven't looked at Cake yet, but CatDog's case on Young looks to be that Young thinks Cake is town and CatDog finds that scummy...?

Vote: CatDog

In post 699, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 585, farside22 wrote:Peregrine what are your current reads and why?
Townlean
14. TiphaineDeath (strongest)- I like thier posting
3. Ankamius beeboy- feels town (ank posts)
12. Young and Witless(Creature/Something_Smart hydra)- trying to figure people out

Null
1. BlueBloodedToffee- I have nothing on. They seem to be tunneling, but meh,
2. SirCakez- nope
4. KuroiXHF- made some readble posts, but not memeorable
6. farside22 Iprobablysuck- just got here. wow me
7. hebichan- about the same as most
8. Maverick1102- posted something I didnt love or hate
9. DrippingGoofball- Hasnt posted enough
13. MagnaofIllusion- Hasnt posted enough
16. Xkfyu- posted something I didnt love or hate
17. Wisdom- Hasnt posted enough
18. Maxous-posted something I didnt love or hate

scumlean
5. pirate mollie- Acted liek there was something there, but then hasn't since, slight
10. My Other Head Is Scum(Firebringer/Vedith hydra)*- early ATE, but slight at best

In post 1993, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 1991, Ankamius wrote:While you're here, can you give me a list of where your head is regarding your reads, PV?
Sure

(+)
3. Ankamius beeboy- no change from before
6. farside22 Iprobablysuck- Like posting, but haven't tried to deconstruct yet
14. Basic TiphaineDeath- Maybe bias, but feels like basic is has sharethink with me
12. Young and Witless(Creature/Something_Smart hydra)-Hebi counterwagon +
13. MagnaofIllusion- disagree but + on the logic presentation

(0)
1. BlueBloodedToffee
2. SirCakez
16. Xkfyu
17. Wisdom
18. Maxous

(-)
4. KuroiXHF- It's complicated
5. pirate mollie- DNME
8. MariaR Maverick1102-
9. DrippingGoofball*- DNME
10. My Other Head Is Scum(Firebringer/Vedith hydra)**- Nothing to improve my opinion from yesterday
15. CatDog(UpTooLate/hiplop hydra)*- Nothing to improve my opinion from yesterday

Just posting this for a future reference.

Wisdom · Post Post #2911 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:20 pm

Eh. I could lynch Basic on a reread. I dont really think hes scum with Xk though

Basic · Post Post #2912 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:00 pm

In post 2908, Dwlee99 wrote:basic is probz scum skimming the VCA

Hebichan was obvious scum.

Sheeped magna day2 Maxous lynch. Putting Maxous l-1 to pressure for a claim. Ank pulled me on it and before ank could reply or Maxous could claim, DGB hammered.

Day3. In light of day2 i decided not to sheep and vote xkfyu.

This is why vca in my opinion is only as good as the logic that goes with it.

I'm still for xkfyu lynch. But I wanna reread things and think. Can't do that right now.

Wisdom · Post Post #2913 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:03 pm

Ew why are you defending

farside22 · Post Post #2914 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:16 pm

Questions for moi:
Were you scum read sir when you pushed for his claim? If so why?
Why do you have dgb listed as would lynch if you don't have bbt as would lynch? Do you believe his claim, if not why is he not listed as scum?
If wis is scum whom is his scum buddy and why?

ISO · Post Post #2915 (ISO) » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:23 pm

I am very tired, will catch up tomorrow morning

farside22 · Post Post #2916 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:12 am

Just a few notes for those skimming.
My points on moi are meta related. I pointed out difference from his town and scum game.
Read list change. He has bbt not on the list, he's called me town all game and suddenly puts me on the list. Moi doesn't just change reads because someone scum reads him.
He also isn't a tunnel type. In princess bride he attacked dbg relentlessly. Usually he thinks things through and analyzing points against player. See his link for details.
He pushed for a claim from cakes, not once thinking about the 1 for 1 aspect, which he is smart enough for that.

Wisdom · Post Post #2917 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:38 am

Ive only played one game with him so I'm no expert on his meta, but he did tunnel on a townie as town there, much as he did with Maxous here.

You're telling me that if I look at all the games you've played with town-Magna I won't find him tunneling on a player?

farside22 · Post Post #2918 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:35 am

In post 2917, Wisdom wrote:Ive only played one game with him so I'm no expert on his meta, but he did tunnel on a townie as town there, much as he did with Maxous here.

You're telling me that if I look at all the games you've played with town-Magna I won't find him tunneling on a player?

You were scum that game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

He also seemed to let it go from time to during that game.
Not pound it till it was lynched, like princess bride or this game.

Wisdom · Post Post #2919 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:01 am

no he didnt, he pushed Heat and didnt rethink it for one second - if anything he then pushed people for refusing to push Heat with him

Wisdom · Post Post #2920 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:01 am

he only let it go when he targeted him with his 3rd party cop and got inno

You also didnt answer my question

Young and Witless · Post Post #2921 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:21 am

The thing about MoI is not just that he's tunneling (although I have only ever seen that as scum). It's that he doesn't seem like he really believes his arguments, which was exactly the impression I got from his lackluster DGB push in Princess Bride that only went through because DGB completely lost it. Now rereading his Maxous push, he actually seemed to really believe it (or maybe really want it, because Maxous for all his pushing on us would have been an easy mislynch)... but I don't think the same can be said about his recent posting.

And @Wisdom I've played two games with him (one as his scumbuddy, another where we were both town and he replaced out) and modded one game (where he was a strong driving force for the town).
-smart

Wisdom · Post Post #2922 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:26 am

you cant meta off two games, man. People have different playstyles even as the same alignment. You need to know how someone thinks in order to meta them and that requires a lot of games.

What arguments do you think he's not believing?

Young and Witless · Post Post #2923 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:31 am

his pushes on you and Maria and his refutations of farside.

and anyway, I have successfully meta'd people off of two or three (and this is three) games in the past, but meta only strengthens the argument that he's scum because he doesn't believe what he's saying.
-smart

Wisdom · Post Post #2924 (ISO) » Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:41 am

What makes you think he doesn't believe his arguments?